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#501 no_handlebars
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Can someone fill me in on what has happened since page 4?
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#502 Soulja_West
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[QUOTE="Soulja_West"] Yes it is. If its an different game then it is an exclusive. Get over it.darkslider99
You're the one with the problem here bud, the rest of us just don't sit back whilst someone makes moronic remarks. But I've had enough of your trolling, becaue if you're not simply trolling, and actuallt believe what you are saying and that you've built a strong arugment, you're a complete idiot.

I'm not the only one saying this sport. I thought I share that with you :)
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#503 II_Seraphim_II
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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="Soulja_West"]Go read the IGN review then get back at me.Kahuna_1

Already have. And it's not an exclusive -- they stated the following differences: different controls (with difficulty involved within those controls), better technical aspects of the game, and additional content. The core substance of the game itself has not been changed between the PS2 version and the PS3 version, it's still a MLB the Show title. Different controls, added content, better sound and visuals does not dictate a game's exclusivity... otherwise Ninja Gaiden Sigma would be exclusive. And it's most certainly NOT.

lol its baseball...no way to change that...unless it motion controlled baseball, which it isnt.

I havent played MLB 09 , but here is what I think would have to be different in order to count them as different games:

Different team roster. In most sports games, the team rosters are all that separate one game from the next, so this would be exclusive worthy difference.

Different SIGNIFICANT game modes. So lets say one version has a create a character and take them to the top mode, and another doesnt...thats a significant enough difference for exclusivity

Online. This one depends. If its just the same game, but now you can play with other players, then no. But lets say there is a whole new intricate online game mode that recreates the World Series, keeping everyone's team stats and everything and you have to enter your own unique team and its all on the game website and its really well done, well thats significant enough.

Gameplay mechanics. For sports games this is a harder one, but lets say they were to cut out some important gameplay aspects from the PS3 version to the others. Lets say there is a coach aspect where you can train your players and what not, and maybe each player has individual stats which you have to train and maintain but the other version dont...thats a big enough difference.

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#504 The_Game21x
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"Exclusive" means one platform.

A game on three platforms, two of which are basically the same game, only with different scale of visuals, are not exclusive.

Only when a significant change to the gameplay or overall styIe of the game takes place and the one game in no way resembles the one it shares a name with (i.e. Dead Rising: CTYD or the Wii Dead Space) it can be deemed an exclusive title.

MLB 09 is as far from an exclusive title as you can come. Just because it is on all Sony platforms does not make it exclusive. A game that is truly "exclusive" is a game that provides a unique experience that is only available on one singular platform. Like Kameo: Elements of Power on 360 or Metal Gear Solid 4 on PS3.

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#505 Silverbond
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[QUOTE="Silverbond"]

[QUOTE="Soulja_West"] IGN says the PS2 version and PS3 version are different. Its an exclusive. END OF DISCUSSION.

Soulja_West

How much of a difference is there?

Go read the review and find out.

Read the review, still not exclusive.

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#506 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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Why because it has one different mission? and a FPS aspect?Animal-Mother
WOW. It's incredibly obvious you have no idea what you're talking about. Oh brother, are you frickin' kidding me? I mean, come on! The game has an entirely different gameplay design, level design, plotline, multiplayer, visuals, sound, content wise, every single thing on the frickin' board is different -- the only thing they share is the same name. End of story. Comparing this to GRAW is incredibly laughable. This is just getting repetitive. :?
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#507 mitu123
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Ok Im gonna say it like this, The lemmings didnt care before the game even came out if it was exclusive or not. Now that the PS3 has caught up their running scared to find excuses. But If this game is NOT exclusive. that emans Graw is no longer exclusive along with MGS4 and Dead Space

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Dude, GRAW on 360 is different from the other versions.
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#508 Soulja_West
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[QUOTE="Silverbond"]

[QUOTE="Soulja_West"]

[QUOTE="Silverbond"]

How much of a difference is there?

Go read the review and find out.

Read the review, still not exclusive.

I don't think you've read it. Try again.
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#509 lawlessx
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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

"Exclusive" means one platform.

A game on three platforms, two of which are basically the same game, only with different scale of visuals, are not exclusive.

Only when a significant change to the gameplay or overall styIe of the game takes place and the one game in no way resembles the one it shares a name with (i.e. Dead Rising: CTYD or the Wii Dead Space) it can be deemed an exclusive title.

MLB 09 is as far from an exclusive title as you can come. Just because it is on all Sony platforms does not make it exclusive. A game that is truly "exclusive" is a game that provides a unique experience that is only available on one singular platform. Like Kameo: Elements of Power on 360 or Metal Gear Solid 4 on PS3.

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I like this response.

same here..but it's going to be ignored in this thread.

