MGS4 sales plummet

[QUOTE="cowgriller"][QUOTE="Gun_Haze"]

If I bought the entire inventory, then I'm free of fanboy propaganda not so? Unlike you Mr. "cowgriller"

Self-ownage at its finest, good sir.

Gun_Haze

oh i'm definitely a fanboy, duh! but i'm not brainwashed.

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i know. it sounds like a contradiction, like saying "i don't have wings but i can fly". truth is, the reason i'm a 360 fanboy and not brainwashed is not because o pr speak or cgi videos claimed to be gameplay, it's because i truly enjoyed the first xbox and figured that the 360 will proved the same experience. i chose not to buy a ps3 because i don't like the way sony does things (lieing to the consumer and then charging the consumer for the company's mistake. for instance, ps3's dre, rootkits, and sony's proprietary dvd copy-encryption that will not allow the dvd to be played in dvd players, not even in sony's dvd players. sure ms did something similar to this, rrod, but after they realised, "hey. we could get sued for this", they paid for the fix themselves. was it out of the kindness of their hearts? Hell NO! it's just that it would have cost them less to fix the consoles themselves than get their asses handed to them in court...again.) as for the wii. are you ------- kidding me? i'm not 7, i'm not a casual, and i'm not an 80 grandmother? i'm a 22 year old gamer who wanted a gaming console, not a masterbation simulator (and here comes the suspension). so far this ge, aside from my pc, the 360 quenched all of my gaming needs.

[QUOTE="cowgriller"][QUOTE="njean777"][QUOTE="cowgriller"]

[QUOTE="njean777"]the real question is why do you care so much about how much it sold? you obviously hate the game so why even argue? MGS4 got a 10 deal with it.njean777

just because a game got a 10 at a corrupt reviewing site doesn't mean it will sell well. that's is not a knock on the game, just the truth. the fact is, the game doesn't really appeal to that many gamers, that way sales are so low when compared to casual nait like CoD 4 and GTA 4. hell a bad scoring game could sell more than a well scoring game. look at wii fit. and that ----'s not even a game! it's a crappy fitness simulator! some games that score bad are still enjoyable as well. hell, i bet that the six people that bough haze enjoyed it.

wow so when gears gets a 10 you will be saying hahaha now the 360 has a 10 but when ps3 gets a 10 you say this site is corrupt. Man you have issues. Plus you just said it yourself MGS does not appeal to everyone thats why it didnt sell 23 billion we all know this, so why make this thread?

first off, i never made the thread, someone else did. that comment right there shows you exactly how much you know about what is going on in this thread. nothing.

second, if gears 2 gets a 10 that's great. will i agree with gs, not really. i can decide for myself what game deserves my money, not some 40 year old virgin working for an internet gaming site with no contact with the outside world. even if gears gets a 6.5 like, it will still sell better than mgs 4.

like i said, mgs4 doesn't appeal to everyone which explains the poor sales. but according to the cows in system wars, it truly was the second coming and that when mgs 4 comes out, the 360 will die off. it was speculated the be the best selling game of all time selling 4 million copies in one day. it sold 1/4 of that amount in 2 months. that a sales fail.

No i was refering to you through this whole thread you have been saying MGS4 is a flop. Thats great if it were true. Hell selling a million is very good for any game. And im sorry i got confused i thought you made the thread.

no i didn't make this thread, though i am defending it more than the TC. sales wise, yes it can be considered a flop because of all the hype the game received and all of the advertisements that sony put into it. rating-wise, it did extremely well for itself.

If MGS4 wasn't bundled with a PS3, it would've disappeared off the radar faster than it did.

MGS4 by itself isn't a system seller, it had to be bundled.

[quote="cowgriller"]

konami said it themselves that they shipped 3.94 million units, not sold. their reports supersede anything sony says regarding this game. that's like ms saying that gears 2 sold 10 million copies in one day and epic coming out saying "but the game's not out yet". well, not really but i hope you get my point.OrwellJames

Right. Microsoft sales data are often compared to Sony sales data, even though the two reflect two different phenomena. Sony has made no assertions that Metal Gear Solid 4 sold 4 million units. My only point is that Sony provides sales data for the PS3 based on consoles bought by individual consumers from retailers, whereas Microsoft simply reports the number of 360's that they ship. So your illustration actually isn't terribly farfetched.

first off, i took the liberty in fixing your quote for you since you were refering to me.

second, i understand what you are saying in regards to ship vs sold in consoles for the big two (nintendo doesn't count this gen). but if konami says that they shipped 3.94 million units, then they shipped 3.94 million units. they didn't sell that many. why is it so hard for fanboys to understand this. hell, i'm a huge lemming but when ms talks "sales" figures, all i'm thinking to my self is "now divide that by 2 and you get the real sales numbers".

