MS: PlayStation Plus "hasn't changed" us

[QUOTE="Gamtrix"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

You mean the LBP for EU only? Yeah, thats about it. Everything else is tied to your sub to PS+...

Zune_HD

[QUOTE="KaoSXFACTOR"]

Good for you. Then you should know that if you pay for PSN+ that you aren't getting anything involved with that for free right?

Eltormo

Let me destroy this argument again like i did with some similar ones.

PSN+ = $50 a year,get early access to demo,get discount on games,get some stuff that are 2 or 3 dollars,play PS1 clasics,play PS minis,play several games of PSN like wipeout,all this for a year.

You may or may not get what you pay for PSN+

Live gold = $50 for allowing a you to use the online multiplaying part of games ,which on PS3,PS2,DC,Wii,PC,PSP,DS,GC were always free.

You will never get what you invested in here.

Thats destroying an arguement? I can see that you clearly dont know what Live offers...

[QUOTE="EdenProxy"][QUOTE="Zune_HD"] What are "some" of the things that are free? Nothing's free if you're paying for it. From what I understand, every game that is currently free you have to keep your PS+ subscription.DroidPhysX

Who's denying that? For the most part, I see users (or a user) glorifying PS+ as a service that gives you free stuff...when infact you have to have a PS+ sub, which costs money....

[QUOTE="KaoSXFACTOR"]

[QUOTE="FlamesOfGrey"] Yeah, and Microsoft are such a great company disabiling everyones online unless they pay $50 yearly. Let's not even mention overpriced accessories like harddrives which you had to buy before the new models came out because Microsoft didn't allow 3rd party accessories to be used. Microsoft sure are great.Gamtrix

Or a $600 at launch gaming console. Let's ignore that right? Or $80 for a Wii chuck and Wii mote knockoff right?

Your point? It was still the most expensive console at launch....which still doesnt help

[QUOTE="Gamtrix"][QUOTE="KaoSXFACTOR"]

Or a $600 at launch gaming console. Let's ignore that right? Or $80 for a Wii chuck and Wii mote knockoff right?

DroidPhysX

Your point? It was still the most expensive console at launch....which still doesnt help

[QUOTE="KaoSXFACTOR"]

Good for you. Then you should know that if you pay for PSN+ that you aren't getting anything involved with that for free right?

Eltormo

Let me destroy this argument again like i did with some similar ones.

PSN+ = $50 a year,get early access to demo,get discount on games,get some stuff that are 2 or 3 dollars,play PS1 clasics,play PS minis,play several games of PSN like wipeout,all this for a year.

You may or may not get what you pay for PSN+

Live gold = $50 for allowing a you to use the online multiplaying part of games ,which on PS3,PS2,DC,Wii,PC,PSP,DS,GC were always free.

You will never get what you invested in here.

And all of those neat little perks you added for PSN+ has been on LIVE for years. Don't know where you have been really......

Thats destroying an arguement? I can see that you clearly dont know what Live offers...

DroidPhysX

Really why don't you make me a list of what live offer,take into account that Facebook,and Twitter are free on PSN,and that my PS3 has a browser,and last FM is also free on PC,and on PSN almost every one get the demo at the same time,until now that some demos not all are PSN+,unlike on live which that feature was on silver and then was strip and given to gold memeber in order to make them feel better about what they pay,now silver member have to wait a week.

And cross game chat ins't even close to worth $50 dollars.

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="Gamtrix"] 1 month of PS+ has brought more value then 5 years of Xbox Live Gold. Gamtrix

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="Gamtrix"] Ya let's ignore the fact that they sold a 600$ console that cost them over 800 dollars to make. How greedy of them... LOL Dude you need to do your homework, your examples are helping my case. That's not how your supposed to argue :PGamtrix

Your point? It was still the most expensive console at launch....which still doesnt help

Right...so it wasnt expensive? In fact, according to you, it was very cheap...

[QUOTE="FlamesOfGrey"][QUOTE="KaoSXFACTOR"]

Stop defending such a company? Yeah. Sony was such a GREAT company making its users with the PSP GO buy all of their games for their original PSP's all over again because of digital distribution. Don't make it compatible. Just make them buy it again. :roll:

Or a $600 at launch gaming console. Let's ignore that right? Or $80 for a Wii chuck and Wii mote knockoff right?

