More proof that Windows 7 isn't worth it

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

That's interesting. I wasn;t aware of that. The memory usage isn't such a big deal if you're running 4gb, which isn't expensive nowadays. However, i'm not sure what its like on 2gb or even 1gb systems.

ispyamoose

That's pretty good to know. It's also not surprising a large company like MS would do that, any company will do anything to those not in the know.

I know when I built mine that I knew I was going to use 4gb. It's just crazy that's it's not really overkill anymore.

Windows 7 > Vista when it comes to older hardware. With relatively new/high end hardware, you won't see much performance difference.

My main gripe with Vista was UAC and the annoyance factor. This is tuneable of course, but Windows 7 does a much nicer job "out of the box" with being informative without being annoying.

Windows 7 also has a nicer user interface and a MUCH better Media Center experience. AeroSnap and AeroPeek are awesome additions. The taskbar is great as well and YES, they stole a LOT from MacOSX, but I can't complain...I'd rather have stolen stuff than no stuff at all.

Certain services such as "TrustedInstaller" have also been "toned down" to take up less resources when it runs on Windows 7 than on Vista where it was commonplace for that single service to peg your CPU at 100%.

Those who are saying Windows 7 should have just been a service pack to Vista...that's impossible because Windows 7 is an entirely different kernel than Vista...rewritten core.

Basically, if you have Vista, you might as well be running Windows ME. Vista isn't the buggy pos that ME was, but I doubt you will see much new in terms of drivers, software, etc that will support Vista and everyone is jumping on the 7 bandwagon. And due to the core/kernel difference between Vista and 7, it's not like the software "designed" for 7 will work on Vista.

Bottomline...if you are running Vista, you best upgrade to 7 asap because you WILL be left behind.

Windows 7 is the by far the best windows to date, and the best non-server OS too.

Windows 7 blows Vista out of the water and XP. I am judging this base on my use of it. Tjeremiah1988

heh I like it overal. Wouldn't spend money on it though.

I have it for free(legal copy) and i think its better than vista and xp so far

just not that much better

I have been using it for a while now and I have had no problems, all games work without a problem, there is no decrease in performance when compared to xp.

Anyone who says Windows 7 isn't worth it either hasn't used it, or is just too stubborn to admit the truth.

Bottomline...if you are running Vista, you best upgrade to 7 asap because you WILL be left behind.

edward2332

[QUOTE="ispyamoose"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Vista was and still is marred from it's release. It's a shame, as it wasn't THAT bad. I have it running great now, but it took way more effort than it should have.

Plus it's a memory hog.

lundy86_4

That's interesting. I wasn;t aware of that. The memory usage isn't such a big deal if you're running 4gb, which isn't expensive nowadays. However, i'm not sure what its like on 2gb or even 1gb systems.

Windows 7 is a waste. Sure there are some optimizations here and there, but ultimately the new taskbar and the "libraries"(the biggest additions) are too cumbersome to use and you can't change that. My workflow using Windows Vista/XP is much faster because I can do much more with less clicks, in Windows 7 instead of doing a simple click to bring up a window you have to clikc the icon in the taskbar then click again on the preview to bring it up, it's too time consuming. And the new "Favorite Links" section in Windows Explorer is now a mess, in Vista you had a couple of simple folders you use the most(pictures, videos, downloads, etc) that you could organize easily , with Win7 it's now bloated with all the folders on your PC that you can't hide(but in Vista you could) and the Libraries which are, like the Taskbar, too time consuming to use.

The only notable features Win7 has are the Slideshow wallpapers, along with fully customizable themes, the new Aero feaures(Shake, Windows Border Autoadjust and to some extent, previews) are actually pretty cool but really are all gimmicks that you'll never use, except for the Autoadjust feature that is pretty useful when working with many documents. Also the border of windows are now slightly bigger which take a more space if they're not maximized, and make smaller screens less productive.nintendog66

Ummm, it only takes one click to bring up a window. If you only have 1 open, clicking on the icon will bring it up, and if you have multiple simply hovering over it will bring up a preview. If you want to speed up the preview speed, it's easy to tweak.

Aero Peek and it's implementation with Preview in the new superbar is lightyears ahead of Vista's UI imo, and if you don't like it, just head to taskbar properties and you get your old Vistabar back. :|

I don't know about you, but I've found Libraries to be a huge timesaver. Being able to organize files on multiple drives saves me from having to hunt them down every time I need something. Likewise with the sidemenu.

, in Windows 7 instead of doing a simple click to bring up a window you have to clikc the icon in the taskbar then click again on the preview to bring it upnintendog66

[QUOTE="pitty8982"]

I've been using Windows 7 for about 1 month and it's 100 times better than Vista.

You gain in performance, even the games run a bit better than on Vista.

Vista just sucked.

Bebi_vegeta

Every benchmark i've seen, says otherwise...

This sound like the people are trying to justify there purchase!!!!

