Microsoft official thread of awseome job for ruining Sony...and gaining nothing.

So this generation starts, MS promises to make the gaming industry as mainstream as possible by catering to all kind of people and make 1 billion sales from their console only ( @0:26:00 and hey they keep repeating the same damn number during the press after that ), in the process they stole everything Sony, put them on a difficult situation rather than expanding the market and what did they gain?

Lets compare last gen to this gen.

Last gen, they sold 25M consoles in their life time ( 4 years ), this gen, they will sell 25M consoles in their 3rd year after launching the console which is kinda sad compared to what they are aiming for, or compared to the PS2, PS3 or Wii.

Last gen they had in their life time Halo as their selling point, this gen, they have Halo 3 as their selling point.

They expanded something called online multiplayer...ok that was something great and I can't deny that.

Last gen the PS2 sold more than 100M consoles sold ( 6 years ), this gen, they will sell 20M consoles in their second year after launching the console.

I wonder how they were aiming for the 1B consoles sold after hurting the industry leader like this? do they really care? what did they gain for doing such a thing?

At this rate, I don't think the gaming industry will expand.

Our hope lies on the hands of Wii this gen, the question though, will the Wii outsell the PS2 total sales to expand our hobby to bring more people to play games.

lol....1 billion.

......lol :lol:

lol....1 billion.

......lol :lol:

RotaryRX7

They were on crack lol.

Introduced Online Gaming... Nope...

Hope on the Wii??? WTF are you talking about... I don't care how much any of the Three Systems sell... I have all of them and all I care about is getting good games...

lol m`kay, microsoft surely ruined sonyDante2710

And gained nothing.

PS2 sales = 140million...if it manage to sell 10million from now until 2010. That'd be

150million systems....I don't see the Wii making it to that.

Introduced Online Gaming... Nope...

Hope on the Wii??? WTF are you talking about... I don't care how much any of the Three Systems sell... I have all of them and all I care about is getting good games...

PS3Goose

They expanded the online gaming, I'll change the comment just for you.

Yup, the industry is not moving fast to the mass market, only the Wii is appealing for the mainstream so far.

[QUOTE="Dante2710"]lol m`kay, microsoft surely ruined sonycredibilityzero

And gained nothing.

thats nice..now why should you or anyone else for that matter care? and you never even explain how this was runing sony.

[QUOTE="credibilityzero"]

[QUOTE="Dante2710"]lol m`kay, microsoft surely ruined sonylawlessx

And gained nothing.

thats nice..now why should you or anyone else for that matter care? and you never even explain how this was runing sony.

I care because I like my hobby and I don't like it to be small again like 10 years ago, I want it to expand and be accepted among people and I want people to like what we like and see what we were experiencing for the past 15-20 years and understand it why we love it.

They stole everything Sony, I said it in my OP, I don't have to explain it more because everybody knows what was stolen.

[QUOTE="PS3Goose"]

Introduced Online Gaming... Nope...

Hope on the Wii??? WTF are you talking about... I don't care how much any of the Three Systems sell... I have all of them and all I care about is getting good games...

credibilityzero

They expanded the online gaming, I'll change the comment just for you.

Yup, the industry is not moving fast to the mass market, only the Wii is appealing for the mainstream so far.

No.. you will change it because it was wrong... you said the Introduced Online Gaming and that is 100% bull and only makes you look lame in mine eyes...

Gaming is not slowing down... Its gain in extreme pace considering how "hurt" everyone things America Economy is... Its one of the only things that is not being hurt badly by the economy in America...

[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="credibilityzero"]

[QUOTE="Dante2710"]lol m`kay, microsoft surely ruined sonycredibilityzero

And gained nothing.

thats nice..now why should you or anyone else for that matter care? and you never even explain how this was runing sony.

I care because I like my hobby and I don't like it to be small again like 10 years ago, I want it to expand and be accepted among people and I want people to like what we like and see what we were experiencing for the past 15-20 years and understand it why we love it.

They stole everything Sony, I said it in my OP, I don't have to explain it more because everybody knows what was stolen.

