Microsoft's Xbox 360 strategy: buy now before you realize the problems

[QUOTE="Nagidar"]

SONY's PS2 strategy: Buy a PS2 before you realize the problems.

SONY's PS3 strategy: Buy a PS3 for Blu-ray.

michelle341

what problems does the ps2 have???

Nothing that didn't stop my brother from buying 2 and us enjoying the hell out of it.

[QUOTE="StingerVXIII"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="StingerVXIII"]So can I call the PS2 the king of jrpg then?Blackbond

Go for it I don't care. Just makes your purchase of a PS3 more questionable though.

Not really because I went through my PS1 and its problems. I went through my PS2 and its problems. I decided to go through the 360 and its problems.

But heres the difference. The 360 improved over PS2 in the customer support area I don't have to pay to get my **** fixed. I don't have to buy the console over again. That is an improvement.

PS3 compared to PS2 in JRPGS. Oh wow I guess you could call that an improvement. There's Disgaea 3 and.....um....

For the 3rd time it didn't happen while deving a game. I said it was still around when he was developing RE4 which was 3+ years after the PS2 had come out.Blackbond

In that case, your point is even more ambiguous as there's nothing in the article that says he got the DRE error that far into the system's lifespan. It just says he got it.

More Blackbond logic.

Man they must have done something positive to evade it :roll: If it never happend then you can't show me one as they did evade it.Blackbond

The point is not what they did to be served it, but rather what they did to deserve it. I've pointed this out multiple times and you ignore it constantly.

Microsoft purposefully left a flaw in their system. Sony did not. Do you honestly believe that an extended 3 year warranty is enough retribution for the former company to have to deal with for such a transgression?

Mikami's word isn't proof now?Blackbond

That segment of the article is in second person. It's not Mikami's word. And it doesn't even clarify the date of the breakdown as being around the time your suppose.

And yet Sony didn't do enough to warrent avoiding a lawsuit. Had they offered a warrenty to cover it they would have avoided it as well.Blackbond

By that logic (Blackbond logic), that's Microsoft's admissionof guilt over Sony's defense of what they believe to be a coherent product.

By not doing anything to benifit the consumer over the situation man. They didn't do squat they let you tought it out. What more do you need? An apology lol?Blackbond

You're selective quoting is very telling about your character: Divorce context; win argument. Doesn't work that way. Sorry.

Defending against the lip-service that DRE was running rampant does not equate to saying "tough luck." It means that they don't agree that their statistic of defectiveness warrants a ****action lawsuit--At the very most. To properly posit that they're saying, "tough luck," you'd need to find a quote from them that acknowledges the error is inherent to the system--Which is not true.

Still no proof. Sorry.

Like that 3 year warrenty and all those free 1 month LIVE things right?Blackbond

You completely avoided the rest of the sentence. You had no defense against it, so you divorced context again. Do I terrify you that much?

Customer: I'd like a reliable product please.

Microsoft: Sorry. Don't have any of that. But we do have a nice return policy.

Customer: I'd rather have a reliable product.

Microsoft: Tough luck.

Now imagine this being done to, at least, 10 million people and you'll get an accurate characterization of Microsoft.

How do I have no proof lol. Mikami was whining about this situation while RE4 was in development for Gamecube. Now tell me when RE4 came out again?Blackbond

First: finding a source that acknowledges the existence of the defect does not prove its alleged mass quantity.

Second: There is nothing in that article that says Mikami got the DRE around the time the RE4 was out. There is no specific timeframe clarified by him or the author.

Third: The writer does not give a direct quote on Mikami's DRE experience.

First: Whatever Mikami said about the PS2, it had nothing to do with DRE.Blackbond

Again, I already clarified that I thought you were talking about his development phase of RE4.

FROM SHINJI MIKAMI: CREATOR: RESIDENT EVIL - (Departed Capcom after Resident Evil 4 port announced for PS2. He is not involved with RE5)

''We all know the truth about Sony's consoles. If you don't, you have been living in a cave. DRE's or "Disc Read Errors" have become synonymous with Sony's poorly built machines. Some people even think they design their systems like this ON PURPOSE. And I am one of them.It's an idea called "Planned Obsolescence" and it's something automobile manufacturers have been doing for years.''...

