Microsoft's Xbox 360 strategy: buy now before you realize the problems

Remember the Red Ring of Death problem? Even though Microsoft management knew of the hardware problems, they still mass produced the consoles! Their strategy then? Encourage the gamers to buy Xbox 360 before they realize the problems.

Forward to 2008, the year Sony claims as the year of the PS3. Xbox 360 has fewer exclusives in 2008. It seems to have even fewer exclusives in 2009. Games are starting to look/sound equal or better on the PS3. Sony is claiming again and again that the PS3 is more future proof than Xbox 360. All of a sudden, Microsoft had two price cuts in one year.

What is going? How is this connected to the Red Ring of Death problem? Same strategy, folks. Encourage gamers to buy the 360 now before they fully realize the weaknesses of Xbox 360.

It may be a short-term smart strategy for Microsoft, but I dont' think it is a strategy that is good for consumers looking for the most value for their money. Comes 2009, the PS3's superiority in console power and first/second party investments will be even more obvious.

I think everyone has heard of the RROD. No one is being "tricked" into buying it. And if you are buying it unaware of the possible hardware issues, that is your own fault for buying a piece of hardware without doing any sort of research.

Its not like some big secret swept under the rug.

SONY's PS2 strategy: Buy a PS2 before you realize the problems.

SONY's PS3 strategy: Buy a PS3 for Blu-ray.

I think everyone has heard of the RROD. No one is being "tricked" into buying it. And if you are buying it unaware of the possible hardware issues, that is your own fault for buying a piece of hardware without doing any sort of research.

Its not like some big secret swept under the rug.

HappyAppe

Everyone NOW has heard of it. Just about everyone, if you want to be technical. However, it took Microsoft a year and a half to admit the problems. They even shut down the forum on their site when gamers complain about hardware issues in the beginning. There is no way anyone can defend Microsoft and their sneaky methods in dealing with hardware issues, at least during the first two years.

[QUOTE="HappyAppe"]

I think everyone has heard of the RROD. No one is being "tricked" into buying it. And if you are buying it unaware of the possible hardware issues, that is your own fault for buying a piece of hardware without doing any sort of research.

Its not like some big secret swept under the rug.

Sihanouk

Everyone NOW has heard of it. Just about everyone, if you want to be technical. However, it took Microsoft a year and a half to admit the problems. They even shut down the forum on their site when gamers complain about hardware issues in the beginning. There is no way anyone can defend Microsoft and their sneaky methods in dealing with hardware issues, at least during the first two years.

You mean like SONY's DRE?

See ya' later Sihanouk!!ImOldGreg

Why? Check out the anti-PS3 threads that are much, much less reasonable than this one. There are currently too many anti PS3 threads here that mods don't do anything about.

[QUOTE="Sihanouk"][QUOTE="HappyAppe"]

I think everyone has heard of the RROD. No one is being "tricked" into buying it. And if you are buying it unaware of the possible hardware issues, that is your own fault for buying a piece of hardware without doing any sort of research.

Its not like some big secret swept under the rug.

Nagidar

Everyone NOW has heard of it. Just about everyone, if you want to be technical. However, it took Microsoft a year and a half to admit the problems. They even shut down the forum on their site when gamers complain about hardware issues in the beginning. There is no way anyone can defend Microsoft and their sneaky methods in dealing with hardware issues, at least during the first two years.

You mean like SONY's DRE?

DRE was a much, much less pravelent/troublesome than RROD. Still, two wrongs don't make a right.

[QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="Sihanouk"][QUOTE="HappyAppe"]

I think everyone has heard of the RROD. No one is being "tricked" into buying it. And if you are buying it unaware of the possible hardware issues, that is your own fault for buying a piece of hardware without doing any sort of research.

Its not like some big secret swept under the rug.

Sihanouk

Everyone NOW has heard of it. Just about everyone, if you want to be technical. However, it took Microsoft a year and a half to admit the problems. They even shut down the forum on their site when gamers complain about hardware issues in the beginning. There is no way anyone can defend Microsoft and their sneaky methods in dealing with hardware issues, at least during the first two years.

You mean like SONY's DRE?

DRE was a much, much less pravelent/troublesome than RROD. Still, two wrongs don't make a right.