[QUOTE="cowgriller"][QUOTE="Dystopian-X"]

And comments like this from haters actually make me lol. Not only that Edge link is only speculating what these games would have by the end of the year, you put down the bundles even when it's obvious that most ppl who went for it also got interested on MGS4, Konami even stated MGS4 made their earnings drastically go up this year and at the same time pushed PS3 units.

Even if the game is only around the 1.4 Mill. mark that's more than enough for a so called ''niche'' title. It's more than what others like NG and such can pull and so not niche ones like RE and even Zelda as of late as well as other big franchises.

Some of you just want to compare it to casual friendly overly advertised and overly hyped games like Halo 3 and SSBB and even doing so shows how big the game is.

Dystopian-X

mgs 4 is a sales flop. if a game is hyped to sell 4 million units in one day and fails to sell anywhere near half that in 2 months, that's a flop.

the edge link i provided included the NPD sales figures and the top 10 (well top 8 games) that sold the most so far this year. ehat they speculated is true, other games coming out later this year like gears 2 and resistance 2 will knock mgs 4 off the top 10 list.

i compared games that were equally hyped sale-wise and score wise.

No it was supposedly 1 M. NPD shows it sold around 776,000 on June and counting the bundles which are valid to me, it managed.

It's true, MGS4 didn't top Halo or SSBB, but it still sold pretty well, more than many others so called niche games or big franchises do anymore, it also did more for the PS3 than other titles, it's got acclaim which was mostly positive (even excluding GS) and a personal favorite so in no aspect the game flopped.

Yeah, it could've sold better but just like any other game.

no disagreements here but, though bundle sales count for you, universally, they don't count as game sales. but true, selling over a million copies is a huge accomplishment. the only points that was trying to make this entire thread were 1) mgs 4 didn't sell 4 million copies and 2) regarding all the hype that led up to the release of this game, it really didn't live up to it sales wise.

Hasn't it already sold like 4 million? Dude. It doesn't even need to sell anymore. 4 million is outstanding.Not-A-Stalker

*ugh* *facepalm* please go back to my first post in page one to see that they shipped 4 million units, not sold 4 million. shipped means the amount of copies that went to stores, sold means the amount of games that were sold the gamers/consumers, not the amount of games left in store selves.

[QUOTE="Not-A-Stalker"]Hasn't it already sold like 4 million? Dude. It doesn't even need to sell anymore. 4 million is outstanding.cowgriller

*ugh* *facepalm* please go back to my first post in page one to see that they shipped 4 million units, not sold 4 million. shipped means the amount of copies that went to stores, sold means the amount of games that were sold the gamers/consumers, not the amount of games left in store selves.

Konami made money off of those 4 million already though. It's the retailers that are losing money if MGS4 stops selling, not Konami. Thats all that matters. Konami doesn't even need to sell any more.

Actually, I don't think anyone here is concerned about Konami's profits. I think they're trying to illustrate that the Playstation 3 is a bad console because one of its more popular games didn't sell as well as Grand Theft Auto IV, which is pretty much the most outrageous non-sequitur fathomable.OrwellJames

Ah ok. Well in that case... I'm just gonna leave. :lol: Sales talk is pretty pointless anyways.

You're all wrong. As I already said, MGS4 has exceeded expected sales. Heck, even the almighty GTA4 has sold only 4.5 million on the PS3. Konami is expecting to ship 5 million by the end of the year and that's a realistic target. MGS4 has done far better than MGS3 did, even though MGS3 has the benefit of the PS2s massive popularity. And holiday season will make sales go up again.

And it did life system sales 700% in Japan, and 180% in America. That's A LOT.

I think everyone who really wanted to play MGS4 already has it.

EDIT: How did the game alienate the fanbase? It's just as enjoyable as the others. I don't see how you could enjoy the others and not enjoy this one.

SSJ_Nega

I have played them all and enjoyed all of them. Though I will admit in some ways MGS3 was better.

