Mocrosoft DESPERATELY needs MORE EXCLUSIVES, because SONY is oozing BRAND NEW IP
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The last of us, ni no kuni, starhawk, dragon's corown... man, the list of PS3 Exclusives grows by the day.
Its gotten to the point where 360 goes through a 12 month AAAE drought until each september when MS decides to release their gears/halo redux.
MS you DESPERATELY need new IP!
loosingENDS
Not really, they dont need anything desparatly
It is
Last of Us - another boring linear game like Uncharted
Ni no Kuni - a cute JRPG from the 2ond worst developer on earth, the makers of WKC 1-2 and multiplatform also on DS
Starhawk - zero interest
Dragons Crown - Multiplatform, brawler, maybe on PSN and is also on Vita
FF13vs - a RPG from the worst developer on earth - the makers of the dreadfull FF13 and the mediocre FF12
Last Guardian - Nice game, but only one promising title is not enough and is not even a RPG
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VS
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Witcher 2 - One of the best RPGs of all time
Mass Effect 3 proper version - One of the best RPG series of all time
Fable JOurney - Amazing RPG with fresh next gen controls
Ryse - The behemoth Crytek title
Project Draco - Sequel to Panzer Orta, one of the top action games of all time
Haunt - Thriller
Steel Batallion - Mechs
Dust Elysian Tale - One of the best looking games ever created
Skyrim exapnsions - Huge new expansions only on 360 for 30 days and with the proper console version that is actually playable
Alan Wake Night Springs - Sequel to one of the best games this generation
Halo 4 - Probably a better shooter than all PS3 shooters combined as usual
Bloodforge - Action title from Sudeki developers
Fez -Puzzle title
Sine Mora - Action title
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Sony needs more exclusives really, right now they have zero exlusives that i care much about
The only games i may buy, if turn out above average, are multiplatforms like Ni no Kuni and Dragons Crown that are also on DS and Vita and maybe Last guardian, which is not a RPG, so it really makes zero difference if it never releases
so much fail in this list. muliplats, DLC, vaporware, and kinect garbage that no one is hyped for but you.
we can always count on you in these threads
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Floppy_Jim
[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]
[QUOTE="MafiaMusic"]
The last of us, ni no kuni, starhawk, dragon's corown... man, the list of PS3 Exclusives grows by the day.
Its gotten to the point where 360 goes through a 12 month AAAE drought until each september when MS decides to release their gears/halo redux.
MS you DESPERATELY need new IP!
arbitor365
Not really, they dont need anything desparatly
It is
Last of Us - another boring linear game like Uncharted
Ni no Kuni - a cute JRPG from the 2ond worst developer on earth, the makers of WKC 1-2 and multiplatform also on DS
Starhawk - zero interest
Dragons Crown - Multiplatform, brawler, maybe on PSN and is also on Vita
FF13vs - a RPG from the worst developer on earth - the makers of the dreadfull FF13 and the mediocre FF12
Last Guardian - Nice game, but only one promising title is not enough and is not even a RPG
.
VS
.
Witcher 2 - One of the best RPGs of all time
Mass Effect 3 proper version - One of the best RPG series of all time
Fable JOurney - Amazing RPG with fresh next gen controls
Ryse - The behemoth Crytek title
Project Draco - Sequel to Panzer Orta, one of the top action games of all time
Haunt - Thriller
Steel Batallion - Mechs
Dust Elysian Tale - One of the best looking games ever created
Skyrim exapnsions - Huge new expansions only on 360 for 30 days and with the proper console version that is actually playable
Alan Wake Night Springs - Sequel to one of the best games this generation
Halo 4 - Probably a better shooter than all PS3 shooters combined as usual
Bloodforge - Action title from Sudeki developers
Fez -Puzzle title
Sine Mora - Action title
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Sony needs more exclusives really, right now they have zero exlusives that i care much about
The only games i may buy, if turn out above average, are multiplatforms like Ni no Kuni and Dragons Crown that are also on DS and Vita and maybe Last guardian, which is not a RPG, so it really makes zero difference if it never releases
so much fail in this list. muliplats, DLC, vaporware, and kinect garbage that no one is hyped for but you.
we can always count on you in these threads
is it on ps3?The last of us, ni no kuni, starhawk, dragon's corown... man, the list of PS3 Exclusives grows by the day.