[QUOTE="Gamtrix"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Your point? It was still the most expensive console at launch....which still doesnt help

DroidPhysX

Right...so it wasnt expensive? In fact, according to you, it was very cheap...

He just said it was expensive, just not overpriced.

I'm going to get myself some popcorn and soda to enjoy this "amusing" thread..... :lol:

[QUOTE="Gamtrix"][QUOTE="clone01"] you said you didn't have a 360, nor a gamertag in an earlier thread.clone01

And all of those neat little perks you added for PSN+ has been on LIVE for years. Don't know where you have been really......

KaoSXFACTOR

Really so live Gold let you play game from the DLM for without playing for them,no ou get a demo,PSN has been doing discount for ages as well dude,way before PSN+,so you can play xbox clasic games with xbox live gold without paying appart for them?

Demos were strip from live silver and gave exclusive for the first week to gold member but it was not even part of gold,MS make it like that to make live look more of a value,which is not.

On PSN+ i can play PS1 clasics because i am paying to play games,on xbox live gold you pay to play online and had to pay extra to play games,see you can't just buy live gold and head into the market place and download free games to play.lol no dude.

Are you serious you want me to write your name on a piece of paper with the date put it in front of the 360 and send you a pic? Cause I could do that, it's just in the other room. Or are you going to continue stalking me asking for something else? If that'll end the stalking I'll do it. Gamtrix

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="Gamtrix"] Ya let's ignore the fact that they sold a 600$ console that cost them over 800 dollars to make. How greedy of them... LOL Dude you need to do your homework, your examples are helping my case. That's not how your supposed to argue :PGamtrix

Your point? It was still the most expensive console at launch....which still doesnt help

MS has lost tons of money from the Xbox and 360 hardware as well, that's not really a good example. And where do they make it up from? Their software and...XBL, the online service that is deemed overprices and unnecessary by people here while Sony blatantly shapes PSN in a very similar manner to try and recoup some of the money that MS has been making this whole time.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Thats destroying an arguement? I can see that you clearly dont know what Live offers...

Eltormo

Really why don't you make me a list of what live offer,take into account that Facebook,and Twitter are free on PSN,and that my PS3 has a browser,and last FM is also free on PC,and on PSN almost every one get the demo at the same time,until now that some demos not all are PSN+,unlike on live which that feature was on silver and then was strip and given to gold memeber in order to make them feel better about what they pay,now silver member have to wait a week.

And cross game chat ins't even close to worth $50 dollars.

Bu bu bu I can just go to my PC and use da web browser there as well as facebook and twitter, and everyting else fa free!

[QUOTE="Eltormo"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Thats destroying an arguement? I can see that you clearly dont know what Live offers...

KaoSXFACTOR

Really why don't you make me a list of what live offer,take into account that Facebook,and Twitter are free on PSN,and that my PS3 has a browser,and last FM is also free on PC,and on PSN almost every one get the demo at the same time,until now that some demos not all are PSN+,unlike on live which that feature was on silver and then was strip and given to gold memeber in order to make them feel better about what they pay,now silver member have to wait a week.

And cross game chat ins't even close to worth $50 dollars.

Bu bu bu I can just go to my PC and use da web browser there as well as facebook and twitter, and everyting else fa free!

That's why Steam >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> XBL and PSN, and Steam is free!

MS has lost tons of money from the Xbox and 360 hardware as well, that's not really a good example. And where do they make it up from? Their software and...XBL, the online service that is deemed overprices and unnecessary by people here while Sony blatantly shapes PSN in a very similar manner to try and recoup some of the money that MS has been making this whole time.

tempest91

On the xbox i agree dude,but that was the price they pay for trying to beat the PS2 with pure tech,on the xbox 360 they deserver to loose money,they knew the hardware was a piece of crap and still carry on with the launch,knowing it was failing all around,they knew and they deserve the 1 billion loss,for their denial of the problem and how thay play you,me and many other costumer who invested more than $500 dollars to get a 360 with games and live only to have it dead on arrival,any company that does that deserve what comes to them.

Thank god they don't make airplanes or cars.

[QUOTE="KaoSXFACTOR"]

And all of those neat little perks you added for PSN+ has been on LIVE for years. Don't know where you have been really......

