MS is definitely making up for the slow start this yr

Three exclusives, one of which is a remake, makes up for everything? Now that's some serious damage control.

I think the Wii's had more exclusives and that's a actually a dying console because of the 3DS and Wii-U! :lol:

[QUOTE="Lexter45"]Doesn't excuse me having to wait almost 10 months for a new exclusive. Gear 3 and Halo 4 are the only things keeping me from selling the Xbox right now. I'll be sticking with the Wii-U and PC next gen if MS doesn't get it together exclusive wise.Phazevariance

[QUOTE="Phazevariance"][QUOTE="Lexter45"]Doesn't excuse me having to wait almost 10 months for a new exclusive. Gear 3 and Halo 4 are the only things keeping me from selling the Xbox right now. I'll be sticking with the Wii-U and PC next gen if MS doesn't get it together exclusive wise.Chutebox

I'm not sure if I understand though, the thread title said ms is making up for a slow year, not dominating. While I would state that their output this year hasn't been all that substantial I would say that between that kinect game and gears 3 and forza and halo anniversary coming out too they are doing substantially better then before.

Edit: Yeah I know Halo Annivrsary isn't "exclusive" but I relate it to REmake, its still a significant plus to the library and can't be played on any other current gen system. Not exclusive but a big plus if you ask me.

[QUOTE="Lexter45"]Doesn't excuse me having to wait almost 10 months for a new exclusive. Gear 3 and Halo 4 are the only things keeping me from selling the Xbox right now. I'll be sticking with the Wii-U and PC next gen if MS doesn't get it together exclusive wise.Phazevariance

its funny that you would list a remake, considering the PS3 has had around 11 of those this year. Xbox fans have been quick to pan such things for not being "new" but if it has "halo" in the name than that's a different story altogether.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="Phazevariance"] Right, because exclusives are the only games that get released for xbox......... ........ ........ oh wait, no they arent!ActicEdge

I'm not sure if I understand though, the thread title said ms is making up for a slow year, not dominating. While I would state that their output this year hasn't been all that substantial I would say that between that kinect game and gears 3 and forza and halo anniversary coming out too they are doing substantially better then before.

Edit: Yeah I know Halo Annivrsary isn't "exclusive" but I relate it to REmake, its still a significant plus to the library and can't be played on any other current gen system. Not exclusive but a big plus if you ask me.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="Chutebox"] Again, this thread is about exclusives.JohnDead80

I'm not sure if I understand though, the thread title said ms is making up for a slow year, not dominating. While I would state that their output this year hasn't been all that substantial I would say that between that kinect game and gears 3 and forza and halo anniversary coming out too they are doing substantially better then before.

Edit: Yeah I know Halo Annivrsary isn't "exclusive" but I relate it to REmake, its still a significant plus to the library and can't be played on any other current gen system. Not exclusive but a big plus if you ask me.

Well there are 2 things. ICO and GOW collections are more remasterings, some minor improvements but still the same assets and everything. REmake and Halo Anniversary are full blown remakes with everything redone from scratch which is a rather large difference. (not to put HA in the realm of REmake since it probably isn't but rather to make a point).

2, I see those collections as a big plus frankly, not exclusives but a big plus. I don't think they count (like HA) because they simply don't but its an awesome little addition for sure.

its funny that you would list a remake, considering the PS3 has had around 11 of those this year. Xbox fans have been quick to pan such things for not being "new" but if it has "halo" in the name than that's a different story altogether.

arbitor365

What 11 remakes are you talking about? HD rerelease =/= full blown remake.

Reach best MP this gen till gears came along imo

Gears 3 is just flat out amazing couldnt of been a better end to the the trilogy the mp is awesome i know ill be playing for many months

Forza 4 looks amazing too

Halo CE anniversary also has me really excited from the videos im seeing

so all in all im pretty satisfied exclusive wise especially with all the great multiplats so how do you fellow 360 owners feel about this? agree they are doing great making up for the slow start? disagree?

johnnyblazed88

Reach def is not the best MP this gen.

[QUOTE="arbitor365"]

its funny that you would list a remake, considering the PS3 has had around 11 of those this year. Xbox fans have been quick to pan such things for not being "new" but if it has "halo" in the name than that's a different story altogether.

ActicEdge

What 11 remakes are you talking about? HD rerelease =/= full blown remake.

Gears, Forza and a 10 year old Halo? That's not really strong.

