more dev support shifting to the Wii!! (bye bye next gen rofl)

Jon Goldman, chairman and chief executive of Foundation 9 Entertainment, an independent game development company, said that he was hearing a growing call for Wii games from the publishers and distributors that finance the games that his firm creates. "Publishers are saying: Instead of spending $15 million or $20 million on one PS3 game, come back to me with five or six Wii pitches," he said.


"We had one meeting two weeks ago with a publisher that was asking for Wii games," said Mr. Goldman, who declined to identify the video game publisher that he met. "Three or four months ago, they didn't want to hear Word 1 about the Wii."

"We're seeing a big shift at E3," said John Davison, editorial director of 1UP Network, a network of video game Web sites and magazines, "and we'll see more later this year." He said he was seeing some game publishers putting less emphasis on the PlayStation 3. "But they're not going to talk about that," he added."

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/17/technology/17game.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

thats to the wii our sports games and other multi platts wont take that next step like the do when all systems move to next gen.

also the wii will help the ps2 stay alive longer coz devs can just port wii type qualty games to ps2 and bam 100 mil user base to sell to.

thats to the wii our sports games and other multi platts wont take that next step like the do when all systems move to next gen.

also the wii will help the ps2 stay alive longer coz devs can just port wii type qualty games to ps2 and bam 100 mil user base to sell to.

munsoned

lol, please cry some more

can people not accept the wiis dominance?

That quote really bothers me... Heh, maybe Subrosian really wasn't all that crazy afterall. :P

I can see how this makes sense in the mind of a greedy publisher. Rather than make one good game on PS3, why not make 5 shovelware games on Wii? Wii owners have such low quality standards that you're bound to make a profit. :?Timstuff

Even shovelware games on the Wii aren't guaranteed success.

"Publishers are saying: Instead of spending $15 million or $20 million on one PS3 game, come back to me with five or six Wii pitches," he said.

That quote really bothers me... Heh, maybe Subrosian really wasn't all that crazy afterall. :P

Blue-Sphere

Don't worry im sure those five or six games will sell.

i seriously hope not, i want photorealism next gen please, its so close, look at crysis, if we stray away from graphics, only pc games will actually go to lengths to be such. Heres hoping for halflife 3.A_Gamerz_soul

Buy a PC... most of the stuff on 360 and PS3 end up on the PC... espescially with Capcom using Steam to promote their products.

Jon Goldman, chairman and chief executive of Foundation 9 Entertainment, an independent game development company, said that he was hearing a growing call for Wii games from the publishers and distributors that finance the games that his firm creates. "Publishers are saying: Instead of spending $15 million or $20 million on one PS3 game, come back to me with five or six Wii pitches," he said.


"We had one meeting two weeks ago with a publisher that was asking for Wii games," said Mr. Goldman, who declined to identify the video game publisher that he met. "Three or four months ago, they didn't want to hear Word 1 about the Wii."

"We're seeing a big shift at E3," said John Davison, editorial director of 1UP Network, a network of video game Web sites and magazines, "and we'll see more later this year." He said he was seeing some game publishers putting less emphasis on the PlayStation 3. "But they're not going to talk about that," he added."

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/17/technology/17game.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

mangobear

[QUOTE="A_Gamerz_soul"]i seriously hope not, i want photorealism next gen please, its so close, look at crysis, if we stray away from graphics, only pc games will actually go to lengths to be such. Heres hoping for halflife 3.Redgarl

Buy a PC... most of the stuff on 360 and PS3 end up on the PC... espescially with Capcom using Steam to promote their products.

hahah, the anti wii sentiment here is a bit ignorant! It's not that it takes 5 times the money to make a wii game because wii games are crap shovelware while ps3 has all the collossal epics. If it were reversed, and the wii was making the epics and ps3 was making the shovelware, games would still cost many times more to develop for the ps3.

This is like the n64 versus the psone all over again (in dev support that is). Devs abandoned the n64 because of development costs. It has nothing to do with the expectations of quality. Fact is that if a ps3 game doesn't sell, a smaller company might be bankrupted. Notice too, that generally the best quality, bigger investments on the wii are the games that are selling the best, so its not like companies are only gonig to make shovelware

(you can add 360 in with the ps3)

So what about the good impression of Dragon Warrior Sword and Umbrella Chronnicles...?

