MGS4 sales plummet

[QUOTE="hayato_"][QUOTE="Jamex1987"][QUOTE="hayato_"]

Because this game came out like a couple of months ago. The horror.

Jamex1987

The game was released in June and these are the numbers for July. In June it registered 700,000 with NPD. That is a really low number for such a hyped game then it disappeared off the charts in July.

not really. There are other things youo have to fatro in to that, with the userbase and the type of season it came out in. A game coming out during the summer wouldn't do as well as it would have if it actaully released during the hoilday season.

Hasn;t it sold over 2 mil anyway?? Thats rather quite impressive if you ask me.

Halo came out in September and remained in the top 10 for months. MGS only managed to be in the top 10 for one month. Not a very popular game.

Halo is more popular than MGS, but MGS still manage to still quite a bit of hardware and units. (Especailly for a type of game like MGS which isn;t easy to follow. Over 2 mil for a userbase that was small is impressive its what im trying to get at, especailly during the summer season.

If you were expecting it to be in like the top 10 for months on in and months on out then this is not the right kind of game eto do that. I think everyone expected it to be what it was . The epic blockbuster hit it was supposed to be.

Not many games are able to sell like Halo or GTA IV anyway.

This game was a million seller before release, it was confirmed many times that 1.3 million copies were preorders, it already surpassed the 4 million mark.

Success Period.

why is every cow saying that mgs4 sold 4 million copies? IT DIDN'T!!! it SHIPPED 4 million copies. no one knows the actual sales figures. btw, if it did indeed sell 4 million copies ww as all of you cows say, then why isn't it in the top 5 best selling console games of the year? number five sold only 3.4 million units worldwide while number 4 sold 3.6 million. seems like mgs4 never sold 4 million.

mgs4 SHIPS nearly 4 million worldwide

top 5 best selling console games of the year so far

cowgriller

That chart only count north america, japan and UK sales. While it's the biggest markets, it's not the whole world.

Shiping the game is as good as sales to Konami, or any developer infact. who cares about shiped/sold?Jynxzor

that's BS and you know it. when MS says they shipped million of units of consoles or games and lemmings claim it as sales, cows jump down their throats and go to all lengths to prove that shipped=/=sold. but if sony or konami does it, suddenly it's ok to say shipped=sold. no! ---- NO! shipped=/=sales. mgs4 did not sell 4 million units. not 3 million, not 2 million. in all likelihood, they only sold 1 million worldwide in 2 months. how do i know this. EDGE magazine has listed the same exact NPD sales figures for the top selling games of the year so far. they list 8 of the top 10 games on that list and at number 8, wii fit, is listed as selling 1.4 million units worldwide. mgs will not be in the top ten at the end of the year. why? because it's a niche "game" that doesn't appeal to casuals or hardcore. it only appeals to mgs fans and they all bought their copies already.

8 of the top 10 best selling games in 2008 so far

here is a quick excerpt:

So what titles will likely make the top 10 software titles for 2008? Here is a quick preview:

• Grand Theft Auto 4 – Over 4.2 million units

• Super Smash Bros. Brawl – Over 3.2 million units

• Guitar Hero III – Over 2.5 million units

• Mario Kart Wii – Over 2.4 million units

• Wii Play – Over 2.3 million units

• Call of Duty 4 – Over 1.6 million units

• Rock Band – Over 1.5 million units

• Wii Fit – Over 1.4 million units

That's already eight titles with sales greater than Metal Gear Solid 4, and most of those will continue to experience significant sales throughout the rest of the year. And though it is far from guaranteed, big sequels will likely make it onto the final list: Guitar Hero: World Tour, Rock Band 2, Gears of War 2, and Resistance 2, among others.

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

why is every cow saying that mgs4 sold 4 million copies? IT DIDN'T!!! it SHIPPED 4 million copies. no one knows the actual sales figures. btw, if it did indeed sell 4 million copies ww as all of you cows say, then why isn't it in the top 5 best selling console games of the year? number five sold only 3.4 million units worldwide while number 4 sold 3.6 million. seems like mgs4 never sold 4 million.

mgs4 SHIPS nearly 4 million worldwide

top 5 best selling console games of the year so far

Tykain

That chart only count north america, japan and UK sales. While it's the biggest markets, it's not the whole world.

that chart shows regional AND worldwide sales. worldwide is called TOTAL. (they may not have the euro numbers, but the us, uk, and japan numbers paint a very accurate picture).

