Microsoft:We got the BEST graphical programmers worldwide! PS4 has no advantage.

you change the subject a long tim ago. you can't even spell" speech". They use other middleware as well! Umbra3 (one example of a middleware} help for some the visual of this gen and next gen. Go learn to develop a game adn stop making up wild assumptions and stop saying shit that i didn't say.

wiiutroll

:lol:

Backpedaling more.

Say I spelled a word wrong and you can't even use captial I.

:lol:

Good, I hope they follow up with Ai programmers, Map designers, Multiplayer programers etc... 

[QUOTE="wiiutroll"]

you change the subject a long tim ago. you can't even spell" speech". They use other middleware as well! Umbra3 (one example of a middleware} help for some the visual of this gen and next gen. Go learn to develop a game adn stop making up wild assumptions and stop saying shit that i didn't say.

Truth_Hurts_U

:lol:

Backpedaling more.

Say I spelled a word wrong and you can't even use captial I.

:lol:

How is that backpedaling? You are just moron in general. "Say I spelled a word wrong" and now you have worst grammar then me!Wow you are bad. It's clear that you know nothing right now about programming and game design.Also further being ignore.

wiiutroll

:lol:

How's it feel?

:lol:

i havent seen anything jaw dropping from next gen apart from all the pc versions of games

the best? really? is that why xbox overheats all the time??

The best??? How??? have they done anything that look better than Uncharted, GOW, The Last of Us, KZSF and the Second Son?

The best??? How??? have they done anything that look better than Uncharted, GOW, The Last of Us, KZSF and the Second Son?

ni6htmare01

All those games would have looked better on 360. I've played all these games and while good, nothing the 360 couldn't do.

[QUOTE="ni6htmare01"]

The best??? How??? have they done anything that look better than Uncharted, GOW, The Last of Us, KZSF and the Second Son?

GravityX

All those games would have looked better on 360. I've played all these games and while good, nothing the 360 couldn't do.

I can see that :lol:

[QUOTE="GravityX"]

[QUOTE="ni6htmare01"]

The best??? How??? have they done anything that look better than Uncharted, GOW, The Last of Us, KZSF and the Second Son?

ni6htmare01

All those games would have looked better on 360. I've played all these games and while good, nothing the 360 couldn't do.

[QUOTE="GravityX"]

[QUOTE="ni6htmare01"]

The best??? How??? have they done anything that look better than Uncharted, GOW, The Last of Us, KZSF and the Second Son?

ni6htmare01

All those games would have looked better on 360. I've played all these games and while good, nothing the 360 couldn't do.

[QUOTE="GravityX"]

[QUOTE="ni6htmare01"]

The best??? How??? have they done anything that look better than Uncharted, GOW, The Last of Us, KZSF and the Second Son?

ni6htmare01

All those games would have looked better on 360. I've played all these games and while good, nothing the 360 couldn't do.

They have. See what the difference is, primarily, is the art style. PS fans love the art style of their games. And I get it. Also I'm sure a lot of PS3 owners don't play Xbox 360 games. So they have a skewed one sided perceptive. All in all the games looked comparable.

More marketing BS, just like "teh cloud"

As ive said before, MS does not know how to handle competition. Windows = borderline monopoly. They could call everyone turds for using windows and market share wouldnt change. As for the console world, diff story. BS marketing isnt the be all end all (though you would think it is with the way Apple has been growing.)

[QUOTE="ni6htmare01"][QUOTE="GravityX"]

All those games would have looked better on 360. I've played all these games and while good, nothing the 360 couldn't do.

Kaz_Son

lol such school yard bullshit

seanmcloughlin

[QUOTE="ni6htmare01"]

The best??? How??? have they done anything that look better than Uncharted, GOW, The Last of Us, KZSF and the Second Son?

GravityX

All those games would have looked better on 360. I've played all these games and while good, nothing the 360 couldn't do.

Proof? No games on 360 look as good.

Granted, I don't think it's impossible for any of those games to be done on 360. But the fact that they were never matched means either the PS3 was a slightly more capable system, or that the "graphical programmers" working in-house on the PS3 did a better job with the resources they were given (as far as learning the in's and outs of the cell and the PS3 memory). 

