Microsoft:We got the BEST graphical programmers worldwide! PS4 has no advantage.

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Microsoft Microsoft Director of Product Planning Albert Penello explained why there's no way the company is willing to give the competition a huge performance advantage. "Im not dismissing raw performance. Im stating as I have stated from the beginning that the performance delta between the two platforms is not as great as the raw numbers lead the average consumer to believe," "There are things about our system architecture not fully understood, and there are things about theirs as well, that bring the two systems into balance." "People DO understand that Microsoft has some of the smartest graphics programmers IN THE WORLD. We CREATED DirectX, the standard APIs that everyone programs against. So while people laude Sony for their [hardware] skills, do you really think we dont know how to build a system optimized for maximizing graphics for programmers? Seriously? There is no way were giving up a 30%+ advantage to Sony. And ANYONE who has seen both systems running could say there are great looking games on both systems. If there was really huge performance difference it would be obvious." Penello then brought up similar instances where Sony and fans of the Playstation proclaimed superior performance with the PS2 and PS3 before concluding that, "in the end, games on our system looked the same or better."

Microsoft is getting a bit sassy all of a sudden, and they usually don't say much to anyone. i find it funny now they are going up on people faces now all of a sudden. But anyway, interesting stealth stab at the PS2 and PS3. Also, they basically said that the PS2 and PS3 proved they are a fluke (in his eyes) and that Sony is mostly only good at physical hardware but not software output optimization because of much better programmers.
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Have you SEEN Titanfall??
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There are things about our system architecture not fully understood, and there are things about theirs as well, that bring the two systems into balance." "People DO understand that Microsoft has some of the smartest graphics programmers IN THE WORLD. We CREATED DirectX, the standard APIs that everyone programs against. Jakandsigz

I'd believe this to a certain extent, as MS obviously houses some pretty talented people. But sometimes brute force is all you need.

You can't wrangle a lot out of a little. PS4 will have the edge, it's not like Sony designed the console with monkeys at the helm. They know what they're doing too.

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Well, MS programmers are a mixed bag. They give us the awesome .Net framework and DirectX, but then also gave us Windows ME, Windows VISTA, Windows 8, and the bloatware that is MS Office.

But, I think they know more about operating systems than Sony.

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[QUOTE="Jakandsigz"]

Microsoft Microsoft Director of Product Planning Albert Penello explained why there's no way the company is willing to give the competition a huge performance advantage. "Im not dismissing raw performance. Im stating as I have stated from the beginning that the performance delta between the two platforms is not as great as the raw numbers lead the average consumer to believe," "There are things about our system architecture not fully understood, and there are things about theirs as well, that bring the two systems into balance." "People DO understand that Microsoft has some of the smartest graphics programmers IN THE WORLD. We CREATED DirectX, the standard APIs that everyone programs against. So while people laude Sony for their [hardware] skills, do you really think we dont know how to build a system optimized for maximizing graphics for programmers? Seriously? There is no way were giving up a 30%+ advantage to Sony. And ANYONE who has seen both systems running could say there are great looking games on both systems. If there was really huge performance difference it would be obvious." Penello then brought up similar instances where Sony and fans of the Playstation proclaimed superior performance with the PS2 and PS3 before concluding that, "in the end, games on our system looked the same or better."

Microsoft is getting a bit sassy all of a sudden, and they usually don't say much to anyone. i find it funny now they are going up on people faces now all of a sudden. But anyway, interesting stealth stab at the PS2 and PS3. Also, they basically said that the PS2 and PS3 proved they are a fluke (in his eyes) and that Sony is mostly only good at physical hardware but not software output optimization because of much better programmers.

They probably get tired of the same bullshit over and over again. I am over the graphics talk as well. I am only concerned about the games.
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I feel like he is gonna cry.

He speaks the truth tho.

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Microsoft is in damage control and hype building over-drive. :?

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lol such school yard bullshit

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Thats what u get when idiots buys from microsoft they give it the mouth!!