Its gotten to the point where 360 goes through a 12 month AAAE drought until each september when MS decides to release their gears/halo redux.
MS you DESPERATELY need new IP!
MafiaMusic
PS3 has 4 exlusive new IPs in 2012
Last Guardian
The Journey (PSN)
Last of Us
Starhawk
360 has 12 exclusive new IPs in 2012
Ryse (exclusive)
Project Draco (exclusive)
Dust Elysian Tale (exclusive)
Haunt (exclusive)
Steel Batallion (exclusive)
Battleblock Theater (exclusive)
Bloogforge (exclusive)
Clas 3 & 4 Zombie MMOs (exclusive)
Diabolical Pitch (exclusive)
Hybrid (exclusive)
Obsidian RPG (exclusive)
its funny how the most common excuse being used here is
"microsoft is making plenty of money off of the kinect and multiplats, so it doesnt even matter"
do you guys hear yourselves? last I checked, you guys arent gaining anything from microsoft's monetary success. The Xbox is basically a self perpetuating multiplat machine (a poor man's PC), and micosoft is barely providing any original material, despite supposedly being the most succesful console.
if you look back at any of the consoles of previous generations like the SNES, PS1, N64, PS2, and gamecube, they all provided a vast number of exclusive titles. why? because, being the big players in the gaming world and they had this crazy idea that consoles should be positioned on the stregnth of the libraries and original content.
microsoft doesnt share that ideology. microsoft doesnt seem to care about actually producing content for the public, like a console maker should be doing. why? because they realize that they are making enough money with their casual kinect garbage, their horrendously desaturated library of exclusives, and their overpriced online service, that they dont need to produce new content. money is the only thing that matters to them. and you dumbasses are rewarding them and praising them for it.
i dont care so much about exclusives as i do multiplayer. and xbox easily has all the best multiplayer games. even multiplats are better because of liveits funny how the most common excuse being used here is
"microsoft is making plenty of money off of the kinect and multiplats, so it doesnt even matter"
do you guys hear yourselves? last I checked, you guys arent gaining anything from microsoft's monetary success. The Xbox is basically a self perpetuating multiplat machine (a poor man's PC), and micosoft is barely providing any original material, despite supposedly being the most succesful console.
if you look back at any of the consoles of previous generations like the SNES, PS1, N64, PS2, and gamecube, they all provided a vast number of exclusive titles. why? because, being the big players in the gaming world and they had this crazy idea that consoles should be positioned on the stregnth of the libraries and original content. microsoft doesnt share that ideology. microsoft doesnt seem to care about actually producing content for the public, like a console maker should be doing. and you dumbasses are rewarding them and praising them for it.
arbitor365
This is the generation of the multiplatform. Multiplatforms crush exclusives in sales. And if exclusives truly drove the sales of consoles the PS3 not the Xbox 360 would have set records in sales over the last six weeks.its funny how the most common excuse being used here is
"microsoft is making plenty of money off of the kinect and multiplats, so it doesnt even matter"
do you guys hear yourselves? last I checked, you guys arent gaining anything from microsoft's monetary success. The Xbox is basically a self perpetuating multiplat machine (a poor man's PC), and micosoft is barely providing any original material, despite supposedly being the most succesful console.
if you look back at any of the consoles of previous generations like the SNES, PS1, N64, PS2, and gamecube, they all provided a vast number of exclusive titles. why? because, being the big players in the gaming world and they had this crazy idea that consoles should be positioned on the stregnth of the libraries and original content. microsoft doesnt share that ideology. microsoft doesnt seem to care about actually producing content for the public, like a console maker should be doing. and you dumbasses are rewarding them and praising them for it.
arbitor365
But having said all that it appears the list of new Xbox 360 IPs is actually longer than that of the PS3 for 2012. But, again exclusives combined don't hold water to multiplatforms this generation.
TNaughty dog is a great developer and I don't care if they give us UC 39 as long as its good rather than a new niche ip that has its male character look like a teenage boy wearing a bra! ccagracingThat second game you're referring to is a PS3 'exclusive'. And I'm not joking. It's called Labyrinth Tower Legacista
He's got bigger Toes In The Sand than the girl behind him in the picture:cry:
When will fanboys learn that the games industry doesnt work like system wars? :|navyguy21
they used to. console companies used to care about providing massive ammounts of exclusive content and hardcore gamers werent an afterthought.