Jesus, Capcom should sell their RE4 engine to most of the Wii developpers...

Spending more than $20 million for game development is pure insanity. Thats a lot of money not guaranteed to make a profit on. I am sure a lot of big developers have lost money on expensive (and good) games. Psychonauts, Shadow of the Collosus anyone. You can make a great game (and bad ones) for a fraction.

The push towards hidef, bluray filling graphics and ever-increasing complexity in games hit a brick wall with the release of the PS3. People began to realize consoles and games were just getting too expensive to buy. Keep gaming fun, that's all that matters.

hahah, the anti wii sentiment here is a bit ignorant! It's not that it takes 5 times the money to make a wii game because wii games are crap shovelware while ps3 has all the collossal epics. If it were reversed, and the wii was making the epics and ps3 was making the shovelware, games would still cost many times more to develop for the ps3.

GunSmith1_basic

hahah, the anti wii sentiment here is a bit ignorant! It's not that it takes 5 times the money to make a wii game because wii games are crap shovelware while ps3 has all the collossal epics. If it were reversed, and the wii was making the epics and ps3 was making the shovelware, games would still cost many times more to develop for the ps3.

This is like the n64 versus the psone all over again (in dev support that is). Devs abandoned the n64 because of development costs. It has nothing to do with the expectations of quality. Fact is that if a ps3 game doesn't sell, a smaller company might be bankrupted. Notice too, that generally the best quality, bigger investments on the wii are the games that are selling the best, so its not like companies are only gonig to make shovelware

(you can add 360 in with the ps3)

GunSmith1_basic

Spending more than $20 million for game development is pure insanity. Thats a lot of money not guaranteed to make a profit on. I am sure a lot of big developers have lost money on expensive (and good) games. Psychonauts, Shadow of the Collosus anyone. You can make a great game (and bad ones) for a fraction.

gromit007

The push towards hidef, bluray filling graphics and ever-increasing complexity in games hit a brick wall with the release of the PS3. People began to realize consoles and games were just getting too expensive to buy. Keep gaming fun, that's all that matters.

gromit007

[QUOTE="subrosian"]That's absolutely horrific. So, instead of taking $15 or $20 million and making one or two really solid Wii titles, something akin to Final Fantasy X, Kingdom Hearts, or God of War 2 on the PS2, they're going to split that money amongst five or six low budget titles. Wonderful...

There are simply things that cannot be done on a budget *regardless* of what system you're on, this kind of "the Wii is where we do it cheaply" attitude disgusts me:

"Look, we'll make six cheap games, assuming they all sell mediocre, if even one of them sells well, we'll make back double our investment."

With that attitude, the third parties flood the market, and consumers are left going "uh...where's the good software?" Which leaves one of two things happening: the first is that the market crashes like it did in 1983. This is unlikely because of controls put in place to prevent that from happening again. The alternative is that consumers stop trusting third parties, and it comes back to bite them in the butt. Gamers are just going to start going "third parties suck" and relying on Nintendo's quality titles over shoddy third party ones, and third parties are going to get their well deserved market failure.
THETRUEDOZAH

A crash was more likely to come because of prohibitive console pricing, expensive games, and a push towards more complex games that alienated more people than it attracted.

Jon Goldman, chairman and chief executive of Foundation 9 Entertainment, an independent game development company, said that he was hearing a growing call for Wii games from the publishers and distributors that finance the games that his firm creates. "Publishers are saying: Instead of spending $15 million or $20 million on one PS3 game, come back to me with five or six Wii pitches," he said.


"We had one meeting two weeks ago with a publisher that was asking for Wii games," said Mr. Goldman, who declined to identify the video game publisher that he met. "Three or four months ago, they didn't want to hear Word 1 about the Wii."

"We're seeing a big shift at E3," said John Davison, editorial director of 1UP Network, a network of video game Web sites and magazines, "and we'll see more later this year." He said he was seeing some game publishers putting less emphasis on the PlayStation 3. "But they're not going to talk about that," he added."

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/17/technology/17game.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

mangobear

only a matter of time until more developers shift focus to the wii

thats what sales will do for you

Hold up...didnt you use to bash the wii constantly?

