Microsoft you CHEAP lying rats.

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

[QUOTE="Nagidar"]

I had 3 PS2's DRE on me within 6 months, none of my Xbox's broke and had one 360 RRoD on me, the difference was, I had to PAY SONY to fix the PS2. Does that make my arguement any better then yours? No, because its subjective, you had a bad product from one company, but not the other, its your opinion, nothing more...

Nagidar

Although I get what you're saying, it's not really an opinion, but rather anecdotal evidence.

But it's not completely sbjective. Some products undeniably have higher failure rates than others.

Yea, that wasn't my point though, he's basing his opinion on the fact he had one product break on him and not the other, which is subjective, its his opinion, others may feel differently.

OK. I get you. We're definitelyon the same page since I'm of the opinon that anecdotal evidence is garbage in debates like these.

I laugh at you Slambo.

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

[QUOTE="delta3074"]nobody is defending evil practices, they are just quite rightly saying it's not just MS doing it,it's every business, they are all out to make money, if you want to take it personally cos your sensitive then fine,spend the rest of your life haying and miss out.delta3074

Well, what I'm getting at is that the worst of Microsoft and Sony's business practices are unethical at best. Evil is generally used to described things of a bigger magnitude.

Wait...are people comparing the DRE to the RROD..the RROD makes dre look like a pushover. Infact its the worst design flaw in a console..ever! How it got the green light is beyond me, but MS knew about it...so it isn't surprising. I find it funny how people go..bu bu sony dus it TOOOOOO.. I addressed that, its only that MS does it a lot worse and with little to no respect.

One more thing about Microsoft's Arcade SKU. They brag how games can now own the cheapest console. Then they charge you just to play on line. After four years, you actually end up paying more than the PS3! That's not counting payment for repairs because by then the 3 yr warranty is over. It sickens me how many people conintue to defend Microsoft in this forum. I have little doubts they Microsoft have their people in this forum. LittleTitu

What would Microsoft possibly have to gain by having plants in some internet forum? It's not like our discussions here actually have any effect on anything.

Wait...are people comparing the DRE to the RROD..the RROD makes dre look like a pushover. Infact its the worst design flaw in a console..ever! How it got the green light is beyond me, but MS knew about it...so it isn't surprising. I find it funny how people go..bu bu sony dus it TOOOOOO.. I addressed that, its only that MS does it a lot worse and with little to no respect.

Slambo86

You mean like it taking a Class Action Lawsuit against SONY to actually ADMIT there was a problem with the PS2? Like that?

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]Evil is a rather strong word for the practices anyway.

Tragic_Kingdom7

Well, what I'm getting at is that the worst of Microsoft and Sony's business practices are unethical at best. Evil is generally used to described things of a bigger magnitude.

Wait...are people comparing the DRE to the RROD..the RROD makes dre look like a pushover. Infact its the worst design flaw in a console..ever! How it got the green light is beyond me, but MS knew about it...so it isn't surprising. I find it funny how people go..bu bu sony dus it TOOOOOO.. I addressed that, its only that MS does it a lot worse and with little to no respect.

Slambo86

So are you implying that when Sony engages in unethical practices, they do it respectfully? :lol:

[QUOTE="Head_of_games"]MS saw good ideas, and tried to make a better version to make money and provide gamers with a better experience. Is that a problem? Slambo86

Ur being irrational and childish. This is the business world, you CANNOT sell idealism. Do you actually believe that this is some sort of fair game like chess? No, to survive in this world companies have to do what they must to get ahead. Maybe you'll finally understand once you work in a competitive business enviornment.

[QUOTE="Slambo86"]

Wait...are people comparing the DRE to the RROD..the RROD makes dre look like a pushover. Infact its the worst design flaw in a console..ever! How it got the green light is beyond me, but MS knew about it...so it isn't surprising. I find it funny how people go..bu bu sony dus it TOOOOOO.. I addressed that, its only that MS does it a lot worse and with little to no respect.

Nagidar

You mean like it taking a Class Action Lawsuit against SONY to actually ADMIT there was a problem with the PS2? Like that?