This game was a million seller before release, it was confirmed many times that 1.3 million copies were preorders, it already surpassed the 4 million mark.

Success Period.

AgentA-Mi6

4 million shipped to stores, not sold to the consumer. less than 1.4 million were sold to the public. check one of my prior posts for a link to proof.

[QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]

This game was a million seller before release, it was confirmed many times that 1.3 million copies were preorders, it already surpassed the 4 million mark.

Success Period.

cowgriller

4 million shipped to stores, not sold to the consumer. "...less than 1.4 million were sold to the public". check one of my prior posts for a link to proof.

NO.

And the game wont stop selling, of course the boom already passed, zealots like myself bough the game at launch of very shortly after, But then again, this game wont stop selling.

[QUOTE="cowgriller"][QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]

This game was a million seller before release, it was confirmed many times that 1.3 million copies were preorders, it already surpassed the 4 million mark.

Success Period.

AgentA-Mi6

4 million shipped to stores, not sold to the consumer. "...less than 1.4 million were sold to the public". check one of my prior posts for a link to proof.

NO.

And the game wont stop selling, of course the boom already passed, zealots like myself bough the game at launch of very shortly after, But then again, this game wont stop selling.

umm YES!!!

if wii-fit sold 1.4 million units this year alone and is number 8 in the top 10 best selling list of this year, what does that mean for mgs4? that means it sold less than 1.4 million. DUH!! just because a self-proclaimed zealot like yourself bought the game on launch doesn't everyone who owns the ps3 will buy the game. the same wway that not every 360 owner bought gears, halo 3, or bioshock.

the game won't stop selling? this thread is full of proof that it already stopped selling and you still refuse to believe it. face it, no casual or hardcore gamer wants to buy an interactive movie for $60. only the zealots/mgs fans like yourself. mgs4 may have scored a 10 here on gs, but sales wise, it's a ------- flop!

hell halo 3 sold more units in 24 hours in just the us than mgs 4 sold in 2 months worldwide. halo 3 us sale: 24 hours

let's do some math shall we.

24 hour us sale = $170 million

$170,000,000 / $120 (cost of the legendary edition) = 1,416,666 or 1.42 million units @ $120 each

$170,000,000 / $70 (cost of the limited edition) = 2,428,571 or 2.49 million units at $70

$170,000,000 / $60 (cost of regaular edition) = 2,833,333 or 2.83 million units @ $60

ouch. teh pwnage.

[QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]

This game was a million seller before release, it was confirmed many times that 1.3 million copies were preorders, it already surpassed the 4 million mark.

Success Period.

cowgriller

4 million shipped to stores, not sold to the consumer. less than 1.4 million were sold to the public. check one of my prior posts for a link to proof.

It didn't make it in the top 10 for this year, but the sales numbers are not accurate. They don't track sales from all countries nor from some big stores, and as it says in the link you provided "many copies of MGS4 are making it to the market bundled with 80GB PS3 systems, and these copies are not included in the software totals reported by the NPD Group." actual worldwide sales are certainly closer to 4 million than to 1.4 million.

lulz my friend's Uncles grandmother's puppies pet cat said they hates MGS4 lulz

Its sold 4 million anyway. So thats enough till holiday season drive.

[QUOTE="cowgriller"][QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]

This game was a million seller before release, it was confirmed many times that 1.3 million copies were preorders, it already surpassed the 4 million mark.

Success Period.

Tykain

4 million shipped to stores, not sold to the consumer. less than 1.4 million were sold to the public. check one of my prior posts for a link to proof.

It didn't make it in the top 10 for this year, but the sales numbers are not accurate. They don't track sales from all countries nor from some big stores, and as it says in the link you provided "many copies of MGS4 are making it to the market bundled with 80GB PS3 systems, and these copies are not included in the software totals reported by the NPD Group." actual worldwide sales are certainly closer to 4 million than to 1.4 million.

not really. the major markets from the major regions were used because more sales figures can be obtained from them. they are also used as an example of how the region overall is doing. for instance, using the us to represent north america, the uk to represent europe, and japan to represent asia. true, not all of the units sold are calculated but this is still very accurate. so far, you're the only person to claim that NPD is not accurate. NPD is used by the entire industry to show actual sales figures because it will be to much of a pain and resource hog for the companies to contact every single store they made shipments to around the world every month to ask them how many units of EACH game in the store's catalog they sold.