Doesn't excuse me having to wait almost 10 months for a new exclusive. Gear 3 and Halo 4 are the only things keeping me from selling the Xbox right now. I'll be sticking with the Wii-U and PC next gen if MS doesn't get it together exclusive wise.Lexter45

It's pretty dishearting to see very little difference between FM3 and FM4. I'm not sure it's wise to release racing sims in two year spans, FM2 was just as good as 3. Nothing about 4 has made me say "Omg I NEED this game!" :/

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="arbitor365"]

its funny that you would list a remake, considering the PS3 has had around 11 of those this year. Xbox fans have been quick to pan such things for not being "new" but if it has "halo" in the name than that's a different story altogether.

JohnDead80

What 11 remakes are you talking about? HD rerelease =/= full blown remake.

Ehhh no. PS2 remaster =/= equal remake.

Let me give you an example not about the PS3 or 360 to make this point clear.

This:

To this:

Is a remake. Entirely new assets, added features, everything built from the ground up to accomdate a new system.

This:

to this:

Is NOT a remake. Its an up in resolution with a few additional touches. Its the same game as before simply cleaned up. You actually are the one not informed, I am correct.

Actic are you not paying attention? I said they ARE NOT remakes, what I said is if you consider the Halo CE remaster a remake, THEN you can also consider the PS2 collections remakes because they are EQUAL. Halo CE is the SAME 10 year old gameplay engine, only with better graphics. Your the only one argueing otherwise, even the vast majority of 360 fans recoginize it's not a true remake, it's a good remaster.

Doesn't excuse me having to wait almost 10 months for a new exclusive. Gear 3 and Halo 4 are the only things keeping me from selling the Xbox right now. I'll be sticking with the Wii-U and PC next gen if MS doesn't get it together exclusive wise.Lexter45

This. They need more exclusives.

[QUOTE="JohnDead80"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"][QUOTE="Chutebox"] Again, this thread is about exclusives.ActicEdge

lolno...It's a Remaster too... "Halo: Combat Evolved Anniversary is a spectacularly remastered version of the original Halo campaign" http://halo.xbox.com/en-us/intel/titles/haloanniversaryHeil68

The hell? I thought they rebuilt everything from scratch. The videos and screens I was looking at didn't seem to indicate they just up res'd the original halo.

Edit: No its definitely been redone. The fact that they use remaster instead of remake doesn't deter the point which is new assets are being used and additions and subtractions are being made to the game as opposed to just an up res'd straight port.

No its definitely been redone. The fact that they use remaster instead of remake doesn't deter the point which is new assets are being used and additions and subtractions are being made to the game as opposed to just an up res'd straight port.ActicEdge

Three games exclusives in one year. Two of which are shooters(one being a remake) and the other being a racing game. The lack of games is bad but the lack of variety is even worse imo.Moriarity_

The hell? I thought they rebuilt everything from scratch. The videos and screens I was looking at didn't seem to indicate they just up res'd the original halo.

Edit: No its definitely been redone. The fact that they use remaster instead of remake doesn't deter the point which is new assets are being used and additions and subtractions are being made to the game as opposed to just an up res'd straight port.

ActicEdge

[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"] No its definitely been redone. The fact that they use remaster instead of remake doesn't deter the point which is new assets are being used and additions and subtractions are being made to the game as opposed to just an up res'd straight port.ActicEdge

Its like you can't read. I specifically said it wasn't exclusive in my first post :|

And really, remaster, remake, it doesn't matter what you call it, re done assets, additions and subtractions, balancing, glitch fixing etc is not the same as straight port in a higher resolution. It shouldn't be much of a hard concept for a regular person to grasp.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

The hell? I thought they rebuilt everything from scratch. The videos and screens I was looking at didn't seem to indicate they just up res'd the original halo.

Edit: No its definitely been redone. The fact that they use remaster instead of remake doesn't deter the point which is new assets are being used and additions and subtractions are being made to the game as opposed to just an up res'd straight port.

JohnDead80

It looked like that to me but I'm willing to concede being wrong if its just updated graphics with nothing else. From what I've been following it strikes me much more as a remake than a traditional port though or those PS3/360 collections with essentially just up resolutions.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="Heil68"] no matter how much you want it to be so, it's not. I'll take the word of the people actually making game over you. :lol: AND it's still not exclusive. double whammy.Heil68

Its like you can't read. I specifically said it wasn't exclusive in my first post :|

And really, remaster, remake, it doesn't matter what you call it, re done assets, additions and subtractions, balancing, glitch fixing etc is not the same as straight port in a higher resolution. It shouldn't be much of a hard concept for a regular person to grasp.

