Microsoft: 17.7 Million Xbox 360's sold

[QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"][QUOTE="jessie5788"][QUOTE="anotherhaloguy1"]

[QUOTE="jessie5788"]17.7 million isn't that impressive. the way lems hype the 360 you would think it would be past 20 million at least close to 25 million. given all of the the aaa games you would think that the 360 would have more sales. the 360 should sell more than it did in 06 but it sold less. jessie5788

The way the cows hype PS3 I'm suprised that it still hasn't passed 10 million.:?

Nice try at Damage Control.;)

wow the truth is considered to be damage control. take off the fanboy glasses.

Remind me, how much is the 360 again?

price isn't an excuse. it was higher in 06 and sold more than in 07. even with a markdown.

So did the PS2 in 2004.

I'm asking because the 360 is still not at the mass market price price. You know, the price point that over 85% is all PS2 owners bought their system at or less.

Nothing else?i_like_pizza

Sorry, in and out due to work, can't help not being able to respond ASAP.

So... the quote you provided clearly shows that you don't even mention the PS2 until the second post, but that somehow proves that it was your point all along? So you neglected to mention it (that your thoughts dwell on the 360/PS2 comparison) in the first post, even though it is the heart of your argument, due to... what? Serendipity? You clearly changed your argument part way through and are trying to clumsily cover it up, and somehow in doing this you provide a quoted thread chunk that actually proves it! Outstanding.

You have a problem with the selection this gen, but you singled out the 360 because you are tired of gloating lemmings. I get it. Unfortunately, and a casual walk through this thread proves it, it took you 2-3 pages to make this clear. We all make mistakes, its cool. So... does this mean that we're on speaking terms again? And that your silence admits quality CAN be relative?

Also, was there ever a point where someone DIDN'T admit that the PS2 lineup by the end was the bee's knees? You must have felt the need to make this point for some reason... but I forget, this wasn't your original point. Silly me.

[QUOTE="i_like_pizza"]Nothing else?dsmccracken

Sorry, in and out due to work, can't help not being able to respond ASAP.

So... the quote you provided clearly shows that you don't even mention the PS2 until the second post, but that somehow proves that it was your point all along? So you neglected to mention it (that your thoughts dwell on the 360/PS2 comparison) in the first post, even though it is the heart of your argument, due to... what? Serendipity? You clearly changed your argument part way through and are trying to clumsily cover it up, and somehow in doing this you provide a quoted thread chunk that actually proves it! Outstanding.

You have a problem with the selection this gen, but you singled out the 360 because you are tired of gloating lemmings. I get it. Unfortunately, and a casual walk through this thread proves it, it took you 2-3 pages to make this clear. We all make mistakes, its cool. So... does this mean that we're on speaking terms again? And that your silence admits quality CAN be relative?

Also, was there ever a point where someone DIDN'T admit that the PS2 lineup by the end was the bee's knees? You must have felt the need to make this point for some reason... but I forget, this wasn't your original point. Silly me.

Hahahahaaha. It doesn't need to prove it was my point all along. I was managing two threads, and I lost track of what I had said, and when you misrepresented my quote and said that I said that the 360 had the worst lineup of the current consoles, I forgot that the quote which you provided was the one that actually mentioned the PS2. The fact is, your only point that you were trying to make is now completely moot because you put words into my mouth, and failed to mention those which were most important and dismantled your false claim.

Seriously, people have a problem admitting they're wrong.

You've gotta be kidding me. Speaking terms? This is the internet. You know you'll never see me in your life so you can say whatever you want to say. You're trying to tell me I'm wrong after you CLEARLY missed what I had said in something that you actually quoted. It's not my fault you didn't read my whole post and just took what you wanted out of it to make me look bad.

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="i_like_pizza"][QUOTE="blackice1983"][QUOTE="i_like_pizza"]

That's a pretty dang sad year, considering the "great" titles they had this year. Apparently, if you just release a whole bunch of great titles toward one audience, it's not going to do anything to expand that audience. Whodathunkit?

