My "BEEF" with FPS games these days...

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#101 savagetwinkie
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I dont like you comming into my thread, trolling and trying to derail this.

Its a thread, if you only wanted support for your arguments go to a support group where people want to cry on each other shoulders about this.

Who said games werent balanced? Never did I say that LMAO

5. In multiplayer, we're putting a bigger stress on being a douche, playing solo and camping, instead of working in a team towards an objective. Win/Loss ratio SHOULD be considered more imporant than Kill/Death, but all those snipers who would refuse to disarm the bomb even if it was strapped to their legs seem to disagree.

6. Once again in multiplayer, developers are relying too heavily on these psuedo-MMORPG elements to keep the player coming back for more, even if it greatly increases the learning curve for people trying to get into a game a long time after its release.

Both of these have effects on game balance, if people are camping and abusing certaing aspects its because they have an unfair advantage doing so. And unlocks increases the learning curve doesn't make since, you get extra stuff to make it slightly easier to kill people.

No fail. AI has not become any better. The only FPS series I've seen with an appreciable improvement in artificial intelligence is S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Crysis stepped backwards. Half-Life stepped backwards. Dice didnt learn from BC1 and the AI still have heat-seaking bullets or smart rounds loaded in their magazines.

What game are you playing and is BC2 the only game your trying to attack here? because 99% of games have only improved upon solid AI, maybe you just don't know how to play? Crysis has excellant ai, they'll actually spread out and try to flush you out of the bushes.

How do I have the worst arguements? You are confusing me with yourself. I'd pay attention to every little detail except...oh wait. They're not even there to begin with. Why are you beating a dead horse? You're just going to make yourself smell worse and look like a douche and you've beenjust doing that for the last few posts.

It's a bad argument because games do have more detail, its easy to simply the plot to its simplest elements and call it generic. You can do that with every game. And most games do have more details than just aliens attacking and such. Look at halo, aliens attack the earth right? oh wait what about the halo, what about the fact that the covenant aren't really attacking but trying to find the arc, and believe the humans are heretics. What about the flood and how the forerunners built the halo's to stop the flood from destorying the galaxy. And the covenant think the halo's will take them on a religious joyride when it will destroy the galaxy...

Who cares if a game is shorter? They offer no replayability because everything is scriptedlike aprimetime TV show.By assuming the linear hollywood blockbuster route a la Modern Warfare, there's VERY LITTLE room for replayability. And since we are slacking off in th AI department, fire fights are going to remain the same:static and predictable. Play F.E.A.R and then come back :X

Fear isn't a long game, most shooters aren't long games, in fact games now adays have plenty more extra things to do and you probably aren't paying attention to any of it. Apparentlly if you stopped and just enjoyed the game you'd notice all these improvements over enemy ai, some of the story details, and the fun easter eggs or other things you can accomplish messing around in it.

Wait...what? I havent complained about the price. I'm complaining about what we're getting for that price. I never complained about the price in the original post so why you incessantly moaning about it and trying to antagonize me? Stop trying to shove words into my mouth and potray me as some DarkSydePhil-esque poster.

I wasn't just speaking specifically about you, if you noticed i just said i don't like how gamers in general are doing this, its a growing mentaility of the stuff above, the demands of gamers, and what we feel like we should have to pay to get this. You just came here to complain about dev's and games and most of your conclusions aren't really backed up by good arguments. You just wanted support and now that I'm not aggreeing with you and pointing out that your apart of this growing mentality thats probably forcing dev's to find a new audiance thats more grateful of their talent instead of crying over everything, your getting upset.

I'm sorry but welcome to the world of I consumerism. I have the right to complain, especially when you're making promises a la Molyneux, not staying true to them and turning the quality meter backwards like its ******* Benjamin Button.Guess what? We have jobs too and we trust that the game developers are doing theirs. Gaming is now becoming like Rap: its become more popular but has been diluted to a plain tap water state...oh man I miss the 90's.

Games in the 90's weren't superior thats just nastalgia playing an illusion on you. every one has the right to complain, but that doesn't mean everyone complaints really matter and they arguments very smart. And since i'm "acting like a douche" by not agreeing with you, just shows how mature you really are.

You have no right to personally attack me and say i'm acting like a douche because i don't agree.

