Microsoft's Xbox 360 strategy: buy now before you realize the problems

[QUOTE="shaggyaz"]LOL comone quit being a fanboy,the DRE was just as bad as RROD,its common knowledge that the PS2 were notorious for the DRE,Im not gonna argue with you,like I said Im not a fanboyPariah_001

No. It's not common knowledge. It's outright false.

Simply saying, "It's common knowledge," does not prove your case. And because you posited the claim, the burden of proof lies squarely on you.

The repetitive claim that DRE was as bad as RROD is a pitiful attempt at rationalizing RROD in the face of the Sony console even when the fact of the matter is that the DRE problem was never as bad as the RROD problem is.

The best anyone can seem to offer is that, like RROD, DRE spawned a class action lawsuit. The problem with this line of reasoning being that lawsuits are filed against big corporations all the time--And guess what. They're oft times frivolous. That in and of itself, proves nothing.

In the case of RROD however, there is a correspondance between retailers and the post office with the consumer base in which the statistics of how many defective 360s there are is clearly measurable. The 'DRE was just as bad or worse' crowd can't even bring any solid numbers to the table; just a class action lawsuit and a few anecdotes that aren't nearly as substantiated as the RROD anecdotes.

Not only did Sony lie about the problem, they continued to lie about the problem while they were being sued.

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news03/playstation.html

At least MS had the guts to admit there's a problem.

Also, I like how you, and the rest of the cows try and make the DRE problem seem non existent just because the numbers may not be as high as the RROD problem. You also, in your own words, called the lawsuit against Sony frivolous. Which makes you look like nothing more than a hardcore fanboy.

In reality, both DRE, and RROD were serious problems.

MS pretty much told people touph luck with the 360 until public outrage forced there hand to do something. I agree that both RROD and DRE are a issue, but I don't see any reason to consider that MS, bothered to spend that money on the 3 year waranty, they were forced into it before something else more costly came out of the woodwork. If MS could get away with saying "good luck" with your 360 they would, and they did for some time.Jynxzor

Link, or it's just your opinion.

Still,I repeat: DRE was a much, much less pravelent/troublesome than RROD. Still, two wrongs don't make a right.Sihanouk

huh, that's funny. when my PS2 got the dre, i had to buy a completely new system. seems like a problem to me.

[QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

[QUOTE="ImOldGreg"]See ya' later Sihanouk!!farrell2k

Why? Check out the anti-PS3 threads that are much, much less reasonable than this one. There are currently too many anti PS3 threads here that mods don't do anything about.

So you have to troll a few hours away making anti-360 threads to somehow even things out? The mods may not agree with me, but you're nothing but a troll.

i agree. i will never understand how some fairly objective, reasonable posters here are on final warning, yet this guy has not been banned yet.

[QUOTE="Pariah_001"]

[QUOTE="shaggyaz"]LOL comone quit being a fanboy,the DRE was just as bad as RROD,its common knowledge that the PS2 were notorious for the DRE,Im not gonna argue with you,like I said Im not a fanboyMortalDecay

No. It's not common knowledge. It's outright false.

Simply saying, "It's common knowledge," does not prove your case. And because you posited the claim, the burden of proof lies squarely on you.

The repetitive claim that DRE was as bad as RROD is a pitiful attempt at rationalizing RROD in the face of the Sony console even when the fact of the matter is that the DRE problem was never as bad as the RROD problem is.

The best anyone can seem to offer is that, like RROD, DRE spawned a class action lawsuit. The problem with this line of reasoning being that lawsuits are filed against big corporations all the time--And guess what. They're oft times frivolous. That in and of itself, proves nothing.

In the case of RROD however, there is a correspondance between retailers and the post office with the consumer base in which the statistics of how many defective 360s there are is clearly measurable. The 'DRE was just as bad or worse' crowd can't even bring any solid numbers to the table; just a class action lawsuit and a few anecdotes that aren't nearly as substantiated as the RROD anecdotes.

Not only did Sony lie about the problem, they continued to lie about the problem while they were being sued.

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news03/playstation.html

At least MS had the guts to admit there's a problem.

Also, I like how you, and the rest of the cows try and make the DRE problem seem non existent just because the numbers may not be as high as the RROD problem. You also, in your own words, called the lawsuit against Sony frivolous. Which makes you look like nothing more than a hardcore fanboy.

