Miyamoto: New Zelda won't be radically different

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#101 skrat_01
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Hurm. When is Miyamoto going to advance the design a bit?.... Its a bit of a pity, you can only hang onto such close ties for so long, in terms of design...
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#102 gmc2u_64
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Hurm. When is Miyamoto going to advance the design a bit?.... Its a bit of a pity, you can only hang onto such close ties for so long, in terms of design...skrat_01
What do you mean by 'Advance"?

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#103 princeofshapeir
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I am so sick of the QQ that Zelda doesn't change its formula. It's mostly the whiny Sheep who want TEH INNOVASHUN in all games now that turn on games that aren't completely new. If a game formula ain't broken, it doesn't need fixing. The Zelda games have a timeless formula that will never get old. You don't need to change that. "BUH BUH TP DIDNT ADD ANYTHING NEW" First of all, yeah it did, with horseback combat. And second, WHO THE HELL CARES if a game doesn't do something new?! If the game is fun and extremely entertaining, INNOVASHUN shouldn't matter!
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#104 princeofshapeir
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[QUOTE="gmc2u_64"]What is with you with this "Fan Service" bit? Is any game that follows the original gameplay of the original game "Fan Service"?

To answer your question: Yes, I want another "Copy-Paste" (hate that term) Zelda made merely of "Fan Service".

Here's a question for you: Do you HONESTLY have a problem with the Fact that quite a few people are disapointed with one of your favorite games?

foxhound_fox


Fan service is when a lot of a game is made exactly like one of its predecessors with little to no changes and is often done merely to please fans. A lot of what was in TP was fan service. There was some new stuff and it was a fun game, but it was very derivative of Ocarina.

I have a problem with people who bash a game merely because its not what they expected, and not just enjoying it for what its worth.

I don't give a flying crap about "fan service" or of it being similar to OoT. Twilight Princess was just an amazing, huge, and breathtaking game and I believe it was the best Zelda game EVER.

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#105 skrat_01
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[QUOTE="skrat_01"]Hurm. When is Miyamoto going to advance the design a bit?.... Its a bit of a pity, you can only hang onto such close ties for so long, in terms of design...gmc2u_64

What do you mean by 'Advance"?

Push it beyond the design ideals that the series has stuck to for over a decade. Twilight Princess for example. Of course I am not saying to create something that is foreign, however I do think things could be changed.
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#106 gmc2u_64
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I am so sick of the QQ that Zelda doesn't change its formula. It's mostly the whiny Sheep who want TEH INNOVASHUN in all games now that turn on games that aren't completely new. If a game formula ain't broken, it doesn't need fixing. The Zelda games have a timeless formula that will never get old. You don't need to change that. "BUH BUH TP DIDNT ADD ANYTHING NEW" First of all, yeah it did, with horseback combat. And second, WHO THE HELL CARES if a game doesn't do something new?! If the game is fun and extremely entertaining, INNOVASHUN shouldn't matter! princeofshapeir
Man, if only Rare knew that the Banjo-Kazooie Formula DIDN'T NEED to be "Fixed" (Replacing Platforming for Vehicles)...

Here's hoping that Rare makes a Banjo-Kazooie 3 (Platformer) next time...

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#107 shutdown_202
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hahaha people really are funny. Does anyone remember when the artwork was released and rumours started circling that you use the girl as the master sword, most people hated it here. Qutes such as "just give me the ol sword and shield" and "if it hasnt got a sword in it then its not a zelda game" What happened there guys?

Anyway does anyone have the actual question he was asked? You left out one important word from the quate and that is THAT, he said it wont be THAT radically different. To me, that hints that he probably said it would be different, the person asking the question probably gave and estimate which led him to say it wont be THAT radically different.

You also have to look at the word radical. its a big word. I mean really big, pretty much turning something upside down. Zelda needs a change yes, but not a radical change which people would hate, just look at the example above with a small change.

The thing about me is the Zelda forumla does not really need to be tempered with much, however Zelda needs to come into the 21st Century. By that i mean things such as FULL VOICE CASE (including Link, no more silent BS), FULLY ORCHESTRATED SOUNDTRACK and A HIGH LEVEL STORY. Those are the kind of things it needs and a few touches in the gameplay area.

Theres 2 things that scare me. The first being if Zelda Wii is an On-Rails game of some sort. I have absoloutely nothing to go on about this but its in my heart, and it scared the crap out of me. The next is if Gannondorf returns as the main villain in classic Zelda style. He can appear in the game in some form but in a traditional sense? please no.

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#108 sonicthemegaman
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I think hardcore gamers should be happy they finally got what they wanted from Nintendo: more of the same.

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Copy Pasted games with tacked on motion controls are the new "innovation". But, seriously, this is just more reason to sell my Wii.
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#109 HarlockJC
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good to hear
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#110 Rob-Belmont
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This IS Nintendo we're talking about, was anyone really expecting it to be radically different.