I could care less to impress other since I got the student deal (:p) didnt have to cough up 200 +, on 30 dollars and I can tell you, Windows 7 is > Vista and XP by far. Tjeremiah1988

Yeah, I got it for free :) So far, very happy with upgrading.

@techrepublic "Taskbar changes: The default installation of Windows 7 includes a drastic change to the behavior of the Windows Taskbar and it's not a change for the better. While there are ways to tweak the Taskbar's behavior to make it pretty useful, most users will never change the defaults and they'll be stuck having to make more clicks and spend more time scanning to find things that were fast and simple in Windows XP. For example, I often have multiple message windows open in Microsoft Outlook, and in XP I could quickly get to the one I needed with a single click because they were all shown on the taskbar. In Windows 7, I have to click the Outlook icon and then make a second click on the item - if I can identify it among the group of useless thumbnails of all the Outlook items I have open. Ultimately, the new default Taskbar feels like a poor knock-off of the Dock in Mac OS X and it feels like it's skewing the Windows design toward light users who only use a handful of apps, at the expense of heavy users who typically have lots of apps and windows open."

It's not just me.

And no... it;s not possible to make the taskbar work like Vista/XP, yes you can make it look like the previous taskbar but i still has the same funtionality.

[QUOTE="donalbane"][QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"]Windows 7 blows Vista out of the water and XP. I am judging this base on my use of it. blue_hazy_basic

It's not just me.

And no... it;s not possible to make the taskbar work like Vista/XP, yes you can make it look like the previous taskbar but i still has the same funtionality.

nintendog66

Taskbar Properties > Never Combine + Use Small Icons

You can even put the Quick Launch buttons back on there. How is that any different? :?

And here I thought it was going to be a minimalist OS designed with gamers in mind.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Over time though, I think it could be made to rival XP, given the right updates 8)

gamer620

Exactly. Windows 7 is just a relaunch of Vista.

Windows Vista = 6.0

Windows "7" = 6.1

Stop drinking the kool-aid people!

I think Windows 7 is a waste because my Vista works perfectly fine for everything that I want it to do, which is basic computing, games and audio production. My computer stays on for weeks without crashing and if it does crash it's just a program rather than the actual OS coming to a stand still. The only bad thing about Vista is the permission pop-ups... which I disabled as soon as I got my laptop.

I think most people hate Vista because their favorite blogger told them to rather than actual bad experiences with the OS.

Windows Vista = 6.0 Windows "7" = 6.1 Stop drinking the kool-aid people!skektek

Using this logic, that must mean the next WoW patch (3.3) won't have anything new from the current build (3.2.2)!!! :roll:

[QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"]Windows 7 blows Vista out of the water and XP. I am judging this base on my use of it. lundy86_4

How is the UI? I wanted to try the beta, but didn't want to install it on my gaming rig.

windows 7 is excellent, faster, and just has a better design and tools. Its a go, only going to get better.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"]Windows 7 blows Vista out of the water and XP. I am judging this base on my use of it. PrimusGears

How is the UI? I wanted to try the beta, but didn't want to install it on my gaming rig.

windows 7 is excellent, faster, and just has a better design and tools. Its a go, only going to get better.

Sweet. i can pick up licence for $40 in Canada because i'm still a student at uni. Awesome.

[QUOTE="nintendog66"]

It's not just me.

And no... it;s not possible to make the taskbar work like Vista/XP, yes you can make it look like the previous taskbar but i still has the same funtionality.

metroidfood

Taskbar Properties > Never Combine + Use Small Icons

You can even put the Quick Launch buttons back on there. How is that any different? :?

[QUOTE="metroidfood"]

[QUOTE="nintendog66"]

It's not just me.

And no... it;s not possible to make the taskbar work like Vista/XP, yes you can make it look like the previous taskbar but i still has the same funtionality.

nintendog66

Taskbar Properties > Never Combine + Use Small Icons

You can even put the Quick Launch buttons back on there. How is that any different? :?

[QUOTE="nintendog66"]

[QUOTE="nintendog66"]

Taskbar Properties > Never Combine + Use Small Icons

You can even put the Quick Launch buttons back on there. How is that any different? :?

bleehum

He is using it. That's the only problem I see.

I ran WoW and TF2 on the W7 Beta, and in comparison to Vista, I got a good 10 FPS increase...princeofshapeir

Doesn't graphics performance have more to do with the video drivers, rather than the operating system? Sure, the operating system is one aspect of graphics performance, but Vista and 7 are quite similar.

[QUOTE="bleehum"][QUOTE="nintendog66"] Yup I tried that, you still have to do an unnecesarry number of clicks to where you want to go.tempest91

He is using it. That's the only problem I see.

[QUOTE="tempest91"]

[QUOTE="bleehum"] Dunno what's up with yours, then.bleehum

He is using it. That's the only problem I see.

I know and so am I. That's why if you take you, me, and Windows 7out of the equation. What's left?