Mikami worked with Sony for almost a DECADE, before he finally had the courage to speak out:

"Shinji Mikami, producer of Resident Evil and Devil May Cry, strongly criticized Sony and Square in a recent radio interview in Japan. Mikami accused Sony of purposely designing their consoles to break easily so that gamers will have to buy a replacement.He also said that Sony's high sales figures are helped by the fact that many gamers, himself included, have had to buy a second PlayStation and PlayStation 2."

From there, Mikami went on to accuse Sony of doing the same thing with their line of PCs, Walkmans, and cell phones. He asked why no one has complained about this and said that it was almost like cheating and committing a crime. The radio DJ tried to interrupt Mikami and shift the conversation to another topic, but when Mikami was asked if he thought SONY'S CUSTOMERS are FOOLISH, he replied, "YES."
Blackbond

Once again: You have no clarification in that article by Mikami himself that he received a DRE late in the PS2's lifespan. As a result, neither you, him, or the author, can claim with any sort of credibility was an extremely large problem at that time (or any time for that matter). He, like you, has no proof that the DRE is a planned obsalescence OR even merely an untamed one that got too big.

okay first of all prove to me where i said you correct anyone's grammar or spelling. i don't know where you come up with these things seriously, got something against people lately? sometimes you don't need proof, the truth is out there. going through all the trouble of proving to one person just so they can claim it's false.... yeah doesn't sound worth it to me. i get what you're saying though, there are too many people extending the truth. sometimes it's false and needs to be proven fact.skulper34

or they can't spell or use grammar correctly

Whether you were speaking in general or with emphasis, you still mischaracterized the aim of my words.

"Truth" by very definition, is not false.

You're missing the point. I agree with all of what you said. IMO no 7th generation console is as good as PS2. The few jrpg on 360 aren't nothing to brag about. My point is the hypocrisy I remember getting a lot of bs for saying PS2 was king of jrpg. I was told 360 is king because its in the current gen with the most jrpg. Yet Here we are talking about DRE. This thread wasn't even about DRE. Some insecure 360 fanboy bought it up because he needed to find something wrong with Sony's customer service. Using the previous logic. We shouldn't even be talking about DRE since its a last gen problem. This isn't about good customer service. In the end DRE is a last gen problem. Also Sony's customer service has improved A LOT this time around.StingerVXIII

As is mine. You like me went though this same crap with Sony with the PS1 and PS2 and now all of a sudden you want to complain about it?

No you were told 360 is the king of the current gen of consoles in regard to JRPGS. Nobody has ever said that 360 has better JRPGs then PS2.

Yeah I guess I'm an immature 360 fanboy. Here's a hint. Don't play your PS1 and PS2 and act like nothing is wrong then as soon as it happens to the 360 point your finger at it. Its hypocritical as hell to point it out the flaw two gens later man.

[QUOTE="A_zombie"]Hmm, I admit... EVERYTHING breaks. But at least MS is doing SOMETHING about FIXING the DEFECTIVE products that had been SOLD to the CONSUMERS. Are you getting the point or do I have to draw a picture with a crayon to show it to you?Pariah_001

I don't know, do I have to use a stencil to express the fallacy of anecdotal evidence?

I could just as easily point out that Sony did repair a defective television I bought from them without a warranty (true story). Are you going to believe me or find my story representative of Sony's character? I sincerely doubt it. Either way, it makes no difference because it's anecdotal--It proves nothing.

