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#551 Animal-Mother
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[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Yes, SystemWars decided that GRAW is exclusive.horrowhip

And that thread decided that Graw is not exclusive

what are you talking about. GRAW is exclusive. No arguments about it.

That Thread clearly states that its not. PC/360 = Not exclsuive. its on PC its on 360
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its pure logicFurbyballistik
Yes, logic -- let's use logic. If a game is on more than one platform -- is it a multiplaftorm game?
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#553 Silverbond
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[QUOTE="Silverbond"]

[QUOTE="Furbyballistik"]im going to call this one exclusive. why? bcuz we dont use ps2 and psp in our AAAE debates. it should be considered AAAE, until we start using the ps2 in our debates again. if we did use ps2, then 360 wouldnt lead the charge anymore..amirite?Furbyballistik

So, Ninja Gaiden Sigma is an exclusive as well?

yes if we exclude xbox, ps2, n GC in our SW AAAE debates....not AAAE if we do. its pure logic

So, it doesn't matter how similar they are. If a game was released on a last-gen and current-gen system it's exclusive for the current-gen console?

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That Thread clearly states that its not. PC/360 = Not exclsuive. its on PC its on 360 Animal-Mother
So if Blizzard releases a Xbox 360 version of Starcraft 2 and makes it into a Action-Adventure game, but still shares the same name as it's strategy counterpart... is Starcraft 2 on the PC exclusive? I mean... they share the same name!
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#555 Brainkiller05
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It's Sony exclusive, it's not Playstation 3 exclusive... like it matters anyway.
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#556 horrowhip
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What is this damage control? I can't believe this made it to 550 posts. :D. I can't believe this unbelievable logic that because two gawmes play the same that means they are the same game. Is Madden 01 the same as Madden 09? Is halo 1 the same as halo 2. This debate is unbelievable. I mean if the game isn't the same exact thing than it is exclusive. There is no altering this idea. I mean wow.nhh18

exactly. Not exclusive. Because it IS the exact same thing except for the technical differences.

Unless you just gave the PC a ton more exclusives? TF2 PC exclusive, Gears of War PC exclusive, Mass Effect PC exclusive, Halo 2 PC exclusive...

Is this how we are doing it now? Technical differences=exclusives?

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It's Sony exclusive, it's not Playstation 3 exclusive... like it matters anyway.Brainkiller05
Sony exclusive? We're in CompanyWars now, eh mate?
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#558 Animal-Mother
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[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]That Thread clearly states that its not. PC/360 = Not exclsuive. its on PC its on 360 Stevo_the_gamer
So if Blizzard releases a Xbox 360 version of Starcraft 2 and makes it into a Action-Adventure game, but still shares the same name as it's strategy counterpart... is Starcraft 2 on the PC exclusive? I mean... they share the same name!

No because its an action adventure game, Graw is still a tactical shooter either way
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#559 nhh18
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[QUOTE="Furbyballistik"]its pure logicStevo_the_gamer
Yes, logic -- let's use logic. If a game is on more than one platform -- is it a multiplaftorm game?

If a game is different than it is exclusive to a console. There are no ifs or buts. Remakes should be considered exclusive are questionable. But when graphics, animations, features, Artificial intelligence are all different then how are the two games the same? Because it has the same title? Anyway it is obvious that the people who are debating this none of them have both 2 games to even make the assumption they are the same.
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#560 Silverbond
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It's Sony exclusive, it's not Playstation 3 exclusive... like it matters anyway.Brainkiller05

Sony exclusives are as real as unicorns.

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#561 Eddie-Vedder
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[QUOTE="horrowhip"]

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] And that thread decided that Graw is not exclusiveAnimal-Mother

what are you talking about. GRAW is exclusive. No arguments about it.

That Thread clearly states that its not. PC/360 = Not exclsuive. its on PC its on 360

Lemmings like their double standards, GRAW and Dead Rising exclusive cause they are "diferent" MLB The Show not exclusive cause it has the same name.
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[QUOTE="Furbyballistik"]its pure logicStevo_the_gamer
Yes, logic -- let's use logic. If a game is on more than one platform -- is it a multiplaftorm game?

but what if this game is 6 years of technology difference? I mean if Im a baseball fan, the game is one reason to get the PS3 for.
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#563 mitu123
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[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="horrowhip"]

And that thread decided that Graw is not exclusiveAnimal-Mother

what are you talking about. GRAW is exclusive. No arguments about it.

