MW2 terrorist massacre isn't as bad as some other games

[QUOTE="Ontain"] like i said that can be used for virtual rape games too. lets say you play as a serial killer. ppl can use the same logic you did. "it's just a game"Propaganda_

No, it can't. Virtual rape and rape in real life are sickening, but murdering in video games is pleasing. So it's most certainly not the same thing.

[QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="toast_burner"] Killing someone in a game is not murder. child porn is disgusting no matter how you look at itSTurn21

What's disgusting to one man is OK to another. If the optionalterrorist scene in MW 2 bothers you, either skip it or don't pick up the game at all.

[QUOTE="dirktu"]

[QUOTE="Propaganda_"]

Well, let me tell you something here. We've had offensive content in video games since the first Grand Theft Auto was released. For what reason should this spark controversy? It's not as if MW2 is the first game to contain gruesome scenes. You're talking about content. Well, go play Postal, Grand Theft Auto, Manhunt or MadWorld...

Propaganda_

That doesn't change anything.. You're not bringing anything new to the table. There has also been controversy with respect to the games you mentioned. And although I haven't played the new COD I think it will have less offensive content than those games... But the COD series has been another series entirely....

So what's your point exactly?

That this not the first time we're capable of killing civilians in video games, so quit the loath.

And where exactly did I say that? Have you actually read my original reply to your and razgriz' post?

My point is simple:

The game isn't rated M for nothing. The content is offensive. The particular scene discussed is probably more offensive than any other part of that particular game. On top of that, the described scene fits the COD universe poorly for the reason already mentioned in my original post. The 'more realistic part' wasn't necessarily directed to you though..

If people like you don't take offense, that's fine. But that doesn't change the content.

It would suit you guys to be able to say: "Well guys, I don't take offense to this game, so I'd like to play it. But I totally understand the fact that you have problems with it, cause I do see your point."

Personally, I like to play the RE (=Resident Evil for anyone that doesn't know) games. And I do feel it it has questionable content, but I'm not bothered by it. But I'm not blind!! I'm not trying to convert everyone who hates RE because of its gore by saying: "it's not offensive", "it's just a game" or "quit the loath" either.

When did people lose their empathy?? :?

[QUOTE="toast_burner"] Killing someone in a game is not murder. child porn is disgusting no matter how you look at itOntain

[QUOTE="Propaganda_"]

[QUOTE="Ontain"] like i said that can be used for virtual rape games too. lets say you play as a serial killer. ppl can use the same logic you did. "it's just a game"Ontain

No, it can't. Virtual rape and rape in real life are sickening, but murdering in video games is pleasing. So it's most certainly not the same thing.

Well, you've obviously trolling.

Sexually assaulting someone by force in video games most certainly isn't as accepted as murdering someone, nor will it ever be.

Comparing any kind of sexuality to murdering in video games certainly is a fatuous idea.

[QUOTE="Propaganda_"]

[QUOTE="dirktu"]

That doesn't change anything.. You're not bringing anything new to the table. There has also been controversy with respect to the games you mentioned. And although I haven't played the new COD I think it will have less offensive content than those games... But the COD series has been another series entirely....

So what's your point exactly?

dirktu

That this not the first time we're capable of killing civilians in video games, so quit the loath.

And where exactly did I say that? Have you actually read my original reply to your and razgriz' post?

My point is simple:

The game isn't rated M for nothing. The content is offensive. The particular scene discussed is probably more offensive than any other part of that particular game. On top of that, the described scene fits the COD universe poorly for the reason already mentioned in my original post. The 'more realistic part' wasn't necessarily directed to you though..

If people like you don't take offense, that's fine. But that doesn't change the content.

It would suit you guys to be able to say: "Well guys, I don't take offense to this game, so I'd like to play it. But I totally understand the fact that you have problems with it, cause I do see your point."

Personally, I like to play the RE (=Resident Evil for anyone that doesn't know) games. And I do feel it it has questionable content, but I'm not bothered by it. But I'm not blind!! I'm not trying to convert everyone who hates RE because of its gore by saying: "it's not offensive", "it's just a game" or "quit the loath" either.

When did people lose their empathy?? :?

What you're claiming is facts, though, that we're all aware of.

And I understand what you're trying to say. This was not expected and is gruesome, but what people need to comprehend is that this is not the first time, so don't protest against this.

