Microsoft you CHEAP lying rats.

So Sony never watched what someone else implemented and just copied them?

Nintendo came out with controller with shoulder buttons (SNES). PS1 debutes with shoulder button controller.
Nintendo introduces analog stick and rumble pack to N64 controller. Sony introduces the dual shock controller with analog sticks for PS1.
Nintendo unveils the motion sensing controller for the Wii. Sony which had 1st showed a boomerang controller for the PS3, later goes to the old design with sixaxis, and now these motion sensing sticks.

What a short, short memory sony fanboys have :) :)

So Sony never watched what someone else implemented and just copied them?

Nintendo came out with controller with shoulder buttons (SNES). PS1 debutes with shoulder button controller.
Nintendo introduces analog stick and rumble pack to N64 controller. Sony introduces the dual shock controller with analog sticks for PS1.
Nintendo unveils the motion sensing controller for the Wii. Sony which had 1st showed a boomerang controller for the PS3, later goes to the old design with sixaxis, and now these motion sensing sticks.

What a short, short memory sony fanboys have :) :)

AdobeArtist

Don't expect a response to this post.

When Microsoft marketed Halo Wars by showing only computer-generated graphics and nothing to suggest it is a strategy game, I realize how much perception matters to the company. They seem to give themselves a lot of moral room to mislead their consumers, all in the name of business. And when I really think about it, I have come to believe that Microsoft's business strategy is to keep creating/maintaining false perceptions. Every company tries to create a perception of their products. It knows what is real and what it wants their customers to perceive. What you see or what you hear is not what you thought. Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft all have had their dirty hands on trying to mislead you. Such is the nature of business. However, in this generation, Microsoft stands out like a sore thumb when it comes to creating/maintaining false perceptions. It is my belief that Microsoft has been feeding on these false perceptions since the birth of Xbox 360. And they will pay dearly for it. Below are what I think are false perceptions: False perception #1: Xbox 360's reliability is within market standards. Only after more than a year of lies, denials, and misleading statements did Microsoft finally own up to their shady actions. False perception #2: By offering the 3 yr warranty, a few weeks wait time for repair, and one month of free LIVE,Microsoft should be forgiven for their insistence on selling unreliable hardware. How about no extended warranty for E-74, or other hardware issues? E-74 is becoming a bigger and bigger issue? Link False perception #3: Xbox 360 was an excellent choice for watching disk-based HD movies, the best versions on the market. Remember Microsoft trying to lure you into buying HD-DVD? False perception #4: Blu-ray is not an advantage for HD gaming. Having that extra space definitely gives PS3 exclusive developers an advantage. Games like MGS4, LittleBigPlanet, and Killzone 2 definitely give PS3 exclusives an edge when it comes to the quantity AND quality of sights AND sounds. False perception #5: Motion control is just a gimmick on the PS3. Flower alone proves it is not. There is no game on the market right now that can sooth or relax you as Flower can while you play. Honorable mentions include Warhawk and Killzone 2 as well. More games will continue to use motion control on the PS3. False perception #6: Xbox 360 is as powerful as the PS3. No Xbox game has surpassed Metal Gears Solid 4, let alone Killzone 2. False perception #7: Xbox LIVE-you get what pay for. No you don't. Because for $50 a year, you don't get what PSN gives (according to overall reviews): a. The best multiplayer graphics (MGS4 and Killzone 2) b. The best multiplayer sounds (MGS4 and Killzone 2) c. The best user-generated contents (LittleBigPlanet) d. The largest players vs. players battles, all in HD graphics (Resistance 2, Killzone 2) e. The most soothing/relaxing game ever created (Flower). f. The best place to socialize in the console world (HOME). It is a place where you can hang out with fellow gamers before adding them to your friend's list. You can chat, play games, look at movie and game trailers, enter theme-based spaces like Resident Evil, Uncharted, Far Cry, etc. and meet other gamers interested in the same games, etc. Soon EA will have a very impressive space in HOME as well for you to play free games with other gamers. g. Internet browsing. When you don't have a working computer nearby, you can quickly access the web for the latest news, videos, weather reports, etc. h. The ability to rent AND buy standard AND HD movies from ALL major studios. i. Keyboard and mouse support. j. The full benefits of PSP connectivity k. dedicated servers for major titles. Multiplayer competion on PSN is more fair--host advanatage is not an issue as in LIVE. False perception #8: Xbox 360 is a cheaper console. It is--in the beginning. Microsoft is happy to market their console as the cheapest (the Arcade version), but they don't want to discuss the cost of ownership. If you want a decent HD gaming experience, Xbox 360 actually costs more to own. Buying add-ons like hard disks drives, Wi-Fi costs you way, way more than fair market price. You want to play online? Make that another $50 a year. After 3 years of ownership, Xbox 360 owners are paying more for repairs, $100 per RROD, only to get back another unreliable console. Paying for repairs not covered by the 3 yr warranty, E-74 for example, must also be considered as part of the risks of buying Xbox 360. The process of paying Microsoft for repairs can be perpetual as you keep getting back another unreliable console. False perception #9: Xbox 360 will have a larger install base in the long run. Most analysts still think the PS3, despite trailing the 360 by 7 million or so, will surpass Xbox 360 in install base. Why? My reasons: a) The perceptions Microsoft has been trying to create or maintain have been turning out false. b) The PS3 is more future-proof and will thus have a longer lifespan. c) Because of Sony's heavy investments in first and second party games that take advantage of the PS3's hardware strengths, gamers can expect the PS3 to continue to have the most impressive games this generation. d) By being the most powerful console AND by being a top-tier Blu-ray player-all gamers (PC, Xbox 360, Wii, and PS2 owners) have reasons to own the Playstation 3. e) Xbox 360 games will continue to feel more and more outdated compared with PS3 games. f) Xbox LIVE is becoming more and more of a rip-off. g) Sony will have price cuts. I would recommend Sony market PSN as the destination for premium entertainment before or around the time of the price cuts. With each price cut, the PS3 becomes a cheaper console AND a cheaper Blu-ray player. Why so many false perceptions? I believe Microsoft is really afraid of people buying the PS3. It is willing to lie, deny, and mislead gamers into buying Xbox 360 first. You see, PS3 owners are not likely to buy Xbox 360. It is human nature. Once you experience something really advanced you don't want to go back to something less advanced. Once you experience Blu-ray, you don't want to go back to DVD. Once you own the most powerful console (PS3), you don't want to own Xbox 360. And so, despite Xbox 360 currently leading in sales, I see fear in Microsoft. They know what is real and what perceptions they want to create. Unfortunately for Microsoft, the perceptions they created have portrayed the company in a negative light. A future based on false perceptions is bound to disappoint.bobbbbbywilllll

