[QUOTE="ziggyww"][QUOTE="HadOne2Many"] Yeah because absolutely no one already pays for this :roll:HadOne2ManyI don't think anyone does!!! I don't know of anyone that has a satellite or cable subscription and a digital box to watch it through, Then hook it up to a third party device to then be told that you can no longer access your TV again unless you unplug it or pay us $50 each year for no reason. It is a con and uncalled for. At first I just didn't like the X1 even though I have a 360 but now I find myself hating Microsoft more and more. You are acting as if this is the reason people have gold. People buy gold to play Xbox games online. The rest of these features are secondary. Yes they are trying to get more subscribers and make those who already subscribe feel like they are getting an added value for our money, but even if all these features were free and only online gaming was behind the wall, we'd still pay it because that's the feature we really want. I think the point he is making is that these seconday features should not be behind a paywall. What about those people that have absolutely no interest in MP and online gaming. If they dont pay for gold a lot of the features that makes the xone appealing are not accessible and basically the system is like a beefed up 360. It is unfair and wrong to have to pay for services that people already pay for (cable, netflix, etc...) Looking at it from the point of view of "I already pay for it and play online so it doensnt affect me" is wrong because its pretty much telling Microsoft its ok to charge for these services that should be free and in turn gives a less likely chance of them changing it. Its greedy corporate BS. If Sony can provide these services free of charge (use of IE, apps like netflix, F2P games, etc..) why can't Microsoft?
Microsoft announced what's behind the Xbox Live paywall for XB1...
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I think the point he is making is that these seconday features should not be behind a paywall. What about those people that have absolutely no interest in MP and online gaming. If they dont pay for gold a lot of the features that makes the xone appealing are not accessible and basically the system is like a beefed up 360. It is unfair and wrong to have to pay for services that people already pay for (cable, netflix, etc...) Looking at it from the point of view of "I already pay for it and play online so it doensnt affect me" is wrong because its pretty much telling Microsoft its ok to charge for these services that should be free and in turn gives a less likely chance of them changing it. Its greedy corporate BS. If Sony can provide these services free of charge (use of IE, apps like netflix, F2P games, etc..) why can't Microsoft?PS4TrumpsXbox1Are you stalking me now?
[QUOTE="PS4TrumpsXbox1"]I think the point he is making is that these seconday features should not be behind a paywall. What about those people that have absolutely no interest in MP and online gaming. If they dont pay for gold a lot of the features that makes the xone appealing are not accessible and basically the system is like a beefed up 360. It is unfair and wrong to have to pay for services that people already pay for (cable, netflix, etc...) Looking at it from the point of view of "I already pay for it and play online so it doensnt affect me" is wrong because its pretty much telling Microsoft its ok to charge for these services that should be free and in turn gives a less likely chance of them changing it. Its greedy corporate BS. If Sony can provide these services free of charge (use of IE, apps like netflix, F2P games, etc..) why can't Microsoft?HadOne2ManyAre you stalking me now? No, just a coincidence, I guess we visit the same type of threads..... Scared that im gonna own you again are you??? hahah
Eh Sony have only dne this now to support the vast network needed for gaika and cloud gaming. So shut your yapeh.
not getting an xbox dOne so....
eh.
P.S: you have to pay to play online on ps4 just thought you should know since you assured us years ago that Sony would never charge.
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And in other news... Â Playstation owners MUST purchase psn to play online..... Â Get real cows, Â your deflecting of something that you swore would never happen is hilarious. Â To a gamer, Â psn and xblg are equal.Â
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Is horrible paying for online play is sh**ty.
Is transparent for me because i am a PSN+ users but if the day come that i don't find value on PSN+ sony would basically force me to pay which is a stinking rip off.
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For people like you it should be ok since you are use to be rip off but for us who don't like it it leaves a bad taste.
Lol, even skype is behind the pay wall despite being a free call service.