Once upon a time, A_Zombie bought a PS2 and went straight home to play some Metal Gear Solid 2. A few months later his PS2 died, A_Zombie was very heartbroken that he would have to wait for quite a while to finish MGS2's hunt for the dog tags. Sony refused to fix the DRE and suggested he buy another one. Another few months after many hard work with his carpenter father to save up on another PS2, he buys another PS2. With glee and joy rushing through his body he couldn't be more happier since he bought Marvel vs Capcom 2 with it. Unfortunately weeks later his PS2 recieved another DRE thus upsetting A_Zombie even more. What will A_Zombie do? Called Sony again and they gave the same advice. Luckily he had store warranty this time and gets another PS2. Unsure about his PS2, he takes special care of his PS2, cleans it weekly with his air cannister and puts it away in his PS2 box. After all that hard work, the PS2 suddenly died. The dreaded DRE showd up out of nowhere. It wasn't till two years later that A_Zombie bought another PS2 to play Guitar Hero and Disgaea 2. A_Zombie and his 4th PS2 had lived happily ever after... or so we think?

THE END!

Here's the thing. MS knew they would lose more money if they extended the warranty and could make more money if they didn't.A_zombie

This is more anecdotal evidence. And it's also an incorrect conclusion for the point you're trying to make. ****action lawsuits, if big enough, could clean them out much more than an extended warranty. Considering they knew about the flaw beforehand and had hindsight of more ****action lawsuits, the situation is easily identified as the reverse of how you're characterizing it.

I find it hysterical that you're willing to forgive the fact that they were consciously selling you defective product and have the gall to put a 3 year cap on the warranty. My launch PS2 is still working and they think 3 years is enough for a console? Please.

My Sony products have been consistently reliable. That's why I'm defending them in general. I shouldn't have to inspect a company's return policy before I look at their actual product.

Here is where you actually ignored the fact that Sony got sued for multiple product controversy such as the BMG, laptop batteries, the green blob, DRE, burn-ins, touchpads, chip, and the PS2 Consumer Compliant List. My Sony products aren't reliable at all. Like I said, I went through a lot of Sony Walkman players and quite a few PS2s. My 360 was a launch console and at least MS is doing this for free instead of having me to go out and buy another one.

People would buy another 360. But MS is doing something about the overheating by releasing the recently released JASPER chips in their newer 360s.A_zombie

Uh huh. And Sony's putting in 60 nanometer chips in their newer PS3's when they don't have to. They're selling the PS3 at a loss. What's your real point here? MS shouldn't have to correct the problem; it just shouldn't be there.

Uh, did I mention anything that the PS3 is having any problems? MS HAVE to correct the problem as the JASPER chips uses LESS power and LESS heat. The reasons why the original 360 were overheating is because of the fact that original chips were too hot. Any average computer user should konw this. When the CPU gets hot, it overheats and causes the entire system to crash. Using a less heated CPU will be more safer and efficient to use for your computer.

Once again: You have no clarification in that article by Mikami himself that he received a DRE late in the PS2's lifespan. As a result, neither you, him, or the author, can claim with any sort of credibility was an extremely large problem at that time (or any time for that matter). He, like you, has no proof that the DRE is a planned obsalescence OR even merely an untamed one that got too big.

Pariah_001

Oh wait didn't you say that Mikami had nothing to say on DRE in the begining :roll:

You so got me on that one.

Did I say Mikami got DRE during the GC RE4 dev cycle? I don't believe I did. I said he was still talking about it then which would mean it was still having an affect at that point in time as well. Listen. I've thrown out comments from a proven dev, links, the later, come forth with something more concrete then your overly zealous opinoin. Its 4:30am here. I'm done this paper and going to be. Leave me something for the afternoon if you wish.

I still like how you aren't addressing that you are 100% factually wrong in claiming that Mikami said nothing about DRE though.

[QUOTE="StingerVXIII"] You're missing the point. I agree with all of what you said. IMO no 7th generation console is as good as PS2. The few jrpg on 360 aren't nothing to brag about. My point is the hypocrisy I remember getting a lot of bs for saying PS2 was king of jrpg. I was told 360 is king because its in the current gen with the most jrpg. Yet Here we are talking about DRE. This thread wasn't even about DRE. Some insecure 360 fanboy bought it up because he needed to find something wrong with Sony's customer service. Using the previous logic. We shouldn't even be talking about DRE since its a last gen problem. This isn't about good customer service. In the end DRE is a last gen problem. Also Sony's customer service has improved A LOT this time around.Blackbond

As is mine. You like me went though this same crap with Sony with the PS1 and PS2 and now all of a sudden you want to complain about it?