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#111 surrealnumber5
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[QUOTE="Silverbond"]

I think hardcore gamers should be happy they finally got what they wanted from Nintendo: more of the same.

sonicthemegaman
Copy Pasted games with tacked on motion controls are the new "innovation". But, seriously, this is just more reason to sell my Wii.

buy sell its all the same :/
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#112 Gxgear
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When a FPS stick with the formula it's a "generic boring shooter", but when Zelda sticks with the same recipe people accept it unquestionably...

My head hurts.

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#113 surrealnumber5
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When a FPS stick with the formula it's a "generic boring shooter", but when Zelda sticks with the same recipe people accept it unquestionably...

My head hurts.

Gxgear
a zelda game does not come out every month, it should not be that hard to grasp.......
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#114 bobbetybob
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Radical is a strong word, just because it's not radically different doesn't mean it won't be different, radical is like making it into an FPS, or putting in blood and gore.
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#115 shutdown_202
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Radical is a strong word, just because it's not radically different doesn't mean it won't be different, radical is like making it into an FPS, or putting in blood and gore.bobbetybob

+ the fact that he said it wont be THAT radical implies that it will actually have changes. Funny how one word changes everything.

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#116 HarlockJC
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Radical is a strong word, just because it's not radically different doesn't mean it won't be different, radical is like making it into an FPS, or putting in blood and gore.bobbetybob
Here a question would the changes from OofT to Windwaker be called radically different?
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#117 osan0
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Radical is a strong word, just because it's not radically different doesn't mean it won't be different, radical is like making it into an FPS, or putting in blood and gore.bobbetybob
beat me to it. hes not saying its going to be more of the same...hes just saying that it wont be radically different. that still leaves room for "its going to be different from previous zeldas" or "its going to be a little bit different from previous zeldas". i do hope its not more of the same though.....i dont want it to change into another genre but i do want to see some new and kewl ideas..especially ones that would make alot of sense when using the wiimote and nunchuck. i hope it does get shaken up a bit.
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#118 osan0
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[QUOTE="bobbetybob"]Radical is a strong word, just because it's not radically different doesn't mean it won't be different, radical is like making it into an FPS, or putting in blood and gore.HarlockJC
Here a question would the changes from OofT to Windwaker be called radically different?

imho no it wouldnt. the art style was a bit radical perhaps (though i dont think WW was the first game to use cell shading) but the game is just a more polished version of OOT really. there was nothing really radical about it.
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#119 warmaster670
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Why is anyone surprised? from OOT to TP the game stayed almost identical, which is a shame since OOTs controls are absolute crap.

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#120 Max750
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too bad
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#121 Gxgear
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[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

When a FPS stick with the formula it's a "generic boring shooter", but when Zelda sticks with the same recipe people accept it unquestionably...

My head hurts.

surrealnumber5

a zelda game does not come out every month, it should not be that hard to grasp.......

FPSs comes out every month?

Zelda's been playing the same tune for decades. It's just interesting to see Nintendo fans' total acceptance towards ancient gaming series.

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#122 HarlockJC
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Why is anyone surprised? from OOT to TP the game stayed almost identical, which is a shame since OOTs controls are absolute crap.

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Yes because windwaker and OOT were just alike
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#123 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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FPSs comes out every month?Gxgear

More or less.

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#124 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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Yes because windwaker and OOT were just alikeHarlockJC
Or Majora's Mask (which was criticized for "being too different").
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#125 Shielder7
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[QUOTE="Shielder7"]

[QUOTE="AmayaPapaya"]

You do know Zelda is famous for being NON-LINEAR. When did i say Peter Pan was first...All i said was Links cloths define him. You never see anyone else wearing some thing similar.

AmayaPapaya

DO YOU KNOW WHAT PETER PAN LOOKS LIKE???"?!!!!!

peter pan Pictures, Images and Photos

Link Pictures, Images and Photos

He doesnt look like peter pan.

Um Yeah Yeah he does lets see.

Both have Green Tights

Both have the Same Green Night Cap

Both Walk around with a Fairy

Both Grew up in the woods (Ie Tree House)

Are you truly so blinded by your Fanboy-ism you can not see the similarities?

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#126 HarlockJC
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Um Yeah Yeah he does lets see.

Both have Green Tights

Both have the Same Green Night Cap

Both Walk around with a Fairy

Both Grew up in the woods (Ie Tree House)

Are you truly so blinded by your Fanboy-ism you can not see the similarities?

Shielder7

To be fair all stories of eleves own their roots to Peter Pan. Even JJR Token got the ideas for the eleves of Lord of the Rings from Peter Pan. Also Links original story was not focused around him living in a Tree House and walking around with Fairy. Though Fairies did play a key role in the first games.

You are right about people need not to be blinded to the common similarities between the designs. Everything out now gets it's roots from something. PeterPan is about 150 years old now, to have it worked into a number of stories is not a huge surprise. When many of us watched the movies also has a child.

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#127 Cyberfairy
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These news actually make me happy. I love the Zelda games just the way they are.

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#128 STRETCH-E
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I wonder in what dungeon you'll get the hook shot in this one!