You are seriously comparing virtual murder (including little to no gore, a little bit of blood spatter) to virtual rape (including full detailed images of male and female private parts engaging in fully animated sexual acts.)?

STurn21

[QUOTE="STurn21"]

You are seriously comparing virtual murder (including little to no gore, a little bit of blood spatter) to virtual rape (including full detailed images of male and female private parts engaging in fully animated sexual acts.)?

Ontain

No, because there would be no point in it, apart from disturbing the player.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"] your analogies are awful. child porn is much worse then animated violence as is rape. If you like violence in games that doesnt mean you like real life violence but if you like animated child porn then you most likely are a disturbed freak. can you please change the subject away from child porn now? im not even sure why you brought it up in the first place.Ontain

seriously not only are you making your self seem foolish but your also completely disgusting.

Well, you've obviously trolling.

Sexually assaulting someone by force in video games most certainly isn't as accepted as murdering someone, nor will it ever be.

Comparing any kind of sexuality to murdering in video games certainly is a fatuous idea.

Propaganda_

[QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="STurn21"]

You are seriously comparing virtual murder (including little to no gore, a little bit of blood spatter) to virtual rape (including full detailed images of male and female private parts engaging in fully animated sexual acts.)?

Propaganda_

No, because there would be no point in it, apart from disturbing the player.

Since when has explicit detailed images of human sexual organs engaging in sexual acts = a gun flashing, recoiling, a person falling, and blood splattering slightly? If IW was using Fallout 3's engine in their "terrorist" scene then I could see your point, but the gore in MW2 is nothing even close to what you see in your favorite summer action flicks.

STurn21

[QUOTE="Propaganda_"]

Well, you've obviously trolling.

Sexually assaulting someone by force in video games most certainly isn't as accepted as murdering someone, nor will it ever be.

Comparing any kind of sexuality to murdering in video games certainly is a fatuous idea.

Ontain

It is more accepted. You're not allowed to watch child porn, but you're allowed to watch violent movies. If someone caughts you watching a very violent movie that involves a lot of killing, they're going to think you're the average man. If someone, though, caughts you watching child porn, which isn't even permitted by law, they're going to think you're a sick pedophile.

That would be perfectly fine in my book (but I still don't see why it would be fun for anyone). All you would see is two people making faces and grunting. There have been numerous rape scenes in movies that people don't say a word about.

STurn21

Since when has explicit detailed images of human sexual organs engaging in sexual acts = a gun flashing, recoiling, a person falling, and blood splattering slightly? If IW was using Fallout 3's engine in their "terrorist" scene then I could see your point, but the gore in MW2 is nothing even close to what you see in your favorite summer action flicks.

[QUOTE="Propaganda_"]

[QUOTE="Ontain"] So now argue that virtual murder is okay with little gore and blood spatter. would virtual rape be okay with blurred privates and no fluids? Ontain

No, because there would be no point in it, apart from disturbing the player.

Once again, that's fatuous.

I'd assume that the greater part of the gamers are interested in killing others in video games. That's why IW has so many fans. But who would be interested in and charmed by raping a character in a video game? That's just embarrassing. :lol:

Letting you play as a rapist in a video game would cause astronomic shame to Infinity Ward, and the way people think of them will change forever.

Obviously, you have no idea what you're talking about.

It is more accepted. You're not allowed to watch child porn, but you're allowed to watch violent movies. If someone caughts you watching a very violent movie that involves a lot of killing, they're going to think you're the average man. If someone, though, caughts you watching child porn, which isn't even permitted by law, they're going to think you're a sick pedophile.

Propaganda_

It is more accepted. You're not allowed to watch child porn, but you're allowed to watch violent movies. If someone caughts you watching a very violent movie that involves a lot of killing, they're going to think you're the average man. If someone, though, caughts you watching child porn, which isn't even permitted by law, they're going to think you're a sick pedophile.

Once again, that's fatuous.

I'd assume that the greater part of the gamers are interested in killing others in video games. That's why IW has so many fans. But who would be interested in and charmed by raping a character in a video game? That's just embarrassing. :lol:

Letting you play as a rapist in a video game would cause astronomic shame to Infinity Ward, and the way people think of them will change forever.