[QUOTE="LittleTitu"]One more thing about Microsoft's Arcade SKU. They brag how games can now own the cheapest console. Then they charge you just to play on line. After four years, you actually end up paying more than the PS3! That's not counting payment for repairs because by then the 3 yr warranty is over. It sickens me how many people conintue to defend Microsoft in this forum. I have little doubts they Microsoft have their people in this forum. delta3074

really? this is the first time i'v heard of this, have you got a link?

[QUOTE="Nagidar"]

[QUOTE="Slambo86"]

Wait...are people comparing the DRE to the RROD..the RROD makes dre look like a pushover. Infact its the worst design flaw in a console..ever! How it got the green light is beyond me, but MS knew about it...so it isn't surprising. I find it funny how people go..bu bu sony dus it TOOOOOO.. I addressed that, its only that MS does it a lot worse and with little to no respect.

Slambo86

You mean like it taking a Class Action Lawsuit against SONY to actually ADMIT there was a problem with the PS2? Like that?

MS admitted they had a problem and issued a 3 year RRoD warranty, people who bought PS2's before the Lawsuit had to PAY for them to be fixed, you talk about business practices but fail to acknowledge, it took a friggin LAWSUIT, to get SONY to do ANYTHING...

Its funny how stuff like this seems to slip the minds of fanboys...

[QUOTE="Slambo86"]

Wait...are people comparing the DRE to the RROD..the RROD makes dre look like a pushover. Infact its the worst design flaw in a console..ever! How it got the green light is beyond me, but MS knew about it...so it isn't surprising. I find it funny how people go..bu bu sony dus it TOOOOOO.. I addressed that, its only that MS does it a lot worse and with little to no respect.

Nagidar

You mean like it taking a Class Action Lawsuit against SONY to actually ADMIT there was a problem with the PS2? Like that?

lol so owned im sorry to say! This thread is becoming epic lol.

Oh and slambo, how did you address it exactly?

what have they done this gen besides giving a more stable online system? Don't give me achievements, because its nothing but unlockables done last gen but in a different manner. (ok umm...netflix, facebook, twitter, instant on 1080p with 5.1 dd, gear 1&2, halo 3, an onlive gaming system that is better than the competition and that don't really on the dev having to runa dn maintain their own servers, movies and tv shows from more content providers (expect the ones owned by sony) than can be found on the competition, more demos and sweepstakes than the competition, a control that didn't need to be replaced a year later because it lacked rumble.oh but those are just a few.)

When the 360 debuted, memory cards, NO full HD, No built in wifi, NO new format, hdmi, no new controller, nothing....it was rushed garbage. Whats even funny, when sony debuted with the attitude of FULL HD, NEW FORMAT..MS laughed and then adopted the same thing and now look at the 360...you could rename the f'en Elite the PS3. (black, 1080p, bigger HDD, HDMI) (FullHD is a marketing term developed by sharp to get people to spend twice as much money on a 1080p tv than on a 720p. they also tried to get people who already bought an hdtv to buy 1080p. unless your watching tv on a 50" or larger screen, 1080p isn't much of a difference over 720p. no new controller? seriously? f the color, look at the button placement. the control in smaller and more ergonomic (meaning comfortable) than the original and the controller-s. what about sony? the same exact control from the ps one but lacking rumble and has bluetooth. whoopty freaking doo. then a year later they replaced it with the same control but with rumble and for more money. true ms later added hdmi, but at least they give you an hdmi cable free in the box, as well as composite cables and compnonet cable, an ethernet cable and a microphone headset.)

Now with the Wii motion controller/ new interface with Mii's and installation seen with some PS3 games, which MS laughed at early on....has them doing the same thing. (sony copied nintendo as well excect they preferred to rip off second life and call it home. let's not forget mod nation. btw, the ps3 game installs was to offset the 2x blu-rays slow loading speed.)