[QUOTE="navyguy21"]When will fanboys learn that the games industry doesnt work like system wars? :|arbitor365
they used to. console companies used to care about providing massive ammounts of exclusive content and hardcore gamers werent an afterthought.
Are you seriously that delusional??ALL companies AND GAME companies care about MONEY! NOT the consumer. You are delusional if you think otherwise. Sony did everything they could last gen to make money. Tons of add ons, bought exclusives, paid content, etc. All to try to out do Ninty. It WASNT to give consumers the best. IF that were true, we wouldnt have had a 600 dollar console and bluray forced on us. MS is doing what a BUSINESS should do. Do i agree with the lack of new ips? No, hell no i dont. But guess what? Im an ADULT, and i realize that the world isnt perfect, neither is Ninty, MS, or Sony. You praise the fact that Sony can provide the New IPs that MS doesnt. You FAIL to take into consideration past generations, where MS struggled. Not to mention it was their first foray into the industry.
This is Sonys THIRD.......THIRD!! Naturally, they DOMINATED the past 2 gens so they had the money, and the dev support to buy any studio they wanted. They STARTED with a huge lead in consumer loyalty. MS has had it harder than Ninty or Sony. They are doing what they have to, to broaden their appeal. They failed so hard last gen because they had no variety, they were all hardcore. I dont see the problem with trying to lose that stigma. Sony has always had the support of the industry, so games CAME to them, they didnt create all these games. They are from studios they BOUGHT.......just like MS is trying to do now that they have money. Microsoft games division doesnt have access to the 250+ billion that the company is worth. That is a common misconception here. Wake up dude. The world is bigger than System Wars.
MS just cant win with you fanboys (yes, i called you one....just so there is no speculation). If they dont buy studios, they fail. Dey has no gaemz. 360 is a fail console, etc, etc, etc. If they DO buy studios, then its all negative again. They will just close them!! Just look at Rare/Ensemble/FASA!! They cant win. Not realizing that Ensemble and FASA werent producing enough to sustain themselves, and Ninty ruined Rare. If MS is so greedy as you fanboys claim, then why cant you also apply that logic here and see that they werent making money? OR, if they WERE producing quality games, then what sense does it make to close a company that is MAKING money? Hypocrisy.......
Going by the 360's Black Friday sales, reports that Sony is almost bankrupt, not to mention the popularity of Kinect and Kinect software, and the pending next Microsoft console.......Looks to me like Microsoft is in the best position of all three companies. Nintendo just had their worst year ever and the Wii U has been nothing but negative news for the last 6 months, Sony is once again over charging on Vita hardware, and Microsoft still gets the best 4rd party sales.
Guess we will find out in a year.
WarTornRuston
umm.. no.. sony isn't. i dont know if you are aware that they just bought out ericsson in the phone dept. also are about to par with samsung sales on TV's.
Sony does not need money in any way.with that said: i think one ofthe main reasons to why sony isn't makin alot of moullah on the console is the fact that the playstation as a brand has gotten stale.. this happens over time. think of levis jeans.they were undisputed in jeans-sales 15 years ago. and now. they arent.
[QUOTE="arbitor365"]
[QUOTE="navyguy21"]When will fanboys learn that the games industry doesnt work like system wars? :|navyguy21
they used to. console companies used to care about providing massive ammounts of exclusive content and hardcore gamers werent an afterthought.
Are you seriously that delusional??ALL companies AND GAME companies care about MONEY! NOT the consumer. You are delusional if you think otherwise. Sony did everything they could last gen to make money. Tons of add ons, bought exclusives, paid content, etc. All to try to out do Ninty. It WASNT to give consumers the best. IF that were true, we wouldnt have had a 600 dollar console and bluray forced on us. MS is doing what a BUSINESS should do. Do i agree with the lack of new ips? No, hell no i dont. But guess what? Im an ADULT, and i realize that the world isnt perfect, neither is Ninty, MS, or Sony. You praise the fact that Sony can provide the New IPs that MS doesnt. You FAIL to take into consideration past generations, where MS struggled. Not to mention it was their first foray into the industry.