Obviously, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Propaganda_

[QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="Propaganda_"]

It is more accepted. You're not allowed to watch child porn, but you're allowed to watch violent movies. If someone caughts you watching a very violent movie that involves a lot of killing, they're going to think you're the average man. If someone, though, caughts you watching child porn, which isn't even permitted by law, they're going to think you're a sick pedophile.

STurn21

Wait wait wait, you are talking about movies showing rape? I have already said that there are numerous movies released that show rape.

[QUOTE="STurn21"]

Since when has explicit detailed images of human sexual organs engaging in sexual acts = a gun flashing, recoiling, a person falling, and blood splattering slightly? If IW was using Fallout 3's engine in their "terrorist" scene then I could see your point, but the gore in MW2 is nothing even close to what you see in your favorite summer action flicks.

Ontain

I think it's time to quit this discussion. It's getting absolutely nowhere. Arguments are getting repeated over and over again, and people are clearly not listening to one another.

On top of that (although I'm not backing up you're line of reasoning Ontain), they're committing all the death-sins of debating here. Including 'ad hominem' towards you.

People are making facts out of moral views and opinions and are oblivious to any ethical knowledge.

I've already quit my little discussion, but I thought I might as well add a few cents to yours. FYI:

-Americans view sex as much worse than violence, in Europe the general opinion is the other way around (although I don't agree). One of the movies and books that is being showed to 13-16 year old students here in Europe (it's considered to be literature) is considered as hard-core porn in the U.S.A.

-Child porn was no problem at all during the age of the Romans (boys and girls approx. 10-16 years)

-Recently right-wing French politicians revealed the fact that the current French minister of whatever (=secretary of whatever in the U.S.A.) had written and admitted in his own book that he really enjoyed having paid sex with young Thai boys in Thailand. The guy is still in office, and only fires back saying: "but OMG they're right-wing politicians".

It's all about moral views and beliefs, and they are not set in stone. Now it's time for me to leave, since I actually think the entire sex thing is disgusting as well... But nonetheless it has some truth in it...

You are just reaching for anything you can grab now ,huh? If the was "no hiding of what was actually going on" than that would still be explicit and much much worse that blood splatter.

You have lost, Just because you are sensitive and can't handle an imaginary scene of violence, doesn't mean that the game should be censored or banned.

STurn21

[QUOTE="Propaganda_"]

Well, you've obviously trolling.

Sexually assaulting someone by force in video games most certainly isn't as accepted as murdering someone, nor will it ever be.

Comparing any kind of sexuality to murdering in video games certainly is a fatuous idea.

Ontain

All these argument are based on peoples personal views and what each of our limits are. We all draw the line somewhere. This is my limits. I dont accept murder, rape or child porn in real life. I do enjoy killing people in video games as i dont see it me doing anything real. I draw the line at rape or child porn as i wouldn't want to play a video game that has that in it and i wouldn't want it to be on sale.

Their's some people that doesn't even accept that playing a terrorist killing civilian should be in MW2 games. That their limit.

The sad truth is if a game had rape in it then some people would want to buy it. As long as the the majority of people is against it then it will never be allowed.

MW2 will be judged the same way. If the terrorist sceen is so bad then then people wont buy the game or will return it in protest. I think most people will show that they just dont care about this issue and play the game.

Who agrees?

[QUOTE="Propaganda_"]

It is more accepted. You're not allowed to watch child porn, but you're allowed to watch violent movies. If someone caughts you watching a very violent movie that involves a lot of killing, they're going to think you're the average man. If someone, though, caughts you watching child porn, which isn't even permitted by law, they're going to think you're a sick pedophile.

Ontain

Well, movies have very little to do with this.

I'd say only a microscopic part of the gaming world is interested in rape and would like to witness it while playing games. Consequently, it would spark the biggest controversy ever.

Gaming has done fine without rape in it for about 40 years now, so for what reason should we start?

I mean, we've had controversial games since 1976. If people found the crime of forcing someone else to have sex rather acceptable in digital media (video games), why haven't we had any? It's been 40 years. The answer is that people aren't foolish.

You are just reaching for anything you can grab now ,huh? If the was "no hiding of what was actually going on" than that would still be explicit and much much worse that blood splatter.

You have lost, Just because you are sensitive and can't handle an imaginary scene of violence, doesn't mean that the game should be censored or banned.