[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="credibilityzero"]

[QUOTE="Dante2710"]lol m`kay, microsoft surely ruined sonycredibilityzero

And gained nothing.

thats nice..now why should you or anyone else for that matter care? and you never even explain how this was runing sony.

I care because I like my hobby and I don't like it to be small again like 10 years ago, I want it to expand and be accepted among people and I want people to like what we like and see what we were experiencing for the past 15-20 years and understand it why we love it.

They stole everything Sony, I said it in my OP, I don't have to explain it more because everybody knows what was stolen.

I'd raise the argument Sony ruined themselves by thinking brand loyalty would offset a limited launch library, prolonged delays on Playstation franchises, a opening $600 price tag and a generally arrogant attitude.

As a gamer, it was good to see them get smacked in the face. Look at how competition has drove the PS3 forward with firmware updates and a widening library of first-party titles.

[QUOTE="credibilityzero"][QUOTE="PS3Goose"]

Introduced Online Gaming... Nope...

Hope on the Wii??? WTF are you talking about... I don't care how much any of the Three Systems sell... I have all of them and all I care about is getting good games...

PS3Goose

They expanded the online gaming, I'll change the comment just for you.

Yup, the industry is not moving fast to the mass market, only the Wii is appealing for the mainstream so far.

No.. you will change it because it was wrong... you said the Introduced Online Gaming and that is 100% bull and only makes you look lame in mine eyes...

Gaming is not slowing down... Its gain in extreme pace considering how "hurt" everyone things America Economy is... Its one of the only things that is not being hurt badly by the economy in America...

I was wrong and I changed it because you corrected me, are we good now?

How do you say that? in 3 years, only 25M 360 consoles and 20M PS3 consoles will be sold, how is this considered to be fast selling?

The Wii is the only fast selling console.

[QUOTE="credibilityzero"][QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="credibilityzero"]

[QUOTE="Dante2710"]lol m`kay, microsoft surely ruined sonyKickinurass

And gained nothing.

thats nice..now why should you or anyone else for that matter care? and you never even explain how this was runing sony.

I care because I like my hobby and I don't like it to be small again like 10 years ago, I want it to expand and be accepted among people and I want people to like what we like and see what we were experiencing for the past 15-20 years and understand it why we love it.

They stole everything Sony, I said it in my OP, I don't have to explain it more because everybody knows what was stolen.

I'd raise the argument Sony ruined themselves by thinking brand loyalty would offset a limited launch library, prolonged delays on Playstation franchises, a opening $600 price tag and a generally arrogant attitude.

As a gamer, it was good to see them get smacked in the face. Look at how competition has drove the PS3 forward with firmware updates and a widening library of first-party titles.

I know... sony should have never thought that selling there system at a loss (unlike Microsoft and Nintendo) would get people to buy it... Sony was not going in with an Arrogant attitude they thought people could find a good deal... The only thing they did wrong was assume people were totaly realy for Next Gen (HD)

MS surely cut into Sony this generation (especially by releasing a year ahead of them and stealing a bunch of exclusive games) but to be fair Sony hurt themselves as well. They didn't have to go with Blu Ray- they chose to go with the format creating a high-end system that is still priced too high for average consumers. MS simply has the more accessible system right now. By choosing Blu Ray Sony essentially guaranteed themselves that they wouldn't have another hit like the PS or PS2 on their hands.

But how is this hurting the game industry? I don't see Sony doing anything exceptional either at this point - just a lot more of the same. As much as I hate the Wii it's the only system innovating this gen (not necessarily in a way that I like, but Nintendo is innovating).

Leave Sony alone :cry:.....:lol:

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"][QUOTE="credibilityzero"][QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="credibilityzero"]

[QUOTE="Dante2710"]lol m`kay, microsoft surely ruined sonyPS3Goose

And gained nothing.

thats nice..now why should you or anyone else for that matter care? and you never even explain how this was runing sony.

I care because I like my hobby and I don't like it to be small again like 10 years ago, I want it to expand and be accepted among people and I want people to like what we like and see what we were experiencing for the past 15-20 years and understand it why we love it.

They stole everything Sony, I said it in my OP, I don't have to explain it more because everybody knows what was stolen.