In reality, both DRE, and RROD were serious problems.

it's a pity that none of them want to work on the overexpensive flop

MarloStanfield

I can't even find a .gif to post for this one. Do you realize how wrong you are in this statement? I mean good lord man. Nobody wants to work on it? You realize it um has games being made for it and games out for it right?

[QUOTE="yoshi_64"]

So I heard Sony really didn't do anything to resolve the PS2 DRE issues, but MS gives you repairs for free and extends the warranty for 3 years on RROD consoles? :o What quality service, right?

Yeah... Sony didn't care for it's consumers I bet... they never cared... they burned Mr. Bear. :cry:

Pariah_001

You heard? Is this what Microsoft consumers do? They hear about stuff that they consider a positive reinforcement to their camp and then relay the hearsay as fast and excitedly as possible?

actually, that is pretty much fact. sony did nothing for consumers with the DRE error if it was out of warranty (believe me, i know firsthand). MS extended the warranty to provide extended support for consumers.

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]yea.

I don't know if you noticed. but there was a big, color post...just 3 posts up.

directed at you, specifically.

don't know of you saw that...

Pariah_001

No. I didn't see it. Because I was too busy responding to one that came before it on the previous page (I have my viewer set to 50 posts).

Judge not, lest ye be judged.

You pariah fail everytime you post i have went through 2 360s and 4 ps2s the simple fact is DRE was as bad you can talk BS for 5 days on the forum it aint gonna change the fact both were unreliable so i now must proclaim you a fanboy and a fool because you have too much time on your hands replying to posts that actually prove you wrong yet you let yourself look like a prat.

enjoy the failure that flows through you.

ps

i love using star wars quotes.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

Games are starting to look/sound equal or better on the PS3.

StingerVXIII

Fantasy land.

Examples? :| I'm not saying PS3 games are bad at all, but the idea that they're starting to look better simply isnt true. I cant think of a single example of that being the case. There may be some sure, but not many.

Dont waste your time on lemmings.

Logic,proof, facts don't not mean anything to them. IMO they are worse than those religious extremists.

Bit sad really, supporting a company who makes mistakes over and over and over and tells the customer to bend over.

Its baffling how ppl can support MS. Dont get it.

-Reggaeton-

kind of like how cows blindly support the PS3? really, all fanboys are equally intolerable. and honestly, MGS4 included, i have yet to see any game that definitively looks better on the PS3 than any other title on a 360, or vice versa.

Dont waste your time on lemmings.

Logic,proof, facts don't not mean anything to them. IMO they are worse than those religious extremists.

Bit sad really, supporting a company who makes mistakes over and over and over and tells the customer to bend over.

Its baffling how ppl can support MS. Dont get it.

-Reggaeton-

I disagree with the TC therefore i'm a fanatical lemming who's worse than a religious extremist. You heard it here first folks.

[QUOTE="-Reggaeton-"]

Dont waste your time on lemmings.

Logic,proof, facts don't not mean anything to them. IMO they are worse than those religious extremists.

Bit sad really, supporting a company who makes mistakes over and over and over and tells the customer to bend over.

Its baffling how ppl can support MS. Dont get it.

Ninja-Hippo

I disagree with the TC therefore i'm a fanatical lemming who's worse than a religious extremist. You heard it here first folks.

*grabs AK-47 and fires wildly into the air*
Microsoft Akbar! Death to the Sony infidels!

[QUOTE="-Reggaeton-"]

Dont waste your time on lemmings.

Logic,proof, facts don't not mean anything to them. IMO they are worse than those religious extremists.

Bit sad really, supporting a company who makes mistakes over and over and over and tells the customer to bend over.

Its baffling how ppl can support MS. Dont get it.

Ninja-Hippo

I disagree with the TC therefore i'm a fanatical lemming who's worse than a religious extremist. You heard it here first folks.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="-Reggaeton-"]

Dont waste your time on lemmings.

Logic,proof, facts don't not mean anything to them. IMO they are worse than those religious extremists.

Bit sad really, supporting a company who makes mistakes over and over and over and tells the customer to bend over.

Its baffling how ppl can support MS. Dont get it.

Verge_6

I disagree with the TC therefore i'm a fanatical lemming who's worse than a religious extremist. You heard it here first folks.