Seriously, why so many new accounts? Afraid to show everyone who you are?

LOL. I can't believe how much time is wasted on the internet unnecessarily hating on Microsoft. It completely diminshes any real faults they have.

MS > Sony. 'Nuff said :PIronBass

Are you wild guessing now? :roll:

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"] [QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

So Sony never watched what someone else implemented and just copied them?

Nintendo came out with controller with shoulder buttons (SNES). PS1 debutes with shoulder button controller.
Nintendo introduces analog stick and rumble pack to N64 controller. Sony introduces the dual shock controller with analog sticks for PS1.
Nintendo unveils the motion sensing controller for the Wii. Sony which had 1st showed a boomerang controller for the PS3, later goes to the old design with sixaxis, and now these motion sensing sticks.

What a short, short memory sony fanboys have :) :)

Slambo86

Don't expect a response to this post.

If by 'addressed that' you mean saying its perfectly fine for Sony to copy Nintendo but when Microsoft does it they are lying rats then yes, you did in fact very well address that.

[QUOTE="IronBass"]MS > Sony. 'Nuff said :Ptonitorsi

Are you wild guessing now? :roll:

Why do people care what system u play games on ? Is it a pre-teen thing or something:roll:

[QUOTE="tonitorsi"]

[QUOTE="IronBass"]MS > Sony. 'Nuff said :PIronBass

Are you wild guessing now? :roll:

When Microsoft marketed Halo Wars by showing only computer-generated graphics and nothing to suggest it is a strategy game, I realize how much perception matters to the company. They seem to give themselves a lot of moral room to mislead their consumers, all in the name of business. And when I really think about it, I have come to believe that Microsoft's business strategy is to keep creating/maintaining false perceptions.