That Thread clearly states that its not. PC/360 = Not exclsuive. its on PC its on 360

But are they the same, judging from what I read, I don't think so, I might bring up some reviews and info whenever possible.
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[QUOTE="Brainkiller05"]It's Sony exclusive, it's not Playstation 3 exclusive... like it matters anyway.Stevo_the_gamer
Sony exclusive? We're in CompanyWars now, eh mate?

Well it is, Sony owns the game, but it is irrelevant because it is across 3 platforms. You need a vacation, you have been non stop arguing since Halo Wars haha.

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Just a quick point. http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p7pcq78sddbXfN0A-LjKWEA&gid=2 That is the link to the spreadsheet we used to use around here as the official guide to the exclusives and scores each platform had. It hasn't been updated for ages, but MLB The Show 08 isn't exclusive according to this, which leads me to believe that this new version shouldn't be exclusive either.
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#566 Brainkiller05
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[QUOTE="Brainkiller05"]It's Sony exclusive, it's not Playstation 3 exclusive... like it matters anyway.Stevo_the_gamer
Sony exclusive? We're in CompanyWars now, eh mate?

What, I don't care if it's system wars or not I'm saying it's Sony exclusive, whether that matters or not I honestly don't care. Count it multiplat if you like (like it should be) but at the end of the day the only difference it will make is in a couple of posts by some die hard console fanboys comparing the amount of "AAAEs" etc. ie. not important at all.
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It's Sony exclusive, it's not Playstation 3 exclusive... like it matters anyway.Brainkiller05

Then Halo, Halo 2, Fable and Gears of War are "Microsoft exclusive."

There is only one definition for the word "exclusive." And that is a unique game experience on one platform and no other.

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#568 crazy-player
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MLB 09 The Show = PS3 AAAE

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Nope.
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#569 Silverbond
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[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="horrowhip"]

what are you talking about. GRAW is exclusive. No arguments about it.

Eddie-Vedder

That Thread clearly states that its not. PC/360 = Not exclsuive. its on PC its on 360

Lemmings like their double standards, GRAW and Dead Rising exclusive cause they are "diferent" MLB The Show not exclusive cause it has the same name.

MLB 09 The Show is not exclusive because you can get the same experience on different systems.

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#570 opex07
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Fallout 3 has 93 (360) 91 (PS3) your reaching. Not to mention didn't a simple patch fix most of the issues? Eddie-Vedder

Fallout 3 (360) =9.0

Fallout 3 (Ps3) = 8.5

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but what if this game is 6 years of technology difference?HAZE-Unit
*sigh* Is Ninja Gaiden Sigma exclusive?
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[QUOTE="Brainkiller05"]It's Sony exclusive, it's not Playstation 3 exclusive... like it matters anyway.foxhound_fox


Then Halo, Halo 2, Fable and Gears of War are "Microsoft exclusive."

There is only one definition for the word "exclusive." And that is a unique game experience on one platform and no other.

Yeah he already said it is not exclusive. He just meant it is Sony's game.

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[QUOTE="Brainkiller05"]It's Sony exclusive, it's not Playstation 3 exclusive... like it matters anyway.foxhound_fox


Then Halo, Halo 2, Fable and Gears of War are "Microsoft exclusive."

There is only one definition for the word "exclusive." And that is a unique game experience on one platform and no other.

What is this microsoft exclusive. They are the same exact game with lower or higher resolution textures/ AA. I mean it isn't like geometry, Artificial Intelligence, different Engines, different features, Online capability, and other features. I mean come on.
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No because its an action adventure game, Graw is still a tactical shooter either wayAnimal-Mother
But both games offer vastly different experiences. Like the example I provided; they would share the same name though, so according to your logic, my example would show that you would believe it wouldn't be exclusive.
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#575 Eddie-Vedder
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[QUOTE="Brainkiller05"]It's Sony exclusive, it's not Playstation 3 exclusive... like it matters anyway.foxhound_fox


Then Halo, Halo 2, Fable and Gears of War are "Microsoft exclusive."

