Modern Warfare 2 Most Pirated game of 2009, 4.1 million downloads on the PC

[QUOTE="Jamex1987"]You really think that? The majority of PC games hit the bargain bin at $5.00 or less not too long after launch. 120K a month for several years? Ok.AdrianWerner

Which game on the PC this generation has sold ~10 million?

ZAGAV3

[QUOTE="Jamex1987"] You really think that? The majority of PC games hit the bargain bin at $5.00 or less not too long after launch. 120K a month for several years? Ok.Vandalvideo

All that comes to this conclusion:

PC games make smaller profit.

Example: Modern Warfare 2, $60, sells 5 million in a day. Lots of money.

Crysis debuts with sales that are bad, but sells over time, like SC, when it drops in price. It reaches 5 million in 2 years, makes less profit.

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But let's not talk **** here, Crysis has not hit 5 million, and never will. While Modern Warfare 2, on the other hand, sold 4.7 million in 2 regions, in its first day.

[QUOTE="ZAGAV3"]

Which game on the PC this generation has sold ~10 million?

AdrianWerner

LOL! One or two? Which possible contenders can these two be?

The obvious answer is none.

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[QUOTE="Jamex1987"]You really think that? The majority of PC games hit the bargain bin at $5.00 or less not too long after launch. 120K a month for several years? Ok.Jamex1987

EA said sold, not shipped. It's console numbers that are regularly reported as shipped. With PCgames they use sold, because there's no "shipped" status when it comes to digital distribution

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]piracy isn't stealing, it's a crime and act that's wrong from moral standpoint, but it's different crime than theft

AdrianWerner

Nobody is saying (well..nobody sane that is) that piracy is good. Nah, it's wrong and damaging to industry, but it is a different type of crime from theft

[QUOTE="Jamex1987"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]well..considering you console fanboys were making fun of crysis selling 80K in it's first month and it sold over 1,5mln overall....I would say you don't know what you're talking about

EA said sold, not shipped. It's console numbers that are regularly reported as shipped. With PCgames they use sold, because there's no "shipped" status when it comes to digital distribution

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="ZAGAV3"]

Which game on the PC this generation has sold ~10 million?

ZAGAV3

LOL! One or two? Which possible contenders can these two be?

The obvious answer is none.

All that comes to this conclusion: PC games make smaller profit. Example: Modern Warfare 2, $60, sells 5 million in a day. Lots of money. Crysis debuts with sales that are bad, but sells over time, like SC, when it drops in price. It reaches 5 million in 2 years, makes less profit. But let's not talk **** here, Crysis has not hit 5 million, and never will. While Modern Warfare 2, on the other hand, sold 4.7 million in 2 regions, in its first dayZAGAV3

Well I disagree. If I wrote a great book for example, I wouldn't care about the difference of someone taking a physical copy or just photocopying it. In either case my work was taken without my consent. I understand and agree with what you're saying about piracy != lost sales, but to me if someone is enjoying a product without paying for it, they are a filthy robber, full stop.locopatho

I'm sorry, but your personal opinions do not affect law. And sure you would care... if somebody would steal the whole shippment of your books which means even legal customers wouldn't be able to purchase your books. Don't tell me that making zero money of your work wouldn't hurt you more than loosing some potential money.

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[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]not many, maybe one or two. But I never was denying PCgames sell lower numbers(altough they offer bigger profit margins), I was just attacking your argument, which made it look like selling 10 mln is a regular occurence on consoles

AdrianWerner

LOL! One or two? Which possible contenders can these two be?

The obvious answer is none.

The Sims 2 = / = this generation.

Guitar Hero III has made more money than WoW.

I think it's sad no PC game has sold 10 million this generation, while several console games have done it. Only proves PC gaming is going down.

They deserve it for making it $60 without dedicated servers.

Also, I love how they know how many people pirated it... but no one got caught? Or did they?...

I think it's sad no PC game has sold 10 million this generation, while several console games have done it. Only proves PC gaming is going down.ZAGAV3

PC gaming clearly is dying. If this is the future of it, then I don't see PC gaming making a profit or being a serious contender in gaming business in 2010 and forward --- >

ZAGAV3

PC games make smaller profit.

ZAGAV3

Sins of Solar Empire: sold 500K copies..and costed 1mln to make

GTA4 sold 13 million copies and costed over 100mln to make.

So GTA IV sold 26 times more than Sins, while it costed 100 times more to make.

that's why hardly any developer can survive on their own on console market anymore, while PC ones have no problems with that

Which game on the PC this generation has sold ~10 million?

ZAGAV3

That doesn't matter at all. Not many games have sold 10 million PERIOD. On any system. On any generation.