No you were told 360 is the king of the current gen of consoles in regard to JRPGS. Nobody has ever said that 360 has better JRPGs then PS2.

Yeah I guess I'm an immature 360 fanboy. Here's a hint. Don't play your PS1 and PS2 and act like nothing is wrong then as soon as it happens to the 360 point your finger at it. Its hypocritical as hell to point it out the flaw two gens later man.

Once upon a time, A_Zombie bought a PS2 and went straight home to play some Metal Gear Solid 2. A few months later his PS2 died, A_Zombie was very heartbroken that he would have to wait for quite a while to finish MGS2's hunt for the dog tags. Sony refused to fix the DRE and suggested he buy another one. Another few months after many hard work with his carpenter father to save up on another PS2, he buys another PS2. With glee and joy rushing through his body he couldn't be more happier since he bought Marvel vs Capcom 2 with it. Unfortunately weeks later his PS2 recieved another DRE thus upsetting A_Zombie even more. What will A_Zombie do? Called Sony again and they gave the same advice. Luckily he had store warranty this time and gets another PS2. Unsure about his PS2, he takes special care of his PS2, cleans it weekly with his air cannister and puts it away in his PS2 box. After all that hard work, the PS2 suddenly died. The dreaded DRE showd up out of nowhere. It wasn't till two years later that A_Zombie bought another PS2 to play Guitar Hero and Disgaea 2. A_Zombie and his 4th PS2 had lived happily ever after... or so we think?

THE END!A_zombie

Thank you for once again typing up an anecdote.

Here is where you actually ignored the fact that Sony got sued for multiple product controversy such as the BMG, laptop batteries, the green blob, DRE, burn-ins, touchpads, chip, and the PS2 Consumer Compliant List. My Sony products aren't reliable at all. Like I said, I went through a lot of Sony Walkman players and quite a few PS2s. My 360 was a launch console and at least MS is doing this for free instead of having me to go out and buy another one.A_zombie

I didn't ignore anything. In fact, I even acknowledged that companies like Sony get served up with lawsuits all the time. Just like Microsoft does...

Uh, did I mention anything that the PS3 is having any problems? MS HAVE to correct the problem as the JASPER chips uses LESS power and LESS heat. The reasons why the original 360 were overheating is because of the fact that original chips were too hot. Any average computer user should konw this. When the CPU gets hot, it overheats and causes the entire system to crash. Using a less heated CPU will be more safer and efficient to use for your computer.A_zombie

You were making a comparison between the two companies in trying to say that one is willing to correct problems while the other just lets them fester. You used the JASPER chips as an example of this. I was quick to point out that Sony didn't even have to use the 60 nm chips they're putting in the PS3's, but they are anyway to make the system run quieter and cooler.

What does it tell you about the company your defending when it's doing something to their because it's being pressured to while the one you're criticizing is doing something similar simply because it'll make the product work bettter?

Oh wait didn't you say that Mikami had nothing to say on DRE in the begining :roll:

You so got me on that one.

Did I say Mikami got DRE during the GC RE4 dev cycle? I don't believe I did. I said he was still talking about it then which would mean it was still having an affect at that point in time as well. Listen. I've thrown out comments from a proven dev, links, the later, come forth with something more concrete then your overly zealous opinoin. Its 4:30am here. I'm done this paper and going to be. Leave me something for the afternoon if you wish.

I still like how you aren't addressing that you are 100% factually wrong in claiming that Mikami said nothing about DRE though.Blackbond

I did address it. I said specifically that I misinterpreted your words. And then I proceded to amend my statement to address the context of your citation. Now you're ignoring it in favor of running away. Bravo.

