more dev support shifting to the Wii!! (bye bye next gen rofl)

ATTENTION SYSTEM WARS

Read more carefully! Look at the exact quote:

[QUOTE="Jon Goldman"]Publishers are saying: Instead of spending $15 million or $20 million on one PS3 game, come back to me with five or six Wii pitchesHoffgod

That is not saying that publishers are interested in making 5-6 Wii gameson $2 million budgets.

That IS saying that publishers are balking at the high prices of making a 360 or PS3 game and are more interested in hearing pitches for games on the Wii. That is entirely different from the above presumption.

Honestly, 143 replies based upon a misunderstanding of the quote. This has to be a new SW low.

So what about the good impression of Dragon Warrior Sword and Umbrella Chronnicles...?

Jesus, Capcom should sell their RE4 engine to most of the Wii developpers...

Redgarl

the res 4 engine was actually just a modified factor 5 rouge squadron engine. but if you look at how lazy developers are being the rare engine used to make star fox adventures a first gen game(not surewhat engine it was, think it was the same one used to make the conker remake and just a modified version to make kameo and perfect dark, seriously did you see the first pics of those games on the cube and then the out come on the 360. i am pretty sure it was the same engine just beefed up)looks better than most games coming out on the wii. the wii does have a few gems but for the most part it is living the first year of the ps2 tons of shovelware products.

ATTENTION SYSTEM WARS

Read more carefully! Look at the exact quote:

[QUOTE="Jon Goldman"]Publishers are saying: Instead of spending $15 million or $20 million on one PS3 game, come back to me with five or six Wii pitchesHoffgod

That is not saying that publishers are interested in making 5-6 Wii gameson $2 million budgets.

That IS saying that publishers are balking at the high prices of making a 360 or PS3 game and are more interested in hearing pitches for games on the Wii. That is entirely different from the above presumption.

Honestly, 143 replies based upon a misunderstanding of the quote. This has to be a new SW low.

That's cause the haters just want to hate rather than understand what the quote really means. There's not even an indication as to what types of games the devs are making and they automatically assume non-gamer or mini-game. For all we know they could be making the next Okami or BGE. This is why it's so funny watching them fall all over themselves trying to bash on Nintendo :lol:

hahah, the anti wii sentiment here is a bit ignorant! It's not that it takes 5 times the money to make a wii game because wii games are crap shovelware while ps3 has all the collossal epics. If it were reversed, and the wii was making the epics and ps3 was making the shovelware, games would still cost many times more to develop for the ps3.

This is like the n64 versus the psone all over again (in dev support that is). Devs abandoned the n64 because of development costs. It has nothing to do with the expectations of quality. Fact is that if a ps3 game doesn't sell, a smaller company might be bankrupted. Notice too, that generally the best quality, bigger investments on the wii are the games that are selling the best, so its not like companies are only gonig to make shovelware

(you can add 360 in with the ps3)

GunSmith1_basic

If the Wii wins the gamin' industry will be doomed , We'll never see mature games again, 90% of the games on the stores will be kiddy mini-games compilations with last gen graphics AND in THE NEXT Genreration when the ps and xbox brand die the only and dominant system is going to be a cube with ps1 graphics and a super new controller.

Is that what we want ?

[QUOTE="Hoffgod"]

ATTENTION SYSTEM WARS

Read more carefully! Look at the exact quote:

[QUOTE="Jon Goldman"]Publishers are saying: Instead of spending $15 million or $20 million on one PS3 game, come back to me with five or six Wii pitchesTeufelhuhn

That is not saying that publishers are interested in making 5-6 Wii gameson $2 million budgets.

That IS saying that publishers are balking at the high prices of making a 360 or PS3 game and are more interested in hearing pitches for games on the Wii. That is entirely different from the above presumption.

Honestly, 143 replies based upon a misunderstanding of the quote. This has to be a new SW low.

Why should they make one PS3 game if they are able to make multiple Wii games? If the Wii games turn out to be of high quality, why wouldn't it be worth it? Are you automatically assuming all Wii games that come at the expense of a PS3 game are going to be bad?

[QUOTE="Hoffgod"]

ATTENTION SYSTEM WARS

Read more carefully! Look at the exact quote:

[QUOTE="Jon Goldman"]Publishers are saying: Instead of spending $15 million or $20 million on one PS3 game, come back to me with five or six Wii pitchesTeufelhuhn

That is not saying that publishers are interested in making 5-6 Wii gameson $2 million budgets.

That IS saying that publishers are balking at the high prices of making a 360 or PS3 game and are more interested in hearing pitches for games on the Wii. That is entirely different from the above presumption.