I don't see that changing next gen. Plus with the PS4 being easier to program for, and more powerful, the final product from ALL developers should be more consistent in performance than the PS3 was (no more sloppy ports). 

Well.................MS I would say has a sizeable foothold in the PC market.

However, on the leading platform, MS hasnt made a killer looking PC game.

SO, for them to claim that is......well........reaching.

Especially since their two TOP developers from last Gen were PC developers.

MS friggin owned all the cows out there.  Cows are now damage controlling.  BBuuttt butt butt.  hahahhhahhaha

lolhemad?!?!

Like some people on the first page said.. i'm over graphics.. show me gameplay mechanics over graphics anyday. 

I can see that :lol:

Douevenlift_bro

You're really digging yourself a hole here. If Ryse scores well, my taunting of you and some other cows will be... merciless. I'd thing about an alt account if I were you.

Ye which explains why killzone looks better than any of the xbone launch games and why driveclub, which is made by a tier 2 sony developer looks as good if not better than forza.campzor

:lol:

[QUOTE="GravityX"]

[QUOTE="ni6htmare01"]

The best??? How??? have they done anything that look better than Uncharted, GOW, The Last of Us, KZSF and the Second Son?

2Chalupas

All those games would have looked better on 360. I've played all these games and while good, nothing the 360 couldn't do.

Proof? No games on 360 look as good.

Granted, I don't think it's impossible for any of those games to be done on 360. But the fact that they were never matched means either the PS3 was a slightly more capable system, or that the "graphical programmers" working in-house on the PS3 did a better job with the resources they were given (as far as learning the in's and outs of the cell and the PS3 memory).

I don't see that changing next gen. Plus with the PS4 being easier to program for, and more powerful, the final product from ALL developers should be more consistent in performance than the PS3 was (no more sloppy ports).

C'mon now... the only thing that made them "only possible on the PS3" is the Blu-Ray disc space. The PS3 is barely more powerful than the 360. Which btw, is still a bigger gap than PS4 and XB1.

lol MS... if DirectX is the best you can do, then no.. you DONT have the best programmers...

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/133824-valve-opengl-is-faster-than-directx-even-on-windows

And a VERY interesting read about this (spoiler: includes mention to MS doing a typical move: Backpedalling)

http://blog.wolfire.com/2010/01/Why-you-should-use-OpenGL-and-not-DirectX

Multiplats will be pretty much the same,Xbox exclusives will be nice and PS4 exclusives will be.............GLORIOUS(just like this gen).

[QUOTE="FPSfan1985"][QUOTE="Mr-Kutaragi"] Tied graphically? :lol: Some lemming are still in denial. 360 has not produced game that suprasses 2009 ps3 game. Please do not cry. Yes, here is link to lemmings claiming 2nd gpu: http://www.gamespot.com/forums/board/314159282/system-warsMcSkombi

I actually think the Gears of War series is the best looking series on current gen. Its more opinion on my part, I just really love the way it looks. I prefer it to Uncharted and TLOU.

lol MS... if DirectX is the best you can do, then no.. you DONT have the best programmers...

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/133824-valve-opengl-is-faster-than-directx-even-on-windows

And a VERY interesting read about this (spoiler: includes mention to MS doing a typical move: Backpedalling)

http://blog.wolfire.com/2010/01/Why-you-should-use-OpenGL-and-not-DirectX

ManatuBeard

That second link basically says "we are rebels because we use open GL". Translation: most game developers use Dirext X. Self ownage???

tiswas

Xbox PR talking

lol MS... if DirectX is the best you can do, then no.. you DONT have the best programmers...

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/133824-valve-opengl-is-faster-than-directx-even-on-windows

 

And a VERY interesting read about this (spoiler: includes mention to MS doing a typical move: Backpedalling)

http://blog.wolfire.com/2010/01/Why-you-should-use-OpenGL-and-not-DirectX

ManatuBeard

They both have fantactic programmers, developers, and artisits. MSFT is top-nothc, but I give the edge to Sony just for being able to hang and occasionally outshine MSFT.