*grabs AK-47 and fires wildly into the air*
Microsoft Akbar! Death to the Sony infidels!

*Gets hit by one of the AK shells falling out of the sky*

Aw dammit...I should've been worshipping Sony! They would've delivered me from this cruel fate!

*grabs AK-47 and fires wildly into the air*
Microsoft Akbar! Death to the Sony infidels!

Verge_6

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="-Reggaeton-"]

Dont waste your time on lemmings.

Logic,proof, facts don't not mean anything to them. IMO they are worse than those religious extremists.

Bit sad really, supporting a company who makes mistakes over and over and over and tells the customer to bend over.

Its baffling how ppl can support MS. Dont get it.

The_Game21x

I disagree with the TC therefore i'm a fanatical lemming who's worse than a religious extremist. You heard it here first folks.

*grabs AK-47 and fires wildly into the air*
Microsoft Akbar! Death to the Sony infidels!

*Gets hit by one of the AK shells falling out of the sky*

Aw dammit...I should've been worshipping Sony! They would've delivered me from this cruel fate!

Fear not, comrade, for you shall recieve 72 Xbox 360s in the afterlife...whatever good THAT does you.

It's funny to see lemmings defend a losing battle. Microsoft rushed the 360 to get out first. Games like GeoW and Dead Rising were to be exclusive to get a one up on Sony and Nintendo; however, the downside of rushing a system is faulty hardware. THEY KNEW ABOUT IT AND PLANNED THAT GAMERS DID NOT MIND A BROKEN CONSOLE. You know the sad thing about this? The end result will be Microsoft dead last in the console wars.DragonFlyJ

I didn't. and I got the disc error once. RROD onceon a new console.

[QUOTE="DragonFlyJ"]It's funny to see lemmings defend a losing battle. Microsoft rushed the 360 to get out first. Games like GeoW and Dead Rising were to be exclusive to get a one up on Sony and Nintendo; however, the downside of rushing a system is faulty hardware. THEY KNEW ABOUT IT AND PLANNED THAT GAMERS DID NOT MIND A BROKEN CONSOLE. You know the sad thing about this? The end result will be Microsoft dead last in the console wars.Dreams-Visions

I didn't. and I got the disc error once. RROD onceon a new console.

Exactly! Microsoft knew people like you wouldn't mind broking console. My main point was MS knew about their hardware failures. Unlike the PS2, the 360 was a scam.

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

[QUOTE="DragonFlyJ"]It's funny to see lemmings defend a losing battle. Microsoft rushed the 360 to get out first. Games like GeoW and Dead Rising were to be exclusive to get a one up on Sony and Nintendo; however, the downside of rushing a system is faulty hardware. THEY KNEW ABOUT IT AND PLANNED THAT GAMERS DID NOT MIND A BROKEN CONSOLE. You know the sad thing about this? The end result will be Microsoft dead last in the console wars.DragonFlyJ

I didn't. and I got the disc error once. RROD onceon a new console.

Exactly! Microsoft knew people like you wouldn't mind broking console. My main point was MS knew about their hardware failures. Unlike the PS2, the 360 was a scam.

Who is to say Sony didn't know, and how is CHARGING for the DRE repairs not a scam?

Ya know, I wonder if the RROD will be downplayed as much as the DRE is now in a few years time. I mean, that fatal PS2 error has gone from being a world-wide gaming crisis to ,apparently, something so small that it's not worth bringing up. Either there is a significant amount of selective memory going on here, or alot of the current PS3 users didn't start gaming until this generation.Verge_6

Please... DRE wasn't as big as RROD. Sony didn't need to issue a worldwide warranty. Why defend the obvious? I just don't get it...

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]Ya know, I wonder if the RROD will be downplayed as much as the DRE is now in a few years time. I mean, that fatal PS2 error has gone from being a world-wide gaming crisis to ,apparently, something so small that it's not worth bringing up. Either there is a significant amount of selective memory going on here, or alot of the current PS3 users didn't start gaming until this generation.DragonFlyJ

Please... DRE wasn't as big as RROD. Sony didn't need to issue a worldwide warranty. Why defend the obvious? I just don't get it...

