MW2 terrorist massacre isn't as bad as some other games

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#401 fixer293
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I am through with this romper room, I have had my fill of tears and blubbering, "you should feel bad for others" whatever, I am outta here,

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#402 dk_2007
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[QUOTE="dk_2007"]

[QUOTE="fixer293"]

everybody should care about the emotion of people? No, because not everyone feels the same way the offended person does, and forcing one to feel that way is against that person's constitutional rights. Working off of emotions leads to crap like banning and censorship. People just need to just keep their views to themselves and handle it their own way without trying to push their views on others. This has been discussed in here to death. People have different views, and either one trying to force those views on others is wrong, IT IS A GAME< NOT REAL, /caps, Stop making a mountain out of a mole hill,. If you are offended, so be it, but don't come here telling us that are not offended , "you have to feel bad" I don't have to feel ^&(& for you. I can discern reality from fantasy, I served in the military and was shot at, ok. Censorship by any means,.....ANY MEANS, is against the constitution.

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This is not what is meant by morality and freedom. On the other hand, it means that everyone is free to do whatever that person likes unless that things doesnt harm others mentally or physically.

Nobody is forcing their viewpoint on others, but everyone is just asking others to not hurt them. Moreover, regarding "making a mountain out of hill": No I am just trying to present my views logically. If you can point out the logical flaws then I will be convinced.

Pretty much telling me, that we should feel bad, that is not pushing your views? And just like I posted many freking times, how is anyone hurt by a fake scripted game program that has little to nothing to do with in real life. If a dragon in a game destroys a village shall I feel offended, or shall I feel offended when I watch the news, or read the bible since graphic violence is in both. People who watched the passion didn't seem to mind the gratutitous violence in the film, or the mass killings in postal 2, which also had taliban in it, go figure., but don't sit there acting holier than thou and label me, because I don;t cry over a bunch of pixels being wasted, gimme a freaking break dude. It is a freaking game, If one cannot discern between reality and fantasy, then no, I am unsympathetic.

No I am not telling that you should feel bad or you are wrong by not feeling bad. You are "right" in not feeling bad or otherwise. This is because that is your personal opinion and you are not making a public game out of your personal opinion.

What I am saying here is that publisher of MW2 is wrong and they shouldnt have done it. MW2 is a game that will be released to general public. It is bound to hurt many people because it has lot of similarities with a recent tragedy. Not to mention the possibility of gamers playing like a terrorist and virtually enacting mass killing of innocent civilians, similar to that tragedy.

Regarding why some people can be hurt, that can be seen from real examples: when a person dies then parodying that person's death hurts the person's relatives and friends. This is same with MW2.

About a dragon destroying a village: it is not realistic and doesnt have any similarities with a recent tragedy. On other hand, can you prove that many people will not be emotionally hurt if someone makes a public game simulating 9/11 plane attacks?

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#403 hot114
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Reading fixer293's view on life over the last few pages i cant help imagine a fragile boy in some backend woods cutting open a kitten he caught on the streets. You have a bright future ahead :P

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#404 hanslacher54
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In Fallout 3 some people scream out for help when you are going to kill them.

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#405 sikanderahmed
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omg will mods ever lock this thread?

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#406 deactivated-5b19214ec908b
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In Fallout 3 some people scream out for help when you are going to kill them.

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there not real people.
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#407 hanslacher54
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[QUOTE="hanslacher54"]

In Fallout 3 some people scream out for help when you are going to kill them.

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there not real people.

I know that, I was following what he said about people making too much of a big deal of MW2.

I don't think Fallout 3 is a big deal either though, but Fallout 3 will probably be worse than MW2.

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#408 HuusAsking
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[QUOTE="dk_2007"]

[QUOTE="fixer293"] deepens the storyline.That is what it does, has everyone just lost all speck of guts these days.I remember being in the ,miliitary and hearing people tell me go get them, do it for the fallen, now people have reverted to cowardice ,gutless, crying about every thing they deem "offensive". This is how the Jack Thompson's of the world get their power, from gutless whiny people.

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There are many other ways to deepen the story line without hurting people emotionally. Parodying a recent tragedy is just not the only one way to do that. Moreover, storyline is not important part of an FPS game.

Regarding "offensive" things, everyone has to care about the emotions of other people. Thats why people dont joke around about a dead person or parody him in his funeral. Emotions are very high for some years after a recent tragedy and the subject matter is very sensitive. People not affected by the tragedy may not feel it, but there could be many people that can feel emotionally hurt. I think that its better to avoid a thing that can emotionally hurt many people especially when the same objective like deeper storyline can be achieved by other means.

Regarding Jack Thomson/GTA, that is already debatable whether GTA is good or bad. We may draw a line for GTA, but MW2 is crossing that line. In addition, we cannot justify worst things by saying that bad things already happen in other games.

everybody should care about the emotion of people? No, because not everyone feels the same way the offended person does, and forcing one to feel that way is against that person's constitutional rights. Working off of emotions leads to crap like banning and censorship. People just need to just keep their views to themselves and handle it their own way without trying to push their views on others. This has been discussed in here to death. People have different views, and either one trying to force those views on others is wrong, IT IS A GAME< NOT REAL, /caps, Stop making a mountain out of a mole hill,. If you are offended, so be it, but don't come here telling us that are not offended , "you have to feel bad" I don't have to feel ^&(& for you. I can discern reality from fantasy, I served in the military and was shot at, ok. Censorship by any means,.....ANY MEANS, is against the constitution.

