Most over rated character

Who actually thinks MC is a good character? The poll results are silly. Correct answer is Gordon Freeman, the blank slate mute who can hardly be considered a "character" at all.

jjccjj92

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Who actually thinks MC is a good character? The poll results are silly. Correct answer is Gordon Freeman, the blank slate mute who can hardly be considered a "character" at all.

millerlight89

Gordon Freeman. Not sure why people like him, he looks like a massive nerd.

Grawse

Gordon Freeman. PoS character with no character and personality. About as exciting as a cardboard box. Atleast Link grunts every now and then.II_Seraphim_II

I love the facial expressions Toon Link has in Wind Waker, Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks.:P At least it gets him... some where.:P

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Who actually thinks MC is a good character? The poll results are silly. Correct answer is Gordon Freeman, the blank slate mute who can hardly be considered a "character" at all.

millerlight89

the polls are slightly incorrect...it's Master *Chef.

he's here to kick *** and make pancakes...and he's all out of *** to kick

[QUOTE="millerlight89"][QUOTE="jjccjj92"]

Who actually thinks MC is a good character? The poll results are silly. Correct answer is Gordon Freeman, the blank slate mute who can hardly be considered a "character" at all.

jjccjj92

Gordon Freeman. PoS character with no character and personality. About as exciting as a cardboard box. Atleast Link grunts every now and then.II_Seraphim_II

.. Gordon Freeman isn't a character he is a avatar to you.. Or did you think it was in the storyline that he was passive and mute?

Gordon Freeman. PoS character with no character and personality. About as exciting as a cardboard box. Atleast Link grunts every now and then.II_Seraphim_II

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"]Gordon Freeman. PoS character with no character and personality. About as exciting as a cardboard box. Atleast Link grunts every now and then.lbjkurono23

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

And :lol: at people praising Freeman as a narrative device and then bashing the Chief. They do exactly the same time. Silent protagonist that the player projects on. The Chief only talks when it is necessary to advance the plot, and he only says things the player would say anyway. It's a far better system than Freeman, imo, but Valve does know how to define Freeman's character with Half-Life's supporting cast.

skrat_01

Chief has a character, and a personality; Bungie very specifically removes that during gameplay. When the game breaks into cutscenes of any sort, Chief's character comes into play.

Or well, lack of character.

It's certainly not entirely projection.

Gordon Freeman is pretty pure projection, sure it's no "lost soul" from The Void, hover even the Doom Guy has more character. Irony is Half Life's narrative is light years ahead of Halo's despite the protagonist of the said game(s) actually being voiced, and having an established character.

Though you do have a point, Alyx for instance is very intentionally focused on in HL2 to drive any sense of character struggle in the narrative; something which the 'Gordon character' is completely incapable of.

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[QUOTE="millerlight89"] Seems like most think he is a bad character. So I don't see how the poll results are silly.millerlight89

[QUOTE="millerlight89"][QUOTE="jjccjj92"]No? Maybe you should examine the meaning of 'overrated' and get back to me then.

jjccjj92

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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

And :lol: at people praising Freeman as a narrative device and then bashing the Chief. They do exactly the same time. Silent protagonist that the player projects on. The Chief only talks when it is necessary to advance the plot, and he only says things the player would say anyway. It's a far better system than Freeman, imo, but Valve does know how to define Freeman's character with Half-Life's supporting cast.

DarkLink77

Chief has a character, and a personality; Bungie very specifically removes that during gameplay. When the game breaks into cutscenes of any sort, Chief's character comes into play.

Or well, lack of character.

It's certainly not entirely projection.

Gordon Freeman is pretty pure projection, sure it's no "lost soul" from The Void, hover even the Doom Guy has more character. Irony is Half Life's narrative is light years ahead of Halo's despite the protagonist of the said game(s) actually being voiced, and having an established character.

Though you do have a point, Alyx for instance is very intentionally focused on in HL2 to drive any sense of character struggle in the narrative; something which the 'Gordon character' is completely incapable of.

Sorry Halo's universe books included is quite shallow to scifi universes such as Star wars and Warhammer 40k which games have spun off of for decades.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]

Master Chief.

If you're going to give your character independence outside of player control, his own voice and personality....
Then actually do it well instead of a mute, generic soldier, who is completely indistinguishable from any other mute military type, apart from the combat armour.

Honestly, what distinguishes his character against every other game or popular fiction character, even action, other than the iconic armour?

Absolutely nothing.

The_Game21x

Well, that's the thing. The Master Chief is that iconic armor. The two are inseperable in the sense that one cannot and does not exist without the other. We never see The Master Chief outside of his armor, hell, we never even see his face. In that sense, his armor is his face. It is how he is recognized and is displayed at all times during the series. I agree with you that the Master Chief is a wholly generic character aside from his iconic looks but you really can't talk about the Master Chief and his armor as if they're separate entities. The Arbiter was a far more interesting character than the Master Chief. It's just a shame that his levels were so bloody awful in Halo 2.

i loved the arbiter, they could have done better with his stories imo

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]No not at all.