You are late to the party you should go back and read some other post. Sony got sued to have the issue FIXED.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]Ya know, I wonder if the RROD will be downplayed as much as the DRE is now in a few years time. I mean, that fatal PS2 error has gone from being a world-wide gaming crisis to ,apparently, something so small that it's not worth bringing up. Either there is a significant amount of selective memory going on here, or alot of the current PS3 users didn't start gaming until this generation.DragonFlyJ

Please... DRE wasn't as big as RROD. Sony didn't need to issue a worldwide warranty. Why defend the obvious? I just don't get it...

Of course not, why issue a worldwide warranty when your customer will PAY for the repairs themselves? There is a difference between 'ennding to' and 'should have'. I wonder how many PS2 owners think that Sony should have done the latter. Methinks the numbers are in the millions. I also wonder how long it would have taken Sony to act on the DRE issue if that class-action lawsuit wasn't filed. That is, if they would have acted at all.

Where is your proof the DRE wasn't as big as RROD? Do you have anything? Anything at all? If so, you have access to information that only the heads of the MS and SONY gaming divisions are allowed to see.

[QUOTE="DragonFlyJ"]

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]Ya know, I wonder if the RROD will be downplayed as much as the DRE is now in a few years time. I mean, that fatal PS2 error has gone from being a world-wide gaming crisis to ,apparently, something so small that it's not worth bringing up. Either there is a significant amount of selective memory going on here, or alot of the current PS3 users didn't start gaming until this generation.anubis8515

Please... DRE wasn't as big as RROD. Sony didn't need to issue a worldwide warranty. Why defend the obvious? I just don't get it...

You are late to the party you should go back and read some other post. Sony got sued to have the issue FIXED.

Please, I know all about the DRE lawsuit. What YOU don't know is they planned to fix the PS2 with 5, count them, 5 different models of the PS2. The suit was actually filed on the 3rd attempt of the PS2. Those are the facts. How you doing?

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]Ya know, I wonder if the RROD will be downplayed as much as the DRE is now in a few years time. I mean, that fatal PS2 error has gone from being a world-wide gaming crisis to ,apparently, something so small that it's not worth bringing up. Either there is a significant amount of selective memory going on here, or alot of the current PS3 users didn't start gaming until this generation.DragonFlyJ

Please... DRE wasn't as big as RROD. Sony didn't need to issue a worldwide warranty. Why defend the obvious? I just don't get it...

What? Are you kidding me? Even AFTER the DRE issue was brought to SONY's attention, they STILL denied it, they even denied it while they were being sued. DRE caused PS2's to die as early as a couple of months, RRoD took / takes longer than that.

SONY didn't issue a worlwide warranty because they were to busy denying there was even a problem.

[QUOTE="anubis8515"][QUOTE="DragonFlyJ"]

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]Ya know, I wonder if the RROD will be downplayed as much as the DRE is now in a few years time. I mean, that fatal PS2 error has gone from being a world-wide gaming crisis to ,apparently, something so small that it's not worth bringing up. Either there is a significant amount of selective memory going on here, or alot of the current PS3 users didn't start gaming until this generation.DragonFlyJ

Please... DRE wasn't as big as RROD. Sony didn't need to issue a worldwide warranty. Why defend the obvious? I just don't get it...

You are late to the party you should go back and read some other post. Sony got sued to have the issue FIXED.

Please, I know all about the DRE lawsuit. What YOU don't know is they planned to fix the PS2 with 5, count them, 5 different models of the PS2. The suit was actually filed on the 3rd attempt of the PS2. Those are the facts. How you doing?

And Mirosoft put in a new warranty, and refunded me money on the rrod that i had paid for. Did sony do that for my 3 ps1, or anybody elses Ps2. MY Ps2 was stloen so it never had a chance to break on me.

[QUOTE="DragonFlyJ"]

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]Ya know, I wonder if the RROD will be downplayed as much as the DRE is now in a few years time. I mean, that fatal PS2 error has gone from being a world-wide gaming crisis to ,apparently, something so small that it's not worth bringing up. Either there is a significant amount of selective memory going on here, or alot of the current PS3 users didn't start gaming until this generation.anubis8515

Please... DRE wasn't as big as RROD. Sony didn't need to issue a worldwide warranty. Why defend the obvious? I just don't get it...