What? SONY had to be SUED before they would even admit there was a problem...

[QUOTE="Sihanouk"][QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="Sihanouk"][QUOTE="HappyAppe"]

I think everyone has heard of the RROD. No one is being "tricked" into buying it. And if you are buying it unaware of the possible hardware issues, that is your own fault for buying a piece of hardware without doing any sort of research.

Its not like some big secret swept under the rug.

Nagidar

Everyone NOW has heard of it. Just about everyone, if you want to be technical. However, it took Microsoft a year and a half to admit the problems. They even shut down the forum on their site when gamers complain about hardware issues in the beginning. There is no way anyone can defend Microsoft and their sneaky methods in dealing with hardware issues, at least during the first two years.

You mean like SONY's DRE?

DRE was a much, much less pravelent/troublesome than RROD. Still, two wrongs don't make a right.

What? SONY had to be SUED before they would even admit there was a problem...

Still,I repeat: DRE was a much, much less pravelent/troublesome than RROD. Still, two wrongs don't make a right.

[QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="Sihanouk"][QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

Everyone NOW has heard of it. Just about everyone, if you want to be technical. However, it took Microsoft a year and a half to admit the problems. They even shut down the forum on their site when gamers complain about hardware issues in the beginning. There is no way anyone can defend Microsoft and their sneaky methods in dealing with hardware issues, at least during the first two years.

Sihanouk

You mean like SONY's DRE?

DRE was a much, much less pravelent/troublesome than RROD. Still, two wrongs don't make a right.

What? SONY had to be SUED before they would even admit there was a problem...

Still,I repeat: DRE was a much, much less pravelent/troublesome than RROD. Still, two wrongs don't make a right.

No, it wasn't, I went through 3 PS2's within a 6 month time frame and don't say it wasn't as troublesome, because it was SO troublesome, SONY was sued over it.

[QUOTE="Sihanouk"][QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="Sihanouk"][QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

Everyone NOW has heard of it. Just about everyone, if you want to be technical. However, it took Microsoft a year and a half to admit the problems. They even shut down the forum on their site when gamers complain about hardware issues in the beginning. There is no way anyone can defend Microsoft and their sneaky methods in dealing with hardware issues, at least during the first two years.

Nagidar

You mean like SONY's DRE?

DRE was a much, much less pravelent/troublesome than RROD. Still, two wrongs don't make a right.

What? SONY had to be SUED before they would even admit there was a problem...

Still,I repeat: DRE was a much, much less pravelent/troublesome than RROD. Still, two wrongs don't make a right.

No, it wasn't, I went through 3 PS2's within a 6 month time frame and don't say it wasn't as troublesome, because it was SO troublesome, SONY was sued over it.

You cannot be convinced. You may have the last words.

I doubt most 'casuals' even know of this RRoD problem.

And however much you don't like it those casuals make up the majority of 360 buyers.

how come nobody talks about detective blu ray drives?

my 360's 2 years old and works fine...never had bullcrap red ring of bs

[QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="Sihanouk"][QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

DRE was a much, much less pravelent/troublesome than RROD. Still, two wrongs don't make a right.

Sihanouk

What? SONY had to be SUED before they would even admit there was a problem...

Still,I repeat: DRE was a much, much less pravelent/troublesome than RROD. Still, two wrongs don't make a right.

No, it wasn't, I went through 3 PS2's within a 6 month time frame and don't say it wasn't as troublesome, because it was SO troublesome, SONY was sued over it.

You cannot be convinced. You may have the last words.

No, you're a fanboy and can't open your eyes and see that BOTH MS and SONY could care less about there customers as long as customers buy their products, BOTH RRoD and DRE were BAD, neither was worse than the other, the difference is SONY fixed their issue sooner because they got sued, MS put a warranty in place until they can fix it.

MS learned from the DRE and pulled the waranty card out of there behind to save them billions before the suit could be filed against them. and DRE was nowhere near as bad as RROD, it was a prelevelant problem but machines were not droping left right and center at launch.Jynxzor

Yes it was, i went through 3 PS2's (still have my 4th) i still havnt had an RROD though (day 1 launch 360 Premium, traded it still perfectly working for an Elite and no problems with that either).