Every company tries to create a perception of their products. It knows what is real and what it wants their customers to perceive. What you see or what you hear is not what you thought. Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft all have had their dirty hands on trying to mislead you. Such is the nature of business. However, in this generation, Microsoft stands out like a sore thumb when it comes to creating/maintaining false perceptions. It is my belief that Microsoft has been feeding on these false perceptions since the birth of Xbox 360. And they will pay dearly for it. Below are what I think are false perceptions:

False perception #1: Xbox 360's reliability is within market standards. Only after more than a year of lies, denials, and misleading statements did Microsoft finally own up to their shady actions.

False perception #2: By offering the 3 yr warranty, a few weeks wait time for repair, and one month of free LIVE,Microsoft should be forgiven for their insistence on selling unreliable hardware. How about no extended warranty for E-74, or other hardware issues? E-74 is becoming a bigger and bigger issue? Link

False perception #3: Xbox 360 was an excellent choice for watching disk-based HD movies, the best versions on the market. Remember Microsoft trying to lure you into buying HD-DVD?

False perception #4: Blu-ray is not an advantage for HD gaming. Having that extra space definitely gives PS3 exclusive developers an advantage. Games like MGS4, LittleBigPlanet, and Killzone 2 definitely give PS3 exclusives an edge when it comes to the quantity AND quality of sights AND sounds.

False perception #5: Motion control is just a gimmick on the PS3. Flower alone proves it is not. There is no game on the market right now that can sooth or relax you as Flower can while you play. Honorable mentions include Warhawk and Killzone 2 as well. More games will continue to use motion control on the PS3.

False perception #6: Xbox 360 is as powerful as the PS3. No Xbox game has surpassed Metal Gears Solid 4, let alone Killzone 2.

False perception #7: Xbox LIVE-you get what pay for. No you don't. Because for $50 a year, you don't get what PSN gives (according to overall reviews):

a. The best multiplayer graphics (MGS4 and Killzone 2)

b. The best multiplayer sounds (MGS4 and Killzone 2)

c. The best user-generated contents (LittleBigPlanet)

d. The largest players vs. players battles, all in HD graphics (Resistance 2, Killzone 2)

e. The most soothing/relaxing game ever created (Flower).

f. The best place to socialize in the console world (HOME). It is a place where you can hang out with fellow gamers before adding them to your friend's list. You can chat, play games, look at movie and game trailers, enter theme-based spaces like Resident Evil, Uncharted, Far Cry, etc. and meet other gamers interested in the same games, etc. Soon EA will have a very impressive space in HOME as well for you to play free games with other gamers.

g. Internet browsing. When you don't have a working computer nearby, you can quickly access the web for the latest news, videos, weather reports, etc.

h. The ability to rent AND buy standard AND HD movies from ALL major studios.

i. Keyboard and mouse support.

j. The full benefits of PSP connectivity

k. dedicated servers for major titles. Multiplayer competion on PSN is more fair--host advanatage is not an issue as in LIVE.

False perception #8: Xbox 360 is a cheaper console. It is--in the beginning. Microsoft is happy to market their console as the cheapest (the Arcade version), but they don't want to discuss the cost of ownership. If you want a decent HD gaming experience, Xbox 360 actually costs more to own. Buying add-ons like hard disks drives, Wi-Fi costs you way, way more than fair market price. You want to play online? Make that another $50 a year. After 3 years of ownership, Xbox 360 owners are paying more for repairs, $100 per RROD, only to get back another unreliable console. Paying for repairs not covered by the 3 yr warranty, E-74 for example, must also be considered as part of the risks of buying Xbox 360. The process of paying Microsoft for repairs can be perpetual as you keep getting back another unreliable console.

False perception #9: Xbox 360 will have a larger install base in the long run. Most analysts still think the PS3, despite trailing the 360 by 7 million or so, will surpass Xbox 360 in install base. Why? My reasons:

a) The perceptions Microsoft has been trying to create or maintain have been turning out false.

b) The PS3 is more future-proof and will thus have a longer lifespan.

c) Because of Sony's heavy investments in first and second party games that take advantage of the PS3's hardware strengths, gamers can expect the PS3 to continue to have the most impressive games this generation.

d) By being the most powerful console AND by being a top-tier Blu-ray player-all gamers (PC, Xbox 360, Wii, and PS2 owners) have reasons to own the Playstation 3.

e) Xbox 360 games will continue to feel more and more outdated compared with PS3 games.

f) Xbox LIVE is becoming more and more of a rip-off.

g) Sony will have price cuts. I would recommend Sony market PSN as the destination for premium entertainment before or around the time of the price cuts. With each price cut, the PS3 becomes a cheaper console AND a cheaper Blu-ray player.