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Windows 7, is in fact, Windows Vista SP3, or as I've recently taken to calling it, Mojave Experiment 2.0. Windows 7 is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another marketing scheme by Microsoft to trick users into trying Vista, a full OS as defined by Microsoft. Many computer users run a modified version of Vista every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of Vista which is widely used is often called "Windows 7," and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the Vista system, developed by Microsoft. There really is a Windows 7, and these people are using it, but it is just part of the system they use. Windows 7 is the Graphical User Interface; the program in the system that lets idiots click on things and think they know how a computer works. The Graphical User Interface is an essential part of an operating system that was made for retards, but useless by itself; it can only appear to have a function in the context of the user not knowing how their OS works. The Windows 7 GUI is normally used in combination with the Vista operating system; the whole system is basically Windows Vista with shinier buttons added. All the so called "Windows 7" users are really users of Windows Vista SP3.RichardStallman

Truly orignial anti-windows 7 nonsense. I guess all the slight overhauls for linux and OS X are the same then. Just "shinier buttons" splashed on an OS "that was made for retards". Bravo sir. Bravo. No one is saying that Windows 7 is revolutionary, because it isn't. It's just as you said; an update and an improvement over Windows Vista.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="pitty8982"] no, I just tried it myself. I had Vista and Xp before. Already Xp was much better than Vista, I tell you. Well try it yourself if you don't believe me/us.donalbane

Look, i've seen more then one benchmark saying the same story... BENCHMARKS, having the same gaming performance Win7 and Vista.

I'm talking about vista... but go ahead and post your benchmarks.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Windows 7 performs the same or better than Windows XP and it supports tons of new technologies (including DX11).

donalbane

Even Vista was better then Xp gaming wise...

Right... everything runs magicaly fine on Win7...

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Every benchmark i've seen, says otherwise...

This sound like the people are trying to justify there purchase!!!!

metroidfood

Actually, I'd say this is the first benchmark test I've seen that doesn't show a significant upgrade from Vista (and even then, it's pretty much on par).

Usually, they tend to turn out more like this (http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=22006). Or this (http://www.maximumpc.com/article/reviews/windows_7_review?page=0%2C3). Or even this (http://www.hardcoreware.net/windows-7-vs-vista-performance-comparison/8/).

Your first link has nothing mentionning about gaming...

Your second link says they are equal...

Your third says, a low resolution (which is bottlenecking the CPU) says Win7 is better... it's kinda of bad useless review there...

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="pitty8982"]

I've been using Windows 7 for about 1 month and it's 100 times better than Vista.

You gain in performance, even the games run a bit better than on Vista.

Vista just sucked.

Tjeremiah1988

Every benchmark i've seen, says otherwise...

This sound like the people are trying to justify there purchase!!!!

As of gaming wise, it's not better then vista... this is my argument.

http://www.anandtech.com/systems/showdoc.aspx?i=3666&p=1

To get to the benchmarks, just scroll down and click on the "Article Index" dropdown.

The benchmarks tell the story of why Windows 7 is a waste, at least at this point in time. It's just a shame that Microsoft could not have improved on Vista, because Vista either outperforms (or is on par with) Windows 7 on most of the benchmarks. All Windows 7 is is a piece of hype (place whatever word you choose in place of hype).

And just for laughs, Lil Wayne has even bashed Microsoft and Windows Vista in one of his latest songs. The lyrics are: "I leave the pu**y Microsoft like Windows Vista." Skip to 3:14 to hear it for yourself - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3op9t0aBvg

ispyamoose

[QUOTE="RichardStallman"]I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Windows 7, is in fact, Windows Vista SP3, or as I've recently taken to calling it, Mojave Experiment 2.0. Windows 7 is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another marketing scheme by Microsoft to trick users into trying Vista, a full OS as defined by Microsoft. Many computer users run a modified version of Vista every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of Vista which is widely used is often called "Windows 7," and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the Vista system, developed by Microsoft. There really is a Windows 7, and these people are using it, but it is just part of the system they use. Windows 7 is the Graphical User Interface; the program in the system that lets idiots click on things and think they know how a computer works. The Graphical User Interface is an essential part of an operating system that was made for retards, but useless by itself; it can only appear to have a function in the context of the user not knowing how their OS works. The Windows 7 GUI is normally used in combination with the Vista operating system; the whole system is basically Windows Vista with shinier buttons added. All the so called "Windows 7" users are really users of Windows Vista SP3.tempest91

Truly orignial anti-windows 7 nonsense. I guess all the slight overhauls for linux and OS X are the same then. Just "shinier buttons" splashed on an OS "that was made for retards". Bravo sir. Bravo. No one is saying that Windows 7 is revolutionary, because it isn't. It's just as you said; an update and an improvement over Windows Vista.

The difference is that Linux distributions/upgrades are free, and the Mac OS is not nearly as expensive as Windows is. Up until now, Microsoft didn't even offer a family pack, so that several computers in a household could be upgraded for a discount. It's ridiculous for a company to expect people to pay full price for what should have been a service pack for Vista. If a company releases a new upgrade or version, people expect it to be different. Can you name something revolutionary that Windows 7 has introduced to the line of Microsoft operating systems? I thought so.