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MS just making the rounds with its daily PR
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#15 Mr-Kutaragi
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Did MS steal Naughty Dog? So much for 2nd gpu. Now MS are hyping directx instead of hardware. TLHBO.
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Did MS steal Naughty Dog? So much for 2nd gpu. Now MS are hyping directx instead of hardware. TLHBO.Mr-Kutaragi

They have a custom GPU and a custom CPU running a custom version of DirectX. Why not hype it?

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all microsoft can do right is fool the masses to fall into their bs PR

they always have "the best", spend "x ammount of money" yet somehow the competition always ends up with better products.

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Did MS steal Naughty Dog? So much for 2nd gpu. Now MS are hyping directx instead of hardware. TLHBO.Mr-Kutaragi
2nd gpu? you ok buddy? You hit your head?
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Why dont they show it then? Every demo I'm seeing from a third party developer is using PS4 as it's main platform. I've till now never seen a third party xbox one gameplay and that includes Watchdogs, The Division, battlefield 4, etc (Oh wait call of duty ran on xbox but that doesn't matter)

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Why would you say that Microsoft?

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[QUOTE="Mr-Kutaragi"]Did MS steal Naughty Dog? So much for 2nd gpu. Now MS are hyping directx instead of hardware. TLHBO.Jakandsigz
2nd gpu? you ok buddy? You hit your head?

Xbox fan were hyping hidden gpu. Secret sauce. :lol: Now MS avoids hardware comparison, and hypes Direct x instead. Looks hardware is finally set in stone.
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"And ANYONE who has seen both systems running could say there are great looking games on both systems. If there was really huge performance difference it would be obvious." Then why not show us a multiplat that's on the PS4 then MS? All we've had is BF4 on PC. All mouth no substance, give us a multiplat direct feed so we can compare instead of hiding behind exclusives that look worse than the competition's anyway.
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Its true :cool:

Must be hard for Sony programmers when they're getting paid in peanuts and I.O.Us :(

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Isn't DX supposed to be blight on the PC gaming scene?
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[QUOTE="Jakandsigz"][QUOTE="Mr-Kutaragi"]Did MS steal Naughty Dog? So much for 2nd gpu. Now MS are hyping directx instead of hardware. TLHBO.Mr-Kutaragi
2nd gpu? you ok buddy? You hit your head?

Xbox fan were hyping hidden gpu. Secret sauce. :lol: Now MS avoids hardware comparison, and hypes Direct x instead. Looks hardware is finally set in stone.

Except games are software, and look at the PS3 and 360. The hardware on the PS3 was better, yet more games ran better and were more consistent on the PS3, and pretty much tied graphically. Also link to 2nd Gpu?
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Microsoft Microsoft Director of Product Planning Albert Penello explained why there's no way the company is willing to give the competition a huge performance advantage. "Im not dismissing raw performance. Im stating as I have stated from the beginning that the performance delta between the two platforms is not as great as the raw numbers lead the average consumer to believe," "There are things about our system architecture not fully understood, and there are things about theirs as well, that bring the two systems into balance." "People DO understand that Microsoft has some of the smartest graphics programmers IN THE WORLD. We CREATED DirectX, the standard APIs that everyone programs against. So while people laude Sony for their [hardware] skills, do you really think we dont know how to build a system optimized for maximizing graphics for programmers? Seriously? There is no way were giving up a 30%+ advantage to Sony. And ANYONE who has seen both systems running could say there are great looking games on both systems. If there was really huge performance difference it would be obvious." Penello then brought up similar instances where Sony and fans of the Playstation proclaimed superior performance with the PS2 and PS3 before concluding that, "in the end, games on our system looked the same or better."Jakandsigz

 

This is true.  I'm not seeing anythiung groundbreakingly different between the two platforms in terms of graphics.

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MS is digging themselves into a hole.

This should be entertaining.

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Its true :cool:

Must be hard for Sony programmers when they're getting paid in peanuts and I.O.Us :(

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No need for I.O.U's, the canadian head quarters is worth $4000 they could pay the off by selling that :)
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Isn't DX supposed to be blight on the PC gaming scene?clyde46

it is actually but microsoft owns windows so it is the only option for pc, thats why devs are trying to migrate and give support to linux but reallistically it won't happen, at least not for a loooong while.