Look at this list right here,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games

How many games do you see that have sold 10 million? Hmm? How many of them are released this generation?

And how many console games have been made this generation? Hundreds? Thousands?

They shouldnt have even madea pc version. And hermits are saying pc gaming is profitable!Yeah for them not the people making the games.

[QUOTE="Jamex1987"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]well..considering you console fanboys were making fun of crysis selling 80K in it's first month and it sold over 1,5mln overall....I would say you don't know what you're talking about

AdrianWerner

EA said sold, not shipped. It's console numbers that are regularly reported as shipped. With PCgames they use sold, because there's no "shipped" status when it comes to digital distribution

[QUOTE="ZAGAV3"]

PC games make smaller profit.

AdrianWerner

Sins of Solar Empire: sold 500K copies..and costed 1mln to make

GTA4 sold 13 million copies and costed over 100mln to make.

So GTA IV sold 26 times more than Sins, while it costed 100 times more to make.

that's why hardly any developer can survive on their own on console market anymore, while PC ones have no problems with that

GTA IV generated $310 million in 24 hours, so after just a day, they got back their money and an additional $210 million. Not that bad.

Guitar Hero III has made more money than WoW.

ZAGAV3

They shouldnt have even madea pc version. And hermits are saying pc gaming is profitable!Yeah for them not the people making the games.

MassiveKaos

Hypocre---oh, whatever.

Hypocrite.

Look at your avatar, shut up and look down in shame :roll:

GTA IV generated $310 million in 24 hours, so after just a day, they got back their money and an additional $210 million. Not that bad.ZAGAV3

GTA IV generated $310 million in 24 hours, so after just a day, they got back their money and an additional $210 million. Not that bad.

ZAGAV3

and while they made tons of money, this still doesn't change that profit margins in PCgamign are better. It's far easier for dev to survive in PC market than console one

[QUOTE="locopatho"]Well I disagree. If I wrote a great book for example, I wouldn't care about the difference of someone taking a physical copy or just photocopying it. In either case my work was taken without my consent. I understand and agree with what you're saying about piracy != lost sales, but to me if someone is enjoying a product without paying for it, they are a filthy robber, full stop.AdrianWerner

I'm sorry, but your personal opinions do not affect law. And sure you would care... if somebody would steal the whole shippment of your books which means even legal customers wouldn't be able to purchase your books. Don't tell me that making zero money of your work wouldn't hurt you more than loosing some potential money.

It wouldn't affect what I thought about the pirate. I wouldn't think, "O he stole my hard work but it's ok cos I can still make money from other people." I would hate his guts regardless if it's a physical copy or a copy paste job, because he stole my work.

It's not about money and I never said anything about laws, it's about doing whats right. If hundreds of people work hard and spend lots of time and money on creating a game, they obviously deserve to be paid for each copy of their work, whether physical or digital. The thought of 4 million smug little ****ers sitting in their room playing a great game that they didn't pay a cent for is sickening to me, and I don't see how they are any better than a common thief.

[QUOTE="ZAGAV3"]

Guitar Hero III has made more money than WoW.

AdrianWerner

WoW hasn't generated as much as GH3. Despite being released much later than WoW, GH3 was the first game to sell copies worth $1 billion. No other game has done this, until MW2, which will hit that mark soon.

IW Net succeeds in its curbing of piracy!

... oh wait, no it didn't.

It's not about money and I never said anything about laws, it's about doing whats right. If hundreds of people work hard and spend lots of time and money on creating a game, they obviously deserve to be paid for each copy of their work, whether physical or digital. The thought of 4 million smug little ****ers sitting in their room playing a great game that they didn't pay a cent for is sickening to me, and I don't see how they are any better than a common thief.locopatho

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[QUOTE="Jamex1987"] The amount of copies Crysis sold will never be known because all EA releases is the shipped amount. A good chunk of the shipped amount could have been returned by stores or sold in a bargain bin. There is no way to tell when it comes to PC. lowe0

EA said sold, not shipped. It's console numbers that are regularly reported as shipped. With PCgames they use sold, because there's no "shipped" status when it comes to digital distribution

When a game runs out of keys it's simply because they didn't generate enough of them, not because Valve bought to few of them

WoW hasn't generated as much as GH3. Despite being released much later than WoW, GH3 was the first game to sell copies worth $1 billion. No other game has done this, until MW2, which will hit that mark soon.ZAGAV3

WoW hasn't generated as much as GH3. Despite being released much later than WoW, GH3 was the first game to sell copiesworth $1 billion. No other game has done this, until MW2, which will hit that mark soon.

