Miyamoto: 'E3 is No Longer for Showing Core Games'

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"][QUOTE="subrosian"]

No it doesn't.

What "new types of gameplay" did Nintendo show that they haven't been showing since 2006?

110million

Yeah, and even then, simple Wii-sports games didn't show it off at all, I wana see ACTUAL 1:1 motion, like varying sword swings, stabs, and doing more then simple horizontal, veritcle, and diagonal slashes, since I'm sure even the Wii-mote can do that, I wana see someone like spin a sword in their hand and have it actually happen, thats what I THOUGHT the 1:1 motion would be, but its not even remotely close to that.

I wouldn't be surprised if they could, actually. Have you seen the part where they were chopping up logs and giant pencils? They seemed to have a lot of control over that. Think of the controls in Wii Sports boxing. Wii Boxing was pretty much button-mapped. This, however, does look like true 1:1 motion.

[QUOTE="Quofan"]Face it, you lot had made up your minds about Nintendo being the anti-christ a long time ago. No better than a bunch of fanboys defending a console to the death. Only difference is many of you seem determined to attack them to the death.Vandalvideo

Where were you when all the "Teh Wii is ruining gaming" threads were being posted on a daily basis?

I know you have been on these boards for a while Vandal, im sure you have seen all the bashing. Face it, Nintendo cannot win no matter what they do. They took the hardcore approach last gen, it got them nowhere. The GC was derided as being pretty pathetic at the time. Suddenly, now that they decided to make a console more like the PS2, the GC was apparently a success for the hardcore.

Is it just me or is there some major hypocracy here? Be careful what you wish for.....you just might get it.....

To sum it up: "We've selled out to where the money is at - casual gamers. Don't worry core gamers, we haven't forgotten about you, we just want to tuck you away in a dark place where no one else can see you."Kritical_Strike

You make it sound as if they're trying to address the gamers with their conference. This was a press conference, not a fan conference.

I guess that makes sense; it goes along with what we've been saying for a while.

Nintendo's top priority in E3 (which, mind you, is now the "business summit") was to show that they have games that'll sell millions and expand the audience (one of their goals since the Wii's release). From that perspective, Nintendo's conference was great.

Can't say I'm not disappointed, but as far as business goes, Nintendo knocked 'em out.

[QUOTE="shadyd1717"]

[QUOTE="SSCyborg"]Who do they think is going to be watching? The casuals? :lol:bobbetybob

This. Gamers watch E3, not aunt Sally and her nephew Billy.

Who do you think watches it in the crowd? YOU? Other "Hardcorez"? No, the press, not see the topic about Nintendo being on all the news sites? Do you not understand that Nintendo is utilising a convenience, that's what E3 is a way for them to show off upcoming games that will excited the press. Not to show off big games just to try and "WIN TEH E3!!!!"

Big games excite everybody:|

Posting this quote was useless. The people who are bashing Nintendo for their so called abandonment of their core audience have already made up their minds. This is made apparent by the fact that they completely ignored what Miyamoto said and instead chose to continue bashing Nintendo's silly casual conference. Nintendo may be in love with their new casual audience at the moment, but that doesn't mean they want to lose core players.

Just because games core players enjoy (Metroid, Mario, Zelda, SSB, etc.)are in the past, doesn't mean there won't be more like them in the future. Hell, we already know a new Zelda and apparently a new Mario is in the works. So stop acting like E3 is the be all end all.

Why do people omit to mention all the videogame sites and mags when talking about "the press"? Aren't they the ones who will be doing the most reporting?

The press itself at E3 is vastly made up of hardcore gamers.
DireToad

If they had just added 5 or 10 minutes of hardcore service at the end, the hardcore would have forgiven them and they KNOW IT.

We don't ask for much. just simple cooperation. they've been doing this long enough to know what we expect.

I think he meant "Nintendo" instead of "E3".Junior_AIN

[QUOTE="sonicmj1"][QUOTE="Zhengi"] There you go. The mainstream press like Times Magazine, New York Times, MSN, etc. are there reporting E3 and casuals will read these publications and learn all about Nintendo's casual games. This leads to profit.

MS did it with their conference. Sony tried to appeal to casuals with LBP.