This is Sonys THIRD.......THIRD!! Naturally, they DOMINATED the past 2 gens so they had the money, and the dev support to buy any studio they wanted. They STARTED with a huge lead in consumer loyalty. MS has had it harder than Ninty or Sony. They are doing what they have to, to broaden their appeal. They failed so hard last gen because they had no variety, they were all hardcore. I dont see the problem with trying to lose that stigma. Sony has always had the support of the industry, so games CAME to them, they didnt create all these games. They are from studios they BOUGHT.......just like MS is trying to do now that they have money. Microsoft games division doesnt have access to the 250+ billion that the company is worth. That is a common misconception here. Wake up dude. The world is bigger than System Wars.
MS just cant win with you fanboys (yes, i called you one....just so there is no speculation). If they dont buy studios, they fail. Dey has no gaemz. 360 is a fail console, etc, etc, etc. If they DO buy studios, then its all negative again. They will just close them!! Just look at Rare/Ensemble/FASA!! They cant win. Not realizing that Ensemble and FASA werent producing enough to sustain themselves, and Ninty ruined Rare. If MS is so greedy as you fanboys claim, then why cant you also apply that logic here and see that they werent making money? OR, if they WERE producing quality games, then what sense does it make to close a company that is MAKING money? Hypocrisy.......
Are you saying some people at these companies don't care, or are you speaking for every single person at the companies. And the reason why people are mad at MS buying rare is because of how far they have fallen.Are you saying some people at these companies don't care, or are you speaking for every single person at the companies. And the reason why people are mad at MS buying rare is because of how far they have fallen.White_DreamsIm talking about the companies as a whole, as in the people who make the decisions. Also, it is YOUR OPINION that Rare has fallen. Rare has developed some great games this gen. Just because they dont appeal to you doesnt mean that they have fallen. Rare are great creative minds and they have shown that. Everything they touch is quality. You dont think so because what they have produced dont appeal to you, and thats fine. But dont pretend they are Silicon Knights or some other dev. Grow up dude. Realize that the world is bigger than your world, and that people acutally like things other than what you like. Banjo was great. Viva Pinata, Kameo, PDZ, etc. MS has them working on Kinect stuff because what better dev to make casual stuff than Rare? Who else could do it? Epic? Lionhead? 343? Get real dude. MS has the right company doing the right thing. They will get back to hardcore games when they have to first party devs to support it......which they are working on now. Or should they call you and ask you for guidance?
I agree, but I doubt we'll see one till next gen. Halo sequels and Kinect a plenty though!
Are you seriously that delusional??
ALL companies AND GAME companies care about MONEY! NOT the consumer. You are delusional if you think otherwise. Sony did everything they could last gen to make money. Tons of add ons, bought exclusives, paid content, etc. All to try to out do Ninty. It WASNT to give consumers the best. IF that were true, we wouldnt have had a 600 dollar console and bluray forced on us. MS is doing what a BUSINESS should do. Do i agree with the lack of new ips? No, hell no i dont. But guess what? Im an ADULT, and i realize that the world isnt perfect, neither is Ninty, MS, or Sony. You praise the fact that Sony can provide the New IPs that MS doesnt. You FAIL to take into consideration past generations, where MS struggled. Not to mention it was their first foray into the industry.
This is Sonys THIRD.......THIRD!! Naturally, they DOMINATED the past 2 gens so they had the money, and the dev support to buy any studio they wanted. They STARTED with a huge lead in consumer loyalty. MS has had it harder than Ninty or Sony. They are doing what they have to, to broaden their appeal. They failed so hard last gen because they had no variety, they were all hardcore. I dont see the problem with trying to lose that stigma. Sony has always had the support of the industry, so games CAME to them, they didnt create all these games. They are from studios they BOUGHT.......just like MS is trying to do now that they have money. Microsoft games division doesnt have access to the 250+ billion that the company is worth. That is a common misconception here. Wake up dude. The world is bigger than System Wars.
MS just cant win with you fanboys (yes, i called you one....just so there is no speculation). If they dont buy studios, they fail. Dey has no gaemz. 360 is a fail console, etc, etc, etc. If they DO buy studios, then its all negative again. They will just close them!! Just look at Rare/Ensemble/FASA!! They cant win. Not realizing that Ensemble and FASA werent producing enough to sustain themselves, and Ninty ruined Rare. If MS is so greedy as you fanboys claim, then why cant you also apply that logic here and see that they werent making money? OR, if they WERE producing quality games, then what sense does it make to close a company that is MAKING money? Hypocrisy.......
navyguy21
you openly admit that when sony was in a position of supremecy the last 2 gens, they didnt neglect their hardcore audience. they used that wealth to produce an abundance of new IPs and exclusives. and even now, when they are in third place in terms of sales, they still put out the most exclusives of any of the main consoles.