I'd raise the argument Sony ruined themselves by thinking brand loyalty would offset a limited launch library, prolonged delays on Playstation franchises, a opening $600 price tag and a generally arrogant attitude.

As a gamer, it was good to see them get smacked in the face. Look at how competition has drove the PS3 forward with firmware updates and a widening library of first-party titles.

I know... sony should have never thought that selling there system at a loss (unlike Microsoft and Nintendo) would get people to buy it... Sony was not going in with an Arrogant attitude they thought people could find a good deal... The only thing they did wrong was assume people were totaly realy for Next Gen (HD)

Selling at a loss for market share works great as long as that it means the console is reasonably priced. It worked for the PS and PS2 and 360 and practically every other successful console other then the Wii. PS3 was just way to expensive simple as that. They would have been much better off going with established technology espeically since they could have made the console just as powerful. Instead they tried to use the PS brand to push new products in other areas but it backfired.

to PS3Goose,

I disagree. Phrases such as "The next generation doesn't start until we say it does" "Now, rumble I think was the last generation feature; it's not the next-generation feature." and "People [will buy it] no matter" what are examples of Sony hubris coming into this gen. Not mention the famous boast by Jack Tretton to find a "PS3 anywhere in North America that's been on shelves for more than five minutes"

Perhaps Sony did supply the Playstation 3 at a lost, that point I'll give you. But to deny their arrogance is simply unexcusable.

[QUOTE="Dante2710"]lol m`kay, microsoft surely ruined sonycredibilityzero

And gained nothing.

So a larger share of the market doesn't count?

GOD I cant believe cows are still going on about that one billion thing. If you watch the interview he actually said the industry would reach one billion people this generation, not sell one billion consoles. In fact I don't think he even said the word "sales" the entire time. Certainly not with any remote connection to the billion people comment. Basically he was talking about the entire gaming industry and not specifically about sales. This was established years ago but cows ignored all reason and preferred to pretend he ment sales so they could use it as a lame counter to all of Sony's lies at e3 2005. Even if it were true it would be a bad prediction not a lie. Internally MS wanted to sell 50 million but never made any public predictions.TOAO_Cyrus1

MS gained Market Share

That sure is nothing isn't it

MS gained Market Share

That sure is nothing isn't it

SSCyborg

...and they are still doomed to third place by the end of this gen despite launching a year early. And they've lost billions of dollars. Yep, MS has gained so much this gen.

[QUOTE="SSCyborg"]

MS gained Market Share

That sure is nothing isn't it

Rocky32189

...and they are still doomed to third place by the end of this gen despite launching a year early. And they've lost billions of dollars. Yep, MS has gained so much this gen.

Looks like someone hasn't done his homework, MS has been in the red..just so you know that means profit..for several quarters. PS3 still in the black..so you know what that means..losing money..

[QUOTE="SSCyborg"]

MS gained Market Share

That sure is nothing isn't it

Rocky32189

...and they are still doomed to third place by the end of this gen despite launching a year early. And they've lost billions of dollars. Yep, MS has gained so much this gen.

57+ 7.0 games at Gamerankings for the Wii. :lol: :lol:

[QUOTE="TOAO_Cyrus1"]GOD I cant believe cows are still going on about that one billion thing. If you watch the interview he actually said the industry would reach one billion people this generation, not sell one billion consoles. In fact I don't think he even said the word "sales" the entire time. Certainly not with any remote connection to the billion people comment. Basically he was talking about the entire gaming industry and not specifically about sales. This was established years ago but cows ignored all reason and preferred to pretend he ment sales so they could use it as a lame counter to all of Sony's lies at e3 2005. Even if it were true it would be a bad prediction not a lie. Internally MS wanted to sell 50 million but never made any public predictions.Stevo_the_gamer

Thank you for sharing this link because I was having a hard time to quote what proves what they were aiming for which is 1B consoles sold.

Here are some of his quotes:

"A billion people this generation; well, that's a big number but I know we can do it."

Then he says.

