MLB 09: The Show 9.0 AAA - Gamespot Review Discussion

[QUOTE="Brainkiller05"]Anyways, you guys are missing the point, at the end of the day PS3 has an AAA game which 360 doesn't have... whether it's exclusive or not doesn't make it a better game and doesn't make it any more important.Soulja_West

[QUOTE="Nagidar"]

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"] lol ignoring points made is one way to go about this lol.Eddie-Vedder

It doesn't matter what GEN system a game is on, if the game ITSELF, is the same, IE., same controls, same game modes and same Gameplay, how the hell can you say its a COMPLETELY different game?

Yes, they mentioned buggy AI, buggy colision detection and no halo around the ball, again, its the SAME game, point me to anything that says the 2 games are COMPLETELY different from eachother. They both have the exact same gameplay, the same game modes and the same controls, where do you see them being COMPLETELY, different?

You're dodging my questions because you can't answer them, someone on here who HAS played both versions even said aside from the visuals and bugginess of the PS2 version, they are almost identical.

Cause it's not the same. Otherwise it wouldn't have scored so low, IGN mentions more diferences then graphics, go read the review.Eddie-Vedder

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]Cause it's not the same. Otherwise it wouldn't have scored so low, IGN mentions more diferences then graphics, go read the review.foxhound_fox

That would mean BOTH the 360 and PC versions are exclusive.

It can't be normal to actually get frustrated over this. I'm leaving.

That would mean BOTH the 360 and PC versions are exclusive.Nagidar

[QUOTE="Soulja_West"][QUOTE="Brainkiller05"]Anyways, you guys are missing the point, at the end of the day PS3 has an AAA game which 360 doesn't have... whether it's exclusive or not doesn't make it a better game and doesn't make it any more important.The_Game21x

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]Cause it's not the same. Otherwise it wouldn't have scored so low, IGN mentions more diferences then graphics, go read the review.foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="Soulja_West"] I need to frame this.Soulja_West

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]Cause it's not the same. Otherwise it wouldn't have scored so low, IGN mentions more diferences then graphics, go read the review.Eddie-Vedder

The score does not determine if a game is exclusive or not, if there are multiple versions of a game, that have the same features, same gameplay, same controls, than its the same game, if one of them scores higher than the other, its because the one that scored lower was a ****** version of that game.

EDIT: I see you're dodging my questions, that tells me all I need to know, thank you. ;)

[QUOTE="Soulja_West"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"] And, to be fair, the Xbox 360 has a lot of AAA and AA games that aren't on the PS3 that aren't considered exclusive by this forum's logic, so why is MLB: The Show any different?The_Game21x

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]
Then I guess the PC version of Mass Effect is exclusive as well.

Nagidar

The score does not determine if a game is exclusive or not, if there are multiple versions of a game, that have the same features, same gameplay, same controls, than its the same game, if one of them scores higher than the other, its because the one that scored lower was a ****** version of that game.

[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"][QUOTE="Nagidar"]

Those ar VISUAL differences, the gameplay ITSELF, is the same, same controls, same modes same core gameplay.

Nagidar

WTF? Again, if graphics were the case here, NGS would be PS3 exclusive AND it has more content thrown into it, yet it is NOT considered exclusive, how hard is this? The GAME ITSELF is the SAME, one on the PS2, which is buggy as holy hell and one on the PS3, which isn't buggy, or as buggy and is the superior version of the SAME GAME.

I've seen this about 20 (maybe more) times already where someone says they are the same or "EXACTLY THE SAME" yet talk about the differences.

With sports games, these seemingly "slight" differences (some major like pitching mechanics) can and are the difference from year to year.

MLB: The Show 09'(PS2) is as much "the same game" to it's PS3 counter part as it is to MLB: The Show 08' (PS3)

Well that's my take on it from reading the review.... opinions will differ and I'm sure this issue wont be resolved any time soon. *shrug*

Totally because Mass effect came out on a last gen system and a current gen system and has about 2 full grade points diference in score at Metacritic.Eddie-Vedder

Ok, so after all this if lems want to say that it isn't exclusive because it isn't different enough then I guess there goes DR and GRAW, because you know what in GRAW for the PC, I betcha I get to play as Advanced American Solider while in Mexico battlesMexican terrorists in and around mexico city. Just like in the 360 version.