Why so many false perceptions? I believe Microsoft is really afraid of people buying the PS3. It is willing to lie, deny, and mislead gamers into buying Xbox 360 first. You see, PS3 owners are not likely to buy Xbox 360. It is human nature. Once you experience something really advanced you don't want to go back to something less advanced. Once you experience Blu-ray, you don't want to go back to DVD. Once you own the most powerful console (PS3), you don't want to own Xbox 360.

And so, despite Xbox 360 currently leading in sales, I see fear in Microsoft. They know what is real and what perceptions they want to create. Unfortunately for Microsoft, the perceptions they created have portrayed the company in a negative light. A future based on false perceptions is bound to disappoint.bobbbbbywilllll

you know, just for the heck of it i decided to copy and paste parts of your post on google along with "system wars" and "gamespot"

the result was interesting... sihanouk

^ What.....?????Little_Big_Dude

u nvr heard of modest mouse n00b

what have they done this gen besides giving a more stable online system? Don't give me achievements, because its nothing but unlockables done last gen but in a different manner.

When the 360 debuted, memory cards, NO full HD, No built in wifi, NO new format, hdmi, no new controller, nothing....it was rushed garbage. Whats even funny, when sony debuted with the attitude of FULL HD, NEW FORMAT..MS laughed and then adopted the same thing and now look at the 360...you could rename the f'en Elite the PS3. (black, 1080p, bigger HDD, HDMI)

Now with the Wii motion controller/ new interface with Mii's and installation seen with some PS3 games, which MS laughed at early on....has them doing the same thing.

MS just sit back and watch, then later adopt it and call it there own (lol at natal). While sony isn't innocent on the deal, atleast..they were first to impliment full HD movies, new format, HDMI, and overall a more quality built console, concerning inbuilt features. There original idea was to do a full entertainment system and both Wii and PS3 stick out on there own...360 is the guy trying to catch up and stick out, desperatly. Both Ninty and SONY had a vision..which was reached...MS had none, but to rush out and try and just take ground on the console war...as with everything.

whats even worse is MS claimed Natal wasn't inspired by the Wii....LMFAO!

No wonder MS is so damn hated.

all this copying and critisizing...including the fact that the 360 is the most flawed peice of hardware (RROD)....is laughable. If it wasn't for there head start, (to gain that much needed support) they would have fopped so hard. MS know this, so thats why they rushed it. Priceless.

i'm done.

(singing)

-MaskedMan-

[QUOTE="Little_Big_Dude"]^ What.....?????-MaskedMan-

u nvr heard of modest mouse n00b

Wait, MS has added features and SONY has taken away features and you hate MS?

[QUOTE="Phazevariance"][QUOTE="Slambo86"]

what have they done this gen besides giving a more stable online system? Don't give me achievements, because its nothing but unlockables done last gen but in a different manner.

When the 360 debuted, memory cards, NO full HD, No built in wifi, NO new format, hdmi, no new controller, nothing....it was rushed garbage. Whats even funny, when sony debuted with the attitude of FULL HD, NEW FORMAT..MS laughed and then adopted the same thing and now look at the 360...you could rename the f'en Elite the PS3. (black, 1080p, bigger HDD, HDMI)

Now with the Wii motion controller/ new interface with Mii's and installation seen with some PS3 games, which MS laughed at early on....has them doing the same thing.

MS just sit back and watch, then later adopt it and call it there own (lol at natal). While sony isn't innocent on the deal, atleast..they were first to impliment full HD movies, new format, HDMI, and overall a more quality built console, concerning inbuilt features. There original idea was to do a full entertainment system and both Wii and PS3 stick out on there own...360 is the guy trying to catch up and stick out, desperatly. Both Ninty and SONY had a vision..which was reached...MS had none, but to rush out and try and just take ground on the console war...as with everything.

whats even worse is MS claimed Natal wasn't inspired by the Wii....LMFAO!

No wonder MS is so damn hated.

all this copying and critisizing...including the fact that the 360 is the most flawed peice of hardware (RROD)....is laughable. If it wasn't for there head start, (to gain that much needed support) they would have fopped so hard. MS know this, so thats why they rushed it. Priceless.

i'm done.

Slambo86

he is talkn bout hao haloz iz da best thing in da world

[QUOTE="bingbaocao"][QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

It's quite funny that you make this point, because a post you justdeleted from this threadcontained the same kind of anecdotal evidence. You said "My launch PS2 is perfect".