[QUOTE="TheEroica"]I have both a PS3 and a 360 so at the moment I am paying for Xbox Live. Although before I still stand Xbox Live is a con only with the X1 is it worth the money IMO and that's because of the dedicated consoles. Before with the Xbox and the 360 nearly all games were P2P so you had to pay Microsoft for hosting the game on your own console, that is what i disproved of and still do. Only a few games used dedicated servers and even then it was paid by the developer or publisher. That was one of the main reasons why Sony didn't charge for online play becuase it didn't really need to as it was the player that hosted the match or the server was paid by someone else. Another example of Microsoft being cheap. Only this time round can I see the true worth in paying for Xbox Live and yeah you have to pay for the PS4 now but Sony has turned round and said that money is going to be used into updating their network most likely for gaming with dedicated servers as well and to those who says prove it and those which say they are just coping Microsoft Sony brought Gaikai which will be using dedicated servers for streaming games so Sony already has a large network set up using Dedicated servers. I don't think paying for Online gaming was worthwhile on either the PS3 or the 360 but at least people will get something for their money next generation and at least Sony didn't have the cheek to ask you to pay to host your own games on your own hardware this generation. Those are my views. Current Gen P2P on either console = Not worth paying Dedicated servers on next gen consoles = worth paying and that has always been my view.Preach brother.And in other news... Â Playstation owners MUST purchase psn to play online..... Â Get real cows, Â your deflecting of something that you swore would never happen is hilarious. Â To a gamer, Â psn and xblg are equal.Â
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[QUOTE="ziggyww"]Sorry the fact that you said Microsoft did a good job at E3 made me laugh.R3FURBISHED
they did
How does ignoring the concerns and questions the tons of XBox fans had for the XBone translate to  "a job well done"? "Fortunately we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity. It's called the XBox 360." -Don Mattrick
As a 360 fan, is THAT what you mean by "good job"?
Not really surprising coming from MS, who has a history of such devious actions. Heil68
Cows go from laughing at Xbox 360 users for 8 years about paying for online, and then turn around and defend Sony's decision to start charging. MS is offering services for a fee. If they didn't think people would pay, they wouldn't charge for them.foxhound_fox
TBH though, some stuff like Netflix you shouldn't have to pay for Live to use. This was my only gripe with Live last gen and it's going to stay my gripe.
I know its free to access on every electronic device in the world other then the X1. I am more shocked that you pay for your cable or satellite and you will be able to watch HD shows whenever you want. the moment you plug it into the Xbox you have to pay to access the content you have already paid for and was using before you got a X1. X1 will liberality kidnap your TV shows hostage until you pay for gold.Lol, even skype is behind the pay wall despite being a free call service.
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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]Eh Sony have only dne this now to support the vast network needed for gaika and cloud gaming. So shut your yap so misinformed and deluded, you think sony is doing it just for that....please XBL gold has proven itself to be a license to print money.Sony was probably haemmorhaging money running a network system for free its a quick easy and painless way to plug that gaping hole they've had since 06 but couldnt do it until now when they launch the new console just to not upset the current fanbase on PS3 and potential alienation that could have occured.IF sony wanted to they could have done it but instead they played their cards right.eh.
not getting an xbox dOne so....
eh.
P.S: you have to pay to play online on ps4 just thought you should know since you assured us years ago that Sony would never charge.
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Cows go from laughing at Xbox 360 users for 8 years about paying for online, and then turn around and defend Sony's decision to start charging. MS is offering services for a fee. If they didn't think people would pay, they wouldn't charge for them.foxhound_fox
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Come one Netflix behind a fu**ing pay wall.?
Game recording as well.?
MS is a piece of sh** company they do this to basically force people to pay more for the damn console that it cost period the final price of the xbox one should be $560Â and not $500 because every feature worth is hiden behind a damn pay wall,so basically the only thing you can do on that crappy console is play a game like consoles from 1995,because any other features is hiden under a damn pay wall.
This is MS way of saying yeah the console is $560 and not $500 if you want to do anything other than playing games,the fun thing is that is actually the least powerful console that cost $100 more so even for the sake of keepings things at least even MS should give all that crap for free even if online play is lock.
I would not be surprice to learn that to save your game you need to pay for xbox live...:roll:
[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Cows go from laughing at Xbox 360 users for 8 years about paying for online, and then turn around and defend Sony's decision to start charging. mitu123I love the hypocrisy from the cows now. "But you get deals on PSN+!" Who cares if you're not into that, now people have to pay for something they bashed MS for years and used as an advantage, we shouldn't be forced to pay for PSN+ since it's been optional at 1st, I don't even want it but I need it to play Killzone online FFS.XD
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Regarless of you wating it or not there is value on PSN+ far beyond anything found on xbox live,xbox live = pay to play online it has been that way since day 1 when it was almost feature less.