mgs4 ps3 bundles are not counted because they are free pack in's. that's pretty much what is done for all games that are packed in for every console, not just the ps3 mgs4 bundle. the forza 2 360 bundle was counted as a console sale, not a game sale. the future uncharted ps3 bundle will count as a ps3 console sale not a game sale. why? because the games are free pack-in's for the consumer. the companies, sony and ms, pay for the games themselves, put them in the package and sell it at the current retail price (meaning free game for the consumer). this is done as an incentive to increase consumer awareness, increase marketing, and increase console sales. the profits made from the consoles go to pay for the packed-in game. basically, you could think of it as paying $440 for the ps3 and $60 far a copy of mgs4 or $500 for the console with a free game.

this not only counts for games, but accessories as well. just because some one buys a 360 pro or elite, it doesn't count as if they bought a wireless controller or a HDD. it count's solely as a console sale. only games and accessories sold separately are counted as game/accessory sales.

Itll pick back up during the holidays most likelyVendettaRed07

all console will. that's like saying the sun will come out tomorrow.

no to bad. 4mil sold world wide is not bad at all. geow only sold 5-6mil world wide. spike6566

lulz my friend's Uncles grandmother's puppies pet cat said they hates MGS4 lulz

Its sold 4 million anyway. So thats enough till holiday season drive.Gun_Haze

i can't believe that with the massive amounts of evidence in this thread saying that konami only shipped 4 million games and NOT SOLD 4 million games, you two would still continue to claim that it did. face it, mgs4 is a sales flop.

sony really has the two of you brainwashed.

[QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"][QUOTE="cowgriller"][QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]

This game was a million seller before release, it was confirmed many times that 1.3 million copies were preorders, it already surpassed the 4 million mark.

Success Period.

cowgriller

4 million shipped to stores, not sold to the consumer. "...less than 1.4 million were sold to the public". check one of my prior posts for a link to proof.

NO.

And the game wont stop selling, of course the boom already passed, zealots like myself bough the game at launch of very shortly after, But then again, this game wont stop selling.

umm YES!!!

if wii-fit sold 1.4 million units this year alone and is number 8 in the top 10 best selling list of this year, what does that mean for mgs4? that means it sold less than 1.4 million. DUH!! just because a self-proclaimed zealot like yourself bought the game on launch doesn't everyone who owns the ps3 will buy the game. the same wway that not every 360 owner bought gears, halo 3, or bioshock.

the game won't stop selling? this thread is full of proof that it already stopped selling and you still refuse to believe it. face it, no casual or hardcore gamer wants to buy an interactive movie for $60. only the zealots/mgs fans like yourself. mgs4 may have scored a 10 here on gs, but sales wise, it's a ------- flop!

hell halo 3 sold more units in 24 hours in just the us than mgs 4 sold in 2 months worldwide. halo 3 us sale: 24 hours

let's do some math shall we.

24 hour us sale = $170 million

$170,000,000 / $120 (cost of the legendary edition) = 1,416,666 or 1.42 million units @ $120 each

$170,000,000 / $70 (cost of the limited edition) = 2,428,571 or 2.49 million units at $70

$170,000,000 / $60 (cost of regaular edition) = 2,833,333 or 2.83 million units @ $60

ouch. teh pwnage.

And because the game was the second coming of Jesus, thats why everyone stopped talking and caring about Halo 3 and moved over to CoD4 the second it came out.

Sales do matter for the sake of a game's production cost and weither or not a sequel should be made, but don't equate to a game being great. Hell look at the Wii, every single person I know says that they bought into the hype, bought one, played it for a few weeks, and now the system is just sitting on shelves.

This gen's console market has been pushed so far up the casual moron's ass that sales don't mean a damn thing in terms of quality.

[QUOTE="cowgriller"][QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"][QUOTE="cowgriller"][QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]

This game was a million seller before release, it was confirmed many times that 1.3 million copies were preorders, it already surpassed the 4 million mark.

Success Period.

alextheman123

4 million shipped to stores, not sold to the consumer. "...less than 1.4 million were sold to the public". check one of my prior posts for a link to proof.

NO.