MS just sit back and watch, then later adopt it and call it there own (lol at natal) (ala unnamed ps3mote and psn). While sony isn't innocent on the deal, (really? :roll:) atleast..they were first to impliment full HD movies, new format, HDMI, and overall a more quality built console, concerning inbuilt features. (true but at the cost of it's user base and a bloated $600 price tage that is now $400 when the competitors could be found under $250.) There original idea was to do a full entertainment system and both Wii and PS3 stick out on there own...(no. nintendo's intention was to give a new way to play games. sony's intention was to beat toshiba in the format war.)360 is the guy trying to catch up (ironic since the ps3 is currently the one in last place)and stick out, desperatly. Both Ninty and SONY had a vision (so did MS. it's green and it starts with $)..which was reached (not so much by sony but ok)...MS had none, (money, money, MONEY!) but to rush out and try and just take ground on the console war (and beat sony stupid in the process)...as with everything. (whcih is why they more money than sony and how their creator was made the richest man in the world.)

whats even worse is MS claimed Natal wasn't inspired by the Wii....LMFAO! (it wasn't. the scrapped 360 controller was. MS saw a company named 3DV demostrating the camera at CES 2008 and bought the company)

No wonder MS is so damn hated. (i think it has more to do with jealousy, not anger)

all this copying and critisizing (and hypocracy by the cows)...including the fact that the 360 is the most flawed peice of hardware (RROD) (have you ever heard of ps2's DRE?)....is laughable.(only you post is) If it wasn't for there head start, (to gain that much needed support) (and take away much of sony's userbase with a lower priced console with 80% the same library) they would have fopped so hard.(like sony) MS know this,(and are laughing about how much money they made by screwing sony) so thats why they rushed it.(and it worked) Priceless. (it truly is :D)

i'm done. (thank god)

Slambo86

just read the red.

[QUOTE="Nagidar"]

[QUOTE="Slambo86"]

Wait...are people comparing the DRE to the RROD..the RROD makes dre look like a pushover. Infact its the worst design flaw in a console..ever! How it got the green light is beyond me, but MS knew about it...so it isn't surprising. I find it funny how people go..bu bu sony dus it TOOOOOO.. I addressed that, its only that MS does it a lot worse and with little to no respect.

Slambo86

You mean like it taking a Class Action Lawsuit against SONY to actually ADMIT there was a problem with the PS2? Like that?

Wait...are people comparing the DRE to the RROD..the RROD makes dre look like a pushover. Infact its the worst design flaw in a console..ever! How it got the green light is beyond me, but MS knew about it...so it isn't surprising. I find it funny how people go..bu bu sony dus it TOOOOOO.. I addressed that, its only that MS does it a lot worse and with little to no respect.

Slambo86

i'v had the 360 for 2 years, never had a problem with it.

I'v had 3 PS2's last gen, only one of them still works

[QUOTE="Nagidar"]

[QUOTE="Slambo86"]

Wait...are people comparing the DRE to the RROD..the RROD makes dre look like a pushover. Infact its the worst design flaw in a console..ever! How it got the green light is beyond me, but MS knew about it...so it isn't surprising. I find it funny how people go..bu bu sony dus it TOOOOOO.. I addressed that, its only that MS does it a lot worse and with little to no respect.

DAZZER7

You mean like it taking a Class Action Lawsuit against SONY to actually ADMIT there was a problem with the PS2? Like that?

lol so owned im sorry to say! This thread is becoming epic lol.

Oh and slambo, how did you address it exactly?

He didn't. He's just window dressing.

[QUOTE="Slambo86"][QUOTE="Nagidar"]

You mean like it taking a Class Action Lawsuit against SONY to actually ADMIT there was a problem with the PS2? Like that?

Nagidar

MS admitted they had a problem and issued a 3 year RRoD warranty, people who bout PS2's before the Lawsuit had to PAY for them to be fixed, you talk about business practices but fail to acknowledge, it took a friggin LAWSUIT, to get SONY to do ANYTHING...

Its funny how stuff like this seems to slip the minds of fanboys...

[QUOTE="Slambo86"]

Wait...are people comparing the DRE to the RROD..the RROD makes dre look like a pushover. Infact its the worst design flaw in a console..ever! How it got the green light is beyond me, but MS knew about it...so it isn't surprising. I find it funny how people go..bu bu sony dus it TOOOOOO.. I addressed that, its only that MS does it a lot worse and with little to no respect.

bingbaocao

i'v had the 360 for 2 years, never had a problem with it.