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#510 Burnsmiesta
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Oh I guess all GFW games are exclusive now.......:roll:

This logic is stupid. Especially when MLB 08 wasn't even considered beforehand.

Not exclusive. Get over it.

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#511 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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Can someone fill me in on what has happened since page 4?no_handlebars
In a nut shell! Fanboys turned to typical fanboy arguments calling it a "Sony Exclusive", completely disregarding the fact it's on multiple platforms, and they've been frivolously defending it ever since.
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#512 Chaos_HL21
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[QUOTE="Chaos_HL21"]

[QUOTE="Soulja_West"]

We are on Gamespot, only Gamespot matters. If you want to take IGN's word over anyone here. Here is a place to do it at.

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"] Would you mind pointing us to the Gamespot PS2 review?Eddie-Vedder

So what does that have to do about anything? Gamespot is slow at reviewing games, and just because they did not review the PS2 one does not make it a PS3 exclusive.

Are you joking? Someone showed you IGN proving that the PS3 and PS2 version are not the same, you say "I though we were on Gamespot" GS didn't review the PS2 game! How else are we going to see if the are the same game?

IGN also gave Halo Wars a 8.4. But the cows only used Gamespot, so why should we go to IGN for this. If you want to use IGN I posted a link to their boards. Go there and have fun. It may be a different game but how much different is the question, Nobody is saying it is the same game. But they are saying that the things that made the games different is not enought for it to be exclusive.

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Dude, GRAW on 360 is different from the other versions.mitu123
Calling it "different" is a vast understatement as well.
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#514 horrowhip
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Its exclusive sorry. crying want make it none exclusive.Soulja_West

Why would I be crying?

I am a hermit but I also own a PS3 and 360...

I am just take this logically and looking at the facts.

FACT:

The gameplay of the two versions is the same

FACT:

MLB 08: The Show has spent a whole year being considered multiplatform with no argument from cows despite being in the EXACT SAME SITUATION as MLB 09: The Show. Same game, different tech...

FACT:

MLB 09: The Show is not exclusive.

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[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

Ok Im gonna say it like this, The lemmings didnt care before the game even came out if it was exclusive or not. Now that the PS3 has caught up their running scared to find excuses. But If this game is NOT exclusive. that emans Graw is no longer exclusive along with MGS4 and Dead Space

mitu123
Dude, GRAW on 360 is different from the other versions.

Ok then does MLB have any diff gameplay mechanics
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#516 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

"Exclusive" means one platform.

A game on three platforms, two of which are basically the same game, only with different scale of visuals, are not exclusive.

Only when a significant change to the gameplay or overall styIe of the game takes place and the one game in no way resembles the one it shares a name with (i.e. Dead Rising: CTYD or the Wii Dead Space) it can be deemed an exclusive title.

MLB 09 is as far from an exclusive title as you can come. Just because it is on all Sony platforms does not make it exclusive. A game that is truly "exclusive" is a game that provides a unique experience that is only available on one singular platform. Like Kameo: Elements of Power on 360 or Metal Gear Solid 4 on PS3.

The_Game21x

I like this response.

As do I! It's a sound argument with an unshakable foundation. A post not a single PS3 fan has attempted to take a wack at, and I wonder why? :P

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#517 mitu123
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]Dude, GRAW on 360 is different from the other versions.Stevo_the_gamer
Calling it "different" is a vast understatement as well.

Wait, what were the other versions like, I only played the 360 version.
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#518 Soulja_West
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[QUOTE="Soulja_West"] Its exclusive sorry. crying want make it none exclusive.horrowhip

Why would I be crying?

I am a hermit but I also own a PS3 and 360...

I am just take this logically and looking at the facts.

FACT:

The gameplay of the two versions is the same

FACT:

MLB 08: The Show has spent a whole year being considered multiplatform with no argument from cows despite being in the EXACT SAME SITUATION as MLB 09: The Show. Same game, different tech...

FACT:

MLB 09: The Show is not exclusive.

Its an exclusive. I'm not the only one saying this. They ARE NOT the same according to IGN. Thankyou and have a wonderful day :)
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#519 Eddie-Vedder
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[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"][QUOTE="Chaos_HL21"]

So what does that have to do about anything? Gamespot is slow at reviewing games, and just because they did not review the PS2 one does not make it a PS3 exclusive.

Chaos_HL21

Are you joking? Someone showed you IGN proving that the PS3 and PS2 version are not the same, you say "I though we were on Gamespot" GS didn't review the PS2 game! How else are we going to see if the are the same game?

IGN also gave Halo Wars a 8.4. But the cows only used Gamespot, so why should we go to IGN for this. If you want to use IGN I posted a link to their boards. Go there and have fun. It may be a different game but how much different is the question, Nobody is saying it is the same game. But they are saying that the things that made the games different is not enought for it to be exclusive.