And the game wont stop selling, of course the boom already passed, zealots like myself bough the game at launch of very shortly after, But then again, this game wont stop selling.

umm YES!!!

if wii-fit sold 1.4 million units this year alone and is number 8 in the top 10 best selling list of this year, what does that mean for mgs4? that means it sold less than 1.4 million. DUH!! just because a self-proclaimed zealot like yourself bought the game on launch doesn't everyone who owns the ps3 will buy the game. the same wway that not every 360 owner bought gears, halo 3, or bioshock.

the game won't stop selling? this thread is full of proof that it already stopped selling and you still refuse to believe it. face it, no casual or hardcore gamer wants to buy an interactive movie for $60. only the zealots/mgs fans like yourself. mgs4 may have scored a 10 here on gs, but sales wise, it's a ------- flop!

hell halo 3 sold more units in 24 hours in just the us than mgs 4 sold in 2 months worldwide. halo 3 us sale: 24 hours

let's do some math shall we.

24 hour us sale = $170 million

$170,000,000 / $120 (cost of the legendary edition) = 1,416,666 or 1.42 million units @ $120 each

$170,000,000 / $70 (cost of the limited edition) = 2,428,571 or 2.49 million units at $70

$170,000,000 / $60 (cost of regaular edition) = 2,833,333 or 2.83 million units @ $60

ouch. teh pwnage.

And because the game was the second coming of Jesus, thats why everyone stopped talking and caring about Halo 3 and moved over to CoD4 the second in came out.

Sales do matter for the sake of a game's production cost and weither or not a sequel should be made, but don't equate to a game being great. Hell look at the Wii, every single person I know says that they bought into the hype, bought one, played it for a few weeks, and now the system is just sitting on shelves.

This gen's console market has been pushed so far up the casual moron's ass that sales don't mean a damn thing in terms of quality.

oh i never said that halo 3 was a great game. i merely said that in one day, it managed to sell more copies in the US alone than mgs4 sold in 2 months worldwide. does that mean that halo 3 is great and mgs4 sucks? no, absolutely not. it just means that ps3's best game simply cannot compete sales-wise with the 360's best.

the wii, i agree whole-heartily with you, was just hype. it is nothing more than a white gamecube with a motion sensing tv control (with less buttons).

as for your last sentence, it seems we are on the same page there.

konami has sold over 3 millions copies already and it will make it to 4, I dont think there to worried anymore

the real question is why do you care so much about how much it sold? you obviously hate the game so why even argue? MGS4 got a 10 deal with it.njean777

just because a game got a 10 at a corrupt reviewing site doesn't mean it will sell well. that's is not a knock on the game, just the truth. the fact is, the game doesn't really appeal to that many gamers, that way sales are so low when compared to casual nait like CoD 4 and GTA 4. hell a bad scoring game could sell more than a well scoring game. look at wii fit. and that ----'s not even a game! it's a crappy fitness simulator! some games that score bad are still enjoyable as well. hell, i bet that the six people that bough haze enjoyed it.

konami has sold over 3 millions copies already and it will make it to 4, I dont think there to worried anymore

bigLLL

well to this guy its the end of the ps3

[QUOTE="spike6566"]no to bad. 4mil sold world wide is not bad at all. geow only sold 5-6mil world wide. cowgriller

lulz my friend's Uncles grandmother's puppies pet cat said they hates MGS4 lulz

Its sold 4 million anyway. So thats enough till holiday season drive.Gun_Haze

i can't believe that with the massive amounts of evidence in this thread saying that konami only shipped 4 million games and NOT SOLD 4 million games, you two would still continue to claim that it did. face it, mgs4 is a sales flop.

sony really has the two of you brainwashed.

$5.99. Available at Walmart™and Samsclub™ Retailers Nationwide.

konami has sold over 3 millions copies already and it will make it to 4, I dont think there to worried anymore

bigLLL

did you read any of the links at all. konami's sales reports themselves say that the SHIPPED, NOT SOLD 3.94 million copies of the game. in reality, less than 1.4 million were actually sold worldwide. go back and read the actual links before posting something that has been disproved many times already in this thread.

[QUOTE="cowgriller"][QUOTE="spike6566"]no to bad. 4mil sold world wide is not bad at all. geow only sold 5-6mil world wide. Gun_Haze

lulz my friend's Uncles grandmother's puppies pet cat said they hates MGS4 lulz

Its sold 4 million anyway. So thats enough till holiday season drive.Gun_Haze

i can't believe that with the massive amounts of evidence in this thread saying that konami only shipped 4 million games and NOT SOLD 4 million games, you two would still continue to claim that it did. face it, mgs4 is a sales flop.

sony really has the two of you brainwashed.

$5.99. Available at Walmart™and Samsclub™ Retailers Nationwide.

looks like you bought the entire inventory. anyway, i don't shop at walmart or sam's club.