Thats the thing i'm not complaining about the last-gen DRE. I'm trying to figure out why others are. I've never even heard of DRE until early 2008. The only time my PS2 broke is when my brother yanked the controller cord out incredibly fast and killed my PS2. Then I lost my other PS2 in a bet. Maybe you told me that, but I remember others saying otherwise. I wasn't calling you the 360 fanboy. You're one of the mostentatious unbiased members on SW. You weren't even the 1st person to bring about DRE and go off topic in this thread. Edit-Seriously I never heard of DRE until February 2008. I wasn't much of gamer last gen. I was on my outside bad boy peer pressure phrase. Didn't have time for gaming and such.StingerVXIII

Its because you have people going around saying that they will never touch the 360 because of RROD yet these people definately had PS2's last gen. You can deal with PS2, you can deal with 360. Simple as that. Its funny how some make the RROD the big end all for this and that. Yet these weren't the people that bought the indestructable N64 over the PS1 nor the more durable GC over the PS2.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]Oh wait didn't you say that Mikami had nothing to say on DRE in the begining :roll:

You so got me on that one.

Did I say Mikami got DRE during the GC RE4 dev cycle? I don't believe I did. I said he was still talking about it then which would mean it was still having an affect at that point in time as well. Listen. I've thrown out comments from a proven dev, links, the later, come forth with something more concrete then your overly zealous opinoin. Its 4:30am here. I'm done this paper and going to be. Leave me something for the afternoon if you wish.

I still like how you aren't addressing that you are 100% factually wrong in claiming that Mikami said nothing about DRE though.Pariah_001

I did address it. I said specifically that I misinterpreted your words. And then I proceded to amend my statement to address the context of your citation. Now you're ignoring it in favor of running away. Bravo.

Misinterpreted my words. Um you were the one to make the statement man and it was clear and concise on your part. I answered your questions. I'm done jumping through hoops for you. You are the only one standing your ground against the collective might of many posters. And not just regular posters a bunch of GUFU posters.

So think what you want man I really don't care. Infact until I actually get some sleep I'll just let you have it. You win, you happy? Have it, take it whatever. Cause I really don't care and I want sleep.

Peace.

[QUOTE="StingerVXIII"]Thats the thing i'm not complaining about the last-gen DRE. I'm trying to figure out why others are. I've never even heard of DRE until early 2008. The only time my PS2 broke is when my brother yanked the controller cord out incredibly fast and killed my PS2. Then I lost my other PS2 in a bet. Maybe you told me that, but I remember others saying otherwise. I wasn't calling you the 360 fanboy. You're one of the mostentatious unbiased members on SW. You weren't even the 1st person to bring about DRE and go off topic in this thread. Edit-Seriously I never heard of DRE until February 2008. I wasn't much of gamer last gen. I was on my outside bad boy peer pressure phrase. Didn't have time for gaming and such.Blackbond

Its because you have people going around saying that they will never touch the 360 because of RROD yet these people definately had PS2's last gen. You can deal with PS2, you can deal with 360. Simple as that. Its funny how some make the RROD the big end all for this and that. Yet these weren't the people that bought the indestructable N64 over the PS1 nor the more durable GC over the PS2.

I doubt most 'casuals' even know of this RRoD problem.

And however much you don't like it those casuals make up the majority of 360 buyers.

angelkimne

SOny startegy buy a blu ray player. Buy the system even if it has no games.too_much_eslim

Now that is a bit old.

Sony has the same games as 360 plus more exclusives so cry on.

Bluray is great.

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]SOny startegy buy a blu ray player. Buy the system even if it has no games.-Reggaeton-

Now that is a bit old.

Sony has the same games as 360 plus more exclusives so cry on.

Bluray is great.

That is a false statement. Look over at Nerdman's thread. And the 360 has been out a year longer. Do you really think that the PS3 has more exclusives above or even below AA quality while being out a year less?

Misinterpreted my words. Um you were the one to make the statement man and it was clear and concise on your part.Blackbond

I explained specifically what I misinterpreted and why I misinterpreted it. No amount of re-posting my initial answer to your statement will banish the fact that I've amended my context so it meshes with yours. Even after doing so, you're not acknowledging the correction because you have no answer to give me.

I pointed out that you used a medium to try and prove Mikami had a DRE problem himself.

I pointed out that you weren't able to show that the alleged DRE problem happened as late in the PS2's career as the release of RE4.