MS on the other hand, the one who is making a massive ammount of profit, is not pushing for more exclusives, at all.
it seems pretty telling to me. all gaming companies care about money, but that is ALL microsoft cares about and they have shown it over and over. from rushing the launch of a broken console onto the market, to forcing people to pay for online when 95% of them just want to play their games (which they already paid for), to whorishly selling out to the casual audience to such an extent that it puts the wii to shame, to unjustifiably raising the price of their online service. microsoft is just a terrible company and they dont give a **** about the hardcore gamers that constantly support them.
Ok, clearly you didnt understand what i typed, and CLEARLY you are a bigger fanboy than i thought...........which is sad, so i wont waste my time with you anymore. Have a good day :)you openly admit that when sony was in a position of supremecy the last 2 gens, they didnt neglect their hardcore audience. they used that wealth to produce an abundance of new IPs and exclusives. and even now, when they are in third place in terms of sales, they still put out the most exclusives of any of the main consoles.
MS on the other hand, the one who is making a massive ammount of profit, is not pushing for more exclusives, at all.
it seems pretty telling to me. all gaming companies care about money, but that is ALL microsoft cares about and they have shown it over and over. from rushing the launch of a broken console onto the market, to forcing people to pay for online when 95% of them just want to play their games (which they already paid for), to whorishly selling out to the casual audience to such an extent that it puts the wii to shame, to unjustifiably raising the price of their online service. microsoft is just a terrible company and they dont give a **** about the hardcore gamers that constantly support them.
arbitor365
microsoft is still selling 360 like hotcakes so until they struggle and are not happy with sales than they will maybe decide its time for more games.xbox360isgr8tI suppose you're happy never having any exclusives then? Only ever playing games with superior versions elsewhere?
Im talking about the companies as a whole, as in the people who make the decisions. Also, it is YOUR OPINION that Rare has fallen. Rare has developed some great games this gen. Just because they dont appeal to you doesnt mean that they have fallen. Rare are great creative minds and they have shown that. Everything they touch is quality. You dont think so because what they have produced dont appeal to you, and thats fine. But dont pretend they are Silicon Knights or some other dev. Grow up dude. Realize that the world is bigger than your world, and that people acutally like things other than what you like. Banjo was great. Viva Pinata, Kameo, PDZ, etc. MS has them working on Kinect stuff because what better dev to make casual stuff than Rare? Who else could do it? Epic? Lionhead? 343? Get real dude. MS has the right company doing the right thing. They will get back to hardcore games when they have to first party devs to support it......which they are working on now. Or should they call you and ask you for guidance?[QUOTE="White_Dreams"] Are you saying some people at these companies don't care, or are you speaking for every single person at the companies. And the reason why people are mad at MS buying rare is because of how far they have fallen.navyguy21
How do you know they don't care? kepp in mind I'm not saying they do, but how do you know for sure?
The same way you call it my opinion that rare is fallen is the same way I can say your opinion everything they touch is quality is an opinion. They went from making great popular highly rated games to kinect games. They don't need my guidence, what they need to do is try and make new core IPs so their console won't have only a couple worthwile exclusives per year.
[QUOTE="xbox360isgr8t"]microsoft is still selling 360 like hotcakes so until they struggle and are not happy with sales than they will maybe decide its time for more games.meetroid8I suppose you're happy never having any exclusives then? Only ever playing games with superior versions elsewhere? I dont understand why exclusives matter at this point in the console race though. I mean chances are, people have a console already, so the games dont need to be exclusive, not as long as they can play the game on their system. The biggest games this gen are multi. I could understand if this were 2005, and one was trying to decide which to buy. Why so much emphasis on exclusives? I mean i have a PS3, and i buy way more multiplats than i do exclusives, for either console.
Some of this is true, even when sony was at the top, they catered to the core, MS doesn't do the same.you openly admit that when sony was in a position of supremecy the last 2 gens, they didnt neglect their hardcore audience. they used that wealth to produce an abundance of new IPs and exclusives. and even now, when they are in third place in terms of sales, they still put out the most exclusives of any of the main consoles.