Chief has a character, and a personality; Bungie very specifically removes that during gameplay. When the game breaks into cutscenes of any sort, Chief's character comes into play.

Or well, lack of character.

It's certainly not entirely projection.

Gordon Freeman is pretty pure projection, sure it's no "lost soul" from The Void, hover even the Doom Guy has more character. Irony is Half Life's narrative is light years ahead of Halo's despite the protagonist of the said game(s) actually being voiced, and having an established character.

Though you do have a point, Alyx for instance is very intentionally focused on in HL2 to drive any sense of character struggle in the narrative; something which the 'Gordon character' is completely incapable of.

sSubZerOo

Sorry Halo's universe books included is quite shallow to scifi universes such as Star wars and Warhammer 40k which games have spun off of for decades.

First character to come to mind was Kratos, a whiny, selfish little twit unable to take responsibility for his own actions. Why people like him, I'll never understand. "But he kills dudes and loves classy women tenderly!" you say? Yes, but he does too much whining and moaning so he can't get away with a "badass" image no matter however much the games wants to make this true, and he can't get away as a sympathetic hero because he's an a******.

Another is Master Chief. Maybe he gets better in later games (I doubt this greatly), but from what I've seen he's the stereotypical space marine character, and not in a good way. Rarely talks and when he does it's nothing noteworthy. Also, his armor looks like crap.

Slashkice

why does Kratos require some sort of ulterior motive in order to do what he does? he had a goal set in mind, and generally gave a giant "**** you" to anyone who stood as an obstacle to his rage.

he's a man who gets what he wants. fortunately, that happened to be Zeus' head in this situation.

edit: and the general misconception is that GOW2=the start of Kratos' vengeance. when in actuality it started when his brother Deimos was kidnapped by Athena (who also happens to be his half sister) and Ares, under false pretense that his sibling was the marked warrior, when he himself was actually the culprit.

Freeman isn't a character, but he isn't an avatar either.

Freeman lacks any characterization, but he also doesn't offer much in the way of developing his persona. Commander Shepard is an avatar. I can begin to shape out his motivations, his backstory, and his persona. Freeman merely exists as a husk really. Without reading about his character on the internet, he could have been anyone as far as I'm concerned.

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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] The Chief doesn't really have a personality outside of the books. He can be a bit sarcastic and banter a bit with Cortana, but a large part of the Chief's character is dependent on the player's projection onto him, and the other character's reaction to him. Valve just does it better in Half-Life 2 than Bungie does in Halo, though it is worth noting that Valve stepped their game up significantly between Half-Life and Half-Life 2 in that regard, and I think Halo was an influence. Storytelling, perhaps. Halo obliterates Half-Life (and most other video game narratives, honestly) if we take the EU into account. There's just far too much of it to fit in game, though the Terminals and the like that are hidden in the games do an excellent job of advancing Halo's lore. I guarantee you that most people who bash Halo's story, even the stories in the games, don't actually know the full extent of what's going on (the Terminals add A LOT to Halo 3). But yeah, Alyx is probably the best plot device that Valve ever added to Half-Life.DarkLink77

Sorry Halo's universe books included is quite shallow to scifi universes such as Star wars and Warhammer 40k which games have spun off of for decades.

.. Warhammer 40k has a great deal of video games both out and coming out.. Yet again to suggest that Halo, a FPS, is god of storylines is ridiculous..

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Sorry Halo's universe books included is quite shallow to scifi universes such as Star wars and Warhammer 40k which games have spun off of for decades.

sSubZerOo

.. Warhammer 40k has a great deal of video games both out and coming out.. Yet again to suggest that Halo, a FPS, is god of storylines is ridiculous..

then you factor in the events that subsequently happened before Zeus was ever infected with the evils of Pandora's Box, and you see his entire life was generally a play thing for the gods (ever read the comics? Ares' chose Kratos as his champion, despite Kratos wanting nothing to do with the gods, and his mind currently occupied with saving his daughter Calliope from a fatal illness) before he ever even trifled in their matters.

frankly, people need to educate themselves before attempting to criticize a character, especially in a literary sense. the culmination of Kratos' rage climaxed at the end of GOW2:

- his brother being taken by his half sister under the delusions of the same prophet who would later go on curse him to wear the ashes of his slain family (who Ares' tricked into slaughtering under the guise of illusion) long after he matured from his youth.

- Ares forcing Kratos under his tutelage (GOW comics), even while he was only a fledging Spartan warrior.

- Zeus ploying Kratos into killing his mother, who has been bullied, tortured and imprisoned for a large majority of her life. so as she might not reveal his identity as Kratos' father.

the list goes onward.