Maybe not at launch but it was just as bad as the RROD issue and whats worse was that Sony refused to repair the consoles out of warranty until they go sued, and at that point an absolute ton of customers were SOL.

SOny startegy buy a blu ray player. Buy the system even if it has no games.too_much_eslim

Okay. Are you still saying PS3 doesnt have games?

[QUOTE="Jynxzor"]MS learned from the DRE and pulled the waranty card out of there behind to save them billions before the suit could be filed against them. and DRE was nowhere near as bad as RROD, it was a prelevelant problem but machines were not droping left right and center at launch.Snugenz

Yes it was, i went through 3 PS2's (still have my 4th) i still havnt had an RROD though (day 1 launch 360 Premium, traded it still perfectly working for an Elite and no problems with that either).

Maybe not at launch but it was just as bad as the RROD issue and whats worse was that Sony refused to repair the consoles out of warranty until they go sued, and at that point an absolute ton of customers were SOL.

Please link me to the numbers of PS2's with DRE and not just your bad experience then, or your no better than people making up fake RROD's

[QUOTE="Snugenz"]

[QUOTE="Jynxzor"]MS learned from the DRE and pulled the waranty card out of there behind to save them billions before the suit could be filed against them. and DRE was nowhere near as bad as RROD, it was a prelevelant problem but machines were not droping left right and center at launch.Jynxzor

Yes it was, i went through 3 PS2's (still have my 4th) i still havnt had an RROD though (day 1 launch 360 Premium, traded it still perfectly working for an Elite and no problems with that either).

Maybe not at launch but it was just as bad as the RROD issue and whats worse was that Sony refused to repair the consoles out of warranty until they go sued, and at that point an absolute ton of customers were SOL.

Please link me to the numbers of PS2's with DRE and not just your bad experience then, or your no better than people making up fake RROD's

I worked at an independent game store at the time and i remember the tons of return/complaints we got because of it, and i live in a relatively small town in Ireland. Of course maybe my town was the only one that got the bad PS2's right?:roll:

Its an assumption, i guessing that since you're asking for a link to numbers that you're actually assuming aswell?

Guess what I work at an electronics store as well, and I didn't get as many PS2's back as I did 360's in my time, Guess my town is different am I right?

it's your burden to proove your point, it's well known that 360 crap out all the time and PS2's DRE was nowhere near as bad as the 360's RROD.

I think everyone has heard of the RROD. No one is being "tricked" into buying it. And if you are buying it unaware of the possible hardware issues, that is your own fault for buying a piece of hardware without doing any sort of research.

HappyAppe

That is the most ridiculous logic I have heard to date.

We're talking about Microsoft business practices. Not common sense.

The point here is that people shouldn't have to expect it to break under the weight of its own use. It's not normal, or ideal, consumer routine for people to expect a "defect" clause.

SOny startegy buy a blu ray player. Buy the system even if it has no games.too_much_eslim

Are you saying it doesn't have games right now?

[QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="Sihanouk"][QUOTE="HappyAppe"]

I think everyone has heard of the RROD. No one is being "tricked" into buying it. And if you are buying it unaware of the possible hardware issues, that is your own fault for buying a piece of hardware without doing any sort of research.

Its not like some big secret swept under the rug.

Sihanouk

Everyone NOW has heard of it. Just about everyone, if you want to be technical. However, it took Microsoft a year and a half to admit the problems. They even shut down the forum on their site when gamers complain about hardware issues in the beginning. There is no way anyone can defend Microsoft and their sneaky methods in dealing with hardware issues, at least during the first two years.

You mean like SONY's DRE?

DRE was a much, much less pravelent/troublesome than RROD. Still, two wrongs don't make a right.

No it wasent,I had to send my PS2 in SEVEN times to have it fixed for the DRE problem! SEVEN! And Im not a fanboy look at my sig I own an xbox 360 AND a PS3 shaggyaz

Uh huh. And you're certainly representative of the entire PS2 consumer populace.

The DRE problem was never even close to as bad as RROD. I worked in retail as well and there was nary a return or repair. Considering a consumer outlet has a larger frame of reference than you, I'd say my anecdote is more demonstrative of the overall DRE statistic.

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]SOny startegy buy a blu ray player. Buy the system even if it has no games.Pariah_001

Are you saying it doesn't have games right now?