MS has been adding features to make the thing look more money worth but still isn't beacuse anything they add is free else where.
Now i am not happy with the idea of paying for online play is a rip off,but PSN+ is 100 time better velue than xbox live will be and is cheaper to,regardles of you wanting to save or not it has games at no extra cost and many other things.
But even without it you can still play some games online like Free to play games,how can you call a game free to play on xbox when you have to pay for live to play it.?
I am from the few who can coplain about this because my opinion remainds unchange paying for online play is a stinking rip off,regardless of who does it,but lemmings here can't say sh** to ps fans they have been loving xbox live and defending that rip off for 11 years.
If paying was good for them for live it is also good for sony.
For me is a stinking rip off no matter how you slice it..
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[QUOTE="PS4TrumpsXbox1"][QUOTE="navyguy21"]Quick question. If both PSN and XBL are the same and p2p, when why is Live more seamless and more stable than PSN?. (hint, i already know the answer, just want to see if you do since you are assuming they are on equal ground)MonsieurXHow exactly are they the same?? PSN allows people to access apps like Netflix and hulu without paying, the game recording feature can be accessed without paying for online and f2p games are accessbile without ps plus but yet with Microsoft you have to have gold to access all those items, to access skype (which is free on every other device), to use the game dvr and who know what else. Its ironic about your name navy guy, since MS initially crapped all over service members with the always online thing and how the Navy put a big article in the Navy times about it. But yet you blindly support them haha You still to have to pay to access online while you didn't with the PS3 How's that feel? I dont mind because it means they will be able to strengthen their security for their network. How does it feel to have to pay for services you already pay for or otherwise is free? (skype, netflix, using xone to watch tv)
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW!!!!!!!!Interesting fact: you can use Microsoft's Skype service for free on a PlayStation Vita but not an XBOX ONE.
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MS blowers ought to be ashamed of themselves after that one!
[QUOTE="PS4TrumpsXbox1"][QUOTE="navyguy21"]Quick question. If both PSN and XBL are the same and p2p, when why is Live more seamless and more stable than PSN?. (hint, i already know the answer, just want to see if you do since you are assuming they are on equal ground)MonsieurXHow exactly are they the same?? PSN allows people to access apps like Netflix and hulu without paying, the game recording feature can be accessed without paying for online and f2p games are accessbile without ps plus but yet with Microsoft you have to have gold to access all those items, to access skype (which is free on every other device), to use the game dvr and who know what else. Its ironic about your name navy guy, since MS initially crapped all over service members with the always online thing and how the Navy put a big article in the Navy times about it. But yet you blindly support them haha You still to have to pay to access online while you didn't with the PS3 How's that feel?
Feels like a slap in the face. But at least online is the only thing that's changed about PS+ on PS4. Every other thing like cross game chat, party chat, Netflix (or Flickster, which I don't know anything about) is accessible without PS+. PS+ still gives you a game library subscription as well, which is the biggest reason people sign up I imagine.
eh.
not getting an xbox dOne so....
eh.
P.S: you have to pay to play online on ps4 just thought you should know since you assured us years ago that Sony would never charge.
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I like how everyone always forget about that little detail...
You still to have to pay to access online while you didn't with the PS3 How's that feel?[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="PS4TrumpsXbox1"] How exactly are they the same?? PSN allows people to access apps like Netflix and hulu without paying, the game recording feature can be accessed without paying for online and f2p games are accessbile without ps plus but yet with Microsoft you have to have gold to access all those items, to access skype (which is free on every other device), to use the game dvr and who know what else. Its ironic about your name navy guy, since MS initially crapped all over service members with the always online thing and how the Navy put a big article in the Navy times about it. But yet you blindly support them hahadream431ca
Feels like a slap in the face. But at least online is the only thing that's changed about PS+ on PS4. Every other thing like cross game chat, party chat, Netflix (or Flickster, which I don't know anything about) is accessible without PS+. PS+ still gives you a game library subscription as well, which is the biggest reason people sign up I imagine.
Sadly, most lems will just say "you still have to pay and all cows are hypocrites for bashing MS for requiring people to pay to play online" From my part the bashing came more from having to pay to access services that should be free (apps, skype, free to play games, etc..) But it seems lems dismiss this because i guess they are fine with throwing away money.So have to pay to get Internet Explorer hahaha :lol::lol::lol:
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You have to pay for everything...