Eltormo

Really so live Gold let you play game from the DLM for without playing for them,no ou get a demo,PSN has been doing discount for ages as well dude,way before PSN+,so you can play xbox clasic games with xbox live gold without paying appart for them?

Demos were strip from live silver and gave exclusive for the first week to gold member but it was not even part of gold,MS make it like that to make live look more of a value,which is not.

On PSN+ i can play PS1 clasics because i am paying to play games,on xbox live gold you pay to play online and had to pay extra to play games,see you can't just buy live gold and head into the market place and download free games to play.lol no dude.

as long as PSN is free im happy with it when im forced to pay to play online thats when i start getting upset

What you can download demoes with gold and xbox 1 games.What you talking bout willis????????genaroll

Can you play xbox clasics without actually paying for them,just because you own live gold.?

[QUOTE="KaoSXFACTOR"]

[QUOTE="FlamesOfGrey"] Yeah, and Microsoft are such a great company disabiling everyones online unless they pay $50 yearly. Let's not even mention overpriced accessories like harddrives which you had to buy before the new models came out because Microsoft didn't allow 3rd party accessories to be used. Microsoft sure are great.FlamesOfGrey

Or a $600 at launch gaming console. Let's ignore that right? Or $80 for a Wii chuck and Wii mote knockoff right?

That "Eyetoy" rip-off is far more advanced than the Eyetoy itself. The Move is a blatant ripoff, and will have no impact whatsoever.

[QUOTE="KaoSXFACTOR"]

[QUOTE="FlamesOfGrey"] Yeah, and Microsoft are such a great company disabiling everyones online unless they pay $50 yearly. Let's not even mention overpriced accessories like harddrives which you had to buy before the new models came out because Microsoft didn't allow 3rd party accessories to be used. Microsoft sure are great.FlamesOfGrey

Or a $600 at launch gaming console. Let's ignore that right? Or $80 for a Wii chuck and Wii mote knockoff right?

[QUOTE="tempest91"]

MS has lost tons of money from the Xbox and 360 hardware as well, that's not really a good example. And where do they make it up from? Their software and...XBL, the online service that is deemed overprices and unnecessary by people here while Sony blatantly shapes PSN in a very similar manner to try and recoup some of the money that MS has been making this whole time.

Eltormo

On the xbox i agree dude,but that was the price they pay for trying to beat the PS2 with pure tech,on the xbox 360 they deserver to loose money,they knew the hardware was a piece of crap and still carry on with the launch,knowing it was failing all around,they knew and they deserve the 1 billion loss,for their denial of the problem and how thay play you,me and many other costumer who invested more than $500 dollars to get a 360 with games and live only to have it dead on arrival,any company that does that deserve what comes to them.

Thank god they don't make airplanes or cars.

MS has had it's problems with hardware, but many of the early PS3's are failing too with no warranty (i would know since I've bought nearly a dozen and fixed them for next to nothing) so no one is perfect. My point was that MS was not making money on the systems when the 360 launched either, so it's not as bad as sony losing $200 per system (which helped win the format war so it's really not that big of a deal) but it's not like MS pulled an Apple with 200% margin rips on their hardware.

[QUOTE="genaroll"]

What you can download demoes with gold and xbox 1 games.What you talking bout willis????????

Can you play xbox clasics without actually paying for them,just because you own live gold.?

ok so you guys know i'm a pretty damn cynical guy but you know what?

this part...

"We have a responsibility to continue to innovate on it. Part of that comes from what we owe to the consumer. Part of it comes down to the passion and the people I work with on a daily basis want to continue to innovate on this as well.

"We continue to innovate because we can and we know the consumer wants it.

i believe it.

normally i'd pick a crappy public relations statement like this to pieces but from day one of paying for xbl i have felt i have gotten my $$$ worth out of it.

it has evolved far beyond my expectations.

To be honest, if SONY dosent improve PS Plus from what it is now, MS dont have anything to worry about.

[QUOTE="Eltormo"]

[QUOTE="genaroll"]

What you can download demoes with gold and xbox 1 games.What you talking bout willis????????clone01

Can you play xbox clasics without actually paying for them,just because you own live gold.?