Honestly, 143 replies based upon a misunderstanding of the quote. This has to be a new SW low.

I stand by my statement. The conversation started with people talking about publishers only being interested in making low budget Wii games (a total assumption unsupported by the TC) and spiraled out of control from there. Subtext or not, the entire thing was based on misunderstanding and assumption. It rediculous at this magnitude, even for SW.

If the Wii wins the gamin' industry will be doomed , We'll never see mature games again, 90% of the games on the stores will be kiddy mini-games compilations with last gen graphics AND inTHE NEXT Genreration when the ps and xbox brand die the only and dominant system is going to be a cube with ps1 graphics anda super new controller.

Is that what we want ?

AgentA-Mi6

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you exhibit A. Thanks :)

If the Wii wins the gamin' industry will be doomed , We'll never see mature games again, 90% of the games on the stores will be kiddy mini-games compilations with last gen graphics AND in THE NEXT Genreration when the ps and xbox brand die the only and dominant system is going to be a cube with ps1 graphics and a super new controller.

Is that what we want ?

AgentA-Mi6

I didn't know that a great game has to be M rated with blood and violence!!! thanks for enlighting me :roll:

[QUOTE="Hoffgod"]

ATTENTION SYSTEM WARS

Read more carefully! Look at the exact quote:

[QUOTE="Jon Goldman"]Publishers are saying: Instead of spending $15 million or $20 million on one PS3 game, come back to me with five or six Wii pitchesZhengi

That is not saying that publishers are interested in making 5-6 Wii gameson $2 million budgets.

That IS saying that publishers are balking at the high prices of making a 360 or PS3 game and are more interested in hearing pitches for games on the Wii. That is entirely different from the above presumption.

Honestly, 143 replies based upon a misunderstanding of the quote. This has to be a new SW low.

That's cause the haters just want to hate rather than understand what the quote really means. There's not even an indication as to what types of games the devs are making and they automatically assume non-gamer or mini-game. For all we know they could be making the next Okami or BGE. This is why it's so funny watching them fall all over themselves trying to bash on Nintendo :lol:

GeOW only took like 9 million to make. Low budget =/= bad game

NATATO

[QUOTE="subrosian"]Gamers are just going to start going "third parties suck" and relying on Nintendo's quality titles over shoddy third party onesShinobishyguy

Yes, but that's a sucky situation to be in. Last generation third parties made some great titles early on for the Gamecube, and then they left after Nintendo fans stopped supporting them. This generation, they're making some low-budget non-traditional gamer focused titles, and they'll leave after they oversaturate the market. At least with the GCN, you had the quality titles like Rogue Squadron and Eternal Darkness come in before the third parties failed.
subrosian

Excellent post. But you forget that the only people who will be greatly effected by this will be hardcore Nintendo fans and they are used to this kind of treatment. Gamers who bought the PS3 or 360 are safe in the knowledge that the epic games (the ones being funded by these minigame colellections) will all come to their system, and if your hypothesis is correct then third parties will abandon the Wii in droves once the minigame market becomes saturated anyways. Gamers never miss out

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

Yes, but that's a sucky situation to be in. Last generation third parties made some great titles early on for the Gamecube, and then they left after Nintendo fans stopped supporting them. This generation, they're making some low-budget non-traditional gamer focused titles, and they'll leave after they oversaturate the market. At least with the GCN, you had the quality titles like Rogue Squadron and Eternal Darkness come in before the third parties failed.
NorthlandMan

Excellent post. But you forget that the only people who will be greatly effected by this will be hardcore Nintendo fans and they are used to this kind of treatment. Gamers who bought the PS3 or 360 are safe in the knowledge that the epic games (the ones being funded by these minigame colellections) will all come to their system, and if your hypothesis is correct then third parties will abandon the Wii in droves once the minigame market becomes saturated anyways. Gamers never miss out

yes because 3rd party will only make minigames for the wii :roll:

[QUOTE="NATATO"]

GeOW only took like 9 million to make. Low budget =/= bad game

subrosian

that $10 million figure didn't include the cost of building the engine and advertising. It was a figure used to promote the unreal engine.

mangobear, thanks for admitting the Wii isn't next gen.

mangobear, thanks for admitting the Wii isn't next gen.

CR00K

The Wii is current gen :?

