MS responds to Hirai - can't find a thread for it:

It amazes me to no end that everyone applauds Microsoft simply because they make retaliatory statements. It doesn't matter if they're substantive or not, people just feel that they have the high ground since they're in defense mode. This is like the third "Microsoft just owned Sony/Kaz!" thread where people applaud the mere action of speaking out against criticism. Sony's done the same thing and the past and was considered to be disingenuous over it. I mean, I could pick apart everything that the Microsoft talking head just said in the same way that people here love to pick apart Kaz Hirai's statements, but they'll still be considered the ones who took the high ground. It's pathetic. [QUOTE="delta3074"]don't need blu-ray or wifi (hardline is better)Pariah_001

Well, if you look through the SW archive, the trend seems to be that Sony puts out a press release and a bunch of threads are made about how arrogant and stupid Sony is. But when MS puts out a press release, a bunch of threads are made about how great MS is and they are "powning" the competition with their awesomeness.

Oh, and everything Sony says is a lie and nothing but spin, but everything MS says is completely true and beyond question.

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] I highly doubt that. The Wii is the only thing that will stop the Wii, not anything Sony or MS does at this stage. The PS3 would have to do something like quadruple its sales and have the Wii have a sales shrink and have that last for years.rybe1025

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"] Got my PS3 with 2 games for 450$. The price may be expensive but you really get what you pay for. Blu-ray,wifi,HDMI.. the list goes on. Wants PS3 hit its sweet price.. it will leave both Wii and 360 in the dust in sales.Adrian_Cloud

don't need blu-ray or wifi (hardline is better)delta3074

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="delta3074"]don't need blu-ray or wifi (hardline is better) to play games, and all xbox 360's (including the arcade) are HDMI now, and the 360 elite has a bigger harddrive than the ps3 but costs 50 quid less.delta3074

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="delta3074"]don't need blu-ray or wifi (hardline is better) to play games, and all xbox 360's (including the arcade) are HDMI now, and the 360 elite has a bigger harddrive than the ps3 but costs 50 quid less.Nagidar

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="delta3074"]i was on about the ELITE, it has a bigger hardrive than the ps3 but it is still CHEAPER than the ps3.in other words the best xbox 360 console is cheaper than the cheapest ps3IronBass

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"] You lucky americans. Same price as PS3 here, even if PS3 is more expensive. For 50 dollars more you get Wifi,Blu-ray...Adrian_Cloud

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"] Yes, and without a HDD you miss out on a lot of content, plus xbla games.IronBass

There again, you are missing my point. My point is simple:

considering that what most people want from a console is simply and solely to play GAMES, with the 360 you really get what you pay for:

- By the critic: the best exclusives

- A lot of PC/PS3 multiplats

All that with a console that costs $200.

"This generation won't be won over just hardware specs, but who can out-innovate when it comes to online and software. This is the kind of stuff that's in our DNA, and frankly moves the console war onto our home court."


yeah Microsoft surely can out-innovate anything. Just look at how powerful Internet explorer is compared to the competition and the fail-proofness of windows OS series

............

Rhubarb9

[QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"] i did say etc... but i'm not going to through all the additional PS3 features. ANYHOW. Wifi(more convenient, and just as good for console games), wireless GAMING nuff said. No, Wifi is not "Just as good", wireless sucks for gaming, period, it has intermittent latancy. So there about 5-9 million 360s without HDMI? Hate to tell you, but HDMI isn't as important as people like you make it out to be, hell, I still have my 360 connected via VGA. If your going to talk about the Arcade model, whats the point of even mentioning HDD size. Because you are ignoring the point, he / she was talking about GAMES and you obviously have nothing to say when it comes to games and chose to ignore it.Adrian_Cloud

[QUOTE="IronBass"]

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"] Yes, and without a HDD you miss out on a lot of content, plus xbla games.Floppy_Jim

There again, you are missing my point. My point is simple:

considering that what most people want from a console is simply and solely to play GAMES, with the 360 you really get what you pay for:

- By the critic: the best exclusives

- A lot of PC/PS3 multiplats

All that with a console that costs $200.