There is only one definition for the word "exclusive." And that is a unique game experience on one platform and no other.

Doesn't the fact that the PS3 version is at 89 MC, and the PS2 is 78 at MC prove the PS3 version is unique?

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#576 Animal-Mother
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[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]No because its an action adventure game, Graw is still a tactical shooter either wayStevo_the_gamer
But both games offer vastly different experiences. Like the example I provided; they would share the same name though, so according to your logic, my example would show that you would believe it wouldn't be exclusive.

Pretty much
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[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]but what if this game is 6 years of technology difference?Stevo_the_gamer
*sigh* Is Ninja Gaiden Sigma exclusive?

Hmm, that game is an Xbox game on PS3 with some new content.
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[QUOTE="Soulja_West"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"] Multiplatform refers to consoles owned by other companies. If the same company owns all of them. Its still exclusive. dk_2007

I like this statement.

There is nothing like sony exclusive or company exclusive. Otherwise tell me which company owns PC? because I sure have heard about PC exclusive.

Only reasonable argument will be if you can show that the game on PS2 is vastly different from PS3. Though there are some points regarding this in the previous pages.

It's a sports game, the only differences will be minor. Graphics, Sound, Online play, and maybe a few AI tweaks. It's the same game whether the Fanboys out there believe it or not. The GRAW issue was different, as they were only the same in name.
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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

[QUOTE="Brainkiller05"]It's Sony exclusive, it's not Playstation 3 exclusive... like it matters anyway.Eddie-Vedder


Then Halo, Halo 2, Fable and Gears of War are "Microsoft exclusive."

There is only one definition for the word "exclusive." And that is a unique game experience on one platform and no other.

Doesn't the fact that the PS3 version is at 89 MC, and the PS2 is 78 at MC prove the PS3 version is unique?

Nope, it proves its the superior version.

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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]but what if this game is 6 years of technology difference?mitu123
*sigh* Is Ninja Gaiden Sigma exclusive?

Hmm, that game is an Xbox game on PS3 with some new content.

Shhh. Don't spoil it! :P
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[QUOTE="Furbyballistik"][QUOTE="Silverbond"]

So, Ninja Gaiden Sigma is an exclusive as well?

Silverbond

yes if we exclude xbox, ps2, n GC in our SW AAAE debates....not AAAE if we do. its pure logic

So, it doesn't matter how similar they are. If a game was released on a last-gen and current-gen system it's exclusive for the current-gen console?

y r u ignoring my full post? over here on SW we DONT count last gen games in our AAAE debates. so y isnt MLB being considered a PS3 exclusive if we stopped using last gen AAAs? in that case LoZ:TP shouldnt be considered AAE for Wii since it also released on GC, right? im just saying, it should only matter if last gen AAAs still counted.
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What is this microsoft exclusive. They are the same exact game with lower or higher resolution textures/ AA. I mean it isn't like geometry, Artificial Intelligence, different Engines, different features, Online capability, and other features. I mean come on. nhh18

That "Microsoft exclusive" is the exact same logic people are using to claim MLB 09 as an exclusive. Since it isn't on the PS3, its exclusive to the 360 despite being available on another perfectly viable platform with basically the same experience.

~

And just as a side note. PS2's and PSP's are still sold in retail (and evidently, still getting games)... so saying they are "last-gen" isn't a good argument for the exclusive position.

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[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]
Then Halo, Halo 2, Fable and Gears of War are "Microsoft exclusive."

There is only one definition for the word "exclusive." And that is a unique game experience on one platform and no other.

Nagidar

Doesn't the fact that the PS3 version is at 89 MC, and the PS2 is 78 at MC prove the PS3 version is unique?

Nope, it proves its the superior version.

Like Graw and Dead Rising?

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[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="horrowhip"]

what are you talking about. GRAW is exclusive. No arguments about it.