[QUOTE="njean777"]the real question is why do you care so much about how much it sold? you obviously hate the game so why even argue? MGS4 got a 10 deal with it.cowgriller

just because a game got a 10 at a corrupt reviewing site doesn't mean it will sell well. that's is not a knock on the game, just the truth. the fact is, the game doesn't really appeal to that many gamers, that way sales are so low when compared to casual nait like CoD 4 and GTA 4. hell a bad scoring game could sell more than a well scoring game. look at wii fit. and that ----'s not even a game! it's a crappy fitness simulator! some games that score bad are still enjoyable as well. hell, i bet that the six people that bough haze enjoyed it.

teh ownage

so are all of those sites corrupt as well?

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

[QUOTE="njean777"]the real question is why do you care so much about how much it sold? you obviously hate the game so why even argue? MGS4 got a 10 deal with it.ermacness

just because a game got a 10 at a corrupt reviewing site doesn't mean it will sell well. that's is not a knock on the game, just the truth. the fact is, the game doesn't really appeal to that many gamers, that way sales are so low when compared to casual nait like CoD 4 and GTA 4. hell a bad scoring game could sell more than a well scoring game. look at wii fit. and that ----'s not even a game! it's a crappy fitness simulator! some games that score bad are still enjoyable as well. hell, i bet that the six people that bough haze enjoyed it.

teh ownage

so are all of those sites corrupt as well?

It got 26 Perfect scores

:lol:

its also the 2nd most traded in ps3 game.Xbox360_4_Me

Link?

wii fit not a game there for i wish people would stop comparing stealth action games or fps driving games to excercise simulators lol , you know what thats like, thats like comparing a car to a pedestran lol ,

i agree wii fit is not a game but was it promised to be one is the question , no it wasnt

amd ya ill enjoy driver paralel lines more then mgs4 because its funner, its more free the freedom oh the freedom lol i can say that a million times

What did you expect? MGS4 is nearing 4 MILLION in sales, something MGS3 failed to do even though the PS2 was a far more established console at the time (100+ million in sales). So yeah, as far as I'm concerned, MGS4 sales have been incredible. It's the best-selling PS3 game by far, excluding GTA4. And sales will go up again at some point. Not a topic that should create all this fuss.metalgear-solid

it's not even close, that was how many units were sold to stores.

i fail to see how its close to 4 million when US sales are just over 1. usually works the other way around ;)

Has the game already sold near 2 million copies or something?

What did Snake Eater sell? Like 3 million?

I dont think MGS4's sells are all that shabby.

And this is why it will be ported to the 360

Dont forget that a lot of Ps2 owners bought a 360 instead of a Ps3

it's not even close, that was how many units were sold to stores.

i fail to see how its close to 4 million when US sales are just over 1. usually works the other way around ;)

3picuri3

This topic = FAIL. MGS4 sold more than 3 million copies in 14 days. ALL BUNDLES were SOLD OUT and they are still sold out at most Best Buys and in Amazon.com. Seriously, a fail. It's the fastest selling PS3 exclusive. Damn it that makes it even a much failure topic and useless thread. Try again later LEMS.

Read this:

MGS4 sold over 3 million copies just in 14 days!
GameStop Earnings Surge In Second Quarter; Forecast In Line

IT still sold millions so and sold a lot of PS3s, so I don't see your point. No one said it would outsell games like GTA4 or Halo 3.Cedmln

so, this topic is about how it STOPPED selling and totally dropped of the radar.

This topic = FAIL. MGS4 sold more than 3 million copies in 14 days. ALL BUNDLES were SOLD OUT and they are still sold out at most Best Buys and in Amazon.com. Seriously, a fail. It's the fastest selling PS3 exclusive. Damn it that makes it even a much failure topic and useless thread. Try again later LEMS.

Read this:

MGS4 sold over 3 million copies just in 14 days!
GameStop Earnings Surge In Second Quarter; Forecast In Line

AgentH

those sales figures are to stores. not actual sales.

and again, this thread is about how it just totally dropped of the radar and plummeted, not about how it sold when it first came out - so you fail :)

IT still sold millions so and sold a lot of PS3s, so I don't see your point. No one said it would outsell games like GTA4 or Halo 3.Cedmln

MGS4 sales aren't that far behind the PS3 version of GTAIV. GTAIV is in the 4 million sold copies when it comes to the PS3 version. MGS4 is nearing the 4 million copies.

