Microsoft: 17.7 Million Xbox 360's sold

Not forgetful. I just decided to go back through the post and read what I had said, and I realized that the very thing that you were arguing against was already addressed.

I said both that the 360 is relatively weak, and I said that it is weak. And guess what? I meant both of them.

Are you sure you should be replying to any of this, because you aren't getting anywhere.

i_like_pizza

Of course I'm not getting anywhere, but if we just gave up, how would we care for the autistic?

You also said quality can't be measured relatively. Did you mean that? You are a silly rabbit. The 360 lineup is weak next to the PS2, no one can deny this. So is the lineup for the other two of the 3 stooges. You don't seem to be so intent on hammering that fact home... but I'm here to lend you a hand. No charge. As for why they are weak compared to the PS2, well, probably for the same reason that the PS2 lineup sucked in ITS second year in comparison to the SNES... that and the fact that games take so much more time and money to pump out.

Where's that proof?i_like_pizza

Here's some.

"Sonic was released to replace former mascot Alex Kidd, and to provide the "killer app" that Sega needed.[10] This sparked what became one of the greatest console wars in video gaming history......The console did not have a major competitor in Europe until the launch of the SNES in 1992. But unlike in North America, Nintendo's 16-bit console did not outsell the Mega Drive, even with the release of the British-madeDonkey Kong Country in 1994. The market share in Europe was always favorable to Sega, which enjoyed a strong position until withdrawing from the 16-bit market." - LINK

...better proof coming.

The ultimate reason the SNES won the war is because SNES smashed the Genesis to pieces in Japan.

USA:

SNES: 25 million
SMD : 20 million

Europe:

SNES: 6 million
SMD : 8 million

Japan:

SNES: 20 million
SMD : 3 million

[QUOTE="i_like_pizza"]Where's that proof?Yellow_Rose

Did you not see where I asked for worldwide proof? The PS3 is getting slaughtered by the 360 in NA for the past few months, but has actually been outselling it worldwide (or at least very close). So, which matters? Consoles sell to the world, not just to one region or one country.

That said, I am surprised that the Genesis did better than the SNES in Europe. If that's true, I'm actually quite shocked. But, considering that the market then is much different than the market now, I guess it shouldn't be that hard to believe. The SNES sold virtually NOTHING in Europe because Nintendo didn't seem to show any interest in it until the mid 90's

Genesis or Megadrive (Genesis sounded way more cooler) never got a break in Japan. Japan played Sega like a it was its Japanese step-child over there. But Sega was slaughtering Nintendo in America.

Unlike the NES vs Master System were Nintendo completely destroyed its competition, the tables were turned in early 90s, and Nintendo was playing catch-up to Sega.

I read reports that Nintendo didn't even think 16-bit was necessary in the beginning, they thought they would ride outthe early 90s out NES style. (Although judging by the massive success Super Mario Bros. 3 was, I can't really blame them for being cocky like that)

Sonic the Hedgehogaka the Mario killer of the 90s. The game crushed Mario World and Mario World 2.

I still praise Sega for launching Sonic in the fashion they did, dropped in 1991 right during SNES US launch.

But again that Donkey Kong Country blind sided us :|

Genesis or Megadrive (Genesis sounded way more cooler) never got a break in Japan. Japan played Sega like a it was its Japanese step-child over there. But Sega was slaughtering Nintendo in America.

Unlike the NES vs Master System were Nintendo completely destroyed, the tables were turned, and Nintendo was playing catch-up to Sega in the early 90s.

I read reports that Nintendo didn't even think 16-bit was necessary in the beginning, Nintendo thought they were going to ride the early 90s out NES style. (Although judging by the massive success Super Mario Bros. 3 was, I can't blame em for being cocky)

Sonic the Hedgehog aka the Mario killer of the 90s. The game crushed Mario World and Mario World 2.

But again that Donkey Kong Country blind sided us :|

c_smithii

Again, you provide nothing but your own words. At least others provide links and such.

[QUOTE="c_smithii"]

Genesis or Megadrive (Genesis sounded way more cooler) never got a break in Japan. Japan played Sega like a it was its Japanese step-child over there. But Sega was slaughtering Nintendo in America.

Unlike the NES vs Master System were Nintendo completely destroyed, the tables were turned, and Nintendo was playing catch-up to Sega in the early 90s.