Nagidar

I caught him in one of my quotes, scroll up, you'll see it.

and the ps3 is doing the catching up right now..

"would you people quite down. i'm trying to watch mr. belvedere."

oh tc, if you didn't read my response, it's a few pages back. to sum it up, you = fail.

I never really liked MicroSoft when it comes to gaming. But I don't hate them that much... Jeez dude, relax. Take a deep breath. The only MAIN problem with the Xbox 360 is that it's so unreliable. That's just my opinoin, but I do consider it as a fact.HMLK09

well that seems to have died down with the introduction of the jasper untis. the real problem with the 360 is the overpriced accessories. $150 for 120GB HDD, my ass.

[QUOTE="Ze_ALEX"][QUOTE="Nagidar"]

I caught him in one of my quotes, scroll up, you'll see it.

-MaskedMan-

hey bro u forgot

I backed my car into a cop car, the other day.
Well he just drove off, sometimes life's ok.
I ran my mouth off a bit too much, oh what did I say.
Well you just laughed it off, it was all ok.

And we'll all float on, ok.
And we'll all float on, ok.
And we'll all float on, ok.
And we'll all float on any way, well.

A fake Jamaican took every last dime with a scam.
It was worth it just to learn some sleight-of-hand.
Bad news comes don't you worry even when it lands.
Good news will work its way to all them plans.
We both got fired on exactly the same day.
Well we'll float on good news is on the way.

And we'll all float on, ok.
And we'll all float on, ok.
And we'll all float on, ok.
And we'll all float on, alright.
Already we'll all float on.
No, don't you worry, we'll all float on.
Alright, already, we'll all float on.
Alright, don't worry, we'll all float on.

Alright already we'll all float on.
Alright already we'll all float on.
Alright don't worry even if things end up a bit too heavy.
We'll all float on...alright. Already we'll all float on.
Alright already we'll all float on, ok.
Don't worry we'll all float on.
Even if things get heavy, we'll all float on.

Alright already we'll all float on.
(Alright)
Don't you worry we'll all float on.
(Alright)
All float on alright....

I agree with TC. Microsoft should stop upgrading their console to make it better.

I mean what kind of low-life wants a better console? disgusting...

[QUOTE="Head_of_games"]MS saw good ideas, and tried to make a better version to make money and provide gamers with a better experience. Is that a problem? Slambo86

[QUOTE="Head_of_games"]MS saw good ideas, and tried to make a better version to make money and provide gamers with a better experience. Is that a problem? Slambo86

what have they done this gen besides giving a more stable online system? Don't give me achievements, because its nothing but unlockables done last gen but in a different manner.

When the 360 debuted, memory cards, NO full HD, No built in wifi, NO new format, hdmi, no new controller, nothing....it was rushed garbage. Whats even funny, when sony debuted with the attitude of FULL HD, NEW FORMAT..MS laughed and then adopted the same thing and now look at the 360...you could rename the f'en Elite the PS3. (black, 1080p, bigger HDD, HDMI)

Now with the Wii motion controller/ new interface with Mii's and installation seen with some PS3 games, which MS laughed at early on....has them doing the same thing.

MS just sit back and watch, then later adopt it and call it there own (lol at natal). While sony isn't innocent on the deal, atleast..they were first to impliment full HD movies, new format, HDMI, and overall a more quality built console, concerning inbuilt features. There original idea was to do a full entertainment system and both Wii and PS3 stick out on there own...360 is the guy trying to catch up and stick out, desperatly. Both Ninty and SONY had a vision..which was reached...MS had none, but to rush out and try and just take ground on the console war...as with everything.

whats even worse is MS claimed Natal wasn't inspired by the Wii....LMFAO!

No wonder MS is so damn hated.

all this copying and critisizing...including the fact that the 360 is the most flawed peice of hardware (RROD)....is laughable. If it wasn't for there head start, (to gain that much needed support) they would have fopped so hard. MS know this, so thats why they rushed it. Priceless.

i'm done.

Slambo86

Microsoft did have a vision, and that was a create a network where all their fanbase is connected. And theyve achieved that through XBL. No other system had anything like achievements until microsoft came along, so dont give me that BS. How exactly did it not have Full HD? VGA supports 1080p. No knew controller? Um i think you'll find the 360 controller is quite way different from the Xbox controller. In fact the PS3 controller is basically the same as always: outdated with triggers and gimmicky motion control. Actually, Microsoft was first to implement HD movies in Xbox Live. I think your just stinging because the PS3 is dead last.