[QUOTE="FlamesOfGrey"][QUOTE="KaoSXFACTOR"]

Or a $600 at launch gaming console. Let's ignore that right? Or $80 for a Wii chuck and Wii mote knockoff right?

savagetwinkie

IMO hybrid gaming with a controller takes away what Kinect is supposed to be in the first place. Falling back on a controller when the biggest draw of Kinect is not having one means they should have just went Sony's route and made a Wii Mote. Kinect in it's purest form isn't going far with hardcore gaming but who knows maybe Microsoft or a 3rd party companywill prove me wrong.

Bad damage control clone, anything you buy on PSN is your forever too.

Gamtrix

from this link:

in about a month, people who purchased a 3-month subscription to PlayStation Plus will be faced with one crucial question. What happens to my games when my subscription ends? Joystiq had access to a press-only 1 month trial, and recently found out the answer. Sony's premium online subscription service has offered a number of "free" games -- full PSN games, like WipEout HD and Critter Crunch, and a variety of Minis and PSone ****cs. However, these titles were all made available with a caveat: they'd remain accessible for as long as your subscription remained active. Attempting to launch an expired game will trigger this prompt: "This content can be used if you renew the license in PlayStation Store." You'll be able to launch directly into the PlayStation Store, where you will be able to purchase the expired title. For example, we could purchase Aero Racer for its full price of $2.99 from the PlayStation Store. We could also choose to purchase a new PlayStation Plus subscription to extend the license.

by the way, thanks for the pic. pretty quick to get across the street and take a picture of your friends 360. why the hearts?

[QUOTE="Gamtrix"]Bad damage control clone, anything you buy on PSN is your forever too.

clone01

The monthly titles that are given "free" are linked to remaining a subscriber.

I have no idea what this thread is even supposed to be discussing.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="FlamesOfGrey"] Sony overengineered the PS3 and were selling it at a LOSS not overpricing it. Second of all Sony paid the price by losing a ton of market share, billions of dollars and being in the red until just recently. That Wii knockoff will provide more of a hardcore gaming experience then Microsoft's evolved eyetoy ripoff so, myself and alot of gamers would rather have that.FlamesOfGrey

IMO hybrid gaming with a controller takes away what Kinect is supposed to be in the first place. Falling back on a controller when the biggest draw of Kinect is not having one means they should have just went Sony's route and made a Wii Mote. Kinect in it's purest form isn't going far with hardcore gaming but who knows maybe Microsoft or a 3rd party companywill prove me wrong.

edit: thinking about it, probably the only game that would work better that would be considered hard core on kinect is black and white. moving forward is simply grabbing the land and moving forward, all the movements in the game could be brocken down into hand gesters so it would be cool to see lionhead studios do it.

[QUOTE="Gamtrix"]Bad damage control clone, anything you buy on PSN is your forever too.

clone01

[QUOTE="Gamtrix"]Bad damage control clone, anything you buy on PSN is your forever too.

clone01

from this link:

in about a month, people who purchased a 3-month subscription to PlayStation Plus will be faced with one crucial question. What happens to my games when my subscription ends? Joystiq had access to a press-only 1 month trial, and recently found out the answer. Sony's premium online subscription service has offered a number of "free" games -- full PSN games, like WipEout HD and Critter Crunch, and a variety of Minis and PSone ****cs. However, these titles were all made available with a caveat: they'd remain accessible for as long as your subscription remained active. Attempting to launch an expired game will trigger this prompt: "This content can be used if you renew the license in PlayStation Store." You'll be able to launch directly into the PlayStation Store, where you will be able to purchase the expired title. For example, we could purchase Aero Racer for its full price of $2.99 from the PlayStation Store. We could also choose to purchase a new PlayStation Plus subscription to extend the license.

by the way, thanks for the pic. pretty quick to get across the street and take a picture of your friends 360. why the hearts?

Yeah why would they let you keep content that you get for paying for the service? If you buy something with the discounts you get to keep it. It would be complete nonsense any other way.

[QUOTE="FlamesOfGrey"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] kinect has more potential though, much more flexibility in the long run if they did decide to add some sort of navigational controller.savagetwinkie

IMO hybrid gaming with a controller takes away what Kinect is supposed to be in the first place. Falling back on a controller when the biggest draw of Kinect is not having one means they should have just went Sony's route and made a Wii Mote. Kinect in it's purest form isn't going far with hardcore gaming but who knows maybe Microsoft or a 3rd party companywill prove me wrong.