ZAGAV3

WoW also has a monthly fee. What you are saying is utterly false.

PC gaming clearly is dying. If this is the future of it, then I don't see PC gaming making a profit or being a serious contender in gaming business in 2010 and forward --- >

ZAGAV3

It wouldn't affect what I thought about the pirate. I wouldn't think, "O he stole my hard work but it's ok cos I can still make money from other people." I would hate his guts regardless if it's a physical copy or a copy paste job, because he stole my work.

locopatho

[QUOTE="ZAGAV3"]

WoW hasn't generated as much as GH3. Despite being released much later than WoW, GH3 was the first game to sell copiesworth $1 billion. No other game has done this, until MW2, which will hit that mark soon.

Mograine

WoW also has a monthly fee. What you are saying is utterly false.

No, it's not. GH3 is probably the only game to generate 1 billion, like it or not. Unless Blizzard says something else.

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[QUOTE="ZAGAV3"]

WoW hasn't generated as much as GH3. Despite being released much later than WoW, GH3 was the first game to sell copiesworth $1 billion. No other game has done this, until MW2, which will hit that mark soon.

ZAGAV3

WoW also has a monthly fee. What you are saying is utterly false.

No, it's not. GH3 is probably the only game to generate 1 billion, like it or not. Unless Blizzard says something else.

Are you joking? WoW makes almost 2 bilion dollars yearly.

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Guitar Hero III has made more money than WoW.

ZAGAV3

WoW hasn't generated as much as GH3. Despite being released much later than WoW, GH3 was the first game to sell copies worth $1 billion. No other game has done this, until MW2, which will hit that mark soon.

[QUOTE="ZAGAV3"]

[QUOTE="Mograine"]

WoW also has a monthly fee. What you are saying is utterly false.

Mograine

No, it's not. GH3 is probably the only game to generate 1 billion, like it or not. Unless Blizzard says something else.

Are you joking? WoW makes almost 2 bilion dollars yearly.

No, it doesn't.

[QUOTE="locopatho"]

It wouldn't affect what I thought about the pirate. I wouldn't think, "O he stole my hard work but it's ok cos I can still make money from other people." I would hate his guts regardless if it's a physical copy or a copy paste job, because he stole my work.

AdrianWerner

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[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]WoW makes about as much money each year as GH3 made in it's entire lifespan

AdrianWerner

WoW hasn't generated as much as GH3. Despite being released much later than WoW, GH3 was the first game to sell copies worth $1 billion. No other game has done this, until MW2, which will hit that mark soon.

What do you mean, Modern Warfare 2 earned Activision $550 million 5 days after release.

No, it doesn't.

ZAGAV3

Hahahahaahahah :lol:

No, it doesn't.

ZAGAV3

[QUOTE="ZAGAV3"]

No, it doesn't.

AdrianWerner

Where does it say it makes over 1 billion.

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

&[QUOTE="ZAGAV3"]

WoW hasn't generated as much as GH3. Despite being released much later than WoW, GH3 was the first game to sell copies worth $1 billion. No other game has done this, until MW2, which will hit that mark soon.

ZAGAV3

What do you mean, Modern Warfare 2 earned Activision $550 million 5 days after release.

Or did you think retailers are charitable foundations?

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[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]WoW makes over 1 billion each single year...in 2007 alone it earned Blizzard 1,2 billion dollars. And all that went to Blizzard pockets, while Activision would be happy to see even half of that 1billion sales

AdrianWerner

What do you mean, Modern Warfare 2 earned Activision $550 million 5 days after release.

Or did you think retailers are charitable foundations?

And how many millions do we still have left? A lot.

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="ZAGAV3"]

No, it doesn't.

ZAGAV3

Where does it say it makes over 1 billion.

"WOW's developer and publisher, Blizzard Entertainment, shot up 58 percent to reach €814 million ($1.2 billion), putting it over the billion-dollar mark for the first time in its corporate history"

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6185347.html

this should of been a chance for the PC gamers to show their not a bunch of parasites pissing in their own chips.

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="ZAGAV3"]

What do you mean, Modern Warfare 2 earned Activision $550 million 5 days after release.

ZAGAV3

Or did you think retailers are charitable foundations?

And how many millions do we still have left? A lot.

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="ZAGAV3"]

No, it doesn't.

ZAGAV3

Where does it say it makes over 1 billion.

Over 10 million monthly customers * monthly fee varying between 11 and 15 $ a month * 12 months a year?

Hello? Simple eight years old maths here?

this should of been a chance for the PC gamers to show their not a bunch of parasites pissing in their own chips.

dog_dirt

Yeah..makes sense :D