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[QUOTE="Jakandsigz"]

Microsoft Microsoft Director of Product Planning Albert Penello explained why there's no way the company is willing to give the competition a huge performance advantage. "Im not dismissing raw performance. Im stating as I have stated from the beginning that the performance delta between the two platforms is not as great as the raw numbers lead the average consumer to believe," "There are things about our system architecture not fully understood, and there are things about theirs as well, that bring the two systems into balance." "People DO understand that Microsoft has some of the smartest graphics programmers IN THE WORLD. We CREATED DirectX, the standard APIs that everyone programs against. So while people laude Sony for their [hardware] skills, do you really think we dont know how to build a system optimized for maximizing graphics for programmers? Seriously? There is no way were giving up a 30%+ advantage to Sony. And ANYONE who has seen both systems running could say there are great looking games on both systems. If there was really huge performance difference it would be obvious." Penello then brought up similar instances where Sony and fans of the Playstation proclaimed superior performance with the PS2 and PS3 before concluding that, "in the end, games on our system looked the same or better."

Microsoft is getting a bit sassy all of a sudden, and they usually don't say much to anyone. i find it funny now they are going up on people faces now all of a sudden. But anyway, interesting stealth stab at the PS2 and PS3. Also, they basically said that the PS2 and PS3 proved they are a fluke (in his eyes) and that Sony is mostly only good at physical hardware but not software output optimization because of much better programmers.

Lmao... Yeah, ok MS; Atleast Sony and PS fans didn't have to put up with RROD and massive hardware failers around the world... This guy and MS are obviously trying to appeal to the fanboys now, with this one... Your average consumer aren't gonna care about what your programmer can do inside the hardware, they care mostly about their investment; you know, hardware "itself" not failing and becoming a $500 brick do to overheating; which it seems MS is setting themselves up to repeat again. I swear, MS's damage control is in full effect... Based on all these PR and Q&A they've been so vocal about as of late, clearly shows, they see Sony and Playstation as a huge threat... First they said, they don't see Sony as a threat; and now, they can't seem to shut up about what Sony is doing with their console... They said, specs didn't matter... and now they're overclocking CPUs and GPUs left and right... and for what, exactly, if "specs didn't matter"??? and the list goes on... "Oh, we have the best games and launch line up, ever!!!" Which any smart person will tell you is subjective. "Let me go on my phone and take pictures of our consoles leaving the warehouse and tweet about it." "Oh, we were about the gamers ALL ALONG, we were just testing everybody to see what they would say but, WE listened..." Yeah, right!!! If MS didn't see Sony as a threat, and hardware specs didn't matter, and they have all the "so called" best games; then why all the 180s? Why overclock your system's specs?? Why not let them games speak for themselves upon release, why keep parading journalist with objective statements about those games??? Anyone can say, they have the best games...
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[QUOTE="Jakandsigz"][QUOTE="Mr-Kutaragi"][QUOTE="Jakandsigz"] 2nd gpu? you ok buddy? You hit your head?

Xbox fan were hyping hidden gpu. Secret sauce. :lol: Now MS avoids hardware comparison, and hypes Direct x instead. Looks hardware is finally set in stone.

Except games are software, and look at the PS3 and 360. The hardware on the PS3 was better, yet more games ran better and were more consistent on the PS3, and pretty much tied graphically. Also link to 2nd Gpu?

Tied graphically? :lol: Some lemming are still in denial. 360 has not produced game that suprasses 2009 ps3 game. Please do not cry. Yes, here is link to lemmings claiming 2nd gpu: http://www.gamespot.com/forums/board/314159282/system-wars
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[QUOTE="Mr-Kutaragi"][QUOTE="Jakandsigz"][QUOTE="Mr-Kutaragi"] Xbox fan were hyping hidden gpu. Secret sauce. :lol: Now MS avoids hardware comparison, and hypes Direct x instead. Looks hardware is finally set in stone.