MS on the other hand, the one who is making a massive ammount of profit, is not pushing for more exclusives, at all.
it seems pretty telling to me. all gaming companies care about money, but that is ALL microsoft cares about and they have shown it over and over. from rushing the launch of a broken console onto the market, to forcing people to pay for online when 95% of them just want to play their games (which they already paid for), to whorishly selling out to the casual audience to such an extent that it puts the wii to shame, to unjustifiably raising the price of their online service. microsoft is just a terrible company and they dont give a **** about the hardcore gamers that constantly support them.
arbitor365
I still wonder why Americans are still buying X360's .... it's really lagging behind in exclusive content but wutever.
omho88
err,. yeah because the 360 doesn't have a huge backlog or anything, nah when you buy a console you can only play games that were made Post-Console purchase.
Going by the 360's Black Friday sales, reports that Sony is almost bankrupt, not to mention the popularity of Kinect and Kinect software, and the pending next Microsoft console.......Looks to me like Microsoft is in the best position of all three companies. Nintendo just had their worst year ever and the Wii U has been nothing but negative news for the last 6 months, Sony is once again over charging on Vita hardware, and Microsoft still gets the best 4rd party sales.
Guess we will find out in a year.
WarTornRuston
Links? Proof?
[QUOTE="meetroid8"][QUOTE="xbox360isgr8t"]microsoft is still selling 360 like hotcakes so until they struggle and are not happy with sales than they will maybe decide its time for more games.navyguy21I suppose you're happy never having any exclusives then? Only ever playing games with superior versions elsewhere? I dont understand why exclusives matter at this point in the console race though. I mean chances are, people have a console already, so the games dont need to be exclusive, not as long as they can play the game on their system. The biggest games this gen are multi. I could understand if this were 2005, and one was trying to decide which to buy. Why so much emphasis on exclusives? I mean i have a PS3, and i buy way more multiplats than i do exclusives, for either console. Why would I care about games I can play anywhere else, and often play better versions elsewhere as well? No matter how many over hyped, over rated, over budgeted, and over rehashed multiplats are released, exclusives will still be the determining factor for the quality of a system's library.
[QUOTE="omho88"]
I still wonder why Americans are still buying X360's .... it's really lagging behind in exclusive content but wutever.
DrHousesCane
err,. yeah because the 360 doesn't have a huge backlog or anything, nah when you buy a console you can only play games that were made Post-Console purchase.
The PS3 has more exclusive backlong + more exclusive future releases.
Some of this is true, even when sony was at the top, they catered to the core, MS doesn't do the same.Sony did not cater to the hardcore when they were on top. The simply bought more studios, and those studios had freedom to create what they wanted. So give them the credit. Also, MS isnt making Sony PS1 and PS2 money, nor do they have the huge market lead of those consoles. So we dont see the same kind of reaction. Devs flocked to Sony because they had a HUGE market lead, and Sony bought some of them to keep games off the other consoles. Nothing wrong with that, but lets not pretend they did it to cater to the hardcore gamers, as if the execs were sitting at the board meeting reading forums. They bought studios because they had the money, and they wanted more games to make more money. End of story. MS isnt in the same position as Sony was, even now that they are in second place. Its hard to buy established devs now because it makes more financial sense to remain 3rd party. That wasnt the case the last 2 gens. Come one dude,, what im saying is just common sense.[QUOTE="arbitor365"]
you openly admit that when sony was in a position of supremecy the last 2 gens, they didnt neglect their hardcore audience. they used that wealth to produce an abundance of new IPs and exclusives. and even now, when they are in third place in terms of sales, they still put out the most exclusives of any of the main consoles.
MS on the other hand, the one who is making a massive ammount of profit, is not pushing for more exclusives, at all.
it seems pretty telling to me. all gaming companies care about money, but that is ALL microsoft cares about and they have shown it over and over. from rushing the launch of a broken console onto the market, to forcing people to pay for online when 95% of them just want to play their games (which they already paid for), to whorishly selling out to the casual audience to such an extent that it puts the wii to shame, to unjustifiably raising the price of their online service. microsoft is just a terrible company and they dont give a **** about the hardcore gamers that constantly support them.