I'v had 3 PS2's last gen, only one of them still works

[QUOTE="Nagidar"]

[QUOTE="Slambo86"]

Wait...are people comparing the DRE to the RROD..the RROD makes dre look like a pushover. Infact its the worst design flaw in a console..ever! How it got the green light is beyond me, but MS knew about it...so it isn't surprising. I find it funny how people go..bu bu sony dus it TOOOOOO.. I addressed that, its only that MS does it a lot worse and with little to no respect.

Slambo86

You mean like it taking a Class Action Lawsuit against SONY to actually ADMIT there was a problem with the PS2? Like that?

Who is the better guy...the one that makes a huge mistake but puts his hands up and says "my fault, let me put it right for you" all free or..

...the guy who makes a mistake but refuses to acknowledge the mistake, then gets made to reluctantly apologise and doesnt want to put it right?

So ur sayng the RROD issue is fixed with its current solution? You don't think a issue with such defect should be addressed as fast as possible, expecially since they know the problem? MS admitted...of course they did, it was too noticable....they just didn't admit what was coursing it...lol. Again, DRE doesn't even compared to the RROD, i didn't know anyone who had the issue. My launch PS2 is perfect. Slambo86

DRE was too noticeable, but SONY denied it untill the lawsuit, you were saying? Do some research on DRE, you'll be surprised on what you find, instead of argueing without facts...

[QUOTE="bingbaocao"]

[QUOTE="Slambo86"]

Wait...are people comparing the DRE to the RROD..the RROD makes dre look like a pushover. Infact its the worst design flaw in a console..ever! How it got the green light is beyond me, but MS knew about it...so it isn't surprising. I find it funny how people go..bu bu sony dus it TOOOOOO.. I addressed that, its only that MS does it a lot worse and with little to no respect.

Slambo86

i'v had the 360 for 2 years, never had a problem with it.

I'v had 3 PS2's last gen, only one of them still works

It's quite funny that you make this point, because a post you just deleted from this thread contained the same kind of anecdotal evidence. You said "My launch PS2 is perfect".

[QUOTE="bingbaocao"]

[QUOTE="Slambo86"]

Wait...are people comparing the DRE to the RROD..the RROD makes dre look like a pushover. Infact its the worst design flaw in a console..ever! How it got the green light is beyond me, but MS knew about it...so it isn't surprising. I find it funny how people go..bu bu sony dus it TOOOOOO.. I addressed that, its only that MS does it a lot worse and with little to no respect.

Slambo86

i'v had the 360 for 2 years, never had a problem with it.

I'v had 3 PS2's last gen, only one of them still works

In the message I just quoted of you, you did the EXACT same thing...

[QUOTE="Slambo86"][QUOTE="bingbaocao"]

i'v had the 360 for 2 years, never had a problem with it.

I'v had 3 PS2's last gen, only one of them still works

Tragic_Kingdom7

It's quite funny that you make this point, because a post you justdeleted from this threadcontained the same kind of anecdotal evidence. You said "My launch PS2 is perfect".

[QUOTE="Slambo86"][QUOTE="bingbaocao"]

i'v had the 360 for 2 years, never had a problem with it.

I'v had 3 PS2's last gen, only one of them still works

Nagidar

In the message I just quoted of you, you did the EXACT same thing...

It should be noted that he deleted that post. :lol:

[QUOTE="Nagidar"]

[QUOTE="Slambo86"] sorry..since when did the world = you? Tragic_Kingdom7

In the message I just quoted of you, you did the EXACT same thing...

It should be noted that he deleted that post. :lol:

Yeah, he tried to avoid ownage, but I caught him. :lol:

[QUOTE="Nagidar"]

[QUOTE="Slambo86"] Still DOESN'T compare. The problem was NO where near the issue the RROD is now and with MS knowing about it and still not being able to fix SUCH A HUGE ISSUE...is beyond acceptable. And how long has it been? They mask the issue with free repairs....when it should have been fixed ages ago, its that MS are riding it for more sales. bingbaocao

MS admitted they had a problem and issued a 3 year RRoD warranty, people who bout PS2's before the Lawsuit had to PAY for them to be fixed, you talk about business practices but fail to acknowledge, it took a friggin LAWSUIT, to get SONY to do ANYTHING...