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Now you get why MS was pushing for online require DRM,they don't want costumers if they will not pay for xbox live,the only thing you can do without paying for live is offline gaming everything else is hiden behind a pay wall.
The PS4 make the xbox one look so freaking bad..
[QUOTE="lundy86_4"][QUOTE="kingtito"]Playing ignorant now? You know what Sony has been saying all gen and this goes back to the PS2 days. Cows know what was said hence the constant "Sony would never charge for online" statements all gen. kingtito
Bro, I hate to stand up for Chris, but you need to provide sufficient evidence. Hearsay, is not evidence.
No I don't. It's commong knowledge and every lem, cow, hermit and manticore that's been a regular knows exactly what cows have been saying for the entire 7th gen. I'm not going to bother looking up thousands upon thousands of cows posting about Sony not charging for p2p online. What a sheepish copout. Â[QUOTE="razu2444"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]Eh Sony have only dne this now to support the vast network needed for gaika and cloud gaming. So shut your yap so misinformed and deluded, you think sony is doing it just for that....please XBL gold has proven itself to be a license to print money.Sony was probably haemmorhaging money running a network system for free its a quick easy and painless way to plug that gaping hole they've had since 06 but couldnt do it until now when they launch the new console just to not upset the current fanbase on PS3 and potential alienation that could have occured.IF sony wanted to they could have done it but instead they played their cards right.You conclude your post with "they played their cards right". So what exactly is it you're bitching about?eh.
not getting an xbox dOne so....
eh.
P.S: you have to pay to play online on ps4 just thought you should know since you assured us years ago that Sony would never charge.
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so misinformed and deluded, you think sony is doing it just for that....please XBL gold has proven itself to be a license to print money.Sony was probably haemmorhaging money running a network system for free its a quick easy and painless way to plug that gaping hole they've had since 06 but couldnt do it until now when they launch the new console just to not upset the current fanbase on PS3 and potential alienation that could have occured.IF sony wanted to they could have done it but instead they played their cards right.You conclude your post with "they played their cards right". So what exactly is it you're bitching about? i see no bitching in that post, you seem to have a very skewed view on what is bitching and what is not. All i did was state cold hard facts and truths, but then again if its not slamming a company or outright idiotic it will never work on SW.[QUOTE="razgriz_101"][QUOTE="razu2444"] Eh Sony have only dne this now to support the vast network needed for gaika and cloud gaming. So shut your yapBenny_Blakk
[QUOTE="Benny_Blakk"]You conclude your post with "they played their cards right". So what exactly is it you're bitching about? i see no bitching in that post, you seem to have a very skewed view on what is bitching and what is not. All i did was state cold hard facts and truths, but then again if its not slamming a company or outright idiotic it will never work on SW.You said the previous poster was misinformed and deluded. But yet, you didn't even provide any contrary information to what the person was saying. It is true that maintenance and improvement of Gaikai will require funding.[QUOTE="razgriz_101"] so misinformed and deluded, you think sony is doing it just for that....please XBL gold has proven itself to be a license to print money.Sony was probably haemmorhaging money running a network system for free its a quick easy and painless way to plug that gaping hole they've had since 06 but couldnt do it until now when they launch the new console just to not upset the current fanbase on PS3 and potential alienation that could have occured.IF sony wanted to they could have done it but instead they played their cards right.razgriz_101
More importantly, your post is your own theories and assumptions. For example what SONY could/should have done. Â I missed the memo stating "assumptions" and "facts" were interchangeable terms.Â
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So have to pay to get Internet Explorer hahaha :lol::lol::lol:
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Now you get why MS was pushing for online require DRM,they don't want costumers if they will not pay for xbox live,the only thing you can do without paying for live is offline gaming everything else is hiden behind a pay wall.
The PS4 make the xbox one look so freaking bad..
Not really. With new GOLD HOME share program, everyone who uses your XBox One can access all the apps and play games online. How many people have to buy PSPlus to play online games using the PS4? One GOLD Account does it all. You can even go over a friends how, sign in and everyone their has access to your GOLD HOME features and benefits. Will games on the PS4 being able to do that with PS+? What, you don't know because Sony isn't talking about it? lol!! Now sit down and shut up.[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="aroxx_ab"]
So have to pay to get Internet Explorer hahaha :lol::lol::lol:
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Now you get why MS was pushing for online require DRM,they don't want costumers if they will not pay for xbox live,the only thing you can do without paying for live is offline gaming everything else is hiden behind a pay wall.