I'm pretty sure that when devs say that making games on the wii is cheaper, they are isolating all the variables. They're not saying "I was going to make a staggering, 40 hour adventure on the ps3 but instead I can make 5 minigames on the wii". Truly, none of us know so we should just assume that my little quote there is not the case.

they are only saying that they can make 5 games on thewii vs. 1 on the ps3 per dollar (probably not quite that extreme, but same idea). So yes, it would be expensive to make a great game on the wii, but it would be many times more expensive to create a game of equal greatness on the ps3.

hooray. more games to play. now, all i need is a higher end pc to ensure i can play all my wanted games not on the wii. but how strong can spore and starcraft 2 be right?bionicle_lover

Spore will need a serious machine to run, StarCraft 2 probably would run just fine on a mid range PC because it does not look like it will require a 2000 dollar machine to run. I want Unreal Tournament 3 but I also want a whole bunch of upcoming PS3 games, so I am torn between getting a new PC or a PS3 for UT3. But alas I too want Spore and SC2, but they wont be out until next year anyway I bet so I can probably hold off on getting a PC for a while.

[QUOTE="subrosian"]That's absolutely horrific. So, instead of taking $15 or $20 million and making one or two really solid Wii titles, something akin to Final Fantasy X, Kingdom Hearts, or God of War 2 on the PS2, they're going to split that money amongst five or six low budget titles. Wonderful...

There are simply things that cannot be done on a budget *regardless* of what system you're on, this kind of "the Wii is where we do it cheaply" attitude disgusts me:

"Look, we'll make six cheap games, assuming they all sell mediocre, if even one of them sells well, we'll make back double our investment."

With that attitude, the third parties flood the market, and consumers are left going "uh...where's the good software?" Which leaves one of two things happening: the first is that the market crashes like it did in 1983. This is unlikely because of controls put in place to prevent that from happening again. The alternative is that consumers stop trusting third parties, and it comes back to bite them in the butt. Gamers are just going to start going "third parties suck" and relying on Nintendo's quality titles over shoddy third party ones, and third parties are going to get their well deserved market failure.
THETRUEDOZAH

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]

hahah, the anti wii sentiment here is a bit ignorant! It's not that it takes 5 times the money to make a wii game because wii games are crap shovelware while ps3 has all the collossal epics. If it were reversed, and the wii was making the epics and ps3 was making the shovelware, games would still cost many times more to develop for the ps3.

Teufelhuhn

Just because a game is cheap to make doesn't mean it has to be simple. Just look at many of the DS games like Castlevania, Lunar Knights, and Phoenix Wright. I agree with you though dev costs have only risen by 50% this jump, which is a lot but nowhere near of what people make it out to be. I'm personally happy about this, maybe devs will start to make games built on core gameplay again and not on flair. Seems to me as tech goes up, quality gaming has been going down IMHO.

So yes, it would be expensive to make a great game on the wii, but it would be many times more expensive to create a game of equal greatness on the ps3.

GunSmith1_basic

[QUOTE="THETRUEDOZAH"][QUOTE="subrosian"]That's absolutely horrific. So, instead of taking $15 or $20 million and making one or two really solid Wii titles, something akin to Final Fantasy X, Kingdom Hearts, or God of War 2 on the PS2, they're going to split that money amongst five or six low budget titles. Wonderful...

There are simply things that cannot be done on a budget *regardless* of what system you're on, this kind of "the Wii is where we do it cheaply" attitude disgusts me:

"Look, we'll make six cheap games, assuming they all sell mediocre, if even one of them sells well, we'll make back double our investment."

With that attitude, the third parties flood the market, and consumers are left going "uh...where's the good software?" Which leaves one of two things happening: the first is that the market crashes like it did in 1983. This is unlikely because of controls put in place to prevent that from happening again. The alternative is that consumers stop trusting third parties, and it comes back to bite them in the butt. Gamers are just going to start going "third parties suck" and relying on Nintendo's quality titles over shoddy third party ones, and third parties are going to get their well deserved market failure.
subrosian

[QUOTE="gromit007"]

Spending more than $20 million for game development is pure insanity. Thats a lot of money not guaranteed to make a profit on. I am sure a lot of big developers have lost money on expensive (and good) games. Psychonauts, Shadow of the Collosus anyone. You can make a great game (and bad ones) for a fraction.

Teufelhuhn

The push towards hidef, bluray filling graphics and ever-increasing complexity in games hit a brick wall with the release of the PS3. People began to realize consoles and games were just getting too expensive to buy. Keep gaming fun, that's all that matters.

gromit007

A game is nothing if it is not fun.