Like I said so many times before, this is not the E3 you knew.

IronBass

Clearly, they're doing a great job impressing the New York Times, inspiring glowing headlines like, "Nintendo and Sony Underwhelm at E3".

Wait a minute...

Yeah, 'cause the Times always write good articles about gaming. Remember the one that said that SSBB sales were a failure?

So if the Times can't write good articles about gaming, why is Nintendo trying to impress them, if it's doomed to fail regardless?

We were hearing the same excuses from sheep last year, after Nintendo's disappointing "Wii Fit" conference. "It wasn't for you!" they said. "It's for the press!" But if even the mainstream press isn't impressed, then how is it a victory? And if Nintendo has secretly squirrelled away all the game announcements for core gamers, to bring them out elsewhere, then how come the only announcements we've gotten since then that are remotely core-centric are Wario Land and Animal Crossing?

I would believe this sort of thing if Nintendo had proven elsewhere that they were showing core games, but that simply hasn't been the case.

It's the best way to recover from a crappy conference, but then, he just told us all of Ninty's conferences will be bs like this one :| WAIW

E3 is not for you. E3 is not for you. E3 is not for you. x34

this is crap! they know how loyal there fanbase is, so throw them a freaking bone. will it kill them to announce the games people are waiting for? they can cater to both the hardcore and casual, unless there is some kind of time limit for each conferense, and I don't think there is, is there?

nintendo knows that the hardcore loyal nintendo fans will be watching, so why ignore them. make everyone happy, not just the casual.

[QUOTE="Kritical_Strike"]To sum it up: "We've selled out to where the money is at - casual gamers. Don't worry core gamers, we haven't forgotten about you, we just want to tuck you away in a dark place where no one else can see you."Tylendal

You make it sound as if they're trying to address the gamers with their conference. This was a press conference, not a fan conference.

That has became quite difficult to understand around here.

[QUOTE="bobbetybob"][QUOTE="shadyd1717"]

[QUOTE="SSCyborg"]Who do they think is going to be watching? The casuals? :lol:shadyd1717

This. Gamers watch E3, not aunt Sally and her nephew Billy.

Who do you think watches it in the crowd? YOU? Other "Hardcorez"? No, the press, not see the topic about Nintendo being on all the news sites? Do you not understand that Nintendo is utilising a convenience, that's what E3 is a way for them to show off upcoming games that will excited the press. Not to show off big games just to try and "WIN TEH E3!!!!"

Big games excite everybody:|

Trust me, games like Psychonauts, No More Heroes, DK Jungle Beat, and Beyond Good & Evil, don't excite the people trying to sell them.

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="sonicmj1"][QUOTE="Zhengi"] There you go. The mainstream press like Times Magazine, New York Times, MSN, etc. are there reporting E3 and casuals will read these publications and learn all about Nintendo's casual games. This leads to profit.

MS did it with their conference. Sony tried to appeal to casuals with LBP.

Like I said so many times before, this is not the E3 you knew.

sonicmj1

Clearly, they're doing a great job impressing the New York Times, inspiring glowing headlines like, "Nintendo and Sony Underwhelm at E3".

Wait a minute...

Yeah, 'cause the Times always write good articles about gaming. Remember the one that said that SSBB sales were a failure?

So if the Times can't write good articles about gaming, why is Nintendo trying to impress them, if it's doomed to fail regardless?

We were hearing the same excuses from sheep last year, after Nintendo's disappointing "Wii Fit" conference. "It wasn't for you!" they said. "It's for the press!" But if even the mainstream press isn't impressed, then how is it a victory? And if Nintendo has secretly squirrelled away all the game announcements for core gamers, to bring them out elsewhere, then how come the only announcements we've gotten since then that are remotely core-centric are Wario Land and Animal Crossing?

I would believe this sort of thing if Nintendo had proven elsewhere that they were showing core games, but that simply hasn't been the case.

And... and what happen to Pikmin 3 (confirmed), Mad World, Tales of Simphonia, The Conduit, DeBBlob, and all the games we already know (there's an entire post about them)? Were they cancelled due the conference? And with No More Heroes, SSBB and Mario Kart, that came despite WiiFit? Did the conference stop them for coming out?