Its funny how stuff like this seems to slip the minds of fanboys...

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

[QUOTE="Slambo86"] sorry..since when did the world = you? bingbaocao

It's quite funny that you make this point, because a post you justdeleted from this threadcontained the same kind of anecdotal evidence. You said "My launch PS2 is perfect".

I caught him in one of my quotes, scroll up, you'll see it.

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

[QUOTE="Nagidar"]

In the message I just quoted of you, you did the EXACT same thing...

Nagidar

It should be noted that he deleted that post. :lol:

Yeah, he tried to avoid ownage, but I caught him. :lol:

:lol: This thread is awesome.

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

[QUOTE="Slambo86"] sorry..since when did the world = you? bingbaocao

It's quite funny that you make this point, because a post you justdeleted from this threadcontained the same kind of anecdotal evidence. You said "My launch PS2 is perfect".

Luckily, the post still lives on in quote brackets.

what have they done this gen besides giving a more stable online system? Don't give me achievements, because its nothing but unlockables done last gen but in a different manner.

When the 360 debuted, memory cards, NO full HD, No built in wifi, NO new format, hdmi, no new controller, nothing....it was rushed garbage. Whats even funny, when sony debuted with the attitude of FULL HD, NEW FORMAT..MS laughed and then adopted the same thing and now look at the 360...you could rename the f'en Elite the PS3. (black, 1080p, bigger HDD, HDMI)

Now with the Wii motion controller/ new interface with Mii's and installation seen with some PS3 games, which MS laughed at early on....has them doing the same thing.

MS just sit back and watch, then later adopt it and call it there own (lol at natal). While sony isn't innocent on the deal, atleast..they were first to impliment full HD movies, new format, HDMI, and overall a more quality built console, concerning inbuilt features. There original idea was to do a full entertainment system and both Wii and PS3 stick out on there own...360 is the guy trying to catch up and stick out, desperatly. Both Ninty and SONY had a vision..which was reached...MS had none, but to rush out and try and just take ground on the console war...as with everything.

whats even worse is MS claimed Natal wasn't inspired by the Wii....LMFAO!

No wonder MS is so damn hated.

all this copying and critisizing...including the fact that the 360 is the most flawed peice of hardware (RROD)....is laughable. If it wasn't for there head start, (to gain that much needed support) they would have fopped so hard. MS know this, so thats why they rushed it. Priceless.

i'm done.

Slambo86

Don't forget Sony has the PlayStation Eye, there are quite a few amazing things going on with that right now with Eyepet and The Eye of Judgement.

People always talk about Nintendo (love them as much as Sony) and the "revolution" they made with the wii and it's cheap, slow controller, but nobody ever mentions the Eyetoy/PlayStation Eye. Which is a much more entertaining technology. Also, Sony and Microsoft may have "copied" the Wii's motion sensing, but would you really rather have them abandon the technology all-together just because someone else did it first? Doing something first though does't make them better at it... but Sony is still doing more than that, which is fantastic. :) A few more years from now, the PS3 will be the hottest item on the market :P The 360 is a cheap piece of crap that can't handle a game like Uncharted 2, and I'm NOT speaking in terms of graphics. The only reason I can see people getting a 360 is because they're cheap and want to pirate all of their games. The 360 is subject to piracy right now right? I wouldn't really know... Either that or all they care about is shooters.

BTW, thank you for posting this. I like reading anti-M$ things XD Why the hell anyone likes M$ for ANYTHING is beyond me.... I don't even use pain in the ass Windows anymore unless I absolutely have to. I use Linux.

[QUOTE="bingbaocao"][QUOTE="Nagidar"]

MS admitted they had a problem and issued a 3 year RRoD warranty, people who bout PS2's before the Lawsuit had to PAY for them to be fixed, you talk about business practices but fail to acknowledge, it took a friggin LAWSUIT, to get SONY to do ANYTHING...

Its funny how stuff like this seems to slip the minds of fanboys...

Slambo86

It's funny that you keep harping on about the magnitude of RROD as opposed to DRE as if somehow the difference in magnitude changes the fact that Sony covered for themselves to the point that they were taken to court. I don't see you ranting about that when you do your populist drum beating. Sure, you'll say, "I addressed Sony" but we all know that's just window dressing.Your outrage is completely manufactured.