[QUOTE="shaggyaz"]No it wasent,I had to send my PS2 in SEVEN times to have it fixed for the DRE problem! SEVEN! And Im not a fanboy look at my sig I own an xbox 360 AND a PS3 Pariah_001

Uh huh. And you're certainly representative of the entire PS2 consumer populace.

The DRE problem was never even close to as bad as RROD.

Guess what I work at an electronics store as well, and I didn't get as many PS2's back as I did 360's in my time, Guess my town is different am I right?

it's your burden to proove your point, it's well known that 360 crap out all the time and PS2's DRE was nowhere near as bad as the 360's RROD.

Jynxzor

You claim its well known yet you dont post any proof either.

I dont work in that game store or any game store anymore so i havnt seen the 360 returns first hand and sure i could imagine that the 360 RROD numbers could be higher than the PS2 DRE's, but to claim that the DRE issue wasnt as bad as the RROD issue is silly because at the end of the day tons of customers on both consoles got fk'ed.

Also dont get me wrong, just because i've been lucky with my 360's doesnt mean i think that everyone who claims to have gotten an RROD is lying.

Guess what I work at an electronics store as well, and I didn't get as many PS2's back as I did 360's in my time, Guess my town is different am I right?

it's your burden to proove your point, it's well known that 360 crap out all the time and PS2's DRE was nowhere near as bad as the 360's RROD.

Jynxzor

With the massive sales of the PS2 you don't think that there were a lot of instances of DRE? The PS2 was selling more then the Wii at this point in its life.

Shinji Mikami was complaining about PS2's crap hardware while making RE4 man. You know when RE4 was out? Not only this Sony got hit by a class action lawsuit for PS2 something MS hasn't recieved.

[QUOTE="ImOldGreg"]See ya' later Sihanouk!!Sihanouk

Why? Check out the anti-PS3 threads that are much, much less reasonable than this one. There are currently too many anti PS3 threads here that mods don't do anything about.

DRE was a much, much less pravelent/troublesome than RROD. Still, two wrongs don't make a right.

Sihanouk

The irony.

[QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

[QUOTE="ImOldGreg"]See ya' later Sihanouk!!Kickinurass

Why? Check out the anti-PS3 threads that are much, much less reasonable than this one. There are currently too many anti PS3 threads here that mods don't do anything about.

DRE was a much, much less pravelent/troublesome than RROD. Still, two wrongs don't make a right.

Sihanouk

The irony.

LOL. Gotta admit it. You showed some good insight there. You got me:)

[QUOTE="Jynxzor"]

Guess what I work at an electronics store as well, and I didn't get as many PS2's back as I did 360's in my time, Guess my town is different am I right?

it's your burden to proove your point, it's well known that 360 crap out all the time and PS2's DRE was nowhere near as bad as the 360's RROD.

Blackbond

With the massive sales of the PS2 you don't think that there were a lot of instances of DRE? The PS2 was selling more then the Wii at this point in its life.

Shinji Mikami was complaining about PS2's crap hardware while making RE4 man. You know when RE4 was out? Not only this Sony got hit by a class action lawsuit for PS2 something MS hasn't recieved.

You know why MS didn't get a lawsuit? Because before it could be mounted they extended the waranty appeasing the would be clients for any class action lawsuit, they have also decreased the probabillity of RROD with new chipsets and solder to a more tolerable level.

So any new class action suit would be pretty much useless.

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"][QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

[QUOTE="ImOldGreg"]See ya' later Sihanouk!!Sihanouk

Why? Check out the anti-PS3 threads that are much, much less reasonable than this one. There are currently too many anti PS3 threads here that mods don't do anything about.

DRE was a much, much less pravelent/troublesome than RROD. Still, two wrongs don't make a right.

Sihanouk

The irony.

LOL. Gotta admit it. You showed some good insight there. You got me:)

It was worth a nice chuckle for me too.

On topic, I disagree. I'd stay and argue your points, but I just got out of my architecture studio. I'm going to read some more Zombie Survival Guide and go to bed.

LOL comone quit being a fanboy,the DRE was just as bad as RROD,its common knowledge that the PS2 were notorious for the DRE,Im not gonna argue with you,like I said Im not a fanboyshaggyaz

No. It's not common knowledge. It's outright false.