[QUOTE="Tylendal"]

[QUOTE="Kritical_Strike"]To sum it up: "We've selled out to where the money is at - casual gamers. Don't worry core gamers, we haven't forgotten about you, we just want to tuck you away in a dark place where no one else can see you."IronBass

You make it sound as if they're trying to address the gamers with their conference. This was a press conference, not a fan conference.

That has became quite difficult to understand around here.

If even a single person here said they don't miss what E3 used to be, they'd be lying. Everyone is understandably stuck in the past about E3.

Well miyamoto just owned all the haters and doubters.

He aknowledged that thecore gamers werent the focus of the conference.

Why blame Nintendo for the state of video games when you have a network like G4.headninjadog

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="Tylendal"]

[QUOTE="Kritical_Strike"]To sum it up: "We've selled out to where the money is at - casual gamers. Don't worry core gamers, we haven't forgotten about you, we just want to tuck you away in a dark place where no one else can see you."Tylendal

You make it sound as if they're trying to address the gamers with their conference. This was a press conference, not a fan conference.

That has became quite difficult to understand around here.

If even a single person here said they don't miss what E3 used to be, they'd be lying. Everyone is understandably stuck in the past about E3.

But what I don't understand, what change with conference? There's an entire topic with Wii games that are to come out, they are still coming, just because Ninty didn't show them doesn't mean they were cancelled. So, despite the conference, we will becoming games, so where's the problem?

Translation:

We, at Nintendo, had nothing good to show anyone this year, so we're making excuses.

Translation:

We, at Nintendo, had nothing good to show anyone this year, so we're making excuses.

Netherscourge

Who do they think is going to be watching? The casuals? :lol:SSCyborg

omg. why don't people get this?

it is the news stations that casuals pay attention to that attend E3 now. Which is why my local news actually had around 2-4 minutes dedicated to E3 yesterday and all tehy talked about was Wii Music.

Translation:

We, at Nintendo, had nothing good to show anyone this year, so we're making excuses.

Netherscourge

well they do have Pikmin, Zelda and a host of third party games to show off.

Translation:

We, at Nintendo, had nothing good to show anyone this year, so we're making excuses.

Netherscourge

[QUOTE="sonicmj1"][So if the Times can't write good articles about gaming, why is Nintendo trying to impress them, if it's doomed to fail regardless?

We were hearing the same excuses from sheep last year, after Nintendo's disappointing "Wii Fit" conference. "It wasn't for you!" they said. "It's for the press!" But if even the mainstream press isn't impressed, then how is it a victory? And if Nintendo has secretly squirrelled away all the game announcements for core gamers, to bring them out elsewhere, then how come the only announcements we've gotten since then that are remotely core-centric are Wario Land and Animal Crossing?

I would believe this sort of thing if Nintendo had proven elsewhere that they were showing core games, but that simply hasn't been the case.

IronBass

And... and what happen to Pikmin 3 (confirmed), Mad World, Tales of Simphonia, The Conduit, DeBBlob, and all the games we already know (there's an entire post about them)? Were they cancelled due the conference? And with No More Heroes, SSBB and Mario Kart, that came despite WiiFit? Did the conference stop them for coming out?

Pikmin 3 is a name, with no release date or information around it. It might not come until 2010, for all we know.

The upcoming games come from third parties, not Nintendo. These games, which might impress hardcore gamers if they could see a little footage, got absolutely no coverage at the conference. I wouldn't be surprised if they go on to do poorly at retail, thanks to publishers that have little faith in the platform, and a first party that would rather pretend that games like that don't even exist. Consider the poor performance of No More Heroes. Is that a game that cannot sell? Or is it a game that won't sell unless someone gives it a push? Nintendo didn't do that, because they don't care about encouraging those kinds of games on the Wii. Interesting how they're supposedly publishing Fatal Frame 4, but there wasn't a peep about it anywhere at E3.

Brawl was announced before the Wii's launch, and Mario Kart was the sole remotely core title at E3 07. It's the equivalent of Animal Crossing at this conference, and it's not enough on its own to fill the huge void in Nintendo's first party lineup, which was chock-full of core games until the console actually released.