And I can play as Frank West in a shopping mall and kill dozens of zombies with a variety of tools, guns, and everyday items. Just like the 360 versions.

I've already argued and pointed out with multiple sources that the PS2 and PS3 versions play different because of all the things involved but if you care to ignore that or disregard that then its safe to say that you can lose the E in both GRAW and DR because they are on other platforms.

Because "they are same premise, ideas, gameplay functions, etc." that are included in their 360 counterparts.

So what'll be lems? AAAE for MLB or Lose the E in GRAW and DR?

Can't have it both ways.

Here's my botched attempt at creating a funny. :P

Ok, so after all this if lems want to say that it isn't exclusive because it isn't different enough then I guess there goes DR and GRAW, because you know what in GRAW for the PC, I betcha I get to play as Advanced American Solider while in Mexico battlesMexican terrorists in and around mexico city. Just like in the 360 version.

And I can play as Frank West in a shopping mall and kill dozens of zombies with a variety of tools, guns, and everyday items. Just like the 360 versions.

I've already argued and pointed out with multiple sources that the PS2 and PS3 versions play different because of all the things involved but if you care to ignore that or disregard that then its safe to say that you can lose the E in both GRAW and DR because they are on other platforms.

Because "they are same premise, ideas, gameplay functions, etc." that are included in their 360 counterparts.

So what'll be lems? AAAE for MLB or Lose the E in GRAW and DR?

Can't have it both ways.

[QUOTE="Nagidar"]

[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"] Oh so now it's only about the core gameplay and graphics don't matter, I see.FragTycoon

WTF? Again, if graphics were the case here, NGS would be PS3 exclusive AND it has more content thrown into it, yet it is NOT considered exclusive, how hard is this? The GAME ITSELF is the SAME, one on the PS2, which is buggy as holy hell and one on the PS3, which isn't buggy, or as buggy and is the superior version of the SAME GAME.

I've seen this about 20 (maybe more) times already where someone says they are the same or "EXACTLY THE SAME" yet talk about the differences.

With sports games, these seemingly "slight" differences (some major like pitching mechanics) can and are the difference from year to year.

MLB: The Show 09'(PS2) is as much "the same game" to it's PS3 counter part as it is to MLB: The Show 08' (PS3)

Well that's my take on it from reading the review.... opinions will differ and I'm sure this issue wont be resolved any time soon. *shrug*

[QUOTE="Nagidar"]

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"] Totally because Mass effect came out on a last gen system and a current gen system and has about 2 full grade points diference in score at Metacritic.

Eddie-Vedder

The score does not determine if a game is exclusive or not, if there are multiple versions of a game, that have the same features, same gameplay, same controls, than its the same game, if one of them scores higher than the other, its because the one that scored lower was a ****** version of that game.

As I said before, I haven't played the Wii version, but from what people are saying, it has the same core gameplay, except the Wii version is stripped of alot of features, IE., not as many enemies on screen, no camera, no jumping. Is that enough to warrant it being a different game? Maybe, I don't know.

The difference here is the PS2 version of MLB 09 has the same features as the PS3 version, except its buggy as hell and of course the difference in visuals. THAT, does not warrant it being called a completely different game.

I've already argued and pointed out with multiple sources that the PS2 and PS3 versions play different because of all the things involved but if you care to ignore that or disregard that then its safe to say that you can lose the E in both GRAW and DR because they are on other platforms.XturnalS

Fine, but then Dead Rising for example isn't exclusive either. That's the whole point. Lemmings said it was and most of us actually agreed! There weren't many cows or threads trying to disprove Dead Rising being exclusive, but now when it's the other way the rules change again.