[QUOTE="campzor"]Ye which explains why killzone looks better than any of the xbone launch games and why driveclub, which is made by a tier 2 sony developer looks as good if not better than forza.StormyJoe

:lol:

He's right killzone:sf the best looking next gen launch game, that's a well known fact. Maybe not for you...
No comment on driveclub after seeing the other video :cry: 

Well, MS programmers are a mixed bag. They give us the awesome .Net framework and DirectX, but then also gave us Windows ME, Windows VISTA, Windows 8, and the bloatware that is MS Office.

But, I think they know more about operating systems than Sony.

StormyJoe

They both have fantactic programmers, developers, and artisits. MSFT is top-nothc, but I give the edge to Sony just for being able to hang and occasionally outshine MSFT.

shellcase86

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

[QUOTE="campzor"]Ye which explains why killzone looks better than any of the xbone launch games and why driveclub, which is made by a tier 2 sony developer looks as good if not better than forza.ramonnl

:lol:

He's right killzone:sf the best looking next gen launch game, that's a well known fact. Maybe not for you...
No comment on driveclub after seeing the other video :cry:

A fact, huh? Interesting, since I posted a link in here earlier that was from Time Magazine, where they said Ryse was the best looking game...

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

Well, MS programmers are a mixed bag. They give us the awesome .Net framework and DirectX, but then also gave us Windows ME, Windows VISTA, Windows 8, and the bloatware that is MS Office.

But, I think they know more about operating systems than Sony.

lhughey

Look, don't even get me started on some of MS's stupid bugs. My problem? Please. What about SSRS not rendering in FireFox and Chrome correctly, and MS's official stance is "Use IE"? What about the EDMX not recognizing return parameters from stored procedures? Or how log-shipped servers freeze at random? How about the GUI designer in .Net still - after 7 years of it being on the market - is rendered useless if you use master pages? How about how SQL Server never releases system resources?

Look, I like MS - especially .Net and Direct X... but putting them on the pedestal you are is a bit of a stretch.

Microsoft Microsoft Director of Product Planning Albert Penello explained why there's no way the company is willing to give the competition a huge performance advantage. "Im not dismissing raw performance. Im stating as I have stated from the beginning that the performance delta between the two platforms is not as great as the raw numbers lead the average consumer to believe," "There are things about our system architecture not fully understood, and there are things about theirs as well, that bring the two systems into balance." "People DO understand that Microsoft has some of the smartest graphics programmers IN THE WORLD. We CREATED DirectX, the standard APIs that everyone programs against. So while people laude Sony for their [hardware] skills, do you really think we dont know how to build a system optimized for maximizing graphics for programmers? Seriously? There is no way were giving up a 30%+ advantage to Sony. And ANYONE who has seen both systems running could say there are great looking games on both systems. If there was really huge performance difference it would be obvious." Penello then brought up similar instances where Sony and fans of the Playstation proclaimed superior performance with the PS2 and PS3 before concluding that, "in the end, games on our system looked the same or better."Jakandsigz

Microsoft is getting a bit sassy all of a sudden, and they usually don't say much to anyone. i find it funny now they are going up on people faces now all of a sudden. But anyway, interesting stealth stab at the PS2 and PS3. Also, they basically said that the PS2 and PS3 proved they are a fluke (in his eyes) and that Sony is mostly only good at physical hardware but not software output optimization because of much better programmers.

Does anyone else see the irony in this statement?  When the 360 launched (much earlier), it really came with a better and MOST crucial component; the 48 ALU pipeline GPU.  Sony started to talk about the "unseen" power of "The Cell."  This just sounds like MS damage control.  While MS is definitely a software company, you can't just magically make games better looking as as whole.  The power difference is bigger than the 360 and PS3 this time around AND both systems are more easily programmable.  Sony has the edge and there is no "magic power" that makes it a better system.  MS may be able to make some graphically superior exclusives depending on how much money they put into them; much like how Sony did with some of their IP exclusives. 

Sony and Microsoft should meet under the junglejim during recess with all this childish talk going.

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Douevenlift_bro

Cows soooo jelly over TitanFall...