If they want to ship more than 7 million 360s next year, they had better get some variety in their lineup. As it is, the 360 is a strong shooter console, but relatively weak in every other area.

Those are good numbers for Halo 3, considering that its already done better than Halo 1, and it will likely pass Halo 2 before the summer.

i_like_pizza

360 has the best console line-up and it has the most variety

It also has 12 months on the other consoles. Of course it will have the best line-up and the most variety. Even the Dreamcast had the best line-up and the most variety when it was released.... but that didn't work out so well, did it.

What I'm saying is that the 360 has a relatively weak line-up, considering the fact that people already know that greatness can be acheived (think PS2). The 360 is not a super-machine. It's a decent console with a great shooter line-up (by console standards).

Ok, so first you call the 360 line-up relatively weak in every other genre but shooters, then you say that it has the best line-up and variety (because of the head start as if getting the head start makes it cheating and therefore not count). So which is it?

You know what I find to be funnier than anything. In the post that you quoted here (and misrepreseted later in this thread), I actually said that the 360 is weak compared to the PS2. You have no point either way.

But it was all my faulth, right? You didn't misunderstand anything, did you? My bad. I was wrong.

For claiming to have such great reading comprehension skills and pestering me about this for 4 or 5 pages, you sure do need a lot of work in that area.

On the subject of humour, in your first post you say that the 360 lineup is "relatively weak" in all genres other than shooters, but you go on to say later in this thread that quality is not relative. So, how can something's quality be "relatively weak" when quality is not measured relatively? And how can someone who's purported entire point is to weakness of the 360 relative to the PS2 even say such a thing, when they don't believe it is even POSSIBLE to measure quality relatively? I am confused... and amused! But a terrible poet.

Hahahahaaha. It doesn't need to prove it was my point all along. I was managing two threads, and I lost track of what I had said, and when you misrepresented my quote and said that I said that the 360 had the worst lineup of the current consoles, I forgot that the quote which you provided was the one that actually mentioned the PS2. The fact is, your only point that you were trying to make is now completely moot because you put words into my mouth, and failed to mention those which were most important and dismantled your false claim.

Seriously, people have a problem admitting they're wrong.

You've gotta be kidding me. Speaking terms? This is the internet. You know you'll never see me in your life so you can say whatever you want to say. You're trying to tell me I'm wrong after you CLEARLY missed what I had said in something that you actually quoted. It's not my fault you didn't read my whole post and just took what you wanted out of it to make me look bad.

i_like_pizza

That's a lot of "when you said what I said what you said," anyone could get confused, so you get a pass on this one. You do indeed need to prove it was your point all along if you are going to claim I misinterpreted you. After all, a point can't be a moving target or ANY understanding is impossible. I didn't miss anything you said, I just never imagined you were actually making a point in the first post, but using invisible ink. I saw the PS2 mentioned in the 2nd post, but you can hardly claim it was your central concern or you would have mentioned it earlier.

Finally, people having a problem admitting they're wrong... that's not even the pot calling the kettle black, that's like a whole new level. That's like a pot calling the kettle... well, a pot!

As for the speaking terms thing, you said you weren't going to respond to me anymore, remember? Forgetful aren't we!

So wait, 17.7 Million to Retailers and about 12-15 Million to consumers?ZeroPunctuation

Lots and lots of inventory out there for sure.

They're still not anywhere near the units sold compared to the Xbox1. I'm just trying to figure out how many consoles they need to put in living rooms to start posting a profit for their gaming division. 30, 40 million? Who knows. This gen is obviously going further than a 5 year period, at least for MS and Sony.

To give a reference to the numbers, the 360 right now is on track to sell as much as the N64. That's around 34 million.Zhengi

I can't see sales getting worse after a true price drop. The main selling model is still $349.99

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]To give a reference to the numbers, the 360 right now is on track to sell as much as the N64. That's around 34 million.BreakingPoint8

Actually if sales are consistant it should hit 40 million without any difficulty. Just need to sell on average 8 million a year until the end of 2010 when the new Xbox will be launched. As long as hardware issues are resolved this shouldn't be a hard task.