[QUOTE="Cedmln"]IT still sold millions so and sold a lot of PS3s, so I don't see your point. No one said it would outsell games like GTA4 or Halo 3.AgentH

MGS4 sales aren't that far behind the PS3 version of GTAIV. GTAIV is in the 4 million sold copies when it comes to the PS3 version. MGS4 is nearing the 4 million copies.

and GTAIV is still in the top 10 for sales on PS3, MGS4 isn't. that's the point of this thread, but thanks for drilling that point home for everyone ;) it's nearing 4 million sent to stores, read your sources carefully - and compare NPD and other REAL sales figures to that, it's not actually close to 4 million in peoples homes.

[QUOTE="AgentH"]

This topic = FAIL. MGS4 sold more than 3 million copies in 14 days. ALL BUNDLES were SOLD OUT and they are still sold out at most Best Buys and in Amazon.com. Seriously, a fail. It's the fastest selling PS3 exclusive. Damn it that makes it even a much failure topic and useless thread. Try again later LEMS.

Read this:

MGS4 sold over 3 million copies just in 14 days!
GameStop Earnings Surge In Second Quarter; Forecast In Line

3picuri3

those sales figures are to stores. not actual sales.

and again, this thread is about how it just totally dropped of the radar and plummeted, not about how it sold when it first came out - so you fail :)

[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="AgentH"]

This topic = FAIL. MGS4 sold more than 3 million copies in 14 days. ALL BUNDLES were SOLD OUT and they are still sold out at most Best Buys and in Amazon.com. Seriously, a fail. It's the fastest selling PS3 exclusive. Damn it that makes it even a much failure topic and useless thread. Try again later LEMS.

Read this:

MGS4 sold over 3 million copies just in 14 days!
GameStop Earnings Surge In Second Quarter; Forecast In Line

AgentH

those sales figures are to stores. not actual sales.

and again, this thread is about how it just totally dropped of the radar and plummeted, not about how it sold when it first came out - so you fail :)

no, actually it didn't, try reading the article linked in this thread. and you might want to start backing up your assertions because many of them have been proven false in this thread. and i'm talking PS3, not multiplatform please stay on topic.

and again, it won't near 5 million at this rate considering your 4 million sold presently figure isn't to homes, and we don't count sales to stores around here ;)

And this is why it will be ported to the 360

Dont forget that a lot of Ps2 owners bought a 360 instead of a Ps3

ProductNumber49

[QUOTE="AgentH"]

[QUOTE="Cedmln"]IT still sold millions so and sold a lot of PS3s, so I don't see your point. No one said it would outsell games like GTA4 or Halo 3.3picuri3

MGS4 sales aren't that far behind the PS3 version of GTAIV. GTAIV is in the 4 million sold copies when it comes to the PS3 version. MGS4 is nearing the 4 million copies.

and GTAIV is still in the top 10 for sales on PS3, MGS4 isn't. that's the point of this thread, but thanks for drilling that point home for everyone ;) it's nearing 4 million sent to stores, read your sources carefully - and compare NPD and other REAL sales figures to that, it's not actually close to 4 million in peoples homes.

MGS4 bundles are still in the top 10 best selling items. WTF?

Seriously, WTF!?

Well I'm pretty sure MGS4 sold roughly as much as MGS3 did. And MGS4 is on a system with a 15 million userbase, while the PS2 had a 120,000,000 user base.

MGS4 did sell systems, incase you didnt see that for the last two or three months.

[QUOTE="AgentH"][QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="AgentH"]

This topic = FAIL. MGS4 sold more than 3 million copies in 14 days. ALL BUNDLES were SOLD OUT and they are still sold out at most Best Buys and in Amazon.com. Seriously, a fail. It's the fastest selling PS3 exclusive. Damn it that makes it even a much failure topic and useless thread. Try again later LEMS.

Read this:

MGS4 sold over 3 million copies just in 14 days!
GameStop Earnings Surge In Second Quarter; Forecast In Line

3picuri3

those sales figures are to stores. not actual sales.

and again, this thread is about how it just totally dropped of the radar and plummeted, not about how it sold when it first came out - so you fail :)

no, actually it didn't, try reading the article linked in this thread. and you might want to start backing up your assertions because many of them have been proven false in this thread. and i'm talking PS3, not multiplatform please stay on topic.

and again, it won't near 5 million at this rate considering your 4 million sold presently figure isn't to homes, and we don't count sales to stores around here ;)

http://kotaku.com/5033383/metal-gear-solid-4-is-a-giant-angry-sales-pac+man-ships-394m-copies

As of august 5, it shipped 3.94 million units world wide, if it was selling only 1.4 million, why the hell would they ship that many units.