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="delta3074"]i was on about the ELITE, it has a bigger hardrive than the ps3 but it is still CHEAPER than the ps3.in other words the best xbox 360 console is cheaper than the cheapest ps3delta3074

There again, you are missing my point. My point is simple:

considering that what most people want from a console is simply and solely to play GAMES, with the 360 you really get what you pay for:

- By the critic: the best exclusives

- A lot of PC/PS3 multiplats

All that with a console that costs $200.

Greenburg is a coward. He only mentions US sales and uses that as his yardstick when the PS3 is leading in Europe and Japan. If you take WORLDWIDE sales into consideration as Harai does, the PS3 COULD catch up to the 360 and is closer than if you only use US sales where the 360 is way ahead.

Pick and choose Greenburg you scumbag, pick and choose.

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="Nagidar"]Nagidar

[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"][QUOTE="IronBass"]

There again, you are missing my point. My point is simple:

considering that what most people want from a console is simply and solely to play GAMES, with the 360 you really get what you pay for:

- By the critic: the best exclusives

- A lot of PC/PS3 multiplats

All that with a console that costs $200.

Javy03

Then MS would likely drop the 360's price again, MS can always stay ahead of the pricing game. But I agree, the Arcade model is crap, I need a HDD, MS was stupid for not including a HDD in every model this gen.

[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"][QUOTE="IronBass"]

There again, you are missing my point. My point is simple:

considering that what most people want from a console is simply and solely to play GAMES, with the 360 you really get what you pay for:

- By the critic: the best exclusives

- A lot of PC/PS3 multiplats

All that with a console that costs $200.

IronBass

[QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"] dude what are you talking about? I haven't got any lag playing Resistance, Warhawk, COD4 on PS3. Wifi is slower for DLing, its not bad for gaming at all. lol. FAIL. No, iths there, you're just not "seeing" it, its INTERMITTENT, in other words your bandwidth jumps around. HDMI is important, you can clearly see the difference. Especially watching Blu-ray movies. I see no difference, I have my PS3 hooked up via HDMI and my 360 via VGA, in fact my 360 seems to have more vibrant colors via the VGA than HDMI. MGS4 GOTY AAAAE, Best Graphics 08. I didn't want to do it. Now leave me alone... Ok, so the PS3 got a GOTY, (Which it deserved, great game) and that some how takes away the rest of the 360's library? I'm sorry, but best technical graphics was obviously Crysis, you fail. Wifi is bad for gaming rofl. PSP,NDS etc. Again, its INTERMITTENT, its there you're just not seeing it, I've been PC gaming for about 15 years, don't try to tell me i'm wrong, I was playing online while you were probably still playing a non-online console...Adrian_Cloud

You wouldn't agree, you're a PS fanboy, you could be having lag every time you play and you wouldn't admit it.

Good job ignoring the rest of my points....

[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"][QUOTE="IronBass"]

There again, you are missing my point. My point is simple:

considering that what most people want from a console is simply and solely to play GAMES, with the 360 you really get what you pay for:

- By the critic: the best exclusives

- A lot of PC/PS3 multiplats

All that with a console that costs $200.

IronBass

"I couldn't live without having a HDD for downloadig games." Yet just before that you say, "The arcade model.....is...everything somebody could need." A somebody who isn't you. A somebody that isn't 99% of the pople on SW. Yet, we're told how great of a deal the arcade model is....... :roll:

The arcade model, is, imho, the best example. $200 and is, in essence, everything somebody could need. But I agree with you, I couldn't lie with a HDD for downloading games :D I simply adore them.IronBass

There again, you are missing my point. My point is simple:

considering that what most people want from a console is simply and solely to play GAMES, with the 360 you really get what you pay for:

- By the critic: the best exclusives

- A lot of PC/PS3 multiplats

All that with a console that costs $200.

[QUOTE="IronBass"]

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"] Yes, and without a HDD you miss out on a lot of content, plus xbla games.Floppy_Jim

There again, you are missing my point. My point is simple:

considering that what most people want from a console is simply and solely to play GAMES, with the 360 you really get what you pay for:

- By the critic: the best exclusives

- A lot of PC/PS3 multiplats

All that with a console that costs $200.

And both of these dudes are idiots. Hirai is Sony's little puppet and can't think for himself, and when he does it makes him look even stupider. Greenberg isn't much better.

RIIIIIIIDGE RACER!