Simply saying, "It's common knowledge," does not prove your case. And because you posited the claim, the burden of proof lies squarely on you.

The repetitive claim that DRE was as bad as RROD is a pitiful attempt at rationalizing RROD in the face of the Sony console even when the fact of the matter is that the DRE problem was never as bad as the RROD problem is.

The best anyone can seem to offer is that, like RROD, DRE spawned a class action lawsuit. The problem with this line of reasoning being that lawsuits are filed against big corporations all the time--And guess what. They're oft times frivolous. That in and of itself, proves nothing.

In the case of RROD however, there is a correspondance between retailers and the post office with the consumer base in which the statistics of how many defective 360s there are is clearly measurable. The 'DRE was just as bad or worse' crowd can't even bring any solid numbers to the table; just a class action lawsuit and a few anecdotes that aren't nearly as substantiated as the RROD anecdotes.

none out now that will make me buy a PS3. There are games though for the PS3. But you would have to like that stuff.too_much_eslim

That's true of any console.

Sony's strategy: Buy a PS3 before you realize its just a blu-ray player.

See, I can do that too.

[QUOTE="shaggyaz"]LOL comone quit being a fanboy,the DRE was just as bad as RROD,its common knowledge that the PS2 were notorious for the DRE,Im not gonna argue with you,like I said Im not a fanboyPariah_001

No. It's not common knowledge. It's outright false.

Simply saying, "It's common knowledge," does not prove your case. And because you posited the claim, the burden of proof lies squarely on you.

The repetitive claim that DRE was as bad as RROD is a pitiful attempt at rationalizing RROD in the face of the Sony console even when the fact of the matter is that the DRE problem was never as bad as the RROD problem is.

The best anyone can seem to offer is that, like RROD, DRE spawned a class action lawsuit. The problem with this line of reasoning being that lawsuits are filed against big corporations all the time--And guess what. They're oft times frivolous. That in and of itself, proves nothing.

In the case of RROD however, there is a correspondance between retailers and the post office with the consumer base in which the statistics of how many defective 360s there are is clearly measurable. The 'DRE was just as bad or worse' crowd can't even bring any solid numbers to the table; just a class action lawsuit and a few anecdotes that aren't nearly as substantiated as the RROD anecdotes.

With the massive sales of the PS2 you don't think that there were a lot of instances of DRE? The PS2 was selling more then the Wii at this point in its life.Blackbond

Sony has just as many PS3s sold as the 360s that Microsoft admits are defective (at least 10 million), and yet the defective rate is less than 1%.

Great logic there.

Shinji Mikami was complaining about PS2's crap hardware while making RE4 man. You know when RE4 was out? Not only this Sony got hit by a class action lawsuit for PS2 something MS hasn't recieved.Blackbond

First: Whatever Mikami said about the PS2, it had nothing to do with DRE.

Second: Microsoft was being served up with a class action lawsuit before they added the warranty.

Remember the Red Ring of Death problem? Even though Microsoft management knew of the hardware problems, they still mass produced the consoles! Their strategy then? Encourage the gamers to buy Xbox 360 before they realize the problems.

Forward to 2008, the year Sony claims as the year of the PS3. Xbox 360 has fewer exclusives in 2008. It seems to have even fewer exclusives in 2009. Games are starting to look/sound equal or better on the PS3. Sony is claiming again and again that the PS3 is more future proof than Xbox 360. All of a sudden, Microsoft had two price cuts in one year.

What is going? How is this connected to the Red Ring of Death problem? Same strategy, folks. Encourage gamers to buy the 360 now before they fully realize the weaknesses of Xbox 360.

It may be a short-term smart strategy for Microsoft, but I dont' think it is a strategy that is good for consumers looking for the most value for their money. Comes 2009, the PS3's superiority in console power and first/second party investments will be even more obvious.

Sihanouk

No unfortunately, it doesn't work like that. If you had even the slightest idea of how the economy and a company works, you would know that the more you sell, the more you manufacturer; the more you manufactuer, the more material you use;, the more material you use, the bigger bulk and therefore cheaper the parts become. THAT is why they can have price drops.