You are late to the party you should go back and read some other post. Sony got sued to have the issue FIXED.

and MS issued a 3-years warranty to avoid getting sued, so what?

most PS2 users don't even know of the DRE, the majority of owners who complained about it were the owners of the first year units. in my case for example, i only knew that problem existed when i started frequenting SW. Yet, even my grandmother, who doesn't play games at all obviously, knows about the RROD.

[QUOTE="anubis8515"][QUOTE="DragonFlyJ"]

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]Ya know, I wonder if the RROD will be downplayed as much as the DRE is now in a few years time. I mean, that fatal PS2 error has gone from being a world-wide gaming crisis to ,apparently, something so small that it's not worth bringing up. Either there is a significant amount of selective memory going on here, or alot of the current PS3 users didn't start gaming until this generation.DragonFlyJ

Please... DRE wasn't as big as RROD. Sony didn't need to issue a worldwide warranty. Why defend the obvious? I just don't get it...

You are late to the party you should go back and read some other post. Sony got sued to have the issue FIXED.

Please, I know all about the DRE lawsuit. What YOU don't know is they planned to fix the PS2 with 5, count them, 5 different models of the PS2. The suit was actually filed on the 3rd attempt of the PS2. Those are the facts. How you doing?

These models sure helped because so many people got to get their console that was broken by faulty manufacture for free... oh wait no they didn't. Rawr! yoshi_64

[QUOTE="DragonFlyJ"]

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]Ya know, I wonder if the RROD will be downplayed as much as the DRE is now in a few years time. I mean, that fatal PS2 error has gone from being a world-wide gaming crisis to ,apparently, something so small that it's not worth bringing up. Either there is a significant amount of selective memory going on here, or alot of the current PS3 users didn't start gaming until this generation.Nagidar

Please... DRE wasn't as big as RROD. Sony didn't need to issue a worldwide warranty. Why defend the obvious? I just don't get it...

What? Are you kidding me? Even AFTER the DRE issue was brought to SONY's attention, they STILL denied it, they even denied it while they were being sued. DRE caused PS2's to die as early as a couple of months, RRoD took / takes longer than that.

SONY didn't issue a worlwide warranty because they were to busy denying there was even a problem.

there are a lot of users who experienced RROD when they first turned on their console. you know that.

[QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="DragonFlyJ"]

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]Ya know, I wonder if the RROD will be downplayed as much as the DRE is now in a few years time. I mean, that fatal PS2 error has gone from being a world-wide gaming crisis to ,apparently, something so small that it's not worth bringing up. Either there is a significant amount of selective memory going on here, or alot of the current PS3 users didn't start gaming until this generation.SambaLele

Please... DRE wasn't as big as RROD. Sony didn't need to issue a worldwide warranty. Why defend the obvious? I just don't get it...

What? Are you kidding me? Even AFTER the DRE issue was brought to SONY's attention, they STILL denied it, they even denied it while they were being sued. DRE caused PS2's to die as early as a couple of months, RRoD took / takes longer than that.

SONY didn't issue a worlwide warranty because they were to busy denying there was even a problem.

there are a lot of users who experienced RROD when they first turned on their console. you know that.

Thats true, but from everything I have read, DRE happened sooner than RRoD did most of the time.

EDIT: Including me, I had 3 DRE's within a 6 month period and 1 RRoD in a year and a half. (I had to buy new PS2's because SONY wouldn't help me)

Hey, what happens to the lemmings who gets the RROD after the 3 year warranty? Are you going to change the subject and talk about PS2, again?DragonFlyJ

Who's to say MS won't extend it? I had to BUY new PS2's when mine got DRE, I didn't have to buy a new 360.

I'm quite sure MS will have something in the works by the time the 3 year warranty expires (If not, they will probably be in alot of trouble), otherwise, it will be a DRE issue like SONY.

Wow , a RROD thread , but a little late to the party arent we ??

And look even the dreaded PS2 DRE is back .

Very nice .

[QUOTE="anubis8515"][QUOTE="DragonFlyJ"]

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]Ya know, I wonder if the RROD will be downplayed as much as the DRE is now in a few years time. I mean, that fatal PS2 error has gone from being a world-wide gaming crisis to ,apparently, something so small that it's not worth bringing up. Either there is a significant amount of selective memory going on here, or alot of the current PS3 users didn't start gaming until this generation.SambaLele

Please... DRE wasn't as big as RROD. Sony didn't need to issue a worldwide warranty. Why defend the obvious? I just don't get it...