I pointed out that Mikami's opinion of the DRE as a planned obsalesence does nothing to prove it was either planned or that the problem was rampant and uncontrollable.

You refuse to address these things.

I answered your questions. I'm done jumping through hoops for you. You are the only one standing your ground against the collective might of many posters. And not just regular posters a bunch of GUFU posters.Blackbond

Actually, as I've already demonstrated, you haven't answered my questions. You've ignored the points I've put in this very post and also the ones in regards to your logic on how Sony was definitely deserving of your criticism simply because they had lawsuits brought up against them.

Like your implication that I'm wrong simply because a bunch of posters disagree with me, these indulgences you've made are, as I've mentioned before, logical fallacies.

The only one here who's jumped through hoops is me. I've bothered to both suit through your non-userfriendly colored-text and put up with your selective quoting. You've avoided the issue as much as possible to empower your own tangent.

Remember the Red Ring of Death problem? Even though Microsoft management knew of the hardware problems, they still mass produced the consoles! Their strategy then? Encourage the gamers to buy Xbox 360 before they realize the problems.

Forward to 2008, the year Sony claims as the year of the PS3. Xbox 360 has fewer exclusives in 2008. It seems to have even fewer exclusives in 2009. Games are starting to look/sound equal or better on the PS3. Sony is claiming again and again that the PS3 is more future proof than Xbox 360. All of a sudden, Microsoft had two price cuts in one year.

What is going? How is this connected to the Red Ring of Death problem? Same strategy, folks. Encourage gamers to buy the 360 now before they fully realize the weaknesses of Xbox 360.

It may be a short-term smart strategy for Microsoft, but I dont' think it is a strategy that is good for consumers looking for the most value for their money. Comes 2009, the PS3's superiority in console power and first/second party investments will be even more obvious.

Sihanouk

I gunna say this again, you only hate the 360 cus you are jealous of all the games out on it, and and annoyed at how the console you begged your mummy to buy you has turned out worse than a console half the price.

[QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

Remember the Red Ring of Death problem? Even though Microsoft management knew of the hardware problems, they still mass produced the consoles! Their strategy then? Encourage the gamers to buy Xbox 360 before they realize the problems.

Forward to 2008, the year Sony claims as the year of the PS3. Xbox 360 has fewer exclusives in 2008. It seems to have even fewer exclusives in 2009. Games are starting to look/sound equal or better on the PS3. Sony is claiming again and again that the PS3 is more future proof than Xbox 360. All of a sudden, Microsoft had two price cuts in one year.

What is going? How is this connected to the Red Ring of Death problem? Same strategy, folks. Encourage gamers to buy the 360 now before they fully realize the weaknesses of Xbox 360.

It may be a short-term smart strategy for Microsoft, but I dont' think it is a strategy that is good for consumers looking for the most value for their money. Comes 2009, the PS3's superiority in console power and first/second party investments will be even more obvious.

scottiescott238

I gunna say this again, you only hate the 360 cus you are jealous of all the games out on it, and and annoyed at how the console you begged your mummy to buy you has turned out worse than a console half the price.

Fail.

I used to own a unique modded promo xbox 360. Sold it.

I realised that all the games that are on the 360 or coming to it is either on the ps3 or PC.

Have no regrets. 2 weeks after i sold my 360 the guy who bought it from me called and complained. RROD, tough luck buddy.

XBox 360 strategy = release some faulty old PC parts with an attached dreamcast controller and online that costs 50 dollars. This lets n00bs who know nothing about online or shooters feel good about themselves when they shoot someone with autoaim. Meanwhile people with the money and knowledge play PC games instead of ****** versions of PC games

Games are starting to look/sound equal or better on the PS3.

Sihanouk

Fantasy land.

[QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

Games are starting to look/sound equal or better on the PS3.

Ninja-Hippo

Fantasy land.

Reality Get out of 2007. Its 2008 now and most devs have figured out how to work with PS3.StingerVXIII

it's a pity that none of them want to work on the overexpensive flop

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="StingerVXIII"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="StingerVXIII"]So can I call the PS2 the king of jrpg then?StingerVXIII

Go for it I don't care. Just makes your purchase of a PS3 more questionable though.