I read reports that Nintendo didn't even think 16-bit was necessary in the beginning, Nintendo thought they were going to ride the early 90s out NES style. (Although judging by the massive success Super Mario Bros. 3 was, I can't blame em for being cocky)

Sonic the Hedgehog aka the Mario killer of the 90s. The game crushed Mario World and Mario World 2.

But again that Donkey Kong Country blind sided us :|

i_like_pizza

Again, you provide nothing but your own words. At least others provide links and such.

Do you have access to library databases? I'm in college in andI do, and all you have to do is look up Super Nintendo and Genesis and sort the search between 1990-1994, and you will get a ton of data from sources like Newsweek, NPD, providing these details. If you look hard, you can find them on the web google searching.

The ultimate reason the SNES won the war is because SNES smashed the Genesis to pieces in Japan.

USA:

SNES: 25 million
SMD : 20 million

Europe:

SNES: 6 million
SMD : 8 million

Japan:

SNES: 20 million
SMD : 3 million

Cristallis

And the Genesis was one of the best Consoles ever,

Just because Ninendo won doesnt take anything away from Sega.

I cant believe those Halo 3 numbers, unless they are shipped, because i see copies of the game EVERYWHERE. Honestly, that would be more sold than both H1 and H2... generally sequels sell WORSE than the predescor.

helium_flash

H1 sold right around 6 million, H2 sold around 9 million. It still has another million to catch H2. In the end, H3 will be the best selling Halo game period. It could very well outsell the both of them combined considering there will be a lot more 360s sold over the rest of this generation and I'm sure H3 has a ways to go before it stops selling as well.

Oh and good numbers for MS. They are basically averaging about 9 million consoles sold per year so far and that is impressive considering the price of the console. Once prices start to drop next year and beyond, plus HDTVs continue their rise in house holds, the 360 will only sell more in the future. They are also very close to selling more than the original in half the time it took the XBOX which is also impressive considering the price and all.

I'm surprised they didn't mention their XBL user numbers, which is probably nearing that 10 million mark, considering it was 7 million back in July.

[QUOTE="TheOwnerOner"][It dont need a 9 million advantage,

as if right now, the PS3 is a software selling bimbo.

a portion if the owners dont even know their Blu Ray Player plays games.

Koalakommander

So Assassin's Creed and Call of Duty 4 each selling over a million on PS3 means nothing to you? And the fact that GT is one of the best selling franchises in the history of gaming also counts for nothing?

GT doesnt have the luxury of a 100 million install base this time around,

although, gears did sell 4 million on 4 months,

and thats with only an 8 million install base,

yeah, gears kicks ass, Halo all over again for MS.

So Assassin's Creed and Call of Duty 4 each selling over a million on PS3 means nothing to you? And the fact that GT is one of the best selling franchises in the history of gaming also counts for nothing?

Koalakommander

So 4 million selling games in its first year, with the Wii having 15 games its first year and the 360 had the same.

Where's Heavenly Sword? Where's Warhawk? Where's Ratchet & Clank? Where's Uncharted?

[QUOTE="Koalakommander"]

So Assassin's Creed and Call of Duty 4 each selling over a million on PS3 means nothing to you? And the fact that GT is one of the best selling franchises in the history of gaming also counts for nothing?

Yellow_Rose

So 4 million selling games in its first year, with the Wii having 15 games its first year and the 360 had the same.

Where's Heavenly Sword? Where's Warhawk? Where's Ratchet & Clank? Where's Uncharted?

Considering the PS3's library I find that pretty decent.

Heavenly Sword wouldnt touch one million, even if it turned out as AAA.

Look at Warhawk, then comeback and tell me your suprised.

PS2 owners haven't come into the new generation for good reason -- their games arn't out yet. If they have entered the gen they were either previous Xbox owners, or PS2 owners and went with the Wii.

Ratchet and Uncharted both soild 500-600k copies each. Decent for Uncharted, not as expected for Ratchet -- but again this shows that all the fans of the series don't own the system yet -- and are either conent with their Wii or waiting for a system selling game to come out.

GT5 is that system seller (or MGS4). And to the other guy, GT3 sold 12 million when PS2 wasnt anywhere near the 100 million userbase.

Yellow, I know you are pro-360, but I also know your a logical person. I know there are bad cows, as there are lemmings and sheep. But if you honestly thought Ratchet, Uncharted, Heavenly Sword,and Warhawk were going to give big results in 2007 than that's not realistic thinking.