Also, I havent seen a lot of multiplatform games looking better on the ps3 lately. The 360 has demonstrated its ability to match and beat out the PS3 in graphics, and for a console that was released a year earlier than the PS3, its still selling better, the PS3 is the real console in trouble. It's not a case of the SP3 is winning and MS is panicing, its a case of MS is winning and you are too fanboyish to realize that the almighty Sony isn't on top this generation.

and how are you proving your case?shaggyaz

I don't need to prove anything. You're the one who's brought your case to the table with just an anecdote and the phrase "common knowledge." Again: The burden of proof is on you.

by saying you worked in retail and you never got any returns? that doesnt prove a thing,shaggyaz

You're the one who set the standard for anecdotal evidence being admissible in this thread (see also: You had to get your PS2 repaired 7 times). I know it doesn't prove anything, but going by your standards of what you consider to be an adequate argument, my eye witness account in retail scores higher on the pecking order than your (allegedly) defective system story.

I guess all the claims of the DRE problem were false right?I guess the same could be said about the RROD claims wich we all know is bull****,shaggyaz

I'm not saying some of the DRE claims are false. I'm saying there's no culpability to the claim that it was as bad as the RROD problem.

[QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

Remember the Red Ring of Death problem? Even though Microsoft management knew of the hardware problems, they still mass produced the consoles! Their strategy then? Encourage the gamers to buy Xbox 360 before they realize the problems.

Forward to 2008, the year Sony claims as the year of the PS3. Xbox 360 has fewer exclusives in 2008. It seems to have even fewer exclusives in 2009. Games are starting to look/sound equal or better on the PS3. Sony is claiming again and again that the PS3 is more future proof than Xbox 360. All of a sudden, Microsoft had two price cuts in one year.

What is going? How is this connected to the Red Ring of Death problem? Same strategy, folks. Encourage gamers to buy the 360 now before they fully realize the weaknesses of Xbox 360.

It may be a short-term smart strategy for Microsoft, but I dont' think it is a strategy that is good for consumers looking for the most value for their money. Comes 2009, the PS3's superiority in console power and first/second party investments will be even more obvious.

Phazevariance

No unfortunately, it doesn't work like that. If you had even the slightest idea of how the economy and a company works, you would know that the more you sell, the more you manufacturer; the more you manufactuer, the more material you use;, the more material you use, the bigger bulk and therefore cheaper the parts become. THAT is why they can have price drops.

Also, I havent seen a lot of multiplatform games looking better on the ps3 lately. The 360 has demonstrated its ability to match and beat out the PS3 in graphics, and for a console that was released a year earlier than the PS3, its still selling better, the PS3 is the real console in trouble. It's not a case of the SP3 is winning and MS is panicing, its a case of MS is winning and you are too fanboyish to realize that the almighty Sony isn't on top this generation.

Name one game that looks better then all ps3 games

[QUOTE="shaggyaz"]and how are you proving your case?Pariah_001

I don't need to prove anything. You're the one who's brought your case to the table with just an anecdote and the phrase "common knowledge." Again: The burden of proof is on you.

by saying you worked in retail and you never got any returns? that doesnt prove a thing,shaggyaz

You're the one who set the standard for anecdotal evidence being admissible in this thread (see also: You had to get your PS2 repaired 7 times). I know it doesn't prove anything, but going by your standards of what you consider to be an adequate argument, my eye witness account in retail scores higher on the pecking order than your (allegedly) defective system story.

I guess all the claims of the DRE problem were false right?I guess the same could be said about the RROD claims wich we all know is bull****,shaggyaz

I'm not saying some of the DRE claims are false. I'm saying there's no culpability to the claim that it was as bad as the RROD problem.

Name one game that looks better then all ps3 games

njean777

[QUOTE="njean777"]

Name one game that looks better then all ps3 games

angelkimne

what assassins creed is on ps3 what are you trying to say?

[QUOTE="angelkimne"][QUOTE="njean777"]

Name one game that looks better then all ps3 games

njean777

what assassins creed is on ps3 what are you trying to say?

[QUOTE="Phazevariance"][QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

Remember the Red Ring of Death problem? Even though Microsoft management knew of the hardware problems, they still mass produced the consoles! Their strategy then? Encourage the gamers to buy Xbox 360 before they realize the problems.