White_Dreams
[QUOTE="DrHousesCane"]
[QUOTE="omho88"]
I still wonder why Americans are still buying X360's .... it's really lagging behind in exclusive content but wutever.
omho88
err,. yeah because the 360 doesn't have a huge backlog or anything, nah when you buy a console you can only play games that were made Post-Console purchase.
The PS3 has more exclusive backlong + more exclusive future releases.
People can't buy both consoles/formulate an opinion on which library they prefer? Maybe their friends only have 360's and that's who they want to play with... friends... :o Maybe they're a console gamer who wants to play Left 4 Dead, Splinter Cell, Metro 2033 ect. Exclusives aren't the sole reason of console purchase. :/
[QUOTE="White_Dreams"]Some of this is true, even when sony was at the top, they catered to the core, MS doesn't do the same.Sony did not cater to the hardcore when they were on top. The simply bought more studios, and those studios had freedom to create what they wanted. So give them the credit. Also, MS isnt making Sony PS1 and PS2 money, nor do they have the huge market lead of those consoles. So we dont see the same kind of reaction. Devs flocked to Sony because they had a HUGE market lead, and Sony bought some of them to keep games off the other consoles. Nothing wrong with that, but lets not pretend they did it to cater to the hardcore gamers, as if the execs were sitting at the board meeting reading forums. They bought studios because they had the money, and they wanted more games to make more money. End of story. MS isnt in the same position as Sony was, even now that they are in second place. Its hard to buy established devs now because it makes more financial sense to remain 3rd party. That wasnt the case the last 2 gens. Come one dude,, what im saying is just common sense. They bought the studios because they wanted reasons to buy their console over other consoles. That's all that matters. They're trying and when they were in first or now in last, they haven't changed. And that's awesome and I think that's his point. MS on the other hand has just been disappointing. Instead of games, they try and get DLC before other systems....and that's supposed to replace exclusives as a reason to own their console over other consoles?[QUOTE="arbitor365"]
you openly admit that when sony was in a position of supremecy the last 2 gens, they didnt neglect their hardcore audience. they used that wealth to produce an abundance of new IPs and exclusives. and even now, when they are in third place in terms of sales, they still put out the most exclusives of any of the main consoles.
MS on the other hand, the one who is making a massive ammount of profit, is not pushing for more exclusives, at all.
it seems pretty telling to me. all gaming companies care about money, but that is ALL microsoft cares about and they have shown it over and over. from rushing the launch of a broken console onto the market, to forcing people to pay for online when 95% of them just want to play their games (which they already paid for), to whorishly selling out to the casual audience to such an extent that it puts the wii to shame, to unjustifiably raising the price of their online service. microsoft is just a terrible company and they dont give a **** about the hardcore gamers that constantly support them.
navyguy21
[QUOTE="White_Dreams"]Some of this is true, even when sony was at the top, they catered to the core, MS doesn't do the same.Sony did not cater to the hardcore when they were on top. The simply bought more studios, and those studios had freedom to create what they wanted. So give them the credit. Also, MS isnt making Sony PS1 and PS2 money, nor do they have the huge market lead of those consoles. So we dont see the same kind of reaction. Devs flocked to Sony because they had a HUGE market lead, and Sony bought some of them to keep games off the other consoles. Nothing wrong with that, but lets not pretend they did it to cater to the hardcore gamers, as if the execs were sitting at the board meeting reading forums. They bought studios because they had the money, and they wanted more games to make more money. End of story. MS isnt in the same position as Sony was, even now that they are in second place. Its hard to buy established devs now because it makes more financial sense to remain 3rd party. That wasnt the case the last 2 gens. Come one dude,, what im saying is just common sense.Regaurdless of what you think their exact motives are, point is they were in a great position profit wise and still bought studios to make games for their console when they didn't exactly need them to stay in the lead. Something Microsoft isn't really doing.[QUOTE="arbitor365"]
you openly admit that when sony was in a position of supremecy the last 2 gens, they didnt neglect their hardcore audience. they used that wealth to produce an abundance of new IPs and exclusives. and even now, when they are in third place in terms of sales, they still put out the most exclusives of any of the main consoles.