[QUOTE="bingbaocao"][QUOTE="Nagidar"]

MS admitted they had a problem and issued a 3 year RRoD warranty, people who bout PS2's before the Lawsuit had to PAY for them to be fixed, you talk about business practices but fail to acknowledge, it took a friggin LAWSUIT, to get SONY to do ANYTHING...

Its funny how stuff like this seems to slip the minds of fanboys...

Slambo86

Put it this way, if they were both plumbers, I know who I would hire lol

People always talk about Nintendo (love them as much as Sony) and the "revolution" they made with the wii and it's cheap, slow controller, but nobody ever mentions the Eyetoy/PlayStation Eye. Which is a much more entertaining technology.Ryusuke_Akihiro

The 360 is a cheap piece of crap that can't handle a game like Uncharted 2, and I'm NOT speaking in terms of graphics.Ryusuke_Akihiro

The only reason I can see people getting a 360 is because they're cheap and want to pirate all of their games. The 360 is subject to piracy right now right? I wouldn't really know... Either that or all they care about is shooters.

BTW, thank you for posting this. I like reading anti-M$ things XD Why the hell anyone likes M$ for ANYTHING is beyond me.... I don't even use pain in the ass Windows anymore unless I absolutely have to. I use Linux.

Ryusuke_Akihiro

typical SW..nothing but insults with no arguments or debates.Slambo86

[QUOTE="Slambo86"]typical SW..nothing but insults with no arguments or debates.Dante2710

MS > Sony. 'Nuff said :PIronBass

You must be one of those MS employees he was on about earlier in the thread, no?

what have they done this gen besides giving a more stable online system? Don't give me achievements, because its nothing but unlockables done last gen but in a different manner.

When the 360 debuted, memory cards, NO full HD, No built in wifi, NO new format, hdmi, no new controller, nothing....it was rushed garbage. Whats even funny, when sony debuted with the attitude of FULL HD, NEW FORMAT..MS laughed and then adopted the same thing and now look at the 360...you could rename the f'en Elite the PS3. (black, 1080p, bigger HDD, HDMI)

Now with the Wii motion controller/ new interface with Mii's and installation seen with some PS3 games, which MS laughed at early on....has them doing the same thing.

MS just sit back and watch, then later adopt it and call it there own (lol at natal). While sony isn't innocent on the deal, atleast..they were first to impliment full HD movies, new format, HDMI, and overall a more quality built console, concerning inbuilt features. There original idea was to do a full entertainment system and both Wii and PS3 stick out on there own...360 is the guy trying to catch up and stick out, desperatly. Both Ninty and SONY had a vision..which was reached...MS had none, but to rush out and try and just take ground on the console war...as with everything.

whats even worse is MS claimed Natal wasn't inspired by the Wii....LMFAO!

No wonder MS is so damn hated.

all this copying and critisizing...including the fact that the 360 is the most flawed peice of hardware (RROD)....is laughable. If it wasn't for there head start, (to gain that much needed support) they would have fopped so hard. MS know this, so thats why they rushed it. Priceless.

i'm done.

Slambo86

1) Microsoft gave you an option of buy a system with a memory card or a hard-drive @ different prices, seems fair to me.

2) The Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 only have a few games that run in 1080P nativley, movies is a different subject as the Playstation 3 can support full 1080P movies. And to bad after a $600 price tag you still had to buy an HDMI cable or Component Cable to get the "HD Experience" the Playstation 3 was sold as being.

3) No new controler? Yes it did, they remade the Controller S with some different button placements, and made the guide button. What did Sony do? make a boomerang, then scraped the idea, went back to Dual-Shock 2 revised it and added in Sixaxis but took out the rumble, and guess what else? Added a guide button just like Microsoft had...hmm (All companys take other ideas build on them and put them in their products.)

4) Yeah so the Xbox 360 had some hardware issues, remember the Playstation 2? Yeah I thought so...atleast Microsoft manned up and admitted their was a problem and now offers free repair on the RROD and E74 error for 3 years and refunded everyone who previously paid for a repair before the extended warenty took effect.