[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="AgentH"][QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="AgentH"]

This topic = FAIL. MGS4 sold more than 3 million copies in 14 days. ALL BUNDLES were SOLD OUT and they are still sold out at most Best Buys and in Amazon.com. Seriously, a fail. It's the fastest selling PS3 exclusive. Damn it that makes it even a much failure topic and useless thread. Try again later LEMS.

Read this:

MGS4 sold over 3 million copies just in 14 days!
GameStop Earnings Surge In Second Quarter; Forecast In Line

liquidsnake1987

those sales figures are to stores. not actual sales.

and again, this thread is about how it just totally dropped of the radar and plummeted, not about how it sold when it first came out - so you fail :)

no, actually it didn't, try reading the article linked in this thread. and you might want to start backing up your assertions because many of them have been proven false in this thread. and i'm talking PS3, not multiplatform please stay on topic.

and again, it won't near 5 million at this rate considering your 4 million sold presently figure isn't to homes, and we don't count sales to stores around here ;)

http://kotaku.com/5033383/metal-gear-solid-4-is-a-giant-angry-sales-pac+man-ships-394m-copies

As of august 5, it shipped 3.94 million units world wide, if it was selling only 1.4 million, why the hell would they ship that many units.

let's get this straight. mgs4 shipped 3.94 million units to stores. they sold only 1.4 million of those units. they shipped out 3.94 million units because retailers called the manufacturer to place orders for certain amounts of units. the manufacturer doesn't just make millions upon million of units of a game if there is no demand for it and if the retail stores don't place orders for that many units. that would be a waste of time and resources.

now, selling to the consumer half of the stock that was shipped to the retailer is always a good thing. but for a game like mgs4, with all of the hype, critical acclaim, and advertising dollars that went into it, it should have sold out. it didn't. meaning that it wasn't the big system seller that it was suppose to be. true, it sold some consoles. but that was only a blip in the radar. the console sale was up only for ONE WEEK until they went back down to normal levels.

your link even states that they only SHIPPED 3.94 million units not sold. the top 10 best selling games of this year so far doesn't include mgs4. though eight of the top ten were listed, number eight was wii-fit with a total sale of 1.4 million. this is why i said that mgs4 sold less than 1.4 million copies. logically speaking, if number eight of the top ten sells 1.4 million copies, then numbers nine ten and the rest must've sold less than 1.4 million. if mgs4 sold 4 million copies TO THE CONSUMER, then it would have place third on that list. it didn't, meaning that mgs4 DID NOT SELL 4 MILLION COPIES TO THE CONSUMER. THEY ONLY SHIPPED THAT MUCH TO THE RETAILER. even konami's own quarterly earnings report says that they shipped 3.94 million units to retail stores. does this count as a sale? yes but only to konami. actual sales figures are based on the amount of units sold to the end-user/consumer. this is a better way of gauging actual sales figures because if the sales were based on how many units were sold to the retail stores, any and every company could pull off a MS and sell millions of unneeded units to the retail chains just so that they could show a larger number in their earnings.

in short, mgs4 SHIPPED 3.94 million units to stores.

of those nearly 4 million units, the sold under 1.4 million copies to the consumer.

the amount of mgs4 bundles sold are still unknown but what we do know is that they sold out and that the game managed to sell consoles for only one week. he amount of bundles that were made and shipped to stores is still unknown.

gamespot and system wars considers sales to consumers as actual sales, not sales to the retail stores (aka SHIPPED).

i hope you understand now.

sad to see oscar winning movie's sale drop so quick :(

sad to see oscar winning movie's sale drop so quick :(

mingo123

lol. i know you were joking but it is true. when was the last time you heard about Crash or American Gangster or Children of Men or There Will Be Blood making huge sales.

Movie with Gaming Situations 4 was a decent movie, but it's not oscar worthy.

Already sold 3 million which is very good.EVOLV3

please, for the love of all that is holy, read the links that were provided. the game shipped nearly 4 million. it sold less than 1.4 million worldwide.

exactly