I can't see sales getting worse after a true price drop. The main selling model is still $349.99

Nope, if the numbers are correct, it's back right on track with the N64.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9170692&postcount=384

[QUOTE="i_like_pizza"]

Hahahahaaha. It doesn't need to prove it was my point all along. I was managing two threads, and I lost track of what I had said, and when you misrepresented my quote and said that I said that the 360 had the worst lineup of the current consoles, I forgot that the quote which you provided was the one that actually mentioned the PS2. The fact is, your only point that you were trying to make is now completely moot because you put words into my mouth, and failed to mention those which were most important and dismantled your false claim.

Seriously, people have a problem admitting they're wrong.

You've gotta be kidding me. Speaking terms? This is the internet. You know you'll never see me in your life so you can say whatever you want to say. You're trying to tell me I'm wrong after you CLEARLY missed what I had said in something that you actually quoted. It's not my fault you didn't read my whole post and just took what you wanted out of it to make me look bad.

dsmccracken

That's a lot of "when you said what I said what you said," anyone could get confused, so you get a pass on this one. You do indeed need to prove it was your point all along if you are going to claim I misinterpreted you. After all, a point can't be a moving target or ANY understanding is impossible. I didn't miss anything you said, I just never imagined you were actually making a point in the first post, but using invisible ink. I saw the PS2 mentioned in the 2nd post, but you can hardly claim it was your central concern or you would have mentioned it earlier.

Finally, people having a problem admitting they're wrong... that's not even the pot calling the kettle black, that's like a whole new level. That's like a pot calling the kettle... well, a pot!

As for the speaking terms thing, you said you weren't going to respond to me anymore, remember? Forgetful aren't we!

Not forgetful. I just decided to go back through the post and read what I had said, and I realized that the very thing that you were arguing against was already addressed.

I said both that the 360 is relatively weak, and I said that it is weak. And guess what? I meant both of them.

Are you sure you should be replying to any of this, because you aren't getting anywhere.

[QUOTE="ZeroPunctuation"]So wait, 17.7 Million to Retailers and about 12-15 Million to consumers?mismajor99

Lots and lots of inventory out there for sure.

They're still not anywhere near the units sold compared to the Xbox1. I'm just trying to figure out how many consoles they need to put in living rooms to start posting a profit for their gaming division. 30, 40 million? Who knows. This gen is obviously going further than a 5 year period, at least for MS and Sony.

Their gaming division is already posting a profit.

Their gaming division is already posting a profit.

Yellow_Rose

That's impossible. There is no "gaming division."

[QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"]

Their gaming division is already posting a profit.

i_like_pizza

That's impossible. There is no "gaming division."

Well, I guess he meant the entertainment division that includes the Zune and other devices.

[QUOTE="i_like_pizza"][QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"]

Their gaming division is already posting a profit.

Zhengi

That's impossible. There is no "gaming division."

Well, I guess he meant the entertainment division that includes the Zune and other devices.

Boom, there you go. ;)

[QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"]

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]To give a reference to the numbers, the 360 right now is on track to sell as much as the N64. That's around 34 million.Zhengi

Actually if sales are consistant it should hit 40 million without any difficulty. Just need to sell on average 8 million a year until the end of 2010 when the new Xbox will be launched. As long as hardware issues are resolved this shouldn't be a hard task.

I can't see sales getting worse after a true price drop. The main selling model is still $349.99

Nope, if the numbers are correct, it's back right on track with the N64.

It's nice to post sales charts but you're not taking into account what's happening in the real world.

[QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="i_like_pizza"][QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"]

Their gaming division is already posting a profit.

Yellow_Rose

That's impossible. There is no "gaming division."

Well, I guess he meant the entertainment division that includes the Zune and other devices.