So you concede that a you didn't read my first post where I said it wasn't exclusive enforcing my point that you are ignoring what I'm saying because you care more about being right then the facts? Awesome :)

[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Its like you can't read. I specifically said it wasn't exclusive in my first post :|

And really, remaster, remake, it doesn't matter what you call it, re done assets, additions and subtractions, balancing, glitch fixing etc is not the same as straight port in a higher resolution. It shouldn't be much of a hard concept for a regular person to grasp.

ActicEdge

So you concede that a you didn't read my first post where I said it wasn't exclusive enforcing my point that you are ignoring what I'm saying because you care more about being right then the facts? Awesome :)

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="Heil68"] no matter how much you want it to be so, it's not. I'll take the word of the people actually making game over you. :lol: AND it's still not exclusive. double whammy.JohnDead80

Its like you can't read. I specifically said it wasn't exclusive in my first post :|

And really, remaster, remake, it doesn't matter what you call it, re done assets, additions and subtractions, balancing, glitch fixing etc is not the same as straight port in a higher resolution. It shouldn't be much of a hard concept for a regular person to grasp.

Eh no, doing more research into this (because I wanted to be sure) the additions to the game are pretty damn numerous. What I read is they are running the original halo's engine to keep the same gameplay and physics (you're correct on that I appologoize for stating you weren't) under halo Reach's Graphics engine (hence why it looks significantly better then the original) to keep the old games exact feel while brining its visuals up to the current generation. They are also rerecording all the non voiced audio while keeping the voiced the same. You can switch between old and new graphics at any time. There is a new Firefight map (fire fight was not in the original halo) and 6 remake maps that will be the exact original and then modified versions with more current features. That sounds more like a remake to me than a simple HD collection which someone originally stated were remakes. That's pretty significant frankly.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="Heil68"] And yet here you are struggling with it...:lol:Heil68

So you concede that a you didn't read my first post where I said it wasn't exclusive enforcing my point that you are ignoring what I'm saying because you care more about being right then the facts? Awesome :)

So basically you are saying you didn't read where I said it wasn't exclusive? Good job, you have totally wasted my time, good day to you :)

[QUOTE="JohnDead80"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Its like you can't read. I specifically said it wasn't exclusive in my first post :|

And really, remaster, remake, it doesn't matter what you call it, re done assets, additions and subtractions, balancing, glitch fixing etc is not the same as straight port in a higher resolution. It shouldn't be much of a hard concept for a regular person to grasp.

ActicEdge

Eh no, doing more research into this (because I wanted to be sure) the additions to the game are pretty damn numerous. What I read is they are running the original halo's engine to keep the same gameplay and physics (you're correct on that I appologoize for stating you weren't) under halo Reach's Graphics engine (hence why it looks significantly better then the original) to keep the old games exact feel while brining its visuals up to the current generation. They are also rerecording all the non voiced audio while keeping the voiced the same. You can switch between old and new graphics at any time. There is a new Firefight map (fire fight was not in the original halo) and 6 remake maps that will be the exact original and then modified versions with more current features. That sounds more like a remake to me than a simple HD collection which someone originally stated were remakes. That's pretty significant frankly.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="JohnDead80"]He's not the one having a hard time grasping a simple concept dude. It's a remaster. End of. JohnDead80

Eh no, doing more research into this (because I wanted to be sure) the additions to the game are pretty damn numerous. What I read is they are running the original halo's engine to keep the same gameplay and physics (you're correct on that I appologoize for stating you weren't) under halo Reach's Graphics engine (hence why it looks significantly better then the original) to keep the old games exact feel while brining its visuals up to the current generation. They are also rerecording all the non voiced audio while keeping the voiced the same. You can switch between old and new graphics at any time. There is a new Firefight map (fire fight was not in the original halo) and 6 remake maps that will be the exact original and then modified versions with more current features. That sounds more like a remake to me than a simple HD collection which someone originally stated were remakes. That's pretty significant frankly.