All these argument are based on peoples personal views and what each of our limits are. We all draw the line somewhere. This is my limits. I dont accept murder, rape or child porn in real life. I do enjoy killing people in video games as i dont see it me doing anything real. I draw the line at rape or child porn as i wouldn't want to play a video game that has that in it and i wouldn't want it to be on sale.

Their's some people that doesn't even accept that playing a terrorist killing civilian should be in MW2 games. That their limit.

The sad truth is if a game had rape in it then some people would want to buy it. As long as the the majority of people is against it then it will never be allowed.

MW2 will be judged the same way. If the terrorist sceen is so bad then then people wont buy the game or will return it in protest. I think most people will show that they just dont care about this issue and play the game.

Who agrees?

campbell1874

And that is why both of them are ok (both unrealistic rape and unrealistic murder in the media). What are you trying to get at here?

STurn21

Than why are you arguing against playing someone killing civilians in a game? Either you are lying, you are trolling, or you didn't read camp's post.

STurn21

[QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="campbell1874"]

All these argument are based on peoples personal views and what each of our limits are. We all draw the line somewhere. This is my limits. I dont accept murder, rape or child porn in real life. I do enjoy killing people in video games as i dont see it me doing anything real. I draw the line at rape or child porn as i wouldn't want to play a video game that has that in it and i wouldn't want it to be on sale.

Their's some people that doesn't even accept that playing a terrorist killing civilian should be in MW2 games. That their limit.

The sad truth is if a game had rape in it then some people would want to buy it. As long as the the majority of people is against it then it will never be allowed.

MW2 will be judged the same way. If the terrorist sceen is so bad then then people wont buy the game or will return it in protest. I think most people will show that they just dont care about this issue and play the game.

Who agrees?

STurn21

Than why are you arguing against playing someone killing civilians in a game? Either you are lying, you are trolling, or you didn't read camp's post.

I tried to end the topic nicely with most people being able to agree to my last post but that only lasted for one person. Never mind. Argue away.

[QUOTE="STurn21"]

[QUOTE="Ontain"] well said. I agree.campbell1874

Than why are you arguing against playing someone killing civilians in a game? Either you are lying, you are trolling, or you didn't read camp's post.

I tried to end the topic nicely with most people being able to agree to my last post but that only lasted for one person. Never mind. Argue away.

His message wasn't intended for you.

[QUOTE="fixer293"]

[QUOTE="hot114"] one is a 3d person arcadey sandbox game with laughable physics the other a FPS simulator with great detail in animations and graphicshot114

Man I hope you don't watch the news or a prime time tv show, you would be in an asylum, any form of censory is against the constitution. Pushing ones views, religion, andway of life is wrong. What one finds immoral, another moral. What one finds bad, another finds good.

Well then forget about GTA and lets talk about any other WWII videogame:

Inspired in true events.

You're killing innocent people who are forced to be in a political war.

Also, did you know that half the soldiers in wars are teenagers? they are used as living targets just to get info about the terrain, zone, enemies.

If you want immersion let's talk about movies like Hostel, it's supposed to be an illegal true underground world and still I don't recall people crying and insulting anyone because of this! Even if it isn't true and just a movie from one sick fuk you still can see the decadence and evil in someone's heart, yet it has 2 movies and a third one in the process.

damn this thread is still not locked

Theres a number of differences between the scenarios you mentioned and MW2 for me. The main to me is the setting and reaction of the people. In GTA you normally have a reason and the way they react is different. To me this just seems wrong.

to the offended people, just cowar away in a corner and go play Mario bros.......Oh wait a plumber who stomps on mushroom men, too violent. If you don't like the scene don't buy the game , and certainly don't come in here pushing your views on us. You offended people are also hypocrites are the opitome of political correctness gone wrong, trying to push your views, religions, and polotics on people.When you come into a game forum and $%^&* about how violent a scene is (jack thompson), and think you will get sympathy, think again, other than that GTFO, and have a cry and a nice day. IT IS A GAME , and any form of censoring is against the constitution,. If this game or any other game that has violence makes you cringe, for the love of god don't watch the news or read the newspaper, or live in reality. YOUR PARENTS HAVE LIED TO YOU< MONSTERS DO EXIST, DEAL WITH IT

/caps