Microsoft:We got the BEST graphical programmers worldwide! PS4 has no advantage.

And Sony employs some of the best 3d artists in the history of the medium.  A lot of them teach master classes for CGSociety, Gnomon, ZBWorkshops, Digital Tutors, Eat3D, etc,... on the side.  

This is not a good argument for MS to start, Sony is overflowing with wildly talented individuals across many fields.

Sounds to me like MS is slowly re-growing a pair and trying a last ditch effort for damage control before sh*t hits the fan.  

Trying to compare the PS2/PS3 situation to the PS4 just shows how embarrassingly desperate this guy is.  

sandbox3d

how does this go in play with":We got the BEST graphical programmers worldwide! PS4 has no advantage." Yes, i do know how games are made unlike you. Have you use technical support for microsoft for programming?

wiiutroll

Where do you think royalties go? Part goes back into support for games being made on the system.

You obviously never see any game documentaries or seen end credits. :lol:

They even have people come out and help them if they are stuck.

Who the hell do you think writes the manuals on the systems that coders follow?

:lol:

Moron.

[QUOTE="wiiutroll"]

how does this go in play with":We got the BEST graphical programmers worldwide! PS4 has no advantage." Yes, i do know how games are made unlike you. Have you use technical support for microsoft for programming?

Truth_Hurts_U

Where do you think royalties go? Part goes back into support for games being made on the system.

You obviously never see any game documentaries or seen end credits. :lol:

They even have people come out and help them if they are stuck.

Who the hell do you think writes the manuals on the systems that coders follow?

:lol:

Moron.

[QUOTE="wiiutroll"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

shipped = sold

so these companies just ship their consoles to retailers for free?

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="wiiutroll"] no it doesn't

OniLordAsmodeus

so these companies just ship their consoles to retailers for free?

[QUOTE="Mr-Kutaragi"]I already dig into posting history to prove you wrong before, and you were in denial. I am not digging weeks/ months back into posting history to appease stalker. If I did not own, then why such stalking and harrassing me in random threads? Butthurt and tears is why. Better shape up if expecting mod power again. No more stalking me, please.CaseyWegner

so you have nothing. that's what i figured.

and still...

You have to ask yourself why didn't MS make the Xbox One more powerful. I mean they have more money than Sony they could have easy got the better GPU and crush the PS4 and yet they didn't? Are they playing the long game. Having more casuals buy the X1 than hardcore gamers, trying to beat Apple to the TV market? 

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

shipped = sold

[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"][QUOTE="wiiutroll"] no it doesn'tOniLordAsmodeus

why are you missing my question? i never said microsoft doesn't make money off those stuff. Are you high on something (seriously)? Honestly stop quoting me , if you are not going to respond to relate to what i say.

wiiutroll

Your name suits you. You're now back peddling. "But MS doesn't do anything". :lol:

They do and just because they are 3rd party doesn't mean they are not getting help. They get higher support being exclusive and have to have meetings regularly. Just like how the Gears of War guys had to do.

I have current MS sales.Jakandsigz

http://www.gamespot.com/news/782-million-xbox-360s-sold-6411865Jakandsigz

You have to ask yourself why didn't MS make the Xbox One more powerful. I mean they have more money than Sony they could have easy got the better GPU and crush the PS4 and yet they didn't? Are they playing the long game. Having more casuals buy the X1 than hardcore gamers, trying to beat Apple to the TV market?

xhawk27

If kinect wasn't forced into the box. They could have used part of that money on a better system.

[QUOTE="Jakandsigz"] I have current MS sales.Mr-Kutaragi

http://www.gamespot.com/news/782-million-xbox-360s-sold-6411865Jakandsigz

One, that was not directed at you and you cut it out of context, 2, those are current MS sales released. So you just owned yourself?Jakandsigz

[QUOTE="Jakandsigz"]One, that was not directed at you and you cut it out of context, 2, those are current MS sales released. So you just owned yourself?DerekLoffin

http://www.gamespot.com/news/782-million-xbox-360s-sold-6411865Jakandsigz

[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"]

[QUOTE="Jakandsigz"]One, that was not directed at you and you cut it out of context, 2, those are current MS sales released. So you just owned yourself?Jakandsigz

[QUOTE="wiiutroll"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

shipped = sold

DerekLoffin

[QUOTE="Jakandsigz"][QUOTE="Mr-Kutaragi"] TLHBOstrawhatlupi

Are you really this stupid? More people would have bought a 360 in Japan if it didn't have RROD issues. 

[QUOTE="wiiutroll"]

why are you missing my question? i never said microsoft doesn't make money off those stuff. Are you high on something (seriously)? Honestly stop quoting me , if you are not going to respond to relate to what i say.

Truth_Hurts_U

Your name suits you. You're now back peddling. "But MS doesn't do anything". :lol:

They do and just because they are 3rd party doesn't mean they are not getting help. They get higher support being exclusive and have to have meetings regularly. Just like how the Gears of War guys had to do.

[QUOTE="Jakandsigz"][QUOTE="DerekLoffin"] You really should pay more attention to your links. That was current 360 verses and old estimate of PS3 (which the equivalent estimate put 360 at 1 million less, so not exactly a good estimate to use to try and say 360 is ahead).DerekLoffin

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="wiiutroll"] no it doesn't

OniLordAsmodeus

so these companies just ship their consoles to retailers for free?

yes. retailers buy the consoles from the manufacturer. that's a sale.