Not really because I went through my PS1 and its problems. I went through my PS2 and its problems. I decided to go through the 360 and its problems.

But heres the difference. The 360 improved over PS2 in the customer support area I don't have to pay to get my **** fixed. I don't have to buy the console over again. That is an improvement.

PS3 compared to PS2 in JRPGS. Oh wow I guess you could call that an improvement. There's Disgaea 3 and.....um....

lol, You're calling ME a fanboy? I have a PS2, PS3, 360 and a Wii, I'm far from a fanboy there bud.

I brought up the DRE to show neither MS nor SONY are angels, both companies could really care less as long as their products sell.

[QUOTE="StingerVXIII"]Reality Get out of 2007. Its 2008 now and most devs have figured out how to work with PS3.MarloStanfield

it's a pity that none of them want to work on the overexpensive flop

[QUOTE="StingerVXIII"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="StingerVXIII"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="StingerVXIII"]So can I call the PS2 the king of jrpg then?Nagidar

Go for it I don't care. Just makes your purchase of a PS3 more questionable though.

Not really because I went through my PS1 and its problems. I went through my PS2 and its problems. I decided to go through the 360 and its problems.

But heres the difference. The 360 improved over PS2 in the customer support area I don't have to pay to get my **** fixed. I don't have to buy the console over again. That is an improvement.

PS3 compared to PS2 in JRPGS. Oh wow I guess you could call that an improvement. There's Disgaea 3 and.....um....

lol, You're calling ME a fanboy? I have a PS2, PS3, 360 and a Wii, I'm far from a fanboy there bud.

I brought up the DRE to show neither MS nor SONY are angels, both companies could really care less as long as their products sell.

[QUOTE="StingerVXIII"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

Games are starting to look/sound equal or better on the PS3.

-Reggaeton-

Fantasy land.

Dont waste your time on lemmings.

Logic,proof, facts don't not mean anything to them. IMO they are worse than those religious extremists.

Bit sad really, supporting a company who makes mistakes over and over and over and tells the customer to bend over.

Its baffling how ppl can support MS. Dont get it.

That post had absolutely no fanboyism and I do believe you show to much bias towards the 360 but thats understandable most PS360 owners do. Just because you have more the one system doesn't make you immune from fanboyismStingerVXIII

Did you even read all my posts on the first page? Because this was what they all lead up to:

"No, you're a fanboy and can't open your eyes and see that BOTH MS and SONY could care less about there customers as long as customers buy their products, BOTH RRoD and DRE were BAD, neither was worse than the other, the difference is SONY fixed their issue sooner because they got sued, MS put a warranty in place until they can fix it."

That was my point from the start, again, I'm no fanboy.

in my life i can honestly say i have not owned a console that didn't have a problem

spectrum 48k=blowing up all the time

commodore 64=tape read errors

megadrive=weak joypad buttons

snes=dodgy reset button

n64=flimsy analog stick

dreamcast=overheating and dre

playstation 1= dre and crashing

gamecube=dre

xbox=dre

ps2=didn't own one

xbox 360=RROD

the ps2 dre and the 360 RROD are just as bad as each other, the only difference is microsoft came good with there warranty, listen consoles and pc's by there very nature are unstable and unreliable if you choose gaming as a hobby then you just have to put up with it it's the nature of the game, i can tell you i have had just as many lows as highs when it comes to gaming machines but i stick at it for the GAMES classic example: i bought ace combat 6 for my 360 yesterday, got up this morning to find my two year old boy trashing the disk, it doen't work now so what do i do? i can be counter productive and sit and get upset about it or i can be productive and go down gamestation and pay 2 quid to get it fixed in there ultra hi tek buffing machine.

Heh wow this thread has spiraled out of control :|Blackbond

Heh wow this thread has spiraled out of control :|Blackbond

[QUOTE="StingerVXIII"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

Games are starting to look/sound equal or better on the PS3.

-Reggaeton-

Fantasy land.