It's still a success and a great game.

[QUOTE="njean777"]the real question is why do you care so much about how much it sold? you obviously hate the game so why even argue? MGS4 got a 10 deal with it.cowgriller

just because a game got a 10 at a corrupt reviewing site doesn't mean it will sell well. that's is not a knock on the game, just the truth. the fact is, the game doesn't really appeal to that many gamers, that way sales are so low when compared to casual nait like CoD 4 and GTA 4. hell a bad scoring game could sell more than a well scoring game. look at wii fit. and that ----'s not even a game! it's a crappy fitness simulator! some games that score bad are still enjoyable as well. hell, i bet that the six people that bough haze enjoyed it.

wow so when gears gets a 10 you will be saying hahaha now the 360 has a 10 but when ps3 gets a 10 you say this site is corrupt. Man you have issues. Plus you just said it yourself MGS does not appeal to everyone thats why it didnt sell 23 billion we all know this, so why make this thread?

[QUOTE="bigLLL"]

konami has sold over 3 millions copies already and it will make it to 4, I dont think there to worried anymore

njean777

well to this guy its the end of the ps3

i can't speak for the TC, but it's not the end of the ps3, just one "huge" title that should have sold better.

Well its been out for a while and the MGo kind of sucks so people sold it, people buying it bought the used versions thus not many sales are counted well thats my theory

[QUOTE="Gun_Haze"][QUOTE="cowgriller"][QUOTE="spike6566"]no to bad. 4mil sold world wide is not bad at all. geow only sold 5-6mil world wide. cowgriller

lulz my friend's Uncles grandmother's puppies pet cat said they hates MGS4 lulz

Its sold 4 million anyway. So thats enough till holiday season drive.Gun_Haze

i can't believe that with the massive amounts of evidence in this thread saying that konami only shipped 4 million games and NOT SOLD 4 million games, you two would still continue to claim that it did. face it, mgs4 is a sales flop.

sony really has the two of you brainwashed.

$5.99. Available at Walmart™and Samsclub™ Retailers Nationwide.

looks like you bought the entire inventory. anyway, i don't shop at walmart or sam's club.

Self-ownage at its finest, good sir.

[QUOTE="spike6566"]no to bad. 4mil sold world wide is not bad at all. geow only sold 5-6mil world wide. cowgriller

lulz my friend's Uncles grandmother's puppies pet cat said they hates MGS4 lulz

Its sold 4 million anyway. So thats enough till holiday season drive.Gun_Haze

i can't believe that with the massive amounts of evidence in this thread saying that konami only shipped 4 million games and NOT SOLD 4 million games, you two would still continue to claim that it did. face it, mgs4 is a sales flop.

sony really has the two of you brainwashed.

And comments like this from haters actually make me lol. Not only that Edge link is only speculating what these games would have by the end of the year, you put down the bundles even when it's obvious that most ppl who went for it also got interested on MGS4, Konami even stated MGS4 made their earnings drastically go up this year and at the same time pushed PS3 units.

Even if the game is only around the 1.4 Mill. mark that's more than enough for a so called ''niche'' title. It's more than what others like NG and such can pull and so not niche ones like RE and even Zelda as of late as well as other big franchises.

Some of you just want to compare it to casual friendly overly advertised and overly hyped games like Halo 3 and SSBB and even doing so shows how big the game is.

Since apparently my last post wasn't controversial enough to warrant a response, I will gently remind everyone that when Microsoft and Sony report sales, the former reports shipments and the latter reports retail sales. So you can deny the 4 million copies of MGS4 that Konami shipped but then you'll be forced to question how many Microsoft consoles are actually in gamers' hands.

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

[QUOTE="njean777"]the real question is why do you care so much about how much it sold? you obviously hate the game so why even argue? MGS4 got a 10 deal with it.njean777

just because a game got a 10 at a corrupt reviewing site doesn't mean it will sell well. that's is not a knock on the game, just the truth. the fact is, the game doesn't really appeal to that many gamers, that way sales are so low when compared to casual nait like CoD 4 and GTA 4. hell a bad scoring game could sell more than a well scoring game. look at wii fit. and that ----'s not even a game! it's a crappy fitness simulator! some games that score bad are still enjoyable as well. hell, i bet that the six people that bough haze enjoyed it.

wow so when gears gets a 10 you will be saying hahaha now the 360 has a 10 but when ps3 gets a 10 you say this site is corrupt. Man you have issues. Plus you just said it yourself MGS does not appeal to everyone thats why it didnt sell 23 billion we all know this, so why make this thread?