Boom, there you go. ;)

"The Entertainment & Devices Division is a global division comprising five main businesses: Interactive Entertainment Business, home to the Xbox® and Games for Windows® gaming platforms; Mobile Communications Business, which develops and markets Windows Mobile software, services and applications; Music Business, developers of the Zune® portable entertainment devices and services; Video Business, which includes Microsoft® TV and eHome groups; and the Specialized Devices and Applications Business, which includes PC Hardware, Microsoft® Surface, Mac Office, Microsoft® Auto, and Windows Embedded software."

With all of those things contributing, I think it's a little hasty to say that it's because of Xbox 360 that the entertainment and devices division of MS is making money.

[QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"]

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]To give a reference to the numbers, the 360 right now is on track to sell as much as the N64. That's around 34 million.BreakingPoint8

Actually if sales are consistant it should hit 40 million without any difficulty. Just need to sell on average 8 million a year until the end of 2010 when the new Xbox will be launched. As long as hardware issues are resolved this shouldn't be a hard task.

I can't see sales getting worse after a true price drop. The main selling model is still $349.99

Nope, if the numbers are correct, it's back right on track with the N64.

It's nice to post sales charts but you're not taking into account what's happening in the real world.

How did it sell 8 million to consumers this year? They shipped 7.3 million, and even with the overstock at the end of last year just to meet their quota, I don't think there is any way they could have reached 8 million this year. I think 7 million is a much better guess. They sold over 8 million in the first year, then they sold less with a price drop and a strong software year. Why don't you think it's possible that they drop a little?

360 is on track to sale like the Genesis did back in the 90s.

It still is the #1 game console in the nation right now too.

[QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"]

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]To give a reference to the numbers, the 360 right now is on track to sell as much as the N64. That's around 34 million.BreakingPoint8

Actually if sales are consistant it should hit 40 million without any difficulty. Just need to sell on average 8 million a year until the end of 2010 when the new Xbox will be launched. As long as hardware issues are resolved this shouldn't be a hard task.

I can't see sales getting worse after a true price drop. The main selling model is still $349.99

Nope, if the numbers are correct, it's back right on track with the N64.

It's nice to post sales charts but you're not taking into account what's happening in the real world.

What's so hard to believe about that? The 360 had its biggest game released in 2007 in Halo 3 along with all the AAA titles that MS fanboys like to throw around and a price drop, and yet MS shipped less units this year than last year. As for sales to customers, they've probably increased a bit, but probably not enough worldwide. Even with GTA4 and another price drop, there's no guarantee that they'll have another explosion in sales as that game is a multiplat and the other consoles can also drop price.

As for the sales charts, those numbers actually happened in the real world. I'm not sure where you're from, but the N64, Xbox, and GCN numbers come from financial statements that Nintendo and Microsoft release to their investors. The 360 numbers are the same and will be updated with MS' next financial statement. How are these not from the real world again?

360 is on track to sale like the Genesis did back in the 90s.

It still is the #1 game console in the nation right now too.

c_smithii

Facts or link please?

[QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"][QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="i_like_pizza"][QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"]

Their gaming division is already posting a profit.

i_like_pizza

That's impossible. There is no "gaming division."

Well, I guess he meant the entertainment division that includes the Zune and other devices.

Boom, there you go. ;)

"The Entertainment & Devices Division is a global division comprising five main businesses: Interactive Entertainment Business, home to the Xbox® and Games for Windows® gaming platforms; Mobile Communications Business, which develops and markets Windows Mobile software, services and applications; Music Business, developers of the Zune® portable entertainment devices and services; Video Business, which includes Microsoft® TV and eHome groups; and the Specialized Devices and Applications Business, which includes PC Hardware, Microsoft® Surface, Mac Office, Microsoft® Auto, and Windows Embedded software."

With all of those things contributing, I think it's a little hasty to say that it's because of Xbox 360 that the entertainment and devices division of MS is making money.

That's funny. When the division was posting losses, fanboys here were quick to blame the Xbox.