Even with a navigation controller, it would still lack buttons.

You could add a second controller with buttons.

But then you'd basically have Move with a better camera.

kinect has more potential though, much more flexibility in the long run if they did decide to add some sort of navigational controller.savagetwinkie

IMO hybrid gaming with a controller takes away what Kinect is supposed to be in the first place. Falling back on a controller when the biggest draw of Kinect is not having one means they should have just went Sony's route and made a Wii Mote. Kinect in it's purest form isn't going far with hardcore gaming but who knows maybe Microsoft or a 3rd party companywill prove me wrong.

Anything you buy at discount is permanent.

The monthly titles that are given "free" are linked to remaining a subscriber.

shinrabanshou

what do you mean by "discount?" does that just refer to titles you actually have to purchase? if so, sorry, i misunderstood the article.

[QUOTE="clone01"]

[QUOTE="Gamtrix"]Bad damage control clone, anything you buy on PSN is your forever too.

Gamtrix

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]Anything you buy at discount is permanent.

The monthly titles that are given "free" are linked to remaining a subscriber.

clone01

what do you mean by "discount?" does that just refer to titles you actually have to purchase? if so, sorry, i misunderstood the article.

It would make absolutely no sense for them to give you games as part of the service, and let you retain them even if you stop subscribing.

[QUOTE="Gamtrix"]Bad damage control clone, anything you buy on PSN is your forever too.

[QUOTE="Gamtrix"][QUOTE="clone01"] http://www.joystiq.com/2010/08/16/playstation-plus-games-expired/ from this link: n about a month, people who purchased a 3-month subscription to PlayStation Plus will be faced with one crucial question. What happens to my games when my subscription ends? Joystiq had access to a press-only 1 month trial, and recently found out the answer. Sony's premium online subscription service has offered a number of "free" games -- full PSN games, like WipEout HD and Critter Crunch, and a variety of Minis and PSone classics. However, these titles were all made available with a caveat: they'd remain accessible for as long as your subscription remained active. Attempting to launch an expired game will trigger this prompt: "This content can be used if you renew the license in PlayStation Store." You'll be able to launch directly into the PlayStation Store, where you will be able to purchase the expired title. For example, we could purchase Aero Racer for its full price of $2.99 from the PlayStation Store. We could also choose to purchase a new PlayStation Plus subscription to extend the license. by the way, thanks for the pic. pretty quick to get across the street and take a picture of your friends 360. why the hearts?

clone01

[QUOTE="genaroll"][QUOTE="Gamtrix"] It is my friends, but he lives in the same house as I do. And once again terrible damage control. You didn't buy those games, you rented them. Any game you BUY, as in buying a game on Xbox Live, going to the store and purchasing you keep forever. You loose the ones that are part of the rental service. If a PSN or a PS+ member go to the PS Store and buy a game it's theres forever. This was explained day 1.Gamtrix

[QUOTE="genaroll"][QUOTE="Gamtrix"] It is my friends, but he lives in the same house as I do. And once again terrible damage control. You didn't buy those games, you rented them. Any game you BUY, as in buying a game on Xbox Live, going to the store and purchasing you keep forever. You loose the ones that are part of the rental service. If a PSN or a PS+ member go to the PS Store and buy a game it's theres forever. This was explained day 1.Gamtrix

I understand the concepts of plus and have looked at all the content. I don't hate plus, it just doesn't have anything that interests me yet. Also, nothing involved with plus is free.

I get my PSN email once a week and I keep looking for a reason to get PSN+ and I have to say $5 off High Velocity Bowling isn't doin it. Neither is a free Nebula Tunnels theme or the free Aero Racer Mini game. This free stuff costs less than $3 and it's not even anything I would ever play or use. If people really want free garbage there is a dumpster out in the parking lot of my apt building and they can pay me $4 a month to go dumpster diving.

You were sort of stalking so... lol. Dude I'm sorry if I'm being arrogant but from where I'm standing it seems like people are pretending they don't understand just to keep "fighting".

Gamtrix

[QUOTE="Gamtrix"]You were sort of stalking so... lol. Dude I'm sorry if I'm being arrogant but from where I'm standing it seems like people are pretending they don't understand just to keep "fighting".

clone01

almost reminds me of aku101, except without the advertisement in the sig