first off, i never made the thread, someone else did. that comment right there shows you exactly how much you know about what is going on in this thread. nothing.

second, if gears 2 gets a 10 that's great. will i agree with gs, not really. i can decide for myself what game deserves my money, not some 40 year old virgin working for an internet gaming site with no contact with the outside world. even if gears gets a 6.5 like, it will still sell better than mgs 4.

like i said, mgs4 doesn't appeal to everyone which explains the poor sales. but according to the cows in system wars, it truly was the second coming and that when mgs 4 comes out, the 360 will die off. it was speculated the be the best selling game of all time selling 4 million copies in one day. it sold 1/4 of that amount in 2 months. that a sales fail.

[QUOTE="Tykain"][QUOTE="cowgriller"][QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]

This game was a million seller before release, it was confirmed many times that 1.3 million copies were preorders, it already surpassed the 4 million mark.

Success Period.

cowgriller

4 million shipped to stores, not sold to the consumer. less than 1.4 million were sold to the public. check one of my prior posts for a link to proof.

It didn't make it in the top 10 for this year, but the sales numbers are not accurate. They don't track sales from all countries nor from some big stores, and as it says in the link you provided "many copies of MGS4 are making it to the market bundled with 80GB PS3 systems, and these copies are not included in the software totals reported by the NPD Group." actual worldwide sales are certainly closer to 4 million than to 1.4 million.

not really. the major markets from the major regions were used because more sales figures can be obtained from them. they are also used as an example of how the region overall is doing. for instance, using the us to represent north america, the uk to represent europe, and japan to represent asia. true, not all of the units sold are calculated but this is still very accurate. so far, you're the only person to claim that NPD is not accurate. NPD is used by the entire industry to show actual sales figures because it will be to much of a pain and resource hog for the companies to contact every single store they made shipments to around the world every month to ask them how many units of EACH game in the store's catalog they sold.

mgs4 ps3 bundles are not counted because they are free pack in's. that's pretty much what is done for all games that are packed in for every console, not just the ps3 mgs4 bundle. the forza 2 360 bundle was counted as a console sale, not a game sale. the future uncharted ps3 bundle will count as a ps3 console sale not a game sale. why? because the games are free pack-in's for the consumer. the companies, sony and ms, pay for the games themselves, put them in the package and sell it at the current retail price (meaning free game for the consumer). this is done as an incentive to increase consumer awareness, increase marketing, and increase console sales. the profits made from the consoles go to pay for the packed-in game. basically, you could think of it as paying $440 for the ps3 and $60 far a copy of mgs4 or $500 for the console with a free game.

this not only counts for games, but accessories as well. just because some one buys a 360 pro or elite, it doesn't count as if they bought a wireless controller or a HDD. it count's solely as a console sale. only games and accessories sold separately are counted as game/accessory sales.

NPD numbers are good for statistics, not for exact sales numbers. it's a huge sample, but still a sample. it's just raw datas that need to be extrapolated for more accurate numbers, and that's what companies do with NPD numbers.

And it doesn't matter if the game is sold alone or with a ps3, it's still a game sold for Konami and that's not tracked by NPD.

If I bought the entire inventory, then I'm free of fanboy propaganda not so? Unlike you Mr. "cowgriller"

Self-ownage at its finest, good sir.

Gun_Haze

oh i'm definitely a fanboy, duh! but i'm not brainwashed. it's not self-ownage because you listed a fake product designed for someone to brainwash himself were as you have already had your brain washed clean by sony. sony defense force FTL!

[QUOTE="Gun_Haze"]

If I bought the entire inventory, then I'm free of fanboy propaganda not so? Unlike you Mr. "cowgriller"

Self-ownage at its finest, good sir.

cowgriller

oh i'm definitely a fanboy, duh! but i'm not brainwashed. it's not self-ownage because you listed a fake product designed for someone to brainwash himself were as you have already had your brain washed clean by sony. sony defense force FTL!