Even "Fire!" in a crowded theater?
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#409 deactivated-598fc45371265
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And even in Infamous which was rated T by the way....you can kill normal civilians.

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#410 dk_2007
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We have racing simulators, driving simulators, etc I thought of a new name:

COD MW2 : the terrorism simulator.

What say? Though it is not original as many people have said it before.

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[QUOTE="campbell1874"]

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

All of those examples are done in a funny kind of way. I play all sorts of violent games and am never really bothered by them. The fact that it takes place in an airport, by terrorists, and basically reenacts a possible alternative to 9/11 just doesn't seem necessary.

BPoole96

That a loose link between 9/11 plane attack and a gun attack in a airport. Yes they are both terroriest attack but they are not the same.

It it worse picking up a gum and shooting people calling yourself a terrorists or playing avideo game andblowing up houses and towns.

There is a worse game that is in development but no-ones brought it up yet.Its worse asthegame is based on real events-

The PS3, Xbox 360, and PC game is/was due to dramatize the events of the second battle of Fallujah, one of the bloodiest and hard-fought of 'Operation Iraqi Freedom'. Konami announced the game recently only to immediately be bombarded with complaints and condemnations from war veterans, the families of those killed in the battle, and peace campaigners.

http://gamer.blorge.com/2009/04/28/six-days-in-fallujah-canned-real-war-on-ps3-xbox-360-a-step-too-far/

The connection is still there though. Terrorists, airports/planes, and lots of innocent American dying. I dont think I'm the only one who immediately thought 9/11 upon seeing that.

The game you showed though, I'm not 100% but I think that game was cancelled. I remember reading about it though

I think more people are thinking of it as a likeness of the attacks in Mumbai rather than 9/11. In all honesty, if someone made a game where you flew a plane into tower and it fell down the American public would be directly against it. Some people will find it offensive and indecent because of this reason. I'm not saying i personally do, however, you have to respect peoples views as it is pushing the boundries.
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#412 Propaganda_
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I am through with this romper room, I have had my fill of tears and blubbering, "you should feel bad for others" whatever, I am outta here,

fixer293

Hope you've learned a lesson.

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#413 Kleeyook
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[QUOTE="_TheJoker_"]

I think people here are really hypocrates, they all bash the terrorist mission because "OMG you kill innocent people!" and they all own at least 2 GTA games.

It's just a game, and how many movies have things like this or worse!

hot114
one is a 3d person arcadey sandbox game with laughable physics the other a FPS simulator with great detail in animations and graphics

What's the matter then? Graphics is not really important, gameplay is what matters isn't that something hypocrites always said (they even blame GTA4 for having OUTDATED graphics)?
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#414 ace070590
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[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

[QUOTE="campbell1874"]

That a loose link between 9/11 plane attack and a gun attack in a airport. Yes they are both terroriest attack but they are not the same.

It it worse picking up a gum and shooting people calling yourself a terrorists or playing avideo game andblowing up houses and towns.

There is a worse game that is in development but no-ones brought it up yet.Its worse asthegame is based on real events-

The PS3, Xbox 360, and PC game is/was due to dramatize the events of the second battle of Fallujah, one of the bloodiest and hard-fought of 'Operation Iraqi Freedom'. Konami announced the game recently only to immediately be bombarded with complaints and condemnations from war veterans, the families of those killed in the battle, and peace campaigners.

http://gamer.blorge.com/2009/04/28/six-days-in-fallujah-canned-real-war-on-ps3-xbox-360-a-step-too-far/

readingfc_1

The connection is still there though. Terrorists, airports/planes, and lots of innocent American dying. I dont think I'm the only one who immediately thought 9/11 upon seeing that.

The game you showed though, I'm not 100% but I think that game was cancelled. I remember reading about it though

I think more people are thinking of it as a likeness of the attacks in Mumbai rather than 9/11. In all honesty, if someone made a game where you flew a plane into tower and it fell down the American public would be directly against it. Some people will find it offensive and indecent because of this reason. I'm not saying i personally do, however, you have to respect peoples views as it is pushing the boundries.

Very true. This is a very touchy subject for some people, so Infinity Ward needs to be careful with what they're doing. I for one, do not feel that it's a terrible thing to do in a video game because it's what really happened. However, is it something that is necessary? Maybe, maybe not. I feel that Modern Warfare 2 would have been great without this optional mission. I am not going to play it because I don't feel that it's necessary to have in the game.--I think they could have kept "realism" without this mission. If others want to play it, I will not criticize them unless they are being jerks about it and not hearing others views. The only criticism I would bring forth is if Infinity Ward tries to send some hidden message to make people "understand" the terrorists, or have some sort of "sympathy" for their beliefs. I highly doubt Infinity Ward will do anything like that, but you never know . . . America tries to be too "politically correct" sometimes.