Nintendo has barely announced anything new for the core, and they've done extremely little to encourage third party developers of any kind, especially those who seek to appeal to that market.

Why do people omit to mention all the videogame sites and mags when talking about "the press"? Aren't they the ones who will be doing the most reporting?

The press itself at E3 is vastly made up of hardcore gamers.
DireToad

I think they are clearly talking about mainstreem press. the game sites might do the most reporting but the mainstream media like network news and radio connect with more ppl.

But what I don't understand, what change with conference? There's an entire topic with Wii games that are to come out, they are still coming, just because Ninty didn't show them doesn't mean they were cancelled. So, despite the conference, we will becoming games, so where's the problem?

IronBass

People expect to see them at the actual press conference. It used to be when the companies would try to impress everyone, and steal the show. They want it to still be like that.

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="sonicmj1"][So if the Times can't write good articles about gaming, why is Nintendo trying to impress them, if it's doomed to fail regardless?

We were hearing the same excuses from sheep last year, after Nintendo's disappointing "Wii Fit" conference. "It wasn't for you!" they said. "It's for the press!" But if even the mainstream press isn't impressed, then how is it a victory? And if Nintendo has secretly squirrelled away all the game announcements for core gamers, to bring them out elsewhere, then how come the only announcements we've gotten since then that are remotely core-centric are Wario Land and Animal Crossing?

I would believe this sort of thing if Nintendo had proven elsewhere that they were showing core games, but that simply hasn't been the case.

sonicmj1

And... and what happen to Pikmin 3 (confirmed), Mad World, Tales of Simphonia, The Conduit, DeBBlob, and all the games we already know (there's an entire post about them)? Were they cancelled due the conference? And with No More Heroes, SSBB and Mario Kart, that came despite WiiFit? Did the conference stop them for coming out?

Pikmin 3 is a name, with no release date or information around it. It might not come until 2010, for all we know.

The upcoming games come from third parties, not Nintendo. These games, which might impress hardcore gamers if they could see a little footage, got absolutely no coverage at the conference. I wouldn't be surprised if they go on to do poorly at retail, thanks to publishers that have little faith in the platform, and a first party that would rather pretend that games like that don't even exist. Consider the poor performance of No More Heroes. Is that a game that cannot sell? Or is it a game that won't sell unless someone gives it a push? Nintendo didn't do that, because they don't care about encouraging those kinds of games on the Wii. Interesting how they're supposedly publishing Fatal Frame 4, but there wasn't a peep about it anywhere at E3.

Brawl was announced before the Wii's launch, and Mario Kart was the sole remotely core title at E3 07. It's the equivalent of Animal Crossing at this conference, and it's not enough on its own to fill the huge void in Nintendo's first party lineup, which was chock-full of core games until the console actually released.

Nintendo has barely announced anything new for the core, and they've done extremely little to encourage third party developers of any kind, especially those who seek to appeal to that market.

I must say that sheep are being extremely forgiving to Nintendo. They sure like their Zelda.

Why blame Nintendo for the state of video games when you have a network like G4.headninjadog

Who do they think is going to be watching? The casuals? :lol:SSCyborg

No, the casual press will.

So in other words " expect all of our E3 press conferences to be the same as 07 and 08 "

So after that statement Wii owners shouldn't even mention Nintendo during the next E3.

So in other words " expect all of or E3 press conferences to be the same like 07 and 08 "

So after that statement Wii owners shouldn't even mention Nintendo during the next E3.

sakura_Ex

The hardcore crying should do 2 things: 1- Read the second and the third articles in my sig. 2- Cry a bit more.MagnuzGuerra

[QUOTE="MagnuzGuerra"]The hardcore crying should do 2 things: 1- Read the second and the third articles in my sig. 2- Cry a bit more.DireToad

Did you really miss the point of this topic saying they didnt reveal games cause they will somewhere else?air_wolf_cubed

No. I'm just saying that's a lie.

Nintendo said the exact same thing last year, and all we got was Wario Land between last E3 and this one. What makes you think that this time, things will be so different?

[QUOTE="sakura_Ex"]

So in other words " expect all of or E3 press conferences to be the same like 07 and 08 "

So after that statement Wii owners shouldn't even mention Nintendo during the next E3.

air_wolf_cubed

Well.... all I'm saying is that Wii owners can stop with the whole Nintendo will win E3 threads for next year and beyond.