Wtf?
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#520 Silverbond
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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

"Exclusive" means one platform.

A game on three platforms, two of which are basically the same game, only with different scale of visuals, are not exclusive.

Only when a significant change to the gameplay or overall styIe of the game takes place and the one game in no way resembles the one it shares a name with (i.e. Dead Rising: CTYD or the Wii Dead Space) it can be deemed an exclusive title.

MLB 09 is as far from an exclusive title as you can come. Just because it is on all Sony platforms does not make it exclusive. A game that is truly "exclusive" is a game that provides a unique experience that is only available on one singular platform. Like Kameo: Elements of Power on 360 or Metal Gear Solid 4 on PS3.

The_Game21x

I like this response.

I like that response too.

Wonder why it hasn't been quoted?

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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="mitu123"]Dude, GRAW on 360 is different from the other versions.mitu123
Calling it "different" is a vast understatement as well.

Wait, what were the other versions like, I only played the 360 version.

The only way to describe the last gen counterparts is ... "a complete and utter MESS". I'm ashamed I even rented it. (original Xbox version).
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#522 no_handlebars
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]Dude, GRAW on 360 is different from the other versions.Stevo_the_gamer
Calling it "different" is a vast understatement as well.

Heh. No surprise there. What's all this jibber-jabber I hear about a PS2/PSP version review?
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#523 mitu123
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Animal-Mother, I haven't played it yet.

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#524 Animal-Mother
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]Dude, GRAW on 360 is different from the other versions.Stevo_the_gamer
Calling it "different" is a vast understatement as well.

Just so you know as well 360/pc not exclusive http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26719140
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#525 Chaos_HL21
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Its an exclusive. I'm not the only one saying this. They ARE NOT the same according to IGN. Thankyou and have a wonderful day :)Soulja_West

Again we are not on IGN. Saying that IGN said it is exclusive does not mean anything here. IGN also gave Halo Wars a 8.4. Yet the cows said only Gamespot, and that the only one who matters. Or is it just when it gave the 360 a bad score?

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#527 horrowhip
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Its an exclusive. I'm not the only one saying this. They ARE NOT the same according to IGN. Thankyou and have a wonderful day :)Soulja_West

Where does IGN say they are not the same?

IGN says the PS3 version is better, but that doesn't make it different.

The CORE GAME is the same between the two.

coming directly from someone who has played both. The only major differences are technical in my experience with them. Slight changes elsewhere don't warrant calling it a different game.

And I fail to see where in the IGN review you get the idea that they are different games?

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Go view my previous post then get back at me. It should explain why I think its an exclusive.Soulja_West

If you wish to prove something to me, I should not have to do the legwork.

Unless you *need* a PS3 to experience the game, it isn't exclusive. The PS2 and PSP experiences are basically the same. The funny thing is, you are trying to pass this off with a baseball game... where aside from a comicy/arcadey styIe change, is the same game no matter what you do to it graphically. Its baseball. It doesn't change anything.

Please, when you quote this response, list the reasons as proof as to why you think it is exclusive. Not IGN's arguments, but your's.

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Just so you know as well 360/pc not exclusive http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26719140Animal-Mother
... Are you frickin' kidding me? Who the hell would actually be serious in calling Xbox 360/PC games exclusive? That's a fanboy argument and I sure as hell do not use such illogical arguments. :|
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#530 Animal-Mother
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[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]Just so you know as well 360/pc not exclusive http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26719140Stevo_the_gamer
... Are you frickin' kidding me? Who the hell would actually be serious in calling Xbox 360/PC games exclusive? That's a fanboy argument and I sure as hell do not use such illogical arguments. :|

Well its not exclusive according to SW
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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="mitu123"]Dude, GRAW on 360 is different from the other versions.Animal-Mother
Calling it "different" is a vast understatement as well.

Just so you know as well 360/pc not exclusive http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26719140

According to the reivews I read, they aren't the same game. If so, why does this link have it as an 360 exclusive: http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pc5oLqpenpT78W87pMfgvBA&gid=1
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im going to call this one exclusive. why? bcuz we dont use ps2 and psp in our AAAE debates. it should be considered AAAE, until we start using the ps2 in our debates again. if we did use ps2, then 360 wouldnt lead the charge anymore..amirite?
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[QUOTE="Soulja_West"]Go view my previous post then get back at me. It should explain why I think its an exclusive.foxhound_fox


If you wish to prove something to me, I should not have to do the legwork.

Unless you *need* a PS3 to experience the game, it isn't exclusive. The PS2 and PSP experiences are basically the same. The funny thing is, you are trying to pass this off with a baseball game... where aside from a comicy/arcadey styIe change, is the same game no matter what you do to it graphically. Its baseball. It doesn't change anything.