5) That new formant is debatable wether or not it is nessecary and pushed the price of the Playstation 3 up to $600 at launch, which made it sell poorly. Now its only $400 but Sony had to cut Playstation 2 backwards compatiblity to get that price (but Microsoft just stopped updating their Backward Compatiblity but atleast you can still play some Xbox games on Xbox 360.)

Oh yeah here is also a list of all the things Sony has done wrong.

Sony isn't Jesus. All companys practice pretty shaddy things and Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo have all done them before, I'm sure there is a list of the wrong things Microsoft has done just as long as the one I posted for Sony, I'm just making a point that Sony isn't innocent and you can't peg a company and priase another for doing Shaddy things.

[QUOTE="IronBass"]MS > Sony. 'Nuff said :PDAZZER7

You must be one of those MS employees he was on about earlier in the thread, no?

[QUOTE="Slambo86"]

what have they done this gen besides giving a more stable online system? Don't give me achievements, because its nothing but unlockables done last gen but in a different manner.

When the 360 debuted, memory cards, NO full HD, No built in wifi, NO new format, hdmi, no new controller, nothing....it was rushed garbage. Whats even funny, when sony debuted with the attitude of FULL HD, NEW FORMAT..MS laughed and then adopted the same thing and now look at the 360...you could rename the f'en Elite the PS3. (black, 1080p, bigger HDD, HDMI)

Now with the Wii motion controller/ new interface with Mii's and installation seen with some PS3 games, which MS laughed at early on....has them doing the same thing.

MS just sit back and watch, then later adopt it and call it there own (lol at natal). While sony isn't innocent on the deal, atleast..they were first to impliment full HD movies, new format, HDMI, and overall a more quality built console, concerning inbuilt features. There original idea was to do a full entertainment system and both Wii and PS3 stick out on there own...360 is the guy trying to catch up and stick out, desperatly. Both Ninty and SONY had a vision..which was reached...MS had none, but to rush out and try and just take ground on the console war...as with everything.

whats even worse is MS claimed Natal wasn't inspired by the Wii....LMFAO!

No wonder MS is so damn hated.

all this copying and critisizing...including the fact that the 360 is the most flawed peice of hardware (RROD)....is laughable. If it wasn't for there head start, (to gain that much needed support) they would have fopped so hard. MS know this, so thats why they rushed it. Priceless.

i'm done.

DarkGamer007

1) Microsoft gave you an option of buy a system with a memory card or a hard-drive @ different prices, seems fair to me.

2) The Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 only have a few games that run in 1080P nativley, movies is a different subject as the Playstation 3 can support full 1080P movies. And to bad after a $600 price tag you still had to buy an HDMI cable or Component Cable to get the "HD Experience" the Playstation 3 was sold as being.

3) No new controler? Yes it did, they remade the Controller S with some different button placements, and made the guide button. What did Sony do? make a boomerang, then scraped the idea, went back to Dual-Shock 2 revised it and added in Sixaxis but took out the rumble, and guess what else? Added a guide button just like Microsoft had...hmm (All companys take other ideas build on them and put them in their products.)

4) Yeah so the Xbox 360 had some hardware issues, remember the Playstation 2? Yeah I thought so...atleast Microsoft manned up and admitted their was a problem and now offers free repair on the RROD and E74 error for 3 years and refunded everyone who previously paid for a repair before the extended warenty took effect.

5) That new formant is debatable wether or not it is nessecary and pushed the price of the Playstation 3 up to $600 at launch, which made it sell poorly. Now its only $400 but Sony had to cut Playstation 2 backwards compatiblity to get that price (but Microsoft just stopped updating their Backward Compatiblity but atleast you can still play some Xbox games on Xbox 360.)

Are you serious? I did not know that...

[QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]

[QUOTE="Slambo86"]

what have they done this gen besides giving a more stable online system? Don't give me achievements, because its nothing but unlockables done last gen but in a different manner.