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#129 fabz_95
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Radically different? Let's hope it's pretty different then :wink:

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#130 chocolate1325
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I didn't want it to be radically different just different where it feels fresh but still making it feel like a Zelda game. Nintendo did it with Mario I am sure they can do it with Zelda.

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#131 shutdown_202
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I wonder in what dungeon you'll get the hook shot in this one!

STRETCH-E

The Water Temple. Its always been the Water Temple.

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#132 sonicthemegaman
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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"][QUOTE="Silverbond"]

I think hardcore gamers should be happy they finally got what they wanted from Nintendo: more of the same.

Copy Pasted games with tacked on motion controls are the new "innovation". But, seriously, this is just more reason to sell my Wii.

buy sell its all the same :/

Buy=Sell ?
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#133 Dibdibdobdobo
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Why change greatness?!
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#134 surrealnumber5
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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="Gxgear"]

When a FPS stick with the formula it's a "generic boring shooter", but when Zelda sticks with the same recipe people accept it unquestionably...

My head hurts.

Gxgear

a zelda game does not come out every month, it should not be that hard to grasp.......

FPSs comes out every month?

Zelda's been playing the same tune for decades. It's just interesting to see Nintendo fans' total acceptance towards ancient gaming series.

been playing the same for 20 or more years? the act of playing on the NES changed 2 time, then the snes one also was not the same, from the 64 on one could argue it has played the same, even if it got a new coat of paint every time but for MM(64) even still thats a total of 4 games in 11 years. we are getting three of the same COD games in less then three years.....
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#135 Junior_AIN
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They never are, the only hope was their previous promise. After Brawl, I'm not surprised with anything coming from Nintendo. Maybe we'll even have the opportunity to play with the gamecube controller, who knows.
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#136 KONEBOX
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They should make the game different. Twilight Princess wasn't exactly a huge hit (expect for the Zelda fans), if they take the game to a whole new level they can get more gamers to enjoy it.
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#137 kansasdude2009
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So it went from being a Zelda game people won't recognize, to not much different? How Nintendo of them.

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how is that "Nintendo" of them? Few franchises stray from a formula. Motion+, voice acting, and orchestrated music is all i'm asking for. The Zelda "formula" is fantastic imo.

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#138 mayforcebeyou
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it's not so bad if it is not different because in twilight princess nintendo tried different stuff with the wolf twilight realm part whci his the worst part of the game. The best parts of Twilight Princess are the parts that stay close to the other games.
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#139 Hungry_Jello
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Good. I dont want a radically different zelda.

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#140 KungfuKitten
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Ok, fine. But i do want my magic system sometime! ;)
Or, ok, the difficulty? I mean, with the new autocontrolled player system?
..
Or more mystery...?
More interaction with people and sidequests that get You sweet things?
...
More transformation?
Good n evil? Flying?
Anything?
....
Otherwise i will come to scratch Your discs...

:oops:

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#141 gmc2u_64
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I'm REALLY glad that Rare's Nuts & Bolts (Banjo-Kazooie 3) isn't influencing any Developers...YET.

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#142 Lethalhazard
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I'm REALLY glad that Rare's Nuts & Bolts (Banjo-Kazooie 3) isn't influencing any Developers...YET.

gmc2u_64
It sold awfully and wasn't well received, so that probably won't happen.
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#143 BuryMe
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I don't know how to feel about that. It's a bummer that itll be similar to what we've already seen, but then again, the last reports i'd heard said it would be simpler to appeal o more people. So maybe it's the lesser of 2 evils

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#144 gmc2u_64
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[QUOTE="gmc2u_64"]

I'm REALLY glad that Rare's Nuts & Bolts (Banjo-Kazooie 3) isn't influencing any Developers...YET.

Lethalhazard

It sold awfully and wasn't well received, so that probably won't happen.

Great News! I hope that Rare gets the message (We WANT a Banjo-Kazooie 3 Platformer!).

Seriously though, it's REALLY great that Nuts & Bolts hasn't influenced a Perfect Dark Platformer (with NO shooting) or something.

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#145 BoloTheGreat
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And thus continues the age old tradition of Nintendo basically making the same game over and over again :) Seriously guys, shake it up a little bit!
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#146 gmc2u_64
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And thus continues the age old tradition of Nintendo basically making the same game over and over again :) Seriously guys, shake it up a little bit! BoloTheGreat
After what Rare did to Banjo-kazooie 3 (Nuts & Bolts), I'm REALLY glad that the next Zelda WON'T be radically different.

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#147 JuarN18
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If you are tired of the zelda formula why don't you just stop playing the games :?

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#148 kingkui
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Wow, people complaining OF THE SAME!? This gen is full of the same. Zelda is one of the few games out there that could remain the same and still be great. Before you complain about games being the same, stop playing Halo/Killzone/CoD.

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#149 HGAT
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I dunno why Sony and Microsoft fans are hating on Zelda for being the same old,with boring ''let's hide behind a wall, soa guard can't see me''Metal Gear Solid and ''let's blast millions ofaliens to death''Halo sitting in their game libaries.

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#150 DanteSuikoden
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Good

I don't want them to ruin the game because of fickle fans who probably wouldn't like the changes anyway