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[QUOTE="njean777"][QUOTE="cowgriller"]

[QUOTE="njean777"]the real question is why do you care so much about how much it sold? you obviously hate the game so why even argue? MGS4 got a 10 deal with it.cowgriller

just because a game got a 10 at a corrupt reviewing site doesn't mean it will sell well. that's is not a knock on the game, just the truth. the fact is, the game doesn't really appeal to that many gamers, that way sales are so low when compared to casual nait like CoD 4 and GTA 4. hell a bad scoring game could sell more than a well scoring game. look at wii fit. and that ----'s not even a game! it's a crappy fitness simulator! some games that score bad are still enjoyable as well. hell, i bet that the six people that bough haze enjoyed it.

wow so when gears gets a 10 you will be saying hahaha now the 360 has a 10 but when ps3 gets a 10 you say this site is corrupt. Man you have issues. Plus you just said it yourself MGS does not appeal to everyone thats why it didnt sell 23 billion we all know this, so why make this thread?

first off, i never made the thread, someone else did. that comment right there shows you exactly how much you know about what is going on in this thread. nothing.

second, if gears 2 gets a 10 that's great. will i agree with gs, not really. i can decide for myself what game deserves my money, not some 40 year old virgin working for an internet gaming site with no contact with the outside world. even if gears gets a 6.5 like, it will still sell better than mgs 4.

like i said, mgs4 doesn't appeal to everyone which explains the poor sales. but according to the cows in system wars, it truly was the second coming and that when mgs 4 comes out, the 360 will die off. it was speculated the be the best selling game of all time selling 4 million copies in one day. it sold 1/4 of that amount in 2 months. that a sales fail.

No i was refering to you through this whole thread you have been saying MGS4 is a flop. Thats great if it were true. Hell selling a million is very good for any game. And im sorry i got confused i thought you made the thread.

And comments like this from haters actually make me lol. Not only that Edge link is only speculating what these games would have by the end of the year, you put down the bundles even when it's obvious that most ppl who went for it also got interested on MGS4, Konami even stated MGS4 made their earnings drastically go up this year and at the same time pushed PS3 units.

Even if the game is only around the 1.4 Mill. mark that's more than enough for a so called ''niche'' title. It's more than what others like NG and such can pull and so not niche ones like RE and even Zelda as of late as well as other big franchises.

Some of you just want to compare it to casual friendly overly advertised and overly hyped games like Halo 3 and SSBB and even doing so shows how big the game is.

Dystopian-X

mgs 4 is a sales flop. if a game is hyped to sell 4 million units in one day and fails to sell anywhere near half that in 2 months, that's a flop.

the edge link i provided included the NPD sales figures and the top 10 (well top 8 games) that sold the most so far this year. ehat they speculated is true, other games coming out later this year like gears 2 and resistance 2 will knock mgs 4 off the top 10 list.

i compared games that were equally hyped sale-wise and score wise.

Since apparently my last post wasn't controversial enough to warrant a response, I will gently remind everyone that when Microsoft and Sony report sales, the former reports shipments and the latter reports retail sales. So you can deny the 4 million copies of MGS4 that Konami shipped but then you'll be forced to question how many Microsoft consoles are actually in gamers' hands.

OrwellJames

konami said it themselves that they shipped 3.94 million units, not sold. their reports supersede anything sony says regarding this game. that's like ms saying that gears 2 sold 10 million copies in one day and epic coming out saying "but the game's not out yet". well, not really but i hope you get my point.

It's awesome how people just choose to ignore the actual sales data and believe whatever made up reality they feel like.

Shipped =/= Sold. It's a pretty simple concept to get a grasp of. However, I don't think the simple logic is the problem... it's the rabid fanboyism

konami said it themselves that they shipped 3.94 million units, not sold. their reports supersede anything sony says regarding this game. that's like ms saying that gears 2 sold 10 million copies in one day and epic coming out saying "but the game's not out yet". well, not really but i hope you get my point.

Right. Microsoft sales data are often compared to Sony sales data, even though the two reflect two different phenomena. Sony has made no assertions that Metal Gear Solid 4 sold 4 million units. My only point is that Sony provides sales data for the PS3 based on consoles bought by individual consumers from retailers, whereas Microsoft simply reports the number of 360's that they ship. So your illustration actually isn't terribly farfetched.

[QUOTE="cowgriller"][QUOTE="Tykain"][QUOTE="cowgriller"][QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]

This game was a million seller before release, it was confirmed many times that 1.3 million copies were preorders, it already surpassed the 4 million mark.

Success Period.

Tykain

4 million shipped to stores, not sold to the consumer. less than 1.4 million were sold to the public. check one of my prior posts for a link to proof.