And I guess their 1st party games selling 8 million and 1.6 million don't have an influence, right?

[QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"][QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"]

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]To give a reference to the numbers, the 360 right now is on track to sell as much as the N64. That's around 34 million.Zhengi

Actually if sales are consistant it should hit 40 million without any difficulty. Just need to sell on average 8 million a year until the end of 2010 when the new Xbox will be launched. As long as hardware issues are resolved this shouldn't be a hard task.

I can't see sales getting worse after a true price drop. The main selling model is still $349.99

Nope, if the numbers are correct, it's back right on track with the N64.

It's nice to post sales charts but you're not taking into account what's happening in the real world.

What's so hard to believe about that? The 360 had its biggest game released in 2007 in Halo 3 along with all the AAA titles that MS fanboys like to throw around and a price drop, and yet MS shipped less units this year than last year. As for sales to customers, they've probably increased a bit, but probably not enough worldwide. Even with GTA4 and another price drop, there's no guarantee that they'll have another explosion in sales as that game is a multiplat and the other consoles can also drop price.

As for the sales charts, those numbers actually happened in the real world. I'm not sure where you're from, but the N64, Xbox, and GCN numbers come from financial statements that Nintendo and Microsoft release to their investors. The 360 numbers are the same and will be updated with MS' next financial statement. How are these not from the real world again?

Twoquestions.

When did the MS's price drop happened?

And when did their big games (and apparently according to you the only good games the 360 will ever get) release?

[QUOTE="c_smithii"]

360 is on track to sale like the Genesis did back in the 90s.

It still is the #1 game console in the nation right now too.

Zhengi

Facts or link please?

fact or link? Don't you follow console sales? You seem to be one of the few posters that does. Don't tell me you don't know that Xbox 360's total units sales out beat the competition here in the States. 360 is the current leader in the next generation.

I guess this proves VGChartz wrong again ,which has the 360 at 16 odd million sold?GazzaB

No, it's doesn't, actually. MS releases shipment numbers. VGChartz used to post data based on company's shipment numbers, but have recently taken to other methods to collect data and guess a little at the actual sell-through numbers. 16 million is likely very close to the sell-through number.

[QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="c_smithii"]

360 is on track to sale like the Genesis did back in the 90s.

It still is the #1 game console in the nation right now too.

c_smithii

Facts or link please?

fact or link? Don't you follow console sales? You seem to be one of the few posters that does. Don't tell me you don't know that Xbox 360's total units sales out beat the competition here in the States. 360 is the current leader in the next generation.

It will be caught in the US very soon, and you know that. It's getting obliterated every month.

I think what zhengi was referring to was your claim that the 360 is on pace with the Genesis. Where did that claim come from?

Twoquestions.

When did the MS's price drop happened?

And when did their big games (and apparently according to you the only good games the 360 will ever get) release?

Yellow_Rose

The price drop happened the month before Halo 3 was released in August. It received a bump of 100,000 compared to the previous month.

Jul/2007 170,000

Aug/2007 277,000

As for your second question, let me preface it by saying I didn't say the 360 would never get good games again. I'm saying admist MS' self proclaimed greatest holiday line up ever, the 360 was not able to scrap more console sales than the Wii. Did they have great sales though? No doubt they did especially during the holidays. But, what makes anyone think that this will continue when its greatest holiday line up ever has already occurred? Even if they have another greatest holiday line up ever next year, there's no guarantee that it'll sell more consoles than it did this year.

So getting back to my point, the console will sell, but it's right on track with the same numbers as the N64. This isn't a bad number since it ended around 34 million. It's certainly better than what the Xbox posted. This is all I'm saying based on the data from the past and the current data. I'm sorry if some fanboys can't take this, but data is data.

[QUOTE="c_smithii"][QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="c_smithii"]

360 is on track to sale like the Genesis did back in the 90s.