Eddie-Vedder

People didn't argue that Dead Rising Wii and 360 were different because of the score (people were saying they were different even before the Wii version was reviewed), people were able to come up with enough reasons on why the game was different and how it actually effected the core gameplay, which in MLB 09 the show's case isn't being provided.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="Soulja_West"] PS3 have 2 AAAs this year, the 360 doesn't. No one said that the 360 didn't have alot of AAAs this year.Soulja_West

You're right, it is indeed another AAA title for the PS3. It's just not another Exclusive AAA title for the PS3. :wink:

That's all I'm saying.

That's exactly the point, most people aren't into baseball so they just think "It's still baseball". Anyone who is into sports games (I'm heavily invested in soccer games ) knows how major these diferences really are. The Pro Evolution franchise has changed SOOO little since the first game, yet those subtle changes every year, less fouls, easier free kicks, harder marking, c hanged the whole feel. Not to mention the PS3 and PS2 versions are not the same.Eddie-Vedder

So what'll be lems? AAAE for MLB or Lose the E in GRAW and DR?

Can't have it both ways.

XturnalS

Lems would gain so much more if MLB becomes a AAAE.

Ever heard of 360/PC multiplats?

[QUOTE="Nagidar"]

[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"] Oh so now it's only about the core gameplay and graphics don't matter, I see.FragTycoon

WTF? Again, if graphics were the case here, NGS would be PS3 exclusive AND it has more content thrown into it, yet it is NOT considered exclusive, how hard is this? The GAME ITSELF is the SAME, one on the PS2, which is buggy as holy hell and one on the PS3, which isn't buggy, or as buggy and is the superior version of the SAME GAME.

I've seen this about 20 (maybe more) times already where someone says they are the same or "EXACTLY THE SAME" yet talk about the differences.

With sports games, these seemingly "slight" differences (some major like pitching mechanics) can and are the difference from year to year.

MLB: The Show 09'(PS2) is as much "the same game" to it's PS3 counter part as it is to MLB: The Show 08' (PS3)

Well that's my take on it from reading the review.... opinions will differ and I'm sure this issue wont be resolved any time soon. *shrug*

The only difference control wise they mentioned in the IGN review was it was easier to pinch hit (I think) on the PS2 version, actually, they said it "seemed" easier, thats not enough to warrant it being called a completely different game, if the control schemes were completely different, or the gameplay was somehow different, then that WOULD be enough to be considered a different game.

Ok, so after all this if lems want to say that it isn't exclusive because it isn't different enough then I guess there goes DR and GRAW, because you know what in GRAW for the PC, I betcha I get to play as Advanced American Solider while in Mexico battlesMexican terrorists in and around mexico city. Just like in the 360 version.

And I can play as Frank West in a shopping mall and kill dozens of zombies with a variety of tools, guns, and everyday items. Just like the 360 versions.

I've already argued and pointed out with multiple sources that the PS2 and PS3 versions play different because of all the things involved but if you care to ignore that or disregard that then its safe to say that you can lose the E in both GRAW and DR because they are on other platforms.

Because "they are same premise, ideas, gameplay functions, etc." that are included in their 360 counterparts.

So what'll be lems? AAAE for MLB or Lose the E in GRAW and DR?

Can't have it both ways.

XturnalS

Quote:

"People didn't argue that Dead Rising Wii and 360 were different because of the score (people were saying they were different even before the Wii version was reviewed), people were able to come up with enough reasons on why the game was different and how it actually effected the core gameplay, which in MLB 09 the show's case isn't being provided."

PS2 78 Metacritic PS3 89 Metacritic. Proof provided.

Best baseball game on next gen consoles, and only on PS3.

Hitman533

Funny, I didn't know any next-gen consoles were even announced...

[QUOTE="Soulja_West"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"] What does that have to do with what I said? :? Stay on topic please. So, I ask again, why is MLB: The Show any different?The_Game21x

You're right, it is indeed another AAA title for the PS3. It's just not another Exclusive AAA title for the PS3. :wink:

That's all I'm saying.