Except games are software, and look at the PS3 and 360. The hardware on the PS3 was better, yet more games ran better and were more consistent on the PS3, and pretty much tied graphically. Also link to 2nd Gpu?

Tied graphically? :lol: Some lemming are still in denial. 360 has not produced game that suprasses 2009 ps3 game. Please do not cry. Yes, here is link to lemmings claiming 2nd gpu: http://www.gamespot.com/forums/board/314159282/system-wars

Gears 3 easily matches anything on PS3.
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Gears 3 easily matches anything on PS3.FPSfan1985
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[QUOTE="Mr-Kutaragi"][QUOTE="Jakandsigz"][QUOTE="Mr-Kutaragi"] Xbox fan were hyping hidden gpu. Secret sauce. :lol: Now MS avoids hardware comparison, and hypes Direct x instead. Looks hardware is finally set in stone.

Except games are software, and look at the PS3 and 360. The hardware on the PS3 was better, yet more games ran better and were more consistent on the PS3, and pretty much tied graphically. Also link to 2nd Gpu?

Tied graphically? :lol: Some lemming are still in denial. 360 has not produced game that suprasses 2009 ps3 game. Please do not cry. Yes, here is link to lemmings claiming 2nd gpu: http://www.gamespot.com/forums/board/314159282/system-wars

Show me someone other than you with a link that says the Xbox has no games that look better than 2009 PS3 games.
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#42 FPSfan1985
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Sure MS that 150% higher GPU power in the PS4 vs X1 is all a figment of our imagination. 

Retarded greedy BS'n MS at it again. :roll:

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Well, MS programmers are a mixed bag. They give us the awesome .Net framework and DirectX, but then also gave us Windows ME, Windows VISTA, Windows 8, and the bloatware that is MS Office.

But, I think they know more about operating systems than Sony.

StormyJoe

Now are you listing Windows 8 in the negative side because of the Start screen or because you have used it before? I'm asking because Windows 8 is essentially a much faster and efficient version of Windows 7. 

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I find DX to be the worst thing to use to make games.

Its heavily limited with alot of restrictions so MS can sell the next version of Windows OS.

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[QUOTE="Jakandsigz"][QUOTE="Mr-Kutaragi"][QUOTE="Jakandsigz"] Except games are software, and look at the PS3 and 360. The hardware on the PS3 was better, yet more games ran better and were more consistent on the PS3, and pretty much tied graphically. Also link to 2nd Gpu?

Tied graphically? :lol: Some lemming are still in denial. 360 has not produced game that suprasses 2009 ps3 game. Please do not cry. Yes, here is link to lemmings claiming 2nd gpu: http://www.gamespot.com/forums/board/314159282/system-wars

Show me someone other than you with a link that says the Xbox has no games that look better than 2009 PS3 games.

I cannot prove that water is wet, because is common knowledge. Common knowledge that 360 does not have any game superior to Uncharted 2. Please do not cry.
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[QUOTE="Tessellation"]dat basement dwellers butthurt is strong here :cool:Mr-Kutaragi
Please lemming stop the tears. No need to dress up your consoles with your mothers underwear. :lol:

you don't need to show us how butthurt you're,but you already brought up my mother to the discussion :cool: #STAYMAD.
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Sure MS that 150% higher GPU power in the PS4 vs X1 is all a figment of our imagination.

Retarded greedy BS'n MS at it again. :roll:

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150%?

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[QUOTE="Jakandsigz"][QUOTE="Mr-Kutaragi"][QUOTE="Jakandsigz"] Except games are software, and look at the PS3 and 360. The hardware on the PS3 was better, yet more games ran better and were more consistent on the PS3, and pretty much tied graphically. Also link to 2nd Gpu?

Tied graphically? :lol: Some lemming are still in denial. 360 has not produced game that suprasses 2009 ps3 game. Please do not cry. Yes, here is link to lemmings claiming 2nd gpu: http://www.gamespot.com/forums/board/314159282/system-wars

Show me someone other than you with a link that says the Xbox has no games that look better than 2009 PS3 games.

no game on x360 comes close to 1st party PS3 exclusives, heck, I still find them better looking than what I've seen on X1 so far.