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="Nagidar"]Nagidar

You wouldn't agree, you're a PS fanboy, you could be having lag every time you play and you wouldn't admit it.

Good job ignoring the rest of my points....

Then MS would likely drop the 360's price again, MS can always stay ahead of the pricing game. But I agree, the Arcade model is crap, I need a HDD, MS was stupid for not including a HDD in every model this gen.

Nagidar

So say it as it is! Man, 360 boys really run circles with this.

"I couldn't live without having a HDD for downloadig games." Yet just before that you say, "The arcade model.....is...everything somebody could need." A somebody who isn't you. A somebody that isn't 99% of the pople on SW. Yet, we're told how great of a deal the arcade model is....... :roll:

PoppaGamer

I was talking about most people out there.

Then I talked about my personal case.

I don't think that was too difficult to understand :|

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"] Don't you think it makes more sense to brag about the Pro model? I mean, the Arcade isn't really aimed at the kind of people who visit these forums. And even with XBL, the Pro is still cheaper than the PS3, just slightly. I just find it odd how so many Pro/Elite-owners, who visit internet forums, talk about how great the Arcade model is. PoppaGamer

"I couldn't live without having a HDD for downloadig games." Yet just before that you say, "The arcade model.....is...everything somebody could need." A somebody who isn't you. A somebody that isn't 99% of the pople on SW. Yet, we're told how great of a deal the arcade model is....... :roll:

[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"][QUOTE="IronBass"]

There again, you are missing my point. My point is simple:

considering that what most people want from a console is simply and solely to play GAMES, with the 360 you really get what you pay for:

- By the critic: the best exclusives

- A lot of PC/PS3 multiplats

All that with a console that costs $200.

Aljosa23

And both of these dudes are idiots. Hirai is Sony's little puppet and can't think for himself, and when he does it makes him look even stupider. Greenberg isn't much better.

RIIIIIIIDGE RACER!

Quit ruining my argument! :P

But yeah, both Sony and MS's PR have been laughable this gen. I don't get how people can defend one and criticise the other.

[QUOTE="Nagidar"]

Then MS would likely drop the 360's price again, MS can always stay ahead of the pricing game. But I agree, the Arcade model is crap, I need a HDD, MS was stupid for not including a HDD in every model this gen.

Javy03

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="Nagidar"]Nagidar

Ok ..

1> wifi is inferior to wired .. that's a fact .. but it's best to have the option

2> HDMI , there is an improvement .. but the difference is not really noticable when everything starts moving around .. and if you have an HDMI free 360 chances are your either not interested or you buy the HDMI adaptor ... either way problem solve ( anyway HDMI 360's will likely break down and get replaced with one that does have it )

3> MGS4 is only GOTY on this site .. and face facts it's not even the PS3 game of the year ... little big planet is !

4> best graphics 08 ... you know what .. seeing as the cut scenes are real time i would agree and rate MGS4 higher than crysis

anyone who still holds the hope that their console will be the out and out winner of the generation is an idiot. Even Wii owners that will most likely hav ethe #1 selling console can't consider themselves winners because all the great multiplatform games they miss out on should be a knife in the heart of any single console owner.

PS3 won't be the top selling console in 09 ... but it might start to outsell the 360 if the price cuts come ... but at the end of the day unless people abandon the 360 it really doesn't matter

[QUOTE="Nagidar"]

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"] Sure i'll tell you how many times that actually affects my gameplay. ZERO TIMES. Thats for you, i've got great cables i'm willing to spend money for nice things. Dude when it affects my gameplay i'll agree.Adrian_Cloud

You wouldn't agree, you're a PS fanboy, you could be having lag every time you play and you wouldn't admit it.

Good job ignoring the rest of my points....

So, explain to me how they were a joke? Do you actually believe MGS4 has better TECHNICAL graphics than Crysis Warhead? You brought up MGS4 winning best graphics, it won best TECHNICAL graphics which was a joke, everyone knows Crysis Warhead has technical graphics beyond any game.

Seriously, you really bought into the whole HDMI thing, didn't you? You really believe SONY when they tell you something. The only REAL advantage to HDMI is it carries an audio stream through the same connection.

Why do companies even respond? I mean look at nintendo. They dont dabble in these measuring contests like MS and Sony do, because they know they are gonna come up on top. Its like sex, the people that are having it, dont talk about it.II_Seraphim_II

It's what competitors do. What would Nintendo have to gain buy adding to this?