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#103 savagetwinkie
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[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="Microsoft1234"] There isn't any such thing as a "hard core" game, its your gaming habbits that make you "hard core", getting everything and being willing to neglect those you love for victory. Which is funny because most of the time those same people complain about games being too short and all they do is play through it quickly, and never bother again. Even games that do give people enough they'll still complain it being casual, halo is a great example, between legendary mode, skulls, online ranking, forge, record and share games, and people call it casual and a generic shooter. [QUOTE="Microsoft1234"] no there's so much unbalance in mw2, i enjoy playing it too (archerbro is gamertag) but the noob tubing (really why is it there in the first place?), the unbalance of perks like bling and one man army, and the game is definitely more about killstreak rewards than the actual objective. Games like search, capture have been ruined from cod4 to mw2. because of it. Microsoft1234

Almost everything in MW2 has a good counter, its about playing smarter to stay alive to get those kill streaks, and also its just so easy to die its easy to start writing everything off as imbalanced.

there's not really a counter to army of one, the only balanced version that exists of mw2 is the mlg version type and even that its hard to create balance because of the lan. In addition you have a bunch of times where the shotgun is inconsistent, one minute it'll register and kill from 10 ft away then you'll shoot a guy 2 feet away and he'll live. I've played mw2 enough that while I enjoy it, its definitely not balanced in comparison and those killstreaks basically promotes camping. Why should a game promote people to camp rather than do the objective? and cod 4 it wasn't easy to die unless you weren't good. Ive played mw2 on higher skilled levels and there is still unbalance just because of how the game's designed, and the playlists infinity ward has are some of the worst.

its not hard to stop camping, and army of one isn't hard to counter, i think scavenger is worse because as you make bodies it gives you piles of replenishable noob tubes and clamores. don't get me wrong i think the killstreaks go over board, but for the most part its just a game that is really easy to get lots of kills, but its hard to normally stay alive so it does promote camping. But like i said, if you're playing smart stopping campers isn't really difficult.
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#104 Kimbo_Slyce
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[QUOTE="Microsoft1234"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] Almost everything in MW2 has a good counter, its about playing smarter to stay alive to get those kill streaks, and also its just so easy to die its easy to start writing everything off as imbalanced.savagetwinkie

there's not really a counter to army of one, the only balanced version that exists of mw2 is the mlg version type and even that its hard to create balance because of the lan. In addition you have a bunch of times where the shotgun is inconsistent, one minute it'll register and kill from 10 ft away then you'll shoot a guy 2 feet away and he'll live. I've played mw2 enough that while I enjoy it, its definitely not balanced in comparison and those killstreaks basically promotes camping. Why should a game promote people to camp rather than do the objective? and cod 4 it wasn't easy to die unless you weren't good. Ive played mw2 on higher skilled levels and there is still unbalance just because of how the game's designed, and the playlists infinity ward has are some of the worst.

its not hard to stop camping, and army of one isn't hard to counter, i think scavenger is worse because as you make bodies it gives you piles of replenishable noob tubes and clamores. don't get me wrong i think the killstreaks go over board, but for the most part its just a game that is really easy to get lots of kills, but its hard to normally stay alive so it does promote camping. But like i said, if you're playing smart stopping campers isn't really difficult.

What are you still doing here? Leave and I'm being serious. The thread is already dead. Why do you insist on beating it like a dead horse through derailing? You have already murdered my beautiful stallion and now you mutilate its corpse...may the gods give me and all of Rome strength :cry:

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#106 Ultizer
Member since 2010 • 1037 Posts

I agree

even Chris metzen (blizzard,Wow) writing has been a bit poor

but bioware and SE are still around and bethesda

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#108 savagetwinkie
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[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

[QUOTE="Kimbo_Slyce"]

Oh dear god, help this poor sod. The above statement was full of so much fail....look buddy you're obviously trolling if you'd reply with something like that.

couldn't think of something to come back with eh?

OMFG NOW PLEASE LEAVE MY THREAD YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY TROLLING AND I'VE NAMED SOO MANY GAMES IN THIS THREAD. CRYSIS, HL2, BC2, FAR CRY 2, MW2, RIDDICK, ETC.

but they don't have worse ai than your praised ones, deliver proof and you shall be free

Who said F.E.A.R was a long game? I didnt say it was but on this note, itis sure as hell longer than FPS games today.Do you have trouble reading? Leave and come back after you finish your reading lessons.

you were complaining about the legnth of games there, and how much a game offeres, i really don't see anything as dwindling when it comes to content. Its not like you can't beat most old games in 6 hours.