Why don't you enlighten me with full examples then of what a remake is vs a remaster if you seem to know so much? (and don't back out if you wanna be so snarky)

[QUOTE="Lexter45"]Doesn't excuse me having to wait almost 10 months for a new exclusive. Gear 3 and Halo 4 are the only things keeping me from selling the Xbox right now. I'll be sticking with the Wii-U and PC next gen if MS doesn't get it together exclusive wise.Phazevariance

[QUOTE="Lexter45"]Doesn't excuse me having to wait almost 10 months for a new exclusive. Gear 3 and Halo 4 are the only things keeping me from selling the Xbox right now. I'll be sticking with the Wii-U and PC next gen if MS doesn't get it together exclusive wise.Funconsole

[QUOTE="JohnDead80"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Eh no, doing more research into this (because I wanted to be sure) the additions to the game are pretty damn numerous. What I read is they are running the original halo's engine to keep the same gameplay and physics (you're correct on that I appologoize for stating you weren't) under halo Reach's Graphics engine (hence why it looks significantly better then the original) to keep the old games exact feel while brining its visuals up to the current generation. They are also rerecording all the non voiced audio while keeping the voiced the same. You can switch between old and new graphics at any time. There is a new Firefight map (fire fight was not in the original halo) and 6 remake maps that will be the exact original and then modified versions with more current features. That sounds more like a remake to me than a simple HD collection which someone originally stated were remakes. That's pretty significant frankly.

ActicEdge

Why don't you enlighten me with full examples then of what a remake is vs a remaster if you seem to know so much? (and don't back out if you wanna be so snarky)

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="JohnDead80"]Good thing it doesn't matter what it sound like TO YOU, but what it is in the real world. And funny enough you just described what a remaster is, not what a remake is. JohnDead80

Why don't you enlighten me with full examples then of what a remake is vs a remaster if you seem to know so much? (and don't back out if you wanna be so snarky)

I wouldn't exactly call HA's graphics touched up and they added quite a lot of new featres as well. Basically for something to be a remake to you it needs to be a new engine? Is that what I'm getting?

As excellent as Gears 3 is, and as Forza 4 and Halo Ainniversary will undoubtedly be, 3 great games do not make up for 9 months of nothing.

[QUOTE="JohnDead80"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Why don't you enlighten me with full examples then of what a remake is vs a remaster if you seem to know so much? (and don't back out if you wanna be so snarky)

ActicEdge

I wouldn't exactly call HA's graphics touched up and they added quite a lot of new featres as well. Basically for something to be a remake to you it needs to be a new engine? Is that what I'm getting?

I've been playing so much Gears. It is better than all the mediocre exclusives that PS3 has received this year.

I've been playing so much Gears. It is better than all the mediocre exclusives that PS3 has received this year.

jimmypsn

I've been playing so much Gears. It is better than all the mediocre exclusives that PS3 has received this year.

jimmypsn

I've been playing so much Gears. It is better than all the mediocre exclusives that PS3 has received this year.

jimmypsn

I've been playing so much Gears. It is better than all the mediocre exclusives that PS3 has received this year.

jimmypsn

[QUOTE="jimmypsn"]

I've been playing so much Gears. It is better than all the mediocre exclusives that PS3 has received this year.

Lexter45

I'm just going by the reviews.

[QUOTE="jimmypsn"]

I've been playing so much Gears. It is better than all the mediocre exclusives that PS3 has received this year.

lx_theo

You have seen the review scores for those games have you not?

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="JohnDead80"]A remake is a game built from scratch, with a new game engine. A remaster is when you take an old game's engine and touch up the graphcis add some features. It's very simple. JohnDead80

I wouldn't exactly call HA's graphics touched up and they added quite a lot of new featres as well. Basically for something to be a remake to you it needs to be a new engine? Is that what I'm getting?

I don't really get your point though. What is a new engine going to afford you? The most visible change will be graphics. Its a remake so the game will still have the exact same gameplay will it not? Most Remakes do bar a few lke REmake. With HA they also re recorded all the audio and added a lot of new feautres (not gameplay features except for firefight granted) as well/ the way you describe remaster vs remake is rather blurred. It makes games clearly labeled as remakes seem like remasters due to some behind the scenes stuff most people wouldn't even know.

[QUOTE="lx_theo"][QUOTE="jimmypsn"]

I've been playing so much Gears. It is better than all the mediocre exclusives that PS3 has received this year.

jimmypsn

You have seen the review scores for those games have you not?