Dont feed the trolll. I know its the System wars board but when somebody disrespects opinions like he is its best to ignore said person.

Tht1Guy7780

Good thing you guys listened. Troll will sleep easy tonight after this banquet.

[QUOTE="HMLK09"]I never really liked MicroSoft when it comes to gaming. But I don't hate them that much... Jeez dude, relax. Take a deep breath. The only MAIN problem with the Xbox 360 is that it's so unreliable. That's just my opinoin, but I do consider it as a fact.cowgriller

well that seems to have died down with the introduction of the jasper untis. the real problem with the 360 is the overpriced accessories. $150 for 120GB HDD, my ass.

the result was interesting... sihanouk

bingbaocao

hahahaha... the "blu-ray date" guy!!!

97%fans of the 360 forum came to this thread. >_______>

Why give a crap about something/someone you don't give a crap about. :roll:

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

[QUOTE="HMLK09"]I never really liked MicroSoft when it comes to gaming. But I don't hate them that much... Jeez dude, relax. Take a deep breath. The only MAIN problem with the Xbox 360 is that it's so unreliable. That's just my opinoin, but I do consider it as a fact.DarkGamer007

well that seems to have died down with the introduction of the jasper untis. the real problem with the 360 is the overpriced accessories. $150 for 120GB HDD, my ass.

i've got a router next to my 360 so i have no need for the wireless. but even still at $90, the hdd is overpriced considering you could get a sata laptop hdd for $46 at newegg.

97%fans of the 360 forum came to this thread.tonitorsi

what have they done this gen besides giving a more stable online system? Don't give me achievements, because its nothing but unlockables done last gen but in a different manner.

When the 360 debuted, memory cards, NO full HD, No built in wifi, NO new format, hdmi, no new controller, nothing....it was rushed garbage. Whats even funny, when sony debuted with the attitude of FULL HD, NEW FORMAT..MS laughed and then adopted the same thing and now look at the 360...you could rename the f'en Elite the PS3. (black, 1080p, bigger HDD, HDMI)

Now with the Wii motion controller/ new interface with Mii's and installation seen with some PS3 games, which MS laughed at early on....has them doing the same thing.

MS just sit back and watch, then later adopt it and call it there own (lol at natal). While sony isn't innocent on the deal, atleast..they were first to impliment full HD movies, new format, HDMI, and overall a more quality built console, concerning inbuilt features. There original idea was to do a full entertainment system and both Wii and PS3 stick out on there own...360 is the guy trying to catch up and stick out, desperatly. Both Ninty and SONY had a vision..which was reached...MS had none, but to rush out and try and just take ground on the console war...as with everything.

whats even worse is MS claimed Natal wasn't inspired by the Wii....LMFAO!

No wonder MS is so damn hated.

all this copying and critisizing...including the fact that the 360 is the most flawed peice of hardware (RROD)....is laughable. If it wasn't for there head start, (to gain that much needed support) they would have fopped so hard. MS know this, so thats why they rushed it. Priceless.

i'm done.

Slambo86

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

[QUOTE="HMLK09"]I never really liked MicroSoft when it comes to gaming. But I don't hate them that much... Jeez dude, relax. Take a deep breath. The only MAIN problem with the Xbox 360 is that it's so unreliable. That's just my opinoin, but I do consider it as a fact.DarkGamer007

well that seems to have died down with the introduction of the jasper untis. the real problem with the 360 is the overpriced accessories. $150 for 120GB HDD, my ass.

[QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

well that seems to have died down with the introduction of the jasper untis. the real problem with the 360 is the overpriced accessories. $150 for 120GB HDD, my ass.

Odrec

the system works properly without them. that's why they're called optional accessories. you don't have to buy them. you don't need to buy them. you can still play games without them.

i've had 2 360's die on me. ms repaired the first. i threw the other out and replaced it with the arcade edition. since i kept the hdd that came with my then called pro edition and the two wireless controls, i didn't need anything more than the arcade. thankfully i bought a jasper. it's cooler and quieter.

what have they done this gen besides giving a more stable online system? Don't give me achievements, because its nothing but unlockables done last gen but in a different manner.