Eddie-Vedder

That Thread clearly states that its not. PC/360 = Not exclsuive. its on PC its on 360

Lemmings like their double standards, GRAW and Dead Rising exclusive cause they are "diferent" MLB The Show not exclusive cause it has the same name.

IT IS MORE THAN JUST THE SAME NAME.

Go out, rent the two games and run through the game modes comparing the two. Then play the two...

THEY ARE THE SAME GAME. If one more person says otherwise I am going to ****ing explode.

I SWEAR TO GOD you do not have a CLUE what you are talking about if you are trying to claim that MLB 09: The Show is exclusive. Because it is literally, the EXACT SAME GAME on the PS2 minus graphics. And throw on technical issues to the PS2 version...

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Anyways, you guys are missing the point, at the end of the day PS3 has an AAA game which 360 doesn't have... whether it's exclusive or not doesn't make it a better game and doesn't make it any more important.
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y r u ignoring my full post? over here on SW we DONT count last gen games in our AAAE debates. so y isnt MLB being considered a PS3 exclusive if we stopped using last gen AAAs? in that case LoZ:TP shouldnt be considered AAE for Wii since it also released on GC, right? im just saying, it should only matter if last gen AAAs still counted.Furbyballistik
Is Resident Evil 4 exclusive then, and Okami as well on the Wii? Fact is, if a game is on multiple systems -- it's not exclusive.
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[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]but what if this game is 6 years of technology difference?Stevo_the_gamer
*sigh* Is Ninja Gaiden Sigma exclusive?

I've only played the PS3 version and I don't have any reason to play the last gen versions, on the other hand people misses out if they didn't play the PS3 version after playing the last gen game. Yes it's exclusive.

hypothetically, would you consider Final Fantasy VII remake on a current gen console exclusive or not?

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#588 Lionheart08
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I can't believe this turned into such a big debate.

Question: Before this was Legend of Zelda Twilight Princess ever considered a Wii exclusive?

Obviously it fits all the qualifications people are making for The Show. Only only version of it this gen, Slightly alterated gameplay, Brand Exclusive. Yet if I recall, TP was never considered an exclusive for the Wii even though it's a Brand Exclusive. Why should we start doing it now that Show is AAAe.

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[QUOTE="Nagidar"]

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"] Doesn't the fact that the PS3 version is at 89 MC, and the PS2 is 78 at MC prove the PS3 version is unique?

Eddie-Vedder

Nope, it proves its the superior version.

Like Graw and Dead Rising?

I haven't played the Wii version of DR, so I cannot comment on that, but GRAW on the 360 and PC were COMPLETELY different games, one a TPS, one a FPS, different settings and different story.

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#590 dr-venkman
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Why are people arguing over this? Who cares? But It's quite simple... Regarding this gen, it can only be played on PS3. Not the 360, the Wii or the PC. PS2 is a different gen. And handhelds are a different genre. Are all the Snes Wii virtual console games not exclusive to Snes anymore? If it's not the same gen, it's not accountable. The PS3 is not in competition with the PS2. It is only in competition with the 360, Wii and PC.
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Anyways, you guys are missing the point, at the end of the day PS3 has an AAA game which 360 doesn't have... whether it's exclusive or not doesn't make it a better game and doesn't make it any more important.Brainkiller05
I need to frame this.
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#592 mitu123
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[QUOTE="Nagidar"]

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

[QUOTE="Nagidar"]

Nope, it proves its the superior version.

Like Graw and Dead Rising?

I haven't played the Wii version of DR, so I cannot comment on that, but GRAW on the 360 and PC were COMPLETELY different games, one a TPS, one a FPS, different settings anddifferent story.

This is correct, you played the PC version right, I played the 360 version.
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I've only played the PS3 version and I don't have any reason to play the last gen versions, on the other hand people misses out if they didn't play the PS3 version after playing the last gen game. Yes it's exclusive.

hypothetically, would you consider Final Fantasy VII remake on a current gen console exclusive or not?HAZE-Unit

People miss out on an experience ... when the Xbox version offers the exact same experience? How does that even remotely make any sense?