It still is the #1 game console in the nation right now too.

i_like_pizza

Facts or link please?

fact or link? Don't you follow console sales? You seem to be one of the few posters that does. Don't tell me you don't know that Xbox 360's total units sales out beat the competition here in the States. 360 is the current leader in the next generation.

It will be caught in the US very soon, and you know that. It's getting obliterated every month.

I think what zhengi was referring to was your claim that the 360 is on pace with the Genesis. Where did that claim come from?

I made the claim, and you can't disprove that it isn't. The Xbox 360 might even do better, the Genesis dominated the 16-bit market in the US till 1994 that's a 5 year reign, since it debuted in 1989.

Xbox 360 launched in 2005, and to this day it still leads the US console race in total units sold.

[QUOTE="i_like_pizza"][QUOTE="c_smithii"][QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="c_smithii"]

360 is on track to sale like the Genesis did back in the 90s.

It still is the #1 game console in the nation right now too.

c_smithii

Facts or link please?

fact or link? Don't you follow console sales? You seem to be one of the few posters that does. Don't tell me you don't know that Xbox 360's total units sales out beat the competition here in the States. 360 is the current leader in the next generation.

It will be caught in the US very soon, and you know that. It's getting obliterated every month.

I think what zhengi was referring to was your claim that the 360 is on pace with the Genesis. Where did that claim come from?

I made the claim, and you can't disprove that it isn't. The Xbox 360 might even do better, the Genesis dominated the 16-bit market in the US till 1994 that's a 5 year reign, since it debuted in 1989.

Xbox 360 launched in 2005, and to this day it still leads the US console race in total units sold.

Huh, the SNES sold better the entire time it was out, not to mention the monster that was the NES for the first couple years of the Genesis. If you don't have any proof, just get out. The SNES wiped the floor with the Genesis.

[QUOTE="c_smithii"][QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="c_smithii"]

360 is on track to sale like the Genesis did back in the 90s.

It still is the #1 game console in the nation right now too.

i_like_pizza

Facts or link please?

fact or link? Don't you follow console sales? You seem to be one of the few posters that does. Don't tell me you don't know that Xbox 360's total units sales out beat the competition here in the States. 360 is the current leader in the next generation.

It will be caught in the US very soon, and you know that. It's getting obliterated every month.

I think what zhengi was referring to was your claim that the 360 is on pace with the Genesis. Where did that claim come from?

Yeah, that's what I was referring to. Genesis sold around 50 mil. I don't think the 360 is on pace to reach that number. It might surprise and take a spike up there, but currently, it's not at that pace yet.

Halo 3 costed $50 million to make. With an average price of $70, that would give them $560,000,000 in revenue (the 8 mllion is sold to retailers, but they will eventually sell-through as well, so I'll count that as money in their pocket). Let's just say that they're operating at a 20% margin (which is a great margin, btw), that would give them $112 million, or $62 million after factoring in development cost. That's not exactly a HUGE number.

The 20% margin is just a guess, and if you have a number that you know to be more accurate, go ahead and let me know, but 20% is a good margin, in most cases. Nintendo, as a whole, is probably the smartest company in the world, financially, and they operate at about a 24% margin, and they're in the same business.

Also, it's easy to blame the 360 for losses when MS has to take out a $1 billion charge against losses due to the RRoD

i_like_pizza

Would like some proof that Halo cost $50 to produce. And you need to explain this "margin" because as a publisher with their own distribution channel, they get no less than $45 for each game copy they sell to retail. Retailers only get like a $5 -10 profit off each new game they sell. I had aGamestop District Manager to tell me this.

And this is just hypocritical. As this was done before the $1 billion charge-off.

[QUOTE="jessie5788"]17.7 million isn't that impressive. the way lems hype the 360 you would think it would be past 20 million at least close to 25 million. given all of the the aaa games you would think that the 360 would have more sales. the 360 should sell more than it did in 06 but it sold less. anotherhaloguy1

The way the cows hype PS3 I'm suprised that it still hasn't passed 10 million.:?