One, that was not directed at you and you cut it out of context, 2, those are current MS sales released. So you just owned yourself?Jakandsigz

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="Mr-Kutaragi"]I already dig into posting history to prove you wrong before, and you were in denial. I am not digging weeks/ months back into posting history to appease stalker. If I did not own, then why such stalking and harrassing me in random threads? Butthurt and tears is why. Better shape up if expecting mod power again. No more stalking me, please.Mr-Kutaragi

so you have nothing. that's what i figured.

and still...

again, i wish i didn't have to bite my tongue here.

[QUOTE="Jakandsigz"]One, that was not directed at you and you cut it out of context, 2, those are current MS sales released. So you just owned yourself?Mr-Kutaragi

[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"][QUOTE="Jakandsigz"] You just compare an estimate to an official release. As I said before, the last PS3 numbers were in NOV. Which came out of Sonys mouth, you are confusing the issue.Jakandsigz

AH, screw it, you and Ken deserve each other.  I'm out of here.

[QUOTE="strawhatlupi"][QUOTE="Jakandsigz"] One, that was not directed at you and you cut it out of context, 2, those are current MS sales released. So you just owned yourself?xhawk27

Are you really this stupid? More people would have bought a 360 in Japan if it didn't have RROD issues. 

So far I havn't seen anything on the PS4 that supasses the XB1 games.

[QUOTE="Jakandsigz"][QUOTE="DerekLoffin"] No, I'm not confusing the issue, you're trying to weasel out. You claimed 1st that PS3 was in last, yet you have nothing to back it up. I'll grant the PS3 hasn't good proof of 2nd place either, but until you put up a real link to some actual comparable figure, and not garbage estimates, you're just BSing.DerekLoffin

AH, screw it, you and Ken deserve each other.  I'm out of here.

[QUOTE="Mr-Kutaragi"][QUOTE="Jakandsigz"]One, that was not directed at you and you cut it out of context, 2, those are current MS sales released. So you just owned yourself?Jakandsigz

is something wrong with you? They use middleware , they provide their own support. The only help that you get will be documentation that everyone using their services are provided for the dev tools. Quote me on where i backpedal. Go to back world of warcraft.

wiiutroll

:lol:

You prove my point again. They are given a manual on how to use the HW to code. Watch the Mark Cerny speach. When they have the dev kit they get support and have to send in code for verification. Watch Indie Game The Movie. MS does provide tools but most dev's make their own. Indie are the ones that typically use MS tools. Other's licences tool from Epic, Crytek or other 3rd party dev tool makers. MS/Sony offer trouble shooting and other services for dev's.

You were trying to change the subject.

[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"]Since you consistently discount VGChartz, you know a site that uses estimates just like the garbage you're using, you are the one being a moron by then turning around and using an even worse estimate (not even from the comparable time period). There is no confusion here, just you being caught BSing.

AH, screw it, you and Ken deserve each other.  I'm out of here.

Jakandsigz

Have you SEEN Titanfall??mems_1224

[QUOTE="Jakandsigz"][QUOTE="DerekLoffin"]Since you consistently discount VGChartz, you know a site that uses estimates just like the garbage you're using, you are the one being a moron by then turning around and using an even worse estimate (not even from the comparable time period). There is no confusion here, just you being caught BSing.

AH, screw it, you and Ken deserve each other.  I'm out of here.

Mr-Kutaragi

[QUOTE="Jakandsigz"][QUOTE="DerekLoffin"] No, I'm not confusing the issue, you're trying to weasel out. You claimed 1st that PS3 was in last, yet you have nothing to back it up. I'll grant the PS3 hasn't good proof of 2nd place either, but until you put up a real link to some actual comparable figure, and not garbage estimates, you're just BSing.DerekLoffin

AH, screw it, you and Ken deserve each other.  I'm out of here.

The proof, as always, will be in the finished games. All specs, no matter if they are pro or con for your console will outweight the finished product being in front of you.

But even then its a matter of opinion. And like assholes, everybody got one.

It is strange how the ps4 has more powerful hardware on paper but there has not been one game that shows it. 

[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"]

[QUOTE="Jakandsigz"] You're a moron, i said it was last based on the data we have, which is true. You are confusing the issue.Jakandsigz

AH, screw it, you and Ken deserve each other.  I'm out of here.

Didn't lemmings used to use the Developers argument when ps3 Exclusives looked better than their Xbox counterparts?

This is just coming full circle to bite them in the ass, lol.

[QUOTE="wiiutroll"]

is something wrong with you? They use middleware , they provide their own support. The only help that you get will be documentation that everyone using their services are provided for the dev tools. Quote me on where i backpedal. Go to back world of warcraft.

Truth_Hurts_U

:lol:

You prove my point again. They are given a manual on how to use the HW to code. Watch the Mark Cerny speach. When they have the dev kit they get support and have to send in code for verification. Watch Indie Game The Movie. MS does provide tools but most dev's make their own. Indie are the ones that typically use MS tools. Other's licences tool from Epic, Crytek or other 3rd party dev tool makers. MS/Sony offer trouble shooting and other services for dev's.

You were trying to change the subject.

Haven't seen anything on Xbone that looks better than Second Son yet.

[QUOTE="Jakandsigz"][QUOTE="DerekLoffin"] Since you consistently discount VGChartz, you know a site that uses estimates just like the garbage you're using, you are the one being a moron by then turning around and using an even worse estimate (not even from the comparable time period). There is no confusion here, just you being caught BSing.

AH, screw it, you and Ken deserve each other.  I'm out of here.

strawhatlupi