When the 360 debuted, memory cards, NO full HD, No built in wifi, NO new format, hdmi, no new controller, nothing....it was rushed garbage. Whats even funny, when sony debuted with the attitude of FULL HD, NEW FORMAT..MS laughed and then adopted the same thing and now look at the 360...you could rename the f'en Elite the PS3. (black, 1080p, bigger HDD, HDMI)

Now with the Wii motion controller/ new interface with Mii's and installation seen with some PS3 games, which MS laughed at early on....has them doing the same thing.

MS just sit back and watch, then later adopt it and call it there own (lol at natal). While sony isn't innocent on the deal, atleast..they were first to impliment full HD movies, new format, HDMI, and overall a more quality built console, concerning inbuilt features. There original idea was to do a full entertainment system and both Wii and PS3 stick out on there own...360 is the guy trying to catch up and stick out, desperatly. Both Ninty and SONY had a vision..which was reached...MS had none, but to rush out and try and just take ground on the console war...as with everything.

whats even worse is MS claimed Natal wasn't inspired by the Wii....LMFAO!

No wonder MS is so damn hated.

all this copying and critisizing...including the fact that the 360 is the most flawed peice of hardware (RROD)....is laughable. If it wasn't for there head start, (to gain that much needed support) they would have fopped so hard. MS know this, so thats why they rushed it. Priceless.

i'm done.

Nagidar

1) Microsoft gave you an option of buy a system with a memory card or a hard-drive @ different prices, seems fair to me.

2) The Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 only have a few games that run in 1080P nativley, movies is a different subject as the Playstation 3 can support full 1080P movies. And to bad after a $600 price tag you still had to buy an HDMI cable or Component Cable to get the "HD Experience" the Playstation 3 was sold as being.

3) No new controler? Yes it did, they remade the Controller S with some different button placements, and made the guide button. What did Sony do? make a boomerang, then scraped the idea, went back to Dual-Shock 2 revised it and added in Sixaxis but took out the rumble, and guess what else? Added a guide button just like Microsoft had...hmm (All companys take other ideas build on them and put them in their products.)

4) Yeah so the Xbox 360 had some hardware issues, remember the Playstation 2? Yeah I thought so...atleast Microsoft manned up and admitted their was a problem and now offers free repair on the RROD and E74 error for 3 years and refunded everyone who previously paid for a repair before the extended warenty took effect.

5) That new formant is debatable wether or not it is nessecary and pushed the price of the Playstation 3 up to $600 at launch, which made it sell poorly. Now its only $400 but Sony had to cut Playstation 2 backwards compatiblity to get that price (but Microsoft just stopped updating their Backward Compatiblity but atleast you can still play some Xbox games on Xbox 360.)

Are you serious? I did not know that...

Yep its true, Microsoft refunded peoples money who paid for repairs after the new warrenties took effect.

[QUOTE="Nagidar"]

[QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]

1) Microsoft gave you an option of buy a system with a memory card or a hard-drive @ different prices, seems fair to me.

2) The Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 only have a few games that run in 1080P nativley, movies is a different subject as the Playstation 3 can support full 1080P movies. And to bad after a $600 price tag you still had to buy an HDMI cable or Component Cable to get the "HD Experience" the Playstation 3 was sold as being.

3) No new controler? Yes it did, they remade the Controller S with some different button placements, and made the guide button. What did Sony do? make a boomerang, then scraped the idea, went back to Dual-Shock 2 revised it and added in Sixaxis but took out the rumble, and guess what else? Added a guide button just like Microsoft had...hmm (All companys take other ideas build on them and put them in their products.)

4) Yeah so the Xbox 360 had some hardware issues, remember the Playstation 2? Yeah I thought so...atleast Microsoft manned up and admitted their was a problem and now offers free repair on the RROD and E74 error for 3 years and refunded everyone who previously paid for a repair before the extended warenty took effect.

5) That new formant is debatable wether or not it is nessecary and pushed the price of the Playstation 3 up to $600 at launch, which made it sell poorly. Now its only $400 but Sony had to cut Playstation 2 backwards compatiblity to get that price (but Microsoft just stopped updating their Backward Compatiblity but atleast you can still play some Xbox games on Xbox 360.)

DarkGamer007

Are you serious? I did not know that...

Yep its true, Microsoft refunded peoples money who paid for repairs after the new warrenties took effect.

Wow, MS really did man up, does anyone know if SONY did this with DRE?