"we thought very differently about our approach when in designing the product"

"Out of the gate we knew we had to create an amazing product that would blow the roof off gaming for our core audience"

Then he went and explained what their product will cater to by giving examples like Striker, Velocity girl and beat builder while they were showing in the screen behind him the gamertags of each demographic he were talking about, that mean they wanted 1B people in their XBL so don't give me the famous "hey they didn't say sold"

[QUOTE="SSCyborg"]

MS gained Market Share

That sure is nothing isn't it

Rocky32189

...and they are still doomed to third place by the end of this gen despite launching a year early. And they've lost billions of dollars. Yep, MS has gained so much this gen.

Thank you for sharing this link because I was having a hard time to quote what proves what they were aiming for which is 1B consoles sold.

Here are some of his quotes:

"A billion people this generation; well, that's a big number but I know we can do it."

Then he says.

"we thought very differently about our approach when in designing the product"

"Out of the gate we knew we had to create an amazing product that would blow the roof off gaming for our core audience"

The he went and explained what their product will cater to by giving examples like Striker, Velocity girl and beat builder while they were showing in the screen behind him the gamertags of each demographic he were talking about, that mean they wanted 1B people in their XBL so don't give me the famous "hey they didn't say sold"

credibilityzero

[QUOTE="Rocky32189"][QUOTE="SSCyborg"]

MS gained Market Share

That sure is nothing isn't it

Erik_Lensherr

...and they are still doomed to third place by the end of this gen despite launching a year early. And they've lost billions of dollars. Yep, MS has gained so much this gen.

Looks like someone hasn't done his homework, MS has been in the red..just so you know that means profit..for several quarters. PS3 still in the black..so you know what that means..losing money..

You're the one who hasn't done their homework. Microsoft isn't even close to making back all the money they've lost this gen, whether they are profiting off their systems now or not. Also, black=profit. red=deficit

[QUOTE="Rocky32189"][QUOTE="SSCyborg"]

MS gained Market Share

That sure is nothing isn't it

Stevo_the_gamer

...and they are still doomed to third place by the end of this gen despite launching a year early. And they've lost billions of dollars. Yep, MS has gained so much this gen.

57+ 7.0 games at Gamerankings for the Wii. :lol: :lol:

We're talking about what Microsoft gained, "laddy". I'm sure in Microsoft's board meetings they talk about how many AAA titles they have compared to the competition, instead of profits and sales, right?

[QUOTE="Erik_Lensherr"][QUOTE="Rocky32189"][QUOTE="SSCyborg"]

MS gained Market Share

That sure is nothing isn't it

Rocky32189

...and they are still doomed to third place by the end of this gen despite launching a year early. And they've lost billions of dollars. Yep, MS has gained so much this gen.

Looks like someone hasn't done his homework, MS has been in the red..just so you know that means profit..for several quarters. PS3 still in the black..so you know what that means..losing money..

You're the one who hasn't done their homework. Microsoft isn't even close to making back all the money they've lost this gen, whether they are profiting off their systems now or not. Also, black=profit. red=deficit

Whops on the colors, either way they are making profit this gen which means making more money than they are losing so you are wrong./

[QUOTE="credibilityzero"]

Thank you for sharing this link because I was having a hard time to quote what proves what they were aiming for which is 1B consoles sold.

Here are some of his quotes:

"A billion people this generation; well, that's a big number but I know we can do it."

Then he says.

"we thought very differently about our approach when in designing the product"

"Out of the gate we knew we had to create an amazing product that would blow the roof off gaming for our core audience"

The he went and explained what their product will cater to by giving examples like Striker, Velocity girl and beat builder while they were showing in the screen behind him the gamertags of each demographic he were talking about, that mean they wanted 1B people in their XBL so don't give me the famous "hey they didn't say sold"

Stevo_the_gamer

Yea sure, whatever floats your boat.

If they didn't show their gamertags in the background then you are right.

Let me provide you with another comment.

"With Xbox 360 we have an answer, She's going to rejoin us" talking about Velocity girl WHICH HAS A GAMERTAG IN THE SCREEN BEHIND Allard.

Tell me again how many people playing online on 360?