You are late to the party you should go back and read some other post. Sony got sued to have the issue FIXED.

and MS issued a 3-years warranty to avoid getting sued, so what?

most PS2 users don't even know of the DRE, the majority of owners who complained about it were the owners of the first year units. in my case for example, i only knew that problem existed when i started frequenting SW. Yet, even my grandmother, who doesn't play games at all obviously, knows about the RROD.

Yeah, exactly. Sony had that opportunity and instead chose to fight the case. Shows how much they cared.

That's subjective. I could easily say every PS2 owner I know is aware of the DRE problem (and yes, that's true) but neither one of us would be able to prove that.

Yeah, the RROD problem is indeed big but to downplay the DRE as if it wasn't is just foolish because it was a big problem in and of itself.

[QUOTE="DragonFlyJ"]Hey, what happens to the lemmings who gets the RROD after the 3 year warranty? Are you going to change the subject and talk about PS2, again?Nagidar

Who's to say MS won't extend it? I had to BUY new PS2's when mine got DRE, I didn't have to buy a new 360.

I'm quite sure MS will have something in the works by the time the 3 year warranty expires (If not, they will probably be in alot of trouble), otherwise, it will be a DRE issue like SONY.

"The Xbox 360 has already undergone a handful of hardware revisions, first with the HDMI-enabled "Zephyr" motherboard that debuted with the Xbox 360 Elite (and has since found its way into standard Xbox 360s as well). Earlier this year, Takahashi also reported on "Falcon" 360 motherboards that sport cooler-running 65-nanometer CPUs under the hood, which reduces the risk of the console's now-infamous hardware failures.

Takahashi said that for "Jasper," Microsoft is giving the system a matching 65nm graphics chip and smaller memory chips. Like the 65nm CPU, the 65nm GPU will be smaller, cooler, more energy efficient, and be cheaper to produce than the 90nm chip used in previous Xbox 360 revisions. Takahashi said it is currently scheduled to roll out in new systems starting in August 2008."

Link

Hopefully the newest chips can actually GREATLY reduce the failure rates. :|

[QUOTE="Nagidar"]

[QUOTE="DragonFlyJ"]Hey, what happens to the lemmings who gets the RROD after the 3 year warranty? Are you going to change the subject and talk about PS2, again?A_zombie

Who's to say MS won't extend it? I had to BUY new PS2's when mine got DRE, I didn't have to buy a new 360.

I'm quite sure MS will have something in the works by the time the 3 year warranty expires (If not, they will probably be in alot of trouble), otherwise, it will be a DRE issue like SONY.

"The Xbox 360 has already undergone a handful of hardware revisions, first with the HDMI-enabled "Zephyr" motherboard that debuted with the Xbox 360 Elite (and has since found its way into standard Xbox 360s as well). Earlier this year, Takahashi also reported on "Falcon" 360 motherboards that sport cooler-running 65-nanometer CPUs under the hood, which reduces the risk of the console's now-infamous hardware failures.

Takahashi said that for "Jasper," Microsoft is giving the system a matching 65nm graphics chip and smaller memory chips. Like the 65nm CPU, the 65nm GPU will be smaller, cooler, more energy efficient, and be cheaper to produce than the 90nm chip used in previous Xbox 360 revisions. Takahashi said it is currently scheduled to roll out in new systems starting in August 2008."

Link

Hopefully the newest chips can actually GREATLY reduce the failure rates. :|

Yea, but thats not what I'm talking about, people who have the old version of the 360 will still have the original chips (The new chips would probably require a different MOBO socket size), will need / want MS to put something in place if their original 360 takes a crap on them.

Hey, what happens to the lemmings who gets the RROD after the 3 year warranty? Are you going to change the subject and talk about PS2, again?DragonFlyJ

We won't know until that happens willl we. But probably MS will use their evil power of money to give out another 1 year warrenty.

[QUOTE="Sihanouk"][QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="Sihanouk"][QUOTE="HappyAppe"]

I think everyone has heard of the RROD. No one is being "tricked" into buying it. And if you are buying it unaware of the possible hardware issues, that is your own fault for buying a piece of hardware without doing any sort of research.

Its not like some big secret swept under the rug.