The PS3 had a bad starting year, but compared to the 360's first year than we can practically call it even. 360 has the amazing attach rates with the not so impressive hardware sales. We will see if the big games in 2008-2009 help the PS3 in a significant way -- im calling that they will.

360 sales arnt bad. It's just not what was expected given that every major franchise for the 360 is already released (save for Fable and Ninja Gaiden).

What is so hard for you to understand? They shipped 10.4 million last year and sold around 8 million to consumers, they shipped 7.3 million this year and sold 8 million to consumers having over 1 million still left in stores. This would put the Xbox 360 total sales at 16 million, is this so hard to believe? They had to cut shipments from 15 million in Q2 to 11.6 million because of the hardware failures, despite this they still managed to sell on par with last year.

You're comparing the Xbox 360 and N64 sales history, considering they are vastly different consoles in a very different environment I find this arguement to be half assed at best. The Nintendo 64 didn't have thid-party support, it launched for $199 and it's games were expenisve because of the cartridge format. The Xbox 360 has the best third-party support, it launchd for $399 and it's games are cheaper than the cartdriges used back in 1996-2001. The Xbox 360 was also the first to launch this generation which gained it alot of third-party support, the N64 didn't launch until 1 year after the Sega Saturn and Sony Playstation.

This magic price drop was $30 dollars off of the gimp model, $50 dollars off of the main console bringing it down to $349, still no where near the $199 sweet spot.

You Nintendo fanboys are awfully defensive when it comes to sales, so much so that you can't even look at the market rationally. The Grand Theft Auto 4 fear is kind of amusing though.

BreakingPoint8

No one is claiming that the 360 and N64 are similar systems. I'm just saying it's on pace with the N64. And despite everything you said, if you look at the chart, the 360 has been going around the same pace as the N64. It fell below the N64 in 2007 and it's come right back up to be on pace with it. Despite this, you're still trying to argue that some kind of super spike will occur and the 360 will magically sell a lot more than the N64? You're sounding more fanboyish than I am.

[QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"][QUOTE="Koalakommander"]

So Assassin's Creed and Call of Duty 4 each selling over a million on PS3 means nothing to you? And the fact that GT is one of the best selling franchises in the history of gaming also counts for nothing?

Koalakommander

So 4 million selling games in its first year, with the Wii having 15 games its first year and the 360 had the same.

Where's Heavenly Sword? Where's Warhawk? Where's Ratchet & Clank? Where's Uncharted?

Considering the PS3's library I find that pretty decent.

Heavenly Sword wouldnt touch one million, even if it turned out as AAA.

Look at Warhawk, then comeback and tell me your suprised.

PS2 owners haven't come into the new generation for good reason -- their games arn't out yet. If they have entered the gen they were either previous Xbox owners, or PS2 owners and went with the Wii.

Ratchet and Uncharted both soild 500-600k copies each. Decent for Uncharted, not as expected for Ratchet -- but again this shows that all the fans of the series don't own the system yet -- and are either conent with their Wii or waiting for a system selling game to come out.

GT5 is that system seller (or MGS4). And to the other guy, GT3 sold 12 million when PS2 wasnt anywhere near the 100 million userbase.

Yellow, I know you are pro-360, but I also know your a logical person. I know there are bad cows, as there are lemmings and sheep. But if you honestly thought Ratchet, Uncharted, Heavenly Sword,and Warhawk were going to give big results in 2007 than that's not realistic thinking.

The PS3 had a bad starting year, but compared to the 360's first year than we can practically call it even. 360 has the amazing attach rates with the not so impressive hardware sales. We will see if the big games in 2008-2009 help the PS3 in a significant way -- im calling that they will.

360 sales arnt bad. It's just not what was expected given that every major franchise for the 360 is already released (save for Fable and Ninja Gaiden).

Man,I bust a gut laughing when I saw this thread.

"I'm so tired of hearing constant sales talks from the sheep"

"Sheep didn't care about sales until they were winning"

"Console sales mean nothing"

"We don't play sales"

A 360 console sales thread... SURELY NOT! I mean, what about the noble lemmings? Surely THEY would never stoop so low as to use console sales.

I mean, the software sales and attach ratio argumentswere hypocritical enough... and then this?

And it's not even console sold--it's consoles shipped to retailers.

What a friggin' joke.

--ProtoMan--

Erm, its not just a sales thread, it's an official sales thread from a press release straight from the horses mouth.

I fail to see whats wrong with that, get a clue.