Dont waste your time on lemmings.

Logic,proof, facts don't not mean anything to them. IMO they are worse than those religious extremists.

Bit sad really, supporting a company who makes mistakes over and over and over and tells the customer to bend over.

Its baffling how ppl can support MS. Dont get it.

I find it funny that you're saying all of these things trying to make him look bad, such as Logic,proof, facts don't not mean anything to them."

But you're not providing any logic, proof or facts to prove him wrong. :|

It's hilarious that you say it's sad to support a company that has made mistakes, but supporting Sony or Nintendo is A-OK (as if they haven't made any mistakes this gen or last).

It's hilarious that you say it's sad to support a company that has made mistakes, but supporting Sony or Nintendo is A-OK (as if they haven't made any mistakes this gen or last).

The_Game21x

Fail.

I used to own a unique modded promo xbox 360. Sold it.

I realised that all the games that are on the 360 or coming to it is either on the ps3 or PC.

Have no regrets. 2 weeks after i sold my 360 the guy who bought it from me called and complained. RROD, tough luck buddy.

-Reggaeton-

Ow, my brain...

Oh, and I hereby declare this thread dominated by GUFU. Look upon our works, ye mighty, and despair.

Still no proof. Sorry.

Pariah_001

Hmm, aren't you the one who profusely claims that the PS2 DRE issue was nowhere near as bad as the 360 RROD issue without having any proof to back up your claims?

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

It's hilarious that you say it's sad to support a company that has made mistakes, but supporting Sony or Nintendo is A-OK (as if they haven't made any mistakes this gen or last).

Jandurin

Indeed. Microsoft needs to get educated on this whole "strategy" business.

[QUOTE="Pariah_001"]

Still no proof. Sorry.

Verge_6

Hmm, aren't you the one who profusely claims that the the PS2 DRE issue was nowhere near as bad as the 360 RROD issue without having any proof to back up your claims?

Yes, I believe it is. :lol:

Remember the Red Ring of Death problem? Even though Microsoft management knew of the hardware problems, they still mass produced the consoles! Their strategy then? Encourage the gamers to buy Xbox 360 before they realize the problems.

Forward to 2008, the year Sony claims as the year of the PS3. Xbox 360 has fewer exclusives in 2008. It seems to have even fewer exclusives in 2009. Games are starting to look/sound equal or better on the PS3. Sony is claiming again and again that the PS3 is more future proof than Xbox 360. All of a sudden, Microsoft had two price cuts in one year.

What is going? How is this connected to the Red Ring of Death problem? Same strategy, folks. Encourage gamers to buy the 360 now before they fully realize the weaknesses of Xbox 360.

It may be a short-term smart strategy for Microsoft, but I dont' think it is a strategy that is good for consumers looking for the most value for their money. Comes 2009, the PS3's superiority in console power and first/second party investments will be even more obvious.

Sihanouk

Yep because Mirror's Edge, Street Fighter IV, Grand Theft Auto IV, Devil May Cry IV, Soul Calibur IV, Mirror's Edge, Dead Space, Prince of Persia, Bioshock, and Final Fantasy XIII aren't on the over expensive flop.StingerVXIII

OMG multiplatform titles!!!

and we all know which system gets the best version of those (hint not the PS3)

[QUOTE="-Reggaeton-"]

Fail.

I used to own a unique modded promo xbox 360. Sold it.

I realised that all the games that are on the 360 or coming to it is either on the ps3 or PC.

Have no regrets. 2 weeks after i sold my 360 the guy who bought it from me called and complained. RROD, tough luck buddy.

Verge_6

Ow, my brain...

Oh, and I hereby declare this thread dominated by GUFU. Look upon our works, ye mighty, and despair.

it has a little bit of everything man. but it has a whooooole lot more fail than anything else.

System Wars is a crazy place.

You just keep at it, don't you?

We get it. You don't like the 360. You could just save us all time reading these threads if you only had that one sentence in it. It would have the same overall effect.

Reality Get out of 2007. Its 2008 now and most devs have figured out how to work with PS3.StingerVXIII