Shut your face Miyamoto. Just shut up. Go sell more games to grandma and stop trying to pretend you care about real games anymore. When I saw him unveil Wiifit and now the even stupider Wii Music I wanted to punch him in the face. He is genius no more. His mario days are over. He should retire and just stop making games. The industry can revere him but be better off without him.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Quofan"]Face it, you lot had made up your minds about Nintendo being the anti-christ a long time ago. No better than a bunch of fanboys defending a console to the death. Only difference is many of you seem determined to attack them to the death.Quofan

Where were you when all the "Teh Wii is ruining gaming" threads were being posted on a daily basis?

I know you have been on these boards for a while Vandal, im sure you have seen all the bashing. Face it, Nintendo cannot win no matter what they do. They took the hardcore approach last gen, it got them nowhere. The GC was derided as being pretty pathetic at the time. Suddenly, now that they decided to make a console more like the PS2, the GC was apparently a success for the hardcore.

Is it just me or is there some major hypocracy here? Be careful what you wish for.....you just might get it.....

No, the Gamecube failed becuase

1) It used Mini disks so developers had even less space to work with.

2) No online

3) No CD/DVD play back was a nasty blow considering both the PS2 and Xbox 360 had it.

4) Another weird controler, and it had less buttons.

5) Lack of thrid party support which resulted from 1,2, and 4.

6) Lack of mature (and by mature I mean games that are meant for an older audience) games. Geist and Resident Evil, yep. That where it ended.

I guess Sony and Microsoft didn't get Nintendo's memo about E3. Cause...they showed core games.

[QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"]Did you really miss the point of this topic saying they didnt reveal games cause they will somewhere else?sonicmj1

No. I'm just saying that's a lie.

Nintendo said the exact same thing last year, and all we got was Wario Land between last E3 and this one. What makes you think that this time, things will be so different?

Shut your face Miyamoto. Just shut up. Go sell more games to grandma and stop trying to pretend you care about real games anymore. Bread_or_Decide

[QUOTE="sonicmj1"]

[QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"]Did you really miss the point of this topic saying they didnt reveal games cause they will somewhere else?air_wolf_cubed

No. I'm just saying that's a lie.

Nintendo said the exact same thing last year, and all we got was Wario Land between last E3 and this one. What makes you think that this time, things will be so different?

As I said, they tried to pull this on us last E3, and it simply wasn't true. Why is this time so different? You think I don't remember the Gamecube, and its massive game droughts?

I'm only willing to be fooled so many times.

[QUOTE="bobbetybob"][QUOTE="shadyd1717"]

[QUOTE="SSCyborg"]Who do they think is going to be watching? The casuals? :lol:shadyd1717

This. Gamers watch E3, not aunt Sally and her nephew Billy.

Who do you think watches it in the crowd? YOU? Other "Hardcorez"? No, the press, not see the topic about Nintendo being on all the news sites? Do you not understand that Nintendo is utilising a convenience, that's what E3 is a way for them to show off upcoming games that will excited the press. Not to show off big games just to try and "WIN TEH E3!!!!"

Big games excite everybody:|

"Today Nintendo, makers of the Wii console, announced a new add on for the console which follows your hand movements exactly on screen, this was demoed with a new Wii Sports game, also on show was a Wii music game which features over 50 instruments, and a new game in the Animal Crossing series, a virtual life game similar to the Sims."

Or

"Microsoft Sony and Nintendo have all appeared this week at the E3 exhibition in Los Angeles, each giant has announced numerous new games for their gaming consoles, Microsoft showed off the next in the popular Japanese game Final Fantasy, Sony showed off big hit game God of War 3 and Nintendo displayed a new game in the Zelda series."

You know that's what would've happened if all Nintendo hadannounced just a game like that.Just face it that what he said is true, E3 is business now, and it's good business to get news outlets excited and have them say news purely about a games console which is popular. It'd be like if there was an music convention and all Apple showed off was the i-Pod, Sony could show off the best MP3 player the world has ever seen and you can guarantee that the i-Pod would still get more press.