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"][QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"] Don't you think it makes more sense to brag about the Pro model? I mean, the Arcade isn't really aimed at the kind of people who visit these forums. And even with XBL, the Pro is still cheaper than the PS3, just slightly. I just find it odd how so many Pro/Elite-owners, who visit internet forums, talk about how great the Arcade model is. Floppy_Jim

And both of these dudes are idiots. Hirai is Sony's little puppet and can't think for himself, and when he does it makes him look even stupider. Greenberg isn't much better.

RIIIIIIIDGE RACER!

Quit ruining my argument! :P

But yeah, both Sony and MS's PR have been laughable this gen. I don't get how people can defend one and criticise the other.

[QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="Nagidar"]

Then MS would likely drop the 360's price again, MS can always stay ahead of the pricing game. But I agree, the Arcade model is crap, I need a HDD, MS was stupid for not including a HDD in every model this gen.

IronBass

Or would MS move back into profit loss?

Well, if you look through the SW archive, the trend seems to be that Sony puts out a press release and a bunch of threads are made about how arrogant and stupid Sony is. But when MS puts out a press release, a bunch of threads are made about how great MS is and they are "powning" the competition with their awesomeness.

Oh, and everything Sony says is a lie and nothing but spin, but everything MS says is completely true and beyond question.

ZIMdoom

Remember this?

Nov 10th, 2005 - Sony is caught hiding a rootkit inside music CD's that place a virus on users computer. Sony's Tom Hesse defends the decision by stating that people don't know what it is, so they shouldn't care
January 2007 - Sony, Busted Again!

Now that we know Sony cares about us, lets move on to the PS3...