Forward to 2008, the year Sony claims as the year of the PS3. Xbox 360 has fewer exclusives in 2008. It seems to have even fewer exclusives in 2009. Games are starting to look/sound equal or better on the PS3. Sony is claiming again and again that the PS3 is more future proof than Xbox 360. All of a sudden, Microsoft had two price cuts in one year.

What is going? How is this connected to the Red Ring of Death problem? Same strategy, folks. Encourage gamers to buy the 360 now before they fully realize the weaknesses of Xbox 360.

It may be a short-term smart strategy for Microsoft, but I dont' think it is a strategy that is good for consumers looking for the most value for their money. Comes 2009, the PS3's superiority in console power and first/second party investments will be even more obvious.

njean777

No unfortunately, it doesn't work like that. If you had even the slightest idea of how the economy and a company works, you would know that the more you sell, the more you manufacturer; the more you manufactuer, the more material you use;, the more material you use, the bigger bulk and therefore cheaper the parts become. THAT is why they can have price drops.

Also, I havent seen a lot of multiplatform games looking better on the ps3 lately. The 360 has demonstrated its ability to match and beat out the PS3 in graphics, and for a console that was released a year earlier than the PS3, its still selling better, the PS3 is the real console in trouble. It's not a case of the SP3 is winning and MS is panicing, its a case of MS is winning and you are too fanboyish to realize that the almighty Sony isn't on top this generation.

Name one game that looks better then all ps3 games

Do you really want to turn this thread into a 360 vs ps3 graphics war like every other thread? Lets just assume that it even matches the ps3's top game that is available, and the fact that it was out a year earlier really beats ps3's delayed release into their faces.

No matter what game I choose, someone will post another competitors game that htey feel looks better, to which someone else will rebuttle with another 360 game that they feel trumps that other game in such and such category, and the figh tjust goes on forever, with NO end.

BAIT = fail

[QUOTE="njean777"][QUOTE="Phazevariance"][QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

Remember the Red Ring of Death problem? Even though Microsoft management knew of the hardware problems, they still mass produced the consoles! Their strategy then? Encourage the gamers to buy Xbox 360 before they realize the problems.

Forward to 2008, the year Sony claims as the year of the PS3. Xbox 360 has fewer exclusives in 2008. It seems to have even fewer exclusives in 2009. Games are starting to look/sound equal or better on the PS3. Sony is claiming again and again that the PS3 is more future proof than Xbox 360. All of a sudden, Microsoft had two price cuts in one year.

What is going? How is this connected to the Red Ring of Death problem? Same strategy, folks. Encourage gamers to buy the 360 now before they fully realize the weaknesses of Xbox 360.

It may be a short-term smart strategy for Microsoft, but I dont' think it is a strategy that is good for consumers looking for the most value for their money. Comes 2009, the PS3's superiority in console power and first/second party investments will be even more obvious.

Phazevariance

No unfortunately, it doesn't work like that. If you had even the slightest idea of how the economy and a company works, you would know that the more you sell, the more you manufacturer; the more you manufactuer, the more material you use;, the more material you use, the bigger bulk and therefore cheaper the parts become. THAT is why they can have price drops.

Also, I havent seen a lot of multiplatform games looking better on the ps3 lately. The 360 has demonstrated its ability to match and beat out the PS3 in graphics, and for a console that was released a year earlier than the PS3, its still selling better, the PS3 is the real console in trouble. It's not a case of the SP3 is winning and MS is panicing, its a case of MS is winning and you are too fanboyish to realize that the almighty Sony isn't on top this generation.

Name one game that looks better then all ps3 games

Do you really want to turn this thread into a 360 vs ps3 graphics war like every other thread? Lets just assume that it even matches the ps3's top game that is available, and the fact that it was out a year earlier really beats ps3's delayed release into their faces.

No matter what game I choose, someone will post another competitors game that htey feel looks better, to which someone else will rebuttle with another 360 game that they feel trumps that other game in such and such category, and the figh tjust goes on forever, with NO end.

BAIT = fail

i wasnt trying to bait you into a graphics war but there are no graphics kings (well except crysis) but on consoles its a toss up so i was just stating that when you said xbox beats ps3 in graphics you are wrong.