Graphics are merely a bonus. It is not something gamers are entitled to. Complex gameplay has a place, but it is not with the general public. It has almost gotten to the point where major releases for the PS3 and 360 are ignored and overlooked if it doesn't run at 1080p with 5.1 surround sound. Those are not necessary for a game to be good,yet those are the things that drive dev costs up and up.

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]

So yes, it would be expensive to make a great game on the wii, but it would be many times more expensive to create a game of equal greatness on the ps3.

Teufelhuhn

Possibly, because one of the biggest things required for a good PS3 games these days is excellent graphics, and that requires more manpower, money, and time.

[QUOTE="gromit007"]

Spending more than $20 million for game development is pure insanity. Thats a lot of money not guaranteed to make a profit on. I am sure a lot of big developers have lost money on expensive (and good) games. Psychonauts, Shadow of the Collosus anyone. You can make a great game (and bad ones) for a fraction.

Teufelhuhn

The push towards hidef, bluray filling graphics and ever-increasing complexity in games hit a brick wall with the release of the PS3. People began to realize consoles and games were just getting too expensive to buy. Keep gaming fun, that's all that matters.

gromit007

A game is nothing if it is not fun.

Graphics are merely a bonus. It is not something gamers are entitled to. Complex gameplay has a place, but it is not with the general public. It has almost gotten to the point where major releases for the PS3 and 360 are ignored and overlooked if it doesn't run at 1080p with 5.1 surround sound. Those are not necessary for a game to be good,yet those are the things that drive dev costs up and up.

[QUOTE="THETRUEDOZAH"][QUOTE="subrosian"]That's absolutely horrific. So, instead of taking $15 or $20 million and making one or two really solid Wii titles, something akin to Final Fantasy X, Kingdom Hearts, or God of War 2 on the PS2, they're going to split that money amongst five or six low budget titles. Wonderful...

There are simply things that cannot be done on a budget *regardless* of what system you're on, this kind of "the Wii is where we do it cheaply" attitude disgusts me:

"Look, we'll make six cheap games, assuming they all sell mediocre, if even one of them sells well, we'll make back double our investment."

With that attitude, the third parties flood the market, and consumers are left going "uh...where's the good software?" Which leaves one of two things happening: the first is that the market crashes like it did in 1983. This is unlikely because of controls put in place to prevent that from happening again. The alternative is that consumers stop trusting third parties, and it comes back to bite them in the butt. Gamers are just going to start going "third parties suck" and relying on Nintendo's quality titles over shoddy third party ones, and third parties are going to get their well deserved market failure.
gromit007

A crash was more likely to come because of prohibitive console pricing, expensive games, and a push towards more complex games that alienated more people than it attracted.

Are you saying that a game that is great on the Wii would not be "great" on the PS3?
Teufelhuhn

A game is nothing if it is not fun.

Graphics are merely a bonus. It is not something gamers are entitled to. Complex gameplay has a place, but it is not with the general public. It has almost gotten to the point where major releases for the PS3 and 360 are ignored and overlooked if it doesn't run at 1080p with 5.1 surround sound. Those are not necessary for a game to be good,yet those are the things that drive dev costs up and up.

gromit007

you're over generalizing.The wii is not for casuals and non gamers only. Hardcore devs do not share your bias and will but a lot of deep gameplay on the wii, rest assured.GunSmith1_basic

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]

So yes, it would be expensive to make a great game on the wii, but it would be many times more expensive to create a game of equal greatness on the ps3.

Teufelhuhn

unless you mean if it were released as it were on the wii on the ps3, in which case, yes. It's all about exploiting hardware. On the ps3, if you want to stand out you have to invest piles of money programming every little detail in the game. On the wii, devs have to use their imaginations more in how to use the wiimote, and spend money on testing and researching the best way. The ps3 does not have the wii's unique hardware so it cannot duplicate thegame's experience any more than the wii could duplicate the amazing visuals in a ps3 game

nor is any Final Fantasy only enjoyable because the combat sequences are "fun".

Teufelhuhn

Because the game sucks complete butt, that's why. Final Fantasy is a franchise that's completly built off of presentation and it is games like these that are soely ruining gaming. People just don't know what makes a good video game anymore.