I dont like how you are trying to assassinate my beautiful thread with this riff raff that doesnt even make any sense. Disagrement adds to the discussion, but mindless filfth doesnt. Leave.

apparently you don't know the difference between an argument and just contradiction, or how to bring your own intelligent responses into the mix

Making things up arent me? I edited that comment because I had obscenities in it, but no personal attacks. And you have absolutely no right to slander me by antagonizing me through telling lies. You're acting like a douche by completley ignoring my retorts andreplying with trashthat doesnt even make sense(and using false information as fuel and stupidity as the cogs of this trolling machine). Who said games were better in the 90's? Leave my thread. Leave my thread and LEAVE MY THREAD. I said RAP was better. Am I being punk'd?

you said i'm a liek a douche because i'm disagreeing with you, and since you just don't like my arguments your the one completely ignoring them.

Leave this thread.

Leave this thread.

Leave this thread.

Leave this thread.

Kimbo_Slyce

lol, way to act mature and respectful, have you tried sticking yourfinguresin you're ears and screaming lalalalalalalalalala

fucking ****** suck my dick

was there a reason for bolding fingures and posting a picture like that, especially after your previous post...

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#109 savagetwinkie
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You're just such a douche that I'm not even going to bother replying. Nice one therekilling a dog giving birth, kicking her skull in, eating her young, taking a piss on her and then lighting her on fire. You're the worst troll I've ever seen in my life. Good job. I'm going to make a second account just like you and totally crash threads, all while flying past all this site's loopholes and seeming like an idiot so that the mods dont suspend me for disruptive posting.

Kimbo_Slyce

what exactly is wrong with you? you posted on a forum which is designed around debate and now i'm acting like a douche for argueing against you?

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#110 Kokuro_Kun
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Killzone is really good as is Half life. Defineatly two of the best AI wise. I agree with most of your parents the first one being the most aggrivating to me. However as developing gets more expensive devs try some of these ways to cut corners.
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#111 Kimbo_Slyce
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[QUOTE="Kimbo_Slyce"]You're just such a douche that I'm not even going to bother replying. Nice one therekilling a dog giving birth, kicking her skull in, eating her young, taking a piss on her and then lighting her on fire. You're the worst troll I've ever seen in my life. Good job. I'm going to make a second account just like you and totally crash threads, all while flying past all this site's loopholes and seeming like an idiot so that the mods dont suspend me for disruptive posting.

savagetwinkie

what exactly is wrong with you? you posted on a forum which is designed around debate and now i'm acting like a douche for argueing against you?

Lol you're too much. Now I'm laughing, I'm not mad. You loose troll.

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#112 Asim90
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I agree with pretty much all your points TC except there is one exception to your second point, Killzone 2 has incredibly AI, probably the best I've seen this gen.

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#115 savagetwinkie
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[QUOTE="Kimbo_Slyce"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

[QUOTE="Kimbo_Slyce"]You're just such a douche that I'm not even going to bother replying. Nice one therekilling a dog giving birth, kicking her skull in, eating her young, taking a piss on her and then lighting her on fire. You're the worst troll I've ever seen in my life. Good job. I'm going to make a second account just like you and totally crash threads, all while flying past all this site's loopholes and seeming like an idiot so that the mods dont suspend me for disruptive posting.

what exactly is wrong with you? you posted on a forum which is designed around debate and now i'm acting like a douche for argueing against you?

Lol you're too much. Now I'm laughing, I'm not mad. You loose troll.

i'm a troll because you fail to comprehend my arguments, havn't backed up any of your claims, and start telling me i'm acting like a douche... right because i'm the one acting like an troll.
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#116 Kimbo_Slyce
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[QUOTE="Kimbo_Slyce"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] what exactly is wrong with you? you posted on a forum which is designed around debate and now i'm acting like a douche for argueing against you?

savagetwinkie

Lol you're too much. Now I'm laughing, I'm not mad. You loose troll.

i'm a troll because you fail to comprehend my arguments, havn't backed up any of your claims, and start telling me i'm acting like