Here's my botched attempt at creating a funny. :P

Stevo_the_gamer

LOL! I like it! make it a little smaller though ;)

I want to make one called Opinions for Dummies but I'm not on my comp with Photoshop :P

[QUOTE="XturnalS"] I've already argued and pointed out with multiple sources that the PS2 and PS3 versions play different because of all the things involved but if you care to ignore that or disregard that then its safe to say that you can lose the E in both GRAW and DR because they are on other platforms.foxhound_fox

The online, the presentation, the controls, and the technical issues are all taken into account and why it plays differently. And to answer your first question I thought MLB 08 should've been deemed an AAE. It was a great baseball game and it probably differed enough between the PS2 and PS3 versions to warrant that.

I do enjoy baseball and this is the pinnacle of baseball games. And how is the "core" gameplay different in the 360 then the Wii? I know its different but by going by the logic a lot of users on this board are using it isn't. Why?

Because it offers the same "story, plot, mechanics, ideas, setting, etc." as the 360 version. Tell me do you not play as Frank West inside a shopping mall killing zombies with everyday items and rescuing people and completing missions?

In GRAW are you not playing as a member of this elite team in Mexico doing battle with terrorists in and around the city of mexico?

Sounds the same if you ask me....

PS2 78 Metacritic PS3 89 Metacritic. Proof provided.Eddie-Vedder

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]Cause it's not the same. Otherwise it wouldn't have scored so low, IGN mentions more diferences then graphics, go read the review.foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="XturnalS"]

So what'll be lems? AAAE for MLB or Lose the E in GRAW and DR?

Can't have it both ways.

Silverbond

Lems would gain so much more if MLB becomes a AAAE.

Ever heard of 360/PC multiplats?

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="Soulja_West"] What i'm saying is the PS3 has been getting aaas lately. The PS3 is on a role and and MLB the show is just another AAA title for the PS3. Thats what I'm saying. Soulja_West

You're right, it is indeed another AAA title for the PS3. It's just not another Exclusive AAA title for the PS3. :wink:

That's all I'm saying.

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]PS2 78 Metacritic PS3 89 Metacritic. Proof provided.foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="Soulja_West"] What i'm saying is the PS3 has been getting aaas lately. The PS3 is on a role and and MLB the show is just another AAA title for the PS3. Thats what I'm saying. Soulja_West

You're right, it is indeed another AAA title for the PS3. It's just not another Exclusive AAA title for the PS3. :wink:

That's all I'm saying.

So you're admitting it's not exclusive?

[QUOTE="XturnalS"]

So what'll be lems? AAAE for MLB or Lose the E in GRAW and DR?

Can't have it both ways.

Lems would gain so much more if MLB becomes a AAAE.

Ever heard of 360/PC multiplats?

PS2 78 Metacritic PS3 89 Metacritic. Proof provided.

Eddie-Vedder

All that is doing is making me think that you dont know how the game is changed, and I don't understand why your using metacritic to proove that MLB the show 09 is a AAAE when its rated lower than a AAA.

[QUOTE="Soulja_West"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

You're right, it is indeed another AAA title for the PS3. It's just not another Exclusive AAA title for the PS3. :wink:

That's all I'm saying.

The_Game21x

No not really because in order to play MLB the show 09 you have to have a "SONY SYSTEM". i love system wars :)

[QUOTE="Soulja_West"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

You're right, it is indeed another AAA title for the PS3. It's just not another Exclusive AAA title for the PS3. :wink:

That's all I'm saying.

So you're admitting it's not exclusive?

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]PS2 78 Metacritic PS3 89 Metacritic. Proof provided.Stevo_the_gamer

:shock:...that WAS epic!

Ok, so after all this if lems want to say that it isn't exclusive because it isn't different enough then I guess there goes DR and GRAW, because you know what in GRAW for the PC, I betcha I get to play as Advanced American Solider while in Mexico battlesMexican terrorists in and around mexico city. Just like in the 360 version.

And I can play as Frank West in a shopping mall and kill dozens of zombies with a variety of tools, guns, and everyday items. Just like the 360 versions.

I've already argued and pointed out with multiple sources that the PS2 and PS3 versions play different because of all the things involved but if you care to ignore that or disregard that then its safe to say that you can lose the E in both GRAW and DR because they are on other platforms.

Because "they are same premise, ideas, gameplay functions, etc." that are included in their 360 counterparts.