Feb 27th, 2006 - Sony misses it's Spring launch date
May 5th, 2006 - SCEE CEO David Reeves: "It doesn't really matter what ships at launch." "The first five million are going to buy it, whatever it is, even it didn't have games,"
May 8th, 2006 - Sony holds it's E3 conference announcing the pricing of the PS3 at $600/$500
May 8th, 2006 - New PS3 controller will have six degrees of motion, but no rumble feature. Sony's Phil Harrison states that rumble was last gen and no longer needed.
May 17th, 2006 - Kutaragi: PlayStation 3 is "too cheap"
May 31st, 2006 - Sony's Phil Harrison denies copying the Wiimote and states that the PS3 will replace the PC
Sep 5th, 2006 - Gamers looking to get the best picture out of Sony's premium PlayStation 3 package will need to shell out extra for proper hookups.
Sept 6th, 2006 - PS3 is delayed in Europe until March 2007
Sept 6th, 2006 - PS3 launch shipment is cut from 2 million to 400,000 in the US (100,000 to Japan)
Sept 8th, 2006 - Sony's President admits that the company's hardware is in a current state of decline
Sept 26th, 2006 - PS3 first-party titles announced to be the same price as third party titles, at $59.99
Sept 26th, 2006 - Square Enix will not exclusively support Sony's PS3 as much as they did with the PS2.
Sept 29th, 2006 - Sony's President Ken Kutaragi states that his company does not care about the Xbox 360 and Wii competition.
October 12th, 2006 - Sony Exec calls the 360 and Wii "too expensive"
October 19th, 2006 - The infamous spec sheet comparison and how Sony claims the Xbox 360 requires HD-DVD to play games
October 20th, 2006 - Announced that Sony may have to replace your PS3 controller for you after it no longer holds charge
October 24th, 2006 - Sony sinks Lik-Sang
October 26th, 2006 - Sony's Q2 profits decrease by 94%
October 28th, 2006 - Sony president Ken Kutaragi said he expects the PS3 to be capable of running games at a stunning 120fps
October 30th, 2006 - PS3 will push Sony $1.71 billion into the red
October 31st, 2006 - Japan launch of the PS3 is cut to 80,000 units
Nov 8th, 2006 - Sony ships without update. You must update your PS3 out of the box in order to use PlayStation Network
Nov 9th, 2006 - NBA Live 2007 is cancelled on the PS3
Nov 9th, 2006 - Oblivion is pushed back from launch title to Jan 2007
Nov 10th, 2006 - Sony's Phil Harrison states that he can no longer confirm a March 2007 launch for Europe
Nov 11th, 2006 - PS3 launches in Japan and rewards few
Nov 11th, 2006 - Sony unprepared for Japan launch
Nov 14th, 2006 - Sony will miss 400,000 unit target for the US. Approx 150k to 200k will be shipped for launch
Nov 14th, 2006 - PS3 has backwards compatibility problems
Nov 16th, 2006 - PS3 downscales 720p games instead of upscaling to 1080i
Nov 16th, 2006 - Sony's Jack Tretton comments on the PS3 BC problems and states that the Wii has 0 backwards compatibility
Nov 20, 2006 - NYT not impressed with PS3
Nov 20, 2006 - Game Devs Prefer 360
Nov 20, 2006 - PS3 annoys Joystiq
Nov 21, 2006 - PS3, PSP Rainbow Six held till '07
Nov 23, 2006 - Saving Sony, one console at a time
Nov 25, 2006 - Sony retracts 1080i fix statement, leaving customers in lurch.
Nov 26, 2006 - More PS3 exclusives head to 360
Nov 26, 2006 - Bloomberg: Sony missed PS3 ship targets
Nov 30, 2006 - Sony shuffles senior execs
Nov 30, 2006 - Analyst: "I cannot imagine a PlayStation 4"
Dec 4, 2006 - Sony Australia: Wii "More Fun" than PS3
Dec 8, 2006 - Court rules for Immersion; Sony to pay up
Dec 11, 2006 - Industry watchers weigh in on "record-low tie ratios" for Wii and PS3 and other results from the month of the new systems' debut.
Dec 13, 2006 - Sony Admits Launching Fake Blog to Promote PSP
Dec 19, 2006 - Time says PS3 was a bust
Dec 20, 2006 - PC World Calls PS3 a top tech mistake of 2006
Dec 20, 2006 - Forced bundles and high retail price put consumers off, claims tracking firm.
Dec 21, 2006 - Virtua Fighter 5 dukes it out on Xbox 360
Dec 21, 2006 - Sony files patent for wiimote ****hand-held controler
Dec 27, 2006 - PS3 Greymarket Watch: Scalpers Returning PS3s Back To Stores.
Dec 27, 2006 - Gamers who queued for days to buy Sony's PS3 are frantically trying to trade them for the much cheaper Wii.
Dec 28, 2006 - Sony's PS3: High-Scorer No More
Jan 4, 2007 - Sony spokesman David Karraker: "Everything that we put on store shelves sold out,"
Jan 4, 2007 - SCEA confirmed that there would be no supported force feedback technology with its PlayStation 3
Jan 8, 2007 - PS3 demand slows, stores stocked aplenty
Jan 9, 2007 - Sony Misses Worldwide PS3 Shipment Targets. They shiped a million in the US, but not in Japan.
Jan 10, 2007 - Motorstorm isn't going to be running in 1080p at 60FPS, despite Sony VP of Marketing David Dille saying this week that it would.
Jan 10, 2007 - Senior VP of Marketing Peter Dille: Every Sunday in the paper, there's a new deal with a free controller or a free game or $100 off all discounting the 360. I don't think you take those measures if you're selling as expected. (see Jan 13, 2007 entry)
Jan 11, 2007 - Analyst: Lagging PS3 Sales 'Troubling'
Jan 11, 2007 - ArsTechnica slams "misleading" Sony
Jan 13, 2007 - EB offers a deal, trade in your PS2, cables, a second controller and a memory card, to get $100 off a PS3, in what people assume is an attempt to actually move PS3 units.
Jan 15, 2007 - Analyst: Sony missing sales goals by 25%?
Jan 15, 2007 - Valve Software's chief Gabe Newell says PS3 a "total disaster on so many levels"
Jan 15, 2007 - PS3 sales figures 'not good' - IDC "Sony needs more must-have first-party titles to sell consoles"
Jan 17, 2007 - Sony CEO Howard Stringer: PS3 Only Using 20-25% of its Power
Jan 25, 2007 - Sony Uses PGR3 Screenshot to Promote Gran Turismo HD
Jan 26, 2007 - PS3: Now $50 More Expensive in Canada
Jan 26, 2007 - Epic Games' once-PC-and-PS3-exclusive shooter is now headed to Microsoft's new console with a slightly tweaked title, Unreal Tournament III.
Jan 29, 2007 - Sony Corp. may report third-quarter profit fell 50 percent after its flagship PlayStation 3 lost market share to Nintendo's Wii.
Jan 29, 2007 - Sony calls on Ken to save PS3
Jan 29, 2007 - Tetsuya Nomura, designer of FFXIII, has confirmed that Final Fantasy will not debut on the PS3 until 2008.
Jan 29, 2007 - Nvidia Shares Affected by Weaker Playstation 3 Demand
Jan 30, 2007 - Sony blamed the launching costs of its PlayStation 3 game console for much of the 5 percent drop in group net profit for the last three months of 2006
Jan 31, 2007 - SCEA spokesman David Karraker:"Nintendo's new console doesn't belong in the same category as the PlayStation 3." "Sony was selling out shipments of 100,000 PS3s in the US every week"