Nice try at Damage Control.;)

[QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"][QUOTE="i_like_pizza"][QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"][QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="i_like_pizza"][QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"]

Their gaming division is already posting a profit.

i_like_pizza

That's impossible. There is no "gaming division."

Well, I guess he meant the entertainment division that includes the Zune and other devices.

Boom, there you go. ;)

"The Entertainment & Devices Division is a global division comprising five main businesses: Interactive Entertainment Business, home to the Xbox® and Games for Windows® gaming platforms; Mobile Communications Business, which develops and markets Windows Mobile software, services and applications; Music Business, developers of the Zune® portable entertainment devices and services; Video Business, which includes Microsoft® TV and eHome groups; and the Specialized Devices and Applications Business, which includes PC Hardware, Microsoft® Surface, Mac Office, Microsoft® Auto, and Windows Embedded software."

With all of those things contributing, I think it's a little hasty to say that it's because of Xbox 360 that the entertainment and devices division of MS is making money.

That's funny. When the division was posting losses, fanboys here were quick to blame the Xbox.

And I guess their 1st party games selling 8 million and 1.6 million don't have an influence, right?

Halo 3 costed $50 million to make. With an average price of $70, that would give them $560,000,000 in revenue (the 8 mllion is sold to retailers, but they will eventually sell-through as well, so I'll count that as money in their pocket). Let's just say that they're operating at a 20% margin (which is a great margin, btw), that would give them $112 million, or $62 million after factoring in development cost. That's not exactly a HUGE number.

The 20% margin is just a guess, and if you have a number that you know to be more accurate, go ahead and let me know, but 20% is a good margin, in most cases. Nintendo, as a whole, is probably the smartest company in the world, financially, and they operate at about a 24% margin, and they're in the same business.

Also, it's easy to blame the 360 for losses when MS has to take out a $1 billion charge against losses due to the RRoD

Because you are OBVIOUSLY the head of accounting at MicroSoft :roll:

Huh, the SNES sold better the entire time it was out, not to mention the monster that was the NES for the first couple years of the Genesis. If you don't have any proof, just get out. The SNES wiped the floor with the Genesis.

i_like_pizza

Wrong.

The Genesis was beating the SNES for over a year and a half until Street Fighter II came out for SNES.

proof coming.

-17.7 Million 360's Sols

-Halo 3 shipped 8.1 million

-1.6 million Mass effect copies sold

I see this as very good news for Microsoft can't wait to see the sales figures for the other systems....

kotaku.com/340355/microsoft-brags-about-sales-moves-mass effect sorry i couldnt link it stupid Mozilla :(

UnrealSin_X

"OMG why do sheep always whine and only care about sales?"

"I'm so tired of hearing constant sales talks from sheep"

"Games matter, not sales"

Uhhhh....... What is going on here?

But anyways, congratulations to 360. I'm glad it's doing well.

[QUOTE="i_like_pizza"]

Huh, the SNES sold better the entire time it was out, not to mention the monster that was the NES for the first couple years of the Genesis. If you don't have any proof, just get out. The SNES wiped the floor with the Genesis.

Yellow_Rose

Wrong.

The Genesis was beating the SNES for over a year and a half until Street Fighter II came out for SNES.

proof coming.

I would believe it if you're talking about NA only, but worldwide? No way. I'd accept it if you could prove me wrong, but from what I can remember of all the numbers I've seen, the SNES sold better worldwide at all times.

What is so hard for you to understand? They shipped 10.4 million last year and sold around 8 million to consumers, they shipped 7.3 million this year and sold 8 million to consumers having over 1 million still left in stores. This would put the Xbox 360 total sales at 16 million, is this so hard to believe? They had to cut shipments from 15 million in Q2 to 11.6 million because of the hardware failures, despite this they still managed to sell on par with last year.