When the 360 debuted, memory cards, NO full HD, No built in wifi, NO new format, hdmi, no new controller, nothing....it was rushed garbage. Whats even funny, when sony debuted with the attitude of FULL HD, NEW FORMAT..MS laughed and then adopted the same thing and now look at the 360...you could rename the f'en Elite the PS3. (black, 1080p, bigger HDD, HDMI)

Now with the Wii motion controller/ new interface with Mii's and installation seen with some PS3 games, which MS laughed at early on....has them doing the same thing.

MS just sit back and watch, then later adopt it and call it there own (lol at natal). While sony isn't innocent on the deal, atleast..they were first to impliment full HD movies, new format, HDMI, and overall a more quality built console, concerning inbuilt features. There original idea was to do a full entertainment system and both Wii and PS3 stick out on there own...360 is the guy trying to catch up and stick out, desperatly. Both Ninty and SONY had a vision..which was reached...MS had none, but to rush out and try and just take ground on the console war...as with everything.

whats even worse is MS claimed Natal wasn't inspired by the Wii....LMFAO!

No wonder MS is so damn hated.

all this copying and critisizing...including the fact that the 360 is the most flawed peice of hardware (RROD)....is laughable. If it wasn't for there head start, (to gain that much needed support) they would have fopped so hard. MS know this, so thats why they rushed it. Priceless.

i'm done.

Slambo86

Just ingore the person with the sig saying killzone is a halo killer.

[QUOTE="Odrec"][QUOTE="DarkGamer007"] Yeah it does suck even though I did buy the Wireless Adapter at full price but got a 120 Gig HDD for $90 and then sold my 20 Gig HDD for $20. :)

cowgriller

the system works properly without them. that's why they're called optional accessories. you don't have to buy them. you don't need to buy them. you can still play games without them.

[QUOTE="Slambo86"]

what have they done this gen besides giving a more stable online system? Don't give me achievements, because its nothing but unlockables done last gen but in a different manner.

When the 360 debuted, memory cards, NO full HD, No built in wifi, NO new format, hdmi, no new controller, nothing....it was rushed garbage. Whats even funny, when sony debuted with the attitude of FULL HD, NEW FORMAT..MS laughed and then adopted the same thing and now look at the 360...you could rename the f'en Elite the PS3. (black, 1080p, bigger HDD, HDMI)

Now with the Wii motion controller/ new interface with Mii's and installation seen with some PS3 games, which MS laughed at early on....has them doing the same thing.

MS just sit back and watch, then later adopt it and call it there own (lol at natal). While sony isn't innocent on the deal, atleast..they were first to impliment full HD movies, new format, HDMI, and overall a more quality built console, concerning inbuilt features. There original idea was to do a full entertainment system and both Wii and PS3 stick out on there own...360 is the guy trying to catch up and stick out, desperatly. Both Ninty and SONY had a vision..which was reached...MS had none, but to rush out and try and just take ground on the console war...as with everything.

whats even worse is MS claimed Natal wasn't inspired by the Wii....LMFAO!

No wonder MS is so damn hated.

all this copying and critisizing...including the fact that the 360 is the most flawed peice of hardware (RROD)....is laughable. If it wasn't for there head start, (to gain that much needed support) they would have fopped so hard. MS know this, so thats why they rushed it. Priceless.

i'm done.

SragentThom

Just ingore the person with the sig saying killzone is a halo killer.

Killzone 2 plays out much better, bigger, modern.

Is war perfected after all. :|

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

[QUOTE="Odrec"] So can we call people like you Xbox's cows since they got milked to pay practically the cost of a PS3 in order to make their system work properly? how about those who have had to buy several Xboxes because they keep breaking up after the warranty expired?Odrec

the system works properly without them. that's why they're called optional accessories. you don't have to buy them. you don't need to buy them. you can still play games without them.

if everything come in one package for a good price, it's not milkage. if you have to buy accessories in order to play a game, like last gen when you needed to buy the ps2 hdd and network adapter to play everquest 2, that's milkage.

[QUOTE="Odrec"][QUOTE="cowgriller"]

the system works properly without them. that's why they're called optional accessories. you don't have to buy them. you don't need to buy them. you can still play games without them.

cowgriller

if everything come in one package for a good price, it's not milkage. if you have to buy accessories in order to play a game, like last gen when you needed to buy the ps2 hdd and network adapter to play everquest 2, that's milkage.