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#594 HAZE-Unit
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[QUOTE="Lionheart08"]

I can't believe this turned into such a big debate.

Question: Before this was Legend of Zelda Twilight Princess ever considered a Wii exclusive?

Obviously it fits all the qualifications people are making for The Show. Only only version of it this gen, Slightly alterated gameplay, Brand Exclusive. Yet if I recall, TP was never considered an exclusive for the Wii even though it's a Brand Exclusive. Why should we start doing it now that Show is AAAe.

Maybe because it is the exact same game ? and the show 09 on PS3 is not the same as the PS2 experience?
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#595 foxhound_fox
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Like Graw and Dead Rising?Eddie-Vedder

I personally know nothing about GRAW but CTYD is a significant change to the Dead Rising formula. There is no camera, there is no jumping, there is no car driving, there is no main story, there is no psychopath Cletus... there is a change in perspective from third person to TP-over-the-shoulder, there is a change from DR's movement styIe to RE4's movement styIe (quick turnaround, etc.), there is a change from DR's aim-n-shoot styIe to RE4's sim-n-shoot styIe and there is tons of waggle replacing the button pushing.

The DR experience on the Wii is almost basically nothing like the 360 version aside from setting, some reused elements and the names of characters. The core gameplay is nothing like the 360 version.

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#596 Silverbond
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[QUOTE="Silverbond"]

[QUOTE="Furbyballistik"] yes if we exclude xbox, ps2, n GC in our SW AAAE debates....not AAAE if we do. its pure logicFurbyballistik

So, it doesn't matter how similar they are. If a game was released on a last-gen and current-gen system it's exclusive for the current-gen console?

y r u ignoring my full post? over here on SW we DONT count last gen games in our AAAE debates. so y isnt MLB being considered a PS3 exclusive if we stopped using last gen AAAs? in that case LoZ:TP shouldnt be considered AAE for Wii since it also released on GC, right? im just saying, it should only matter if last gen AAAs still counted.

As I said, it's exclusive for the current-gen console using your logic. Correct?

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[QUOTE="Nagidar"]

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"] Doesn't the fact that the PS3 version is at 89 MC, and the PS2 is 78 at MC prove the PS3 version is unique?

Eddie-Vedder

Nope, it proves its the superior version.

Like Graw and Dead Rising?

No. Graw is only the same in name, nothign else is the same. Dead Rising and the Wii versions don't even share that. One is Dead Rising, the other Dead Rising chop till you drop. Huge difference as apposed to MLB09 and MLB 09
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[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"] I've only played the PS3 version and I don't have any reason to play the last gen versions, on the other hand people misses out if they didn't play the PS3 version after playing the last gen game. Yes it's exclusive.

hypothetically, would you consider Final Fantasy VII remake on a current gen console exclusive or not?Stevo_the_gamer

People miss out on an experience ... when the Xbox version offers the exact same experience? How does that even remotely make any sense?

If it was the exact same experience wouldn't the scores be about the same? That's not the case now is it?
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#599 MassiveKaos
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[QUOTE="WhySoSerious300"]

Nice!! Another Sony game that gets an AAAE. :D.

Toriko42

It's not AAAE since it's on PSP and PS2

But is it gonna 9.0 on those systems and is it as good on them as the sp3 version? No. It should count as exclusive for the same reason Ghost Recon Adavanced Warfighter is. That game was on the xbox and ps2 and a bunch of other systems also so what does that mean? No 360 fan can argue with this so i win.

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[QUOTE="Lionheart08"]

I can't believe this turned into such a big debate.

Question: Before this was Legend of Zelda Twilight Princess ever considered a Wii exclusive?

Obviously it fits all the qualifications people are making for The Show. Only only version of it this gen, Slightly alterated gameplay, Brand Exclusive. Yet if I recall, TP was never considered an exclusive for the Wii even though it's a Brand Exclusive. Why should we start doing it now that Show is AAAe.

HAZE-Unit

Maybe because it is the exact same game ? and the show 09 on PS3 is not the same as the PS2 experience?

It is the same, with minro tweaks. TP is the same, with minor tweaks, such as waggle.