You're comparing the Xbox 360 and N64 sales history, considering they are vastly different consoles in a very different environment I find this arguement to be half assed at best. The Nintendo 64 didn't have thid-party support, it launched for $199 and it's games were expenisve because of the cartridge format. The Xbox 360 has the best third-party support, it launchd for $399 and it's games are cheaper than the cartdriges used back in 1996-2001. The Xbox 360 was also the first to launch this generation which gained it alot of third-party support, the N64 didn't launch until 1 year after the Sega Saturn and Sony Playstation.

This magic price drop was $30 dollars off of the gimp model, $50 dollars off of the main console bringing it down to $349, still no where near the $199 sweet spot.

You Nintendo fanboys are awfully defensive when it comes to sales, so much so that you can't even look at the market rationally. The Grand Theft Auto 4 fear is kind of amusing though.

Because you are OBVIOUSLY the head of accounting at MicroSoft :roll:

BambooBanger

I made the claim, and you can't disprove it.

[QUOTE="i_like_pizza"][QUOTE="c_smithii"][QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="c_smithii"]

360 is on track to sale like the Genesis did back in the 90s.

It still is the #1 game console in the nation right now too.

Zhengi

Facts or link please?

fact or link? Don't you follow console sales? You seem to be one of the few posters that does. Don't tell me you don't know that Xbox 360's total units sales out beat the competition here in the States. 360 is the current leader in the next generation.

It will be caught in the US very soon, and you know that. It's getting obliterated every month.

I think what zhengi was referring to was your claim that the 360 is on pace with the Genesis. Where did that claim come from?

Yeah, that's what I was referring to. Genesis sold around 50 mil. I don't think the 360 is on pace to reach that number. It might surprise and take a spike up there, but currently, it's not at that pace yet.

Actually SNES sold about50 million total, Genesis about 35 million to date.

[QUOTE="BambooBanger"]

Because you are OBVIOUSLY the head of accounting at MicroSoft :roll:

Yellow_Rose

I-like-pizza has a habit of pulling stuff out of his posteroir to make himself sound smart and hoping no one challenges him.

Like what? You don't know me.

I even said that I have no clue if 20% is the right number, but I do know for a fact that it is a extremely high profit margin, so I was giving MS the benefit of the doubt on that. And just because retailers keep a small percentage of profits doesn't mean that it costs nothing to make the game, ship it, maintain factories, hire employees, etc... I gave them the high REVENUE that you're demanding, but REVENUE =/= PROFIT.

EDIT: Oh, and just in case you missed it, I actually gave MS 100% revenue retention, and figuring a $70 average sale price, which might actually be generous. I'm giving MS every benefit of the doubt that I can on this.

What is so hard for you to understand? They shipped 10.4 million last year and sold around 8 million to consumers, they shipped 7.3 million this year and sold 8 million to consumers having over 1 million still left in stores. This would put the Xbox 360 total sales at 16 million, is this so hard to believe? They had to cut shipments from 15 million in Q2 to 11.6 million because of the hardware failures, despite this they still managed to sell on par with last year.

You're comparing the Xbox 360 and N64 sales history, considering they are vastly different consoles in a very different environment I find this arguement to be half assed at best. The Nintendo 64 didn't have thid-party support, it launched for $199 and it's games were expenisve because of the cartridge format. The Xbox 360 has the best third-party support, it launchd for $399 and it's games are cheaper than the cartdriges used back in 1996-2001. The Xbox 360 was also the first to launch this generation which gained it alot of third-party support, the N64 didn't launch until 1 year after the Sega Saturn and Sony Playstation.

This magic price drop was $30 dollars off of the gimp model, $50 dollars off of the main console bringing it down to $349, still no where near the $199 sweet spot.

You Nintendo fanboys are awfully defensive when it comes to sales, so much so that you can't even look at the market rationally. The Grand Theft Auto 4 fear is kind of amusing though.

BreakingPoint8

With PS3's huge hitters, the Wii's constant stream of great sales, and GTA4 coming out -- this will be a very close race indeed.

Oh, and here's a link for development cost. It's from the LA Times.

http://doubleparity.net/2007/09/60m-for-halo-3