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[QUOTE="skrat_01"]

Master Chief.

If you're going to give your character independence outside of player control, his own voice and personality....
Then actually do it well instead of a mute, generic soldier, who is completely indistinguishable from any other mute military type, apart from the combat armour.

Honestly, what distinguishes his character against every other game or popular fiction character, even action, other than the iconic armour?

Absolutely nothing.

eboyishere

Well, that's the thing. The Master Chief is that iconic armor. The two are inseperable in the sense that one cannot and does not exist without the other. We never see The Master Chief outside of his armor, hell, we never even see his face. In that sense, his armor is his face. It is how he is recognized and is displayed at all times during the series. I agree with you that the Master Chief is a wholly generic character aside from his iconic looks but you really can't talk about the Master Chief and his armor as if they're separate entities. The Arbiter was a far more interesting character than the Master Chief. It's just a shame that his levels were so bloody awful in Halo 2.

i loved the arbiter, they could have done better with his stories imo

I agree with you there. Perhaps Bungie should've pulled a Kojima Productions or Capcom and made The Arbiter the main character of Halo 2, only having the Chief pop up in a couple of levels, perhaps at the very beginning and very end. As long as they did a better job with level design (gawd Halo 2's campaign was bad in that regard), they would've had time to further delve into his character, which should've been explored better since the Arbiter is the only legitimately decent character the Halo series has to offer besides maybe Cortana.

Kratos.

...and here it is:

take into mind this is long before Kratos ever began his rampage against the barbarians, and during the quest for ambrosia to save his sickly daughter.

they've basically ****ed with him his entire life. i suggest for anyone who hasn't to read these comics, and then go back and play God of War 3. it makes the game oh-so-more satisifying.

Gordon Freeman, sure he's not your typical marine but he's still nothing special. His silence does nothing to overcome this.

Kratos, he is not badass, he is a suicidal whiner, which already negates his "badassery" People think that just because he kills and has muscles he's badass.

[QUOTE="TheKing012"]

why does Kratos require some sort of ulterior motive in order to do what he does? he had a goal set in mind, and generally gave a giant "**** you" to anyone who stood as an obstacle to his rage.

he's a man who gets what he wants. fortunately, that happened to be Zeus' head in this situation.

edit: and the general misconception is that GOW2=the start of Kratos' vengeance. when in actuality it started when his brother Deimos was kidnapped by Athena (who also happens to be his half sister) and Ares, under false pretense that his sibling was the marked warrior, when he himself was actually the culprit.

Slashkice

If that's all there was to his character, I wouldn't have a problem with Kratos. But the fact of the matter is his other character traits run contradictory to this rage-fueled killing machine, causing Kratos' worth as good character to diminish.

i highly advice you read the comics. anger more than often clouds rationality (if not creating total absence of it, i.e.: Kratos).

[QUOTE="campzor"]if i had to pick from that list i would say masterchief , but really i wouldnt pick any of them because they make the games they are in. Iconic characters who are the face of the industry. I'd say link.seanmcloughlin

I was going to add link instead of the "Other" option but thought I would be killed for it :P

Dont tempt me TC

Gordon Freeman, sure he's not your typical marine but he's still nothing special. His silence does nothing to overcome this.

Kratos, he is not badass, he is a suicidal whiner, which already negates his "badassery" People think that just because he kills and has muscles he's badasstagyhag

would you not be pissed off if the gods decided to illustrate their own personal contest with you while you are off trying to save your dying daughter? ignorantly blockading your path at every turn?

hell, i would.

edit: and before that, stole your brother away and imprisoned him away while you were both youths? and in the aftermath destroyed your entire village?

Niko Belic from GTA4.

It's definitely Ezio by far. Noone is even close to him in this respect.

charlesdarwin55

who in your opinion is the most over rated?

For me its definitely master chief. I don't understand his appeal at all

seanmcloughlin

Gordon Freeman. It fits, since both Valve and the Half Life series are quite overrated, too.IronBass

Master Cheif, and Altair.

[QUOTE="IronBass"]Gordon Freeman. It fits, since both Valve and the Half Life series are quite overrated, too.DarkLink77

Kratos.

He just yells at someone and then uses magic to kill him. Wanna bet he'll suck with a crowbar?

It's between Gordan Freeman and Master Chief. Freeman isn't even a character as he is suppose to be the player and Master Chief is boring with a meh outfit.

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned Final Fantasy characters yet. :P

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="IronBass"]Gordon Freeman. It fits, since both Valve and the Half Life series are quite overrated, too.IronBass

Master Chief is pretty cool guy, Solid Snake is absolutely not overrated, not familiar with Mr Gordan and Kratos is too bad ass to be overrated. I guess Im gonna have to go with 'other', but I have to think about whom that other character is.