MS on the other hand, the one who is making a massive ammount of profit, is not pushing for more exclusives, at all.
it seems pretty telling to me. all gaming companies care about money, but that is ALL microsoft cares about and they have shown it over and over. from rushing the launch of a broken console onto the market, to forcing people to pay for online when 95% of them just want to play their games (which they already paid for), to whorishly selling out to the casual audience to such an extent that it puts the wii to shame, to unjustifiably raising the price of their online service. microsoft is just a terrible company and they dont give a **** about the hardcore gamers that constantly support them.
navyguy21
[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="White_Dreams"] Some of this is true, even when sony was at the top, they catered to the core, MS doesn't do the same.Sony did not cater to the hardcore when they were on top. The simply bought more studios, and those studios had freedom to create what they wanted. So give them the credit. Also, MS isnt making Sony PS1 and PS2 money, nor do they have the huge market lead of those consoles. So we dont see the same kind of reaction. Devs flocked to Sony because they had a HUGE market lead, and Sony bought some of them to keep games off the other consoles. Nothing wrong with that, but lets not pretend they did it to cater to the hardcore gamers, as if the execs were sitting at the board meeting reading forums. They bought studios because they had the money, and they wanted more games to make more money. End of story. MS isnt in the same position as Sony was, even now that they are in second place. Its hard to buy established devs now because it makes more financial sense to remain 3rd party. That wasnt the case the last 2 gens. Come one dude,, what im saying is just common sense. They bought the studios because they wanted reasons to buy their console over other consoles. That's all that matters. They're trying and when they were in first or now in last, they haven't changed. And that's awesome and I think that's his point. MS on the other hand has just been disappointing. Instead of games, they try and get DLC before other systems....and that's supposed to replace exclusives as a reason to own their console over other consoles?Now i can get behind that, and i agree. Im not excusing MS not buying more exclusive hard core games, nor am i excusing the lack of exclusive games this year (or last). I was responding from an objective point of view. Ive been lucky enough to be able to afford any thing i want this gen, so i guess it doesnt really affect me. But i still dont think exclusives are a big deal this far in the cycle. What troubles me about MS NOW is the lack of variety and lack of freedom that devs are allowed. Sony lets their devs create what they want, and it shows. Lionhead has TONS of talent, but they have only made fable this gen. Thats a travesty i think.Chutebox
Well judging from the first 2 page sof reponses it is apparent that MS's most die-hard fans are more than content knowing that thier favourite company is still making alot of money, If only MS could release NPD FPS gameevery quater.... damn it would make a killing...move over halo.
what am I talking about, that would require making a new IP....
Well judging from the first 2 page sof reponses it is apparent that MS's most die-hard fans are more than content knowing that thier favourite company is still making alot of money, If only MS could release NPD FPS gameevery quater.... damn it would make a killing...move over halo.
what am I talking about, that would require making a new IP....
Zaibach
Who needs new games to play when microsoft is making money. Games are overrated these days, its all about the NPD :P
I like the MS is destroying Sony comments, if this gens numbers are considered destroying then what did Sony do to MS last gen?
How do sales benefit you as a gamer?
Had Sony launched closer and at a resonable price, the 360 would be dead right now. You really think Sony will make the same mistakes again next gen?
Dude please do not act like Kinect is a good thing for gamers. Please. The 360 is becoming the next Wii is what it looks to me. Keep with the standard core line up (Mario, Zelda, Metriod, like Gear, Halo, Forza) but pissing on it's original fan base.Going by the 360's Black Friday sales, reports that Sony is almost bankrupt, not to mention the popularity of Kinect and Kinect software, and the pending next Microsoft console.......Looks to me like Microsoft is in the best position of all three companies. Nintendo just had their worst year ever and the Wii U has been nothing but negative news for the last 6 months, Sony is once again over charging on Vita hardware, and Microsoft still gets the best 4rd party sales.
Guess we will find out in a year.
WarTornRuston
I'd say MS is doing pretty well for themselves right now.SilverbondFor themselves, yes. I know it's a business, I'm a business man myself. But I do right by my customers. MS isnt in my opinion. Maybe the industry is changing. Maybe Sony is behind, but to me, Sony is still delivering to the same audience it did in 1995. Microsoft isnt delivering to the same audience it did in 2002 or whenever it launched. Seems to me they're more worried about the audience the Wii pioneered in 2007.
I'd say MS is doing pretty well for themselves right now.Silverbond
so is activision. It isnt much of a defense
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