Please, when you quote this response, list the reasons as proof as to why you think it is exclusive. Not IGN's arguments, but your's.

That's why I think it's exclusive because the experiences aren't the same. That's like saying MLB 2K9 is "basically the same" as MLB 09 The Show because you bat, pitch, throw, field, baserun ect.

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Well its not exclusive according to SWAnimal-Mother
... and did I ever say otherwise, or did you conveniently just overlook the post you replied too?
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#535 Animal-Mother
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[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Calling it "different" is a vast understatement as well.mitu123
Just so you know as well 360/pc not exclusive http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26719140

According to the reivews I read, they aren't the same game. If so, why does this link have it as an 360 exclusive: http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pc5oLqpenpT78W87pMfgvBA&gid=1

Beats me. But SW decided it wasnt
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#536 Animal-Mother
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[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]Well its not exclusive according to SWStevo_the_gamer
... and did I ever say otherwise, or did you conveniently just overlook the post you replied too?

Totally overlooked it like the noob I am sometimes
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#537 horrowhip
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Well its not exclusive according to SWAnimal-Mother

GRAW 360 is exclusive because it is a TPS with a different story from the PC version which was a FPS...

GRAW 360 is the only exception. If you had playedboth you would understand. But you didn't.

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Totally overlooked it like the noob I am sometimesAnimal-Mother
I guess we all have those moments sometime. :P
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#539 Silverbond
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im going to call this one exclusive. why? bcuz we dont use ps2 and psp in our AAAE debates. it should be considered AAAE, until we start using the ps2 in our debates again. if we did use ps2, then 360 wouldnt lead the charge anymore..amirite?Furbyballistik

So, Ninja Gaiden Sigma is an exclusive as well?

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Beats me. But SW decided it wasntAnimal-Mother
No, SystemWars decided that GRAW is exclusive.

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#541 Animal-Mother
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[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]Beats me. But SW decided it wasntStevo_the_gamer
Yes, SystemWars decided that GRAW is exclusive.

And that thread decided that Graw is not exclusive
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You guys should go find a game you both own and have a best of 3 match to decide on it. Record it too.

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That's why I think it's exclusive because the experiences aren't the same. That's like saying MLB 2K9 is "basically the same" as MLB 09 The Show because you bat, pitch, throw, field, baserun ect.W1NGMAN-

But MLB 09 on the PS2 and PSP are not MLB 2K9. :|

Not only do they share exactly the same title and most likely the same, but scaled coding,.. but the overall experiences, aside from the increase in visual fidelity on the PS3 version and better online, is essentially the exact same experience.

If this game is "exclusive" then so is Mass Effect, Gears of War, Fable, Jade Empire, Knights of the Old Republic, Halo, Halo 2 and all the other Xbox titles that became available on PC and the only difference between them is upgraded visuals.

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#544 horrowhip
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That's why I think it's exclusive because the experiences aren't the same. That's like saying MLB 2K9 is "basically the same" as MLB 09 The Show because you bat, pitch, throw, field, baserun ect.

W1NGMAN-

have you played the PS2 and PS3 versions of the game?

I have.

They control the same, have the same game modes, have the same commentary, and in general play the same.

Differences are technical differences. PS2 version has bugs, dated graphics, AI issues, and collision detection problems.

But the core game is the exact same.

So your argument is unfounded. Because they are basically the same experience. Beyond technical problems that is...

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#545 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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And that thread decided that Graw is not exclusiveAnimal-Mother

Ugh.

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#546 Animal-Mother
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[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]And that thread decided that Graw is not exclusiveStevo_the_gamer

Ugh.

Im just the delivery boy, I didnt decide on the message

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#548 Furbyballistik
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[QUOTE="Furbyballistik"]im going to call this one exclusive. why? bcuz we dont use ps2 and psp in our AAAE debates. it should be considered AAAE, until we start using the ps2 in our debates again. if we did use ps2, then 360 wouldnt lead the charge anymore..amirite?Silverbond

So, Ninja Gaiden Sigma is an exclusive as well?

yes if we exclude xbox, ps2, n GC in our SW AAAE debates....not AAAE if we do. its pure logic
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#549 horrowhip
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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]Beats me. But SW decided it wasntAnimal-Mother
Yes, SystemWars decided that GRAW is exclusive.

And that thread decided that Graw is not exclusive

what are you talking about. GRAW is exclusive. No arguments about it.

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#550 nhh18
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What is this damage control? I can't believe this made it to 550 posts. :D. I can't believe this unbelievable logic that because two gawmes play the same that means they are the same game. Is Madden 01 the same as Madden 09? Is halo 1 the same as halo 2. This debate is unbelievable. I mean if the game isn't the same exact thing than it is exclusive. There is no altering this idea. I mean wow.