Nagidar

Everyone NOW has heard of it. Just about everyone, if you want to be technical. However, it took Microsoft a year and a half to admit the problems. They even shut down the forum on their site when gamers complain about hardware issues in the beginning. There is no way anyone can defend Microsoft and their sneaky methods in dealing with hardware issues, at least during the first two years.

You mean like SONY's DRE?

DRE was a much, much less pravelent/troublesome than RROD. Still, two wrongs don't make a right.

What? SONY had to be SUED before they would even admit there was a problem...

maybe ms needs to be sued because the rrod problem is hell of a lot bigger

[QUOTE="SambaLele"][QUOTE="anubis8515"][QUOTE="DragonFlyJ"]

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]Ya know, I wonder if the RROD will be downplayed as much as the DRE is now in a few years time. I mean, that fatal PS2 error has gone from being a world-wide gaming crisis to ,apparently, something so small that it's not worth bringing up. Either there is a significant amount of selective memory going on here, or alot of the current PS3 users didn't start gaming until this generation.The_Game21x

Please... DRE wasn't as big as RROD. Sony didn't need to issue a worldwide warranty. Why defend the obvious? I just don't get it...

You are late to the party you should go back and read some other post. Sony got sued to have the issue FIXED.

and MS issued a 3-years warranty to avoid getting sued, so what?

most PS2 users don't even know of the DRE, the majority of owners who complained about it were the owners of the first year units. in my case for example, i only knew that problem existed when i started frequenting SW. Yet, even my grandmother, who doesn't play games at all obviously, knows about the RROD.

Yeah, exactly. Sony had that opportunity and instead chose to fight the case. Shows how much they cared.

That's subjective. I could easily say every PS2 owner I know is aware of the DRE problem (and yes, that's true) but neither one of us would be able to prove that.

Yeah, the RROD problem is indeed big but to downplay the DRE as if it wasn't is just foolish because it was a big problem in and of itself.

wait so sony fixing the dre problem is worse than 3 year warranty. that warranty is a damn joke. the only people who defend it are serious lems. its not that great. everyone knows about rrod you can think the news interent and everything inbetwwen. the ps2 had problems but not everyone knows about it like tthe rrod. hell there a rrod thread for every 360 forum, i don't know about you but i rather have a company take action and fix there problem then have them throw out a warrranty. its a shame that lems are too damn stupid to sue the crap out of ms.

I think everyone has heard of the RROD. No one is being "tricked" into buying it. And if you are buying it unaware of the possible hardware issues, that is your own fault for buying a piece of hardware without doing any sort of research.

Its not like some big secret swept under the rug.

HappyAppe

I think it's pretty naive to think that every person buying a 360 is aware of RROD. If 50% knows it's a lot I'd say. It's up to salespersons to tell the regular run of the mill consumer about something like RROD. I think it's a safe bet that many of them won't mention it if it means they risk not selling it to their potential customer.

People who buy a 360 and find out later will probably be very disappointed with Microsoft and the XBox brand. I seriously doubt they'll be eager to buy future MS consoles.

So I thin kit's a good point to say that MS's has a better strategy on short term level than on long term customer satisafaction level. Sony and Nintendo are momentarily ahead of MS in this department (although I also feel that the Wii isn't powerful enough to be truly considered next gen. I do think the majority of consumers know about the difference in power between the wii and PS3/360. And the Wii is cheaper.)

wait so sony fixing the dre problem is worse than 3 year warranty. that warranty is a damn joke. the only people who defend it are serious lems. its not that great. everyone knows about rrod you can think the news interent and everything inbetwwen. the ps2 had problems but not everyone knows about it like tthe rrod. hell there a rrod thread for every 360 forum, i don't know about you but i rather have a company take action and fix there problem then have them throw out a warrranty. its a shame that lems are too damn stupid to sue the crap out of ms.

sireclaborn

Excuse me? Fixing the problem? You act as if Sony did this quickly whereas the truth was far from it. No, there were PS2's suffering from the DRE until February of 2005.

Again, I can tell you that every PS2 owner I know is aware of the PS2's DRE problem. That proves nothing. The RROD may be a bit more widespread than the DRE but please don't act as if the DRE wasn't a big problem. Geez, now I'm repeating myself so I'll move on.