The PS4 make the xbox one look so freaking bad..
Not really. With new GOLD HOME share program, everyone who uses your XBox One can access all the apps and play games online. How many people have to buy PSPlus to play online games using the PS4? One GOLD Account does it all. You can even go over a friends how, sign in and everyone their has access to your GOLD HOME features and benefits. Will games on the PS4 being able to do that with PS+? What, you don't know because Sony isn't talking about it? lol!! Now sit down and shut up. Actually yes you can do that with ps plus, only one plus subscription needed. You still have to pay for services that should be free like recording gameplay, apps like netflix skype which is free on every other device, etc....Not really. With new GOLD HOME share program, everyone who uses your XBox One can access all the apps and play games online. How many people have to buy PSPlus to play online games using the PS4? One GOLD Account does it all. You can even go over a friends how, sign in and everyone their has access to your GOLD HOME features and benefits. Will games on the PS4 being able to do that with PS+? What, you don't know because Sony isn't talking about it? lol!! Now sit down and shut up. blackace
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How many account can play on the same 360 with only 1 live account.?
Family plan for $100 you say and on PS3 free as many as you want.?
What make you think that online play will be tag to your account rather than your console on PS4.?
Hey can you play Free to play games on xbox one without live gold.?
How is that free to play if you have to pay for live.?
Everything is hidden behind a pay wall on xbox live,on PS4 it isn't not even multiplayer for free to play games,so basically i can play free games on PS4 online without even investing on PSN+..
Mean while you will be charge even for DVR and IE...:lol:
dat paywall, better keep up with that subscription.
[QUOTE="blackace"][QUOTE="tormentos"]Not really. With new GOLD HOME share program, everyone who uses your XBox One can access all the apps and play games online. How many people have to buy PSPlus to play online games using the PS4? One GOLD Account does it all. You can even go over a friends how, sign in and everyone their has access to your GOLD HOME features and benefits. Will games on the PS4 being able to do that with PS+? What, you don't know because Sony isn't talking about it? lol!! Now sit down and shut up. Actually yes you can do that with ps plus, only one plus subscription needed. You still have to pay for services that should be free like recording gameplay, apps like netflix skype which is free on every other device, etc.... I'm not talking about on the PS3. I'm talking about on the PS4. Sony hasn't said anything about every account will be able to play multiplayer online with just one PS+ account. No one knows that answer yet, because Sony hasn't told anyone about it.Â
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Now you get why MS was pushing for online require DRM,they don't want costumers if they will not pay for xbox live,the only thing you can do without paying for live is offline gaming everything else is hiden behind a pay wall.
The PS4 make the xbox one look so freaking bad..
PS4TrumpsXbox1
[QUOTE="blackace"] Not really. With new GOLD HOME share program, everyone who uses your XBox One can access all the apps and play games online. How many people have to buy PSPlus to play online games using the PS4? One GOLD Account does it all. You can even go over a friends how, sign in and everyone their has access to your GOLD HOME features and benefits. Will games on the PS4 being able to do that with PS+? What, you don't know because Sony isn't talking about it? lol!! Now sit down and shut up. tormentos
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Are you for real.?
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How many account can play on the same 360 with only 1 live account.?
Family plan for $100 you say and on PS3 free as many as you want.?
What make you think that online play will be tag to your account rather than your console on PS4.?
Hey can you play Free to play games on xbox one without live gold.?
How is that free to play if you have to pay for live.?
Everything is hidden behind a pay wall on xbox live,on PS4 it isn't not even multiplayer for free to play games,so basically i can play free games on PS4 online without even investing on PSN+..
Mean while you will be charge even for DVR and IE...:lol:
I'm not talking about the PS3 or XBox 360. I'm talking about the Xbox One and the PS4. Who said anything about playing online for FREE? Did you even read what I wrote? Both the X1 and PS4 will have a FEE to play online. Duh!! You can't play games online with the PS4 for FREE. lol!! You have to have PS+ subscription to play online on the PS4 dummy. Go back and read again. You're clueless dude.Please Log In to post.
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