It didn't make it in the top 10 for this year, but the sales numbers are not accurate. They don't track sales from all countries nor from some big stores, and as it says in the link you provided "many copies of MGS4 are making it to the market bundled with 80GB PS3 systems, and these copies are not included in the software totals reported by the NPD Group." actual worldwide sales are certainly closer to 4 million than to 1.4 million.

not really. the major markets from the major regions were used because more sales figures can be obtained from them. they are also used as an example of how the region overall is doing. for instance, using the us to represent north america, the uk to represent europe, and japan to represent asia. true, not all of the units sold are calculated but this is still very accurate. so far, you're the only person to claim that NPD is not accurate. NPD is used by the entire industry to show actual sales figures because it will be to much of a pain and resource hog for the companies to contact every single store they made shipments to around the world every month to ask them how many units of EACH game in the store's catalog they sold.

mgs4 ps3 bundles are not counted because they are free pack in's. that's pretty much what is done for all games that are packed in for every console, not just the ps3 mgs4 bundle. the forza 2 360 bundle was counted as a console sale, not a game sale. the future uncharted ps3 bundle will count as a ps3 console sale not a game sale. why? because the games are free pack-in's for the consumer. the companies, sony and ms, pay for the games themselves, put them in the package and sell it at the current retail price (meaning free game for the consumer). this is done as an incentive to increase consumer awareness, increase marketing, and increase console sales. the profits made from the consoles go to pay for the packed-in game. basically, you could think of it as paying $440 for the ps3 and $60 far a copy of mgs4 or $500 for the console with a free game.

this not only counts for games, but accessories as well. just because some one buys a 360 pro or elite, it doesn't count as if they bought a wireless controller or a HDD. it count's solely as a console sale. only games and accessories sold separately are counted as game/accessory sales.

NPD numbers are good for statistics, not for exact sales numbers. it's a huge sample, but still a sample. it's just raw datas that need to be extrapolated for more accurate numbers, and that's what companies do with NPD numbers.

And it doesn't matter if the game is sold alone or with a ps3, it's still a game sold for Konami and that's not tracked by NPD.

well, like i said, if these companies wanted the sames to be as accurate as possible, it will take up too much time and money, so a rather large sample will have to do. i do get your point however, it's ust that no matter how many times i show proof that mgs4 isn't the sales giant it's suppose to be, some deluded cow comes in and says, "mgs4 sold 20 bajillion copies in one week, der". these figures, though they don't account for every game sold, is the most accurate we have. i don't here anyone complaining about NPD numbers when console sales come in. except from poster fanboys who just saw their beloved console get paced in the sales race by a snail.

[QUOTE="MikeE21286"]people buying MGS4 now are probably buying it with the bundles.....and it's not really surprising that the game's sales were top heavy when most of the PS3 audience is hardcore and was just foaming at the mouth for the game3picuri3

but now it's off the top 10, and apparently getting close to being off the top 15-20 for August. this thread is for cows that claimed it would be a major system seller and would push like 5 million PS3s in it's first couple of months.

and i'm a manticore btw to those that are just making lowball comments ;) just following up on an old debate.

[QUOTE="Dystopian-X"]

And comments like this from haters actually make me lol. Not only that Edge link is only speculating what these games would have by the end of the year, you put down the bundles even when it's obvious that most ppl who went for it also got interested on MGS4, Konami even stated MGS4 made their earnings drastically go up this year and at the same time pushed PS3 units.

Even if the game is only around the 1.4 Mill. mark that's more than enough for a so called ''niche'' title. It's more than what others like NG and such can pull and so not niche ones like RE and even Zelda as of late as well as other big franchises.

Some of you just want to compare it to casual friendly overly advertised and overly hyped games like Halo 3 and SSBB and even doing so shows how big the game is.

cowgriller

mgs 4 is a sales flop. if a game is hyped to sell 4 million units in one day and fails to sell anywhere near half that in 2 months, that's a flop.

the edge link i provided included the NPD sales figures and the top 10 (well top 8 games) that sold the most so far this year. ehat they speculated is true, other games coming out later this year like gears 2 and resistance 2 will knock mgs 4 off the top 10 list.

i compared games that were equally hyped sale-wise and score wise.

No it was supposedly 1 M. NPD shows it sold around 776,000 on June and counting the bundles which are valid to me, it managed.

It's true, MGS4 didn't top Halo or SSBB, but it still sold pretty well, more than many others so called niche games or big franchises do anymore, it also did more for the PS3 than other titles, it's got acclaim which was mostly positive (even excluding GS) and a personal favorite so in no aspect the game flopped.

Yeah, it could've sold better but just like any other game.