Do you honestly think MS isn't doing whatever they possibly can to eliminate the RROD problem? If so, then you're incredibly naive. What do you think the numerous hardware revisions in the form of shrinking the CPU and GPU were for? On one hand, they save money since Microsoft can create more chips with the same amount of materials but on the other, they also lower heat emissions, thus lowering the risk of the RROD. Why do you think newer systems have larger heatsinks? Do you think MS just threw them in there for the hell of it? No, it's because they want to get rid of this problem as much as their consumers do.

Oh and statements like "its a shame that lems are too damn stupid to sue the crap out of ms"are immature and will only get you modded. :wink:

This gen for the 360 is only three years. Untill people start or allready have started to buy their 2nd Gen 360s.

Remember the Red Ring of Death problem? Even though Microsoft management knew of the hardware problems, they still mass produced the consoles! Their strategy then? Encourage the gamers to buy Xbox 360 before they realize the problems.

Forward to 2008, the year Sony claims as the year of the PS3. Xbox 360 has fewer exclusives in 2008. It seems to have even fewer exclusives in 2009. Games are starting to look/sound equal or better on the PS3. Sony is claiming again and again that the PS3 is more future proof than Xbox 360. All of a sudden, Microsoft had two price cuts in one year.

What is going? How is this connected to the Red Ring of Death problem? Same strategy, folks. Encourage gamers to buy the 360 now before they fully realize the weaknesses of Xbox 360.

It may be a short-term smart strategy for Microsoft, but I dont' think it is a strategy that is good for consumers looking for the most value for their money. Comes 2009, the PS3's superiority in console power and first/second party investments will be even more obvious.

Sihanouk

1- That was s dumb mistake by MS to make and is still s dumb mistake not to fix it and what make it worse the fact they knew about it before launch.

2- While you make some logic here I don't think it is to "encourage" paying for a faulty console. it is because they want to compete and try to reach the mass market with the price and put Sony further down.

However, Sony is beating MS every year Worldwide and can not reduce the price of their console and all is left for this year to end is two months, beating the competition for 10 months and losing slightly for 2 months is not the end of the world so I think thats another reason for Sony's price strategy.

3- Maybe you are right. maybe they would face another RROD fiasco and be forced to fork out another $500-$1B but does it matter to them? thats not a big number when you consider 10M people annually paying $50 for nothing.

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wait so sony fixing the dre problem is worse than 3 year warranty. that warranty is a damn joke. the only people who defend it are serious lems. its not that great. everyone knows about rrod you can think the news interent and everything inbetwwen. the ps2 had problems but not everyone knows about it like tthe rrod. hell there a rrod thread for every 360 forum, i don't know about you but i rather have a company take action and fix there problem then have them throw out a warrranty. its a shame that lems are too damn stupid to sue the crap out of ms.

The_Game21x

Excuse me? Fixing the problem? You act as if Sony did this quickly whereas the truth was far from it. No, there were PS2's suffering from the DRE until February of 2005.

Again, I can tell you that every PS2 owner I know is aware of the PS2's DRE problem. That proves nothing. The RROD may be a bit more widespread than the DRE but please don't act as if the DRE wasn't a big problem. Geez, now I'm repeating myself so I'll move on.

Do you honestly think MS isn't doing whatever they possibly can to eliminate the RROD problem? If so, then you're incredibly naive. What do you think the numerous hardware revisions in the form of shrinking the CPU and GPU were for? On one hand, they save money since Microsoft can create more chips with the same amount of materials but on the other, they also lower heat emissions, thus lowering the risk of the RROD. Why do you think newer systems have larger heatsinks? Do you think MS just threw them in there for the hell of it? No, it's because they want to get rid of this problem as much as their consumers do.

Oh and statements like "its a shame that lems are too damn stupid to sue the crap out of ms"are immature and will only get you modded. :wink:

yeah you do know ms denied the existence of rrod. and made 360 owners pay for their broken systems. ms knew since day one that 360 break... hell after launch i heard of problems with the 360 yet ms did nothing until after the ps3 and wii launch. they could be on top right now. yet there ignorance will lead them to third this gen. it so funny how you lems run over and make the rrod look innocent by bringing in dre. that was then this is now. it doesn't make the rrod look any better. oh and i shouldn't be modded for the truth. why anyone would defend a pos like the 360 is beyond me. it breaks and ms still has not fixed the problem even with the smaller gpu and crap.