So what'll be lems? AAAE for MLB or Lose the E in GRAW and DR?

Can't have it both ways.

The online, the presentation, the controls, and the technical issues are all taken into account and why it plays differently. And to answer your first question I thought MLB 08 should've been deemed an AAE. It was a great baseball game and it probably differed enough between the PS2 and PS3 versions to warrant that.

I do enjoy baseball and this is the pinnacle of baseball games. And how is the "core" gameplay different in the 360 then the Wii? I know its different but by going by the logic a lot of users on this board are using it isn't. Why?

Because it offers the same "story, plot, mechanics, ideas, setting, etc." as the 360 version. Tell me do you not play as Frank West inside a shopping mall killing zombies with everyday items and rescuing people and completing missions?

In GRAW are you not playing as a member of this elite team in Mexico doing battle with terrorists in and around the city of mexico?

Sounds the same if you ask me....

XturnalS

Ok, so after all this if lems want to say that it isn't exclusive because it isn't different enough then I guess there goes DR and GRAW, because you know what in GRAW for the PC, I betcha I get to play as Advanced American Solider while in Mexico battlesMexican terrorists in and around mexico city. Just like in the 360 version.

And I can play as Frank West in a shopping mall and kill dozens of zombies with a variety of tools, guns, and everyday items. Just like the 360 versions.

I've already argued and pointed out with multiple sources that the PS2 and PS3 versions play different because of all the things involved but if you care to ignore that or disregard that then its safe to say that you can lose the E in both GRAW and DR because they are on other platforms.

Because "they are same premise, ideas, gameplay functions, etc." that are included in their 360 counterparts.

So what'll be lems? AAAE for MLB or Lose the E in GRAW and DR?

Can't have it both ways.

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]PS2 78 Metacritic PS3 89 Metacritic. Proof provided.foxhound_fox

ahahaha. I didn't even think of that.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]PS2 78 Metacritic PS3 89 Metacritic. Proof provided.Stevo_the_gamer

Gears of War (360)-94

Gears of War (PC)-87

X360 exclusive?

[QUOTE="XturnalS"]

Ok, so after all this if lems want to say that it isn't exclusive because it isn't different enough then I guess there goes DR and GRAW, because you know what in GRAW for the PC, I betcha I get to play as Advanced American Solider while in Mexico battlesMexican terrorists in and around mexico city. Just like in the 360 version.

And I can play as Frank West in a shopping mall and kill dozens of zombies with a variety of tools, guns, and everyday items. Just like the 360 versions.

I've already argued and pointed out with multiple sources that the PS2 and PS3 versions play different because of all the things involved but if you care to ignore that or disregard that then its safe to say that you can lose the E in both GRAW and DR because they are on other platforms.

Because "they are same premise, ideas, gameplay functions, etc." that are included in their 360 counterparts.

So what'll be lems? AAAE for MLB or Lose the E in GRAW and DR?

Can't have it both ways.

Stevo_the_gamer

I know how they are different but IF you don't want to acknowledge that the PS2 version and the PS3 version of The Show are different then why would I? I get the same basic experience on the wii for DR and the PC for GRAW that I do on the 360?

The same logic you'd like to use to make a claim for their exclusivity.

And sorry I missed your infalliable explaination...Care to refresh my memory? And this clearly isn't the same as NGS, NGS doesn't have enough different about it then NGB to make a claim. NGB doesn't suffer from bad controls, or various technical issues. The presentation may look a bit worse but not something as considerable as the difference here.

And for a function as important as online is to a game like this. Having one be completely rubbish while the other is marginally better greatly affects the quality of a title and which title a person would get.

Same as DR same as GRAW.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]
Halo 2 Xbox: 95
Halo 2 PC: 72

Proof: Halo 2 is a Xbox exclusive.

Silverbond

:shock:...that WAS epic!

Point 1. It's a well known fact that the PC has higher standards because of it's hardware.

Point 2. Halo 2 stayed exclusive for a long time before going to the PC, standards change.

Point 3. The PS2 has LOWER standards then the PS3 and scored much worse. Not the same thing, your twisting.