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="Rocky32189"][QUOTE="SSCyborg"]

MS gained Market Share

That sure is nothing isn't it

Rocky32189

...and they are still doomed to third place by the end of this gen despite launching a year early. And they've lost billions of dollars. Yep, MS has gained so much this gen.

57+ 7.0 games at Gamerankings for the Wii. :lol: :lol:

We're talking about what Microsoft gained, "laddy". I'm sure in Microsoft's board meetings they talk about how many AAA titles they have compared to the competition, instead of profits and sales, right?

We're talking about what Microsoft gained, "laddy". I'm sure in Microsoft's board meetings they talk about how many AAA titles they have compared to the competition, instead of profits and sales, right?

Rocky32189

[QUOTE="Rocky32189"][QUOTE="Erik_Lensherr"][QUOTE="Rocky32189"][QUOTE="SSCyborg"]

MS gained Market Share

That sure is nothing isn't it

Erik_Lensherr

...and they are still doomed to third place by the end of this gen despite launching a year early. And they've lost billions of dollars. Yep, MS has gained so much this gen.

Looks like someone hasn't done his homework, MS has been in the red..just so you know that means profit..for several quarters. PS3 still in the black..so you know what that means..losing money..

You're the one who hasn't done their homework. Microsoft isn't even close to making back all the money they've lost this gen, whether they are profiting off their systems now or not. Also, black=profit. red=deficit

Whops on the colors, either way they are making profit this gen which means making more money than they are losing so you are wrong./

You're the one who is wrong. Microsoft has lost billions of dollars on the 360. They are in the red at the moment. They will continue to be in the red until they make back all the money they've lost. I think you should take an economics class because you obviously have no clue what you're talking about.

[QUOTE="Rocky32189"]

We're talking about what Microsoft gained, "laddy". I'm sure in Microsoft's board meetings they talk about how many AAA titles they have compared to the competition, instead of profits and sales, right?

Stevo_the_gamer

The best mulitplatform games stolen from Sony you meant?

Yea sure, whatever floats your boat.

If they didn't show their gamertags in the background then you are right.

Let me provide you with another comment.

"With Xbox 360 we have an answer, She's going to rejoin us" talking about Velocity girl WHICH HAS A GAMERTAG IN THE SCREEN BEHIND Allard.

Tell me again how many people playing online on 360?

credibilityzero

Oh my, this is starting to get rather... sad to be honest. I'll put it in simplist terms for you laddy, mm'kay?

Before the "one billion mark" statement, Allard said the following:

"Thirty years ago we saw the birth of this industry with the arrival of the first 2D games, games that appealed to everyone. They found a very broad audience that numbered in the tens of millions. Andwe all remember those great ads from that era where entire families gathered surrounded the TV on the couch playing games together. Well, then we made the leap, the leap from 2D to 3D and we expanded and jumped our industry past the hundred million mark. But at that very same time wenarrowed our scope to a much more limited demographic."

Now, when he says "We" -- he's referring to the gaming industry as a whole, it's clear as day.

"Today, we're poised to make the leap again, this time from 3D to the HD era. Now, of course the HD era is about high-definition graphics and unbelievable sound but the implications of the HD era are even more profound than that. It's about the ability to connect with your communities and to personalize your experience, it's about unleashing the creative power of human energy. If we work together to create games and experiences that really deliver on the promise of the HD era, as an industry we'll take games places they've never been before. In the HD era, weare going to reach 1 billion people with our medium. (Cheers, applause.)"

Gaining markshare and building a name brand is considered nothing?

Ohh right.... I forgot..... we are in SW.....Where logic and common sense goes out the window

You're the one who is wrong. Microsoft has lost billions of dollars on the 360. They are in the red at the moment. They will continue to be in the red until they make back all the money they've lost. I think you should take an economics class because you obviously have no clue what you're talking about.

Rocky32189

Are you sure about that?

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/50957

To Rocky32189

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/01/24/the-xbox-turns-a-profit/

http://www.gamedaily.com/articles/news/xbox-division-posts-89-million-profit-in-q3-on-robust-demand-for-360/?biz=1

What now??

Whops on the colors, either way they are making profit this gen which means making more money than they are losing so you are wrong./

Erik_Lensherr