Okay, I don't want to be a jerk and say "not much" but umm... what does software engineering have to do with the digital media business?

subrosian

[QUOTE="bionicle_lover"]hooray. more games to play. now, all i need is a higher end pc to ensure i can play all my wanted games not on the wii. but how strong can spore and starcraft 2 be right?DSgamer64

Spore will need a serious machine to run, StarCraft 2 probably would run just fine on a mid range PC because it does not look like it will require a 2000 dollar machine to run. I want Unreal Tournament 3 but I also want a whole bunch of upcoming PS3 games, so I am torn between getting a new PC or a PS3 for UT3. But alas I too want Spore and SC2, but they wont be out until next year anyway I bet so I can probably hold off on getting a PC for a while.

yes because 3rd party will only make minigames for the wii :roll:

Ontain

Not in all cases. But the ratio of crappy minigames and licensed games to decent efforts is huge

I already told you to stop putting my words in my mouth. Did I say anything at all about "hardcore games" or "damaging the industry"?

Teufelhuhn

Earlier you were arguing with gunsmith and it seemed that you stated that a game developed on the Wii would be worse for it then the PS3, it may have seemed that I misunderstood the statement, after all it WAS 2 am when I was previously in this thread. If that is the case then I apologize for my tiredness.

About somehow all of those games are "terrible" and "not hardcore" according to some arbitrary standards you've set.

Teufelhuhn

I was just giving and agreeing with my opinion to the poster above and replying to him. Idk why you make such a big deal about this.

[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="mangobear"][QUOTE="Dencore"]

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

Okay, I don't want to be a jerk and say "not much" but umm... what does software engineering have to do with the digital media business?
mangobear

Should I put this in my sig.?

it would bea pretty silly sig. how does being a software engineer make you an authority in media business? I think you have to clarify the connection between software engineer and media business

Thats how you seperate a good debater from a bad one: one doesn't need to degrade the other in order to win an argument ;)

But Subrosian I have to congratulate you on your arguments - you were able to articulate very clearly what a lot of people were feeling. Reading your posts is a breath of fresh air in this forum, keep on keeping bro ;)

"A software development kit (SDK or "devkit") is typically a set of development tools that allows a software engineer to create applications for a certain software package, software framework, hardware platform, computer system, video game console,operating system, or similar."

OWNED

Like I said sig. worthy.

[QUOTE="mangobear"][QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="mangobear"][QUOTE="Dencore"]

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

Okay, I don't want to be a jerk and say "not much" but umm... what does software engineering have to do with the digital media business?
Dencore

Should I put this in my sig.?

it would bea pretty silly sig. how does being a software engineer make you an authority in media business? I think you have to clarify the connection between software engineer and media business

Thats how you seperate a good debater from a bad one: one doesn't need to degrade the other in order to win an argument ;)

But Subrosian I have to congratulate you on your arguments - you were able to articulate very clearly what a lot of people were feeling. Reading your posts is a breath of fresh air in this forum, keep on keeping bro ;)

"A software development kit (SDK or "devkit") is typically a set of development tools that allows a software engineer to create applications for a certain software package, software framework, hardware platform, computer system, video game console,operating system, or similar."

OWNED

Like I said sig. worthy.

Let me let you in on a little secret: you let others tell you when you've "owned" someone else ;) It comes off as desperate where you need to say it.

And what the hell does that quote proove?When people talk about"digital media business", they're refering to the "business" side of things, not the developing side. That can include thinks like marketing, stocks and so forth. So again, you've failed to make the connection between being a software engineer andhow that makes oneanauthority in digital media business.

"

^^^What? You guys *at least he originally was* were talking about downloadable games. Why the heck would you be talking about something that isn't about videogames in a gaming forum. :|

Not only that, but saying that software engineers have nothing to do with the digital media business in general is even a bigger ownage.

^^^What? You guys were talking about downloadable games. Why the heck would you be talking about something that isn't about videogames in a gaming forum. :|

Not only that, but saying that software engineers have nothing to do with the digital media business in general is even a bigger ownage.

Dencore

Sig Worthy 8)

[QUOTE="Dencore"]

^^^What? You guys were talking about downloadable games. Why the heck would you be talking about something that isn't about videogames in a gaming forum. :|

Not only that, but saying that software engineers have nothing to do with the digital media business in general is even a bigger ownage.

mangobear

Sig Worthy 8)

:roll: w/e I'm done with this thread.

[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]you're over generalizing.The wii is not for casuals and non gamers only. Hardcore devs do not share your bias and will but a lot of deep gameplay on the wii, rest assured.GunSmith1_basic

I'll admit this much: it is possible that the wii could turn out the way you say. I heard project hammer was cancelled so the studio could make casual games, and that the next zelda will be casualized. I also hear that nintendo is getting concerned because miyamoto has upped the difficulty on galaxy to the point where it will be the hardest mario game ever made. In the end, you would have to believe a lot of rumour to get caught up in this kind of specualation anyway.