This is why Sony is regarded as disengenuious. Because they have spun, lied and bullied their way through this generation and many people are sick of their attitude. They needed this fall to get them straight again. But with the way Ken is talking I wonder if they even realise where they've gone wrong.

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="Nagidar"]

You wouldn't agree, you're a PS fanboy, you could be having lag every time you play and you wouldn't admit it.

Good job ignoring the rest of my points....

Nagidar

So, explain to me how they were a joke? Do you actually believe MGS4 has better TECHNICAL graphics than Crysis Warhead? You brought up MGS4 winning best graphics, it won best TECHNICAL graphics which was a joke, everyone knows Crysis Warhead has technical graphics beyond any game.

Seriously, you really bought into the whole HDMI thing, didn't you? You really believe SONY when they tell you something. The only REAL advantage to HDMI is it carries an audio stream through the same connection.

But yeah, both Sony and MS's PR have been laughable this gen.

Floppy_Jim

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"][QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"] Don't you think it makes more sense to brag about the Pro model? I mean, the Arcade isn't really aimed at the kind of people who visit these forums. And even with XBL, the Pro is still cheaper than the PS3, just slightly. I just find it odd how so many Pro/Elite-owners, who visit internet forums, talk about how great the Arcade model is. Floppy_Jim

And both of these dudes are idiots. Hirai is Sony's little puppet and can't think for himself, and when he does it makes him look even stupider. Greenberg isn't much better.

RIIIIIIIDGE RACER!

Quit ruining my argument! :P

But yeah, both Sony and MS's PR have been laughable this gen. I don't get how people can defend one and criticise the other.

I own an Arcade as well:P (Core model actually) But only because the Pro's were sold out at launch. And yeah, I bought a HDD along with it.:P

Then MS would likely drop the 360's price again, MS can always stay ahead of the pricing game. But I agree, the Arcade model is crap, I need a HDD, MS was stupid for not including a HDD in every model this gen.

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="Javy03"] Cheaper is not always the answer. During the first half of 08 and all of 07 the PS3 outsold the 360 and it was much more expensive then it. Right now the 360 hit the magic spot of 199. If the PS3 gets close to the 360s price range with worldwide sales it will rise at a much faster rate. MS dropping the price even more might not help it much more then its current price. In fact it dropping to the PS2 price range might make it cheap looking. The PS3 doesnt have to be cheaper just close the price grap and get closer to 199.ZIMdoom

Or would MS move back into profit loss?

MS can afford profit loss more than SONY can.

[QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"] your other two points were a joke, you mentioned crysis for no reason. You say PS3 has no games, MGS4 prime exampe of a great game. If you see no difference, then thats all on you. I can't say that your seing something your not. Adrian_Cloud

So, explain to me how they were a joke? Do you actually believe MGS4 has better TECHNICAL graphics than Crysis Warhead? You brought up MGS4 winning best graphics, it won best TECHNICAL graphics which was a joke, everyone knows Crysis Warhead has technical graphics beyond any game.

Seriously, you really bought into the whole HDMI thing, didn't you? You really believe SONY when they tell you something. The only REAL advantage to HDMI is it carries an audio stream through the same connection.

You haven't answered the question, do you really think MGS4 has better Technical graphics than Crysis Warhead? I have Monster cables, there is no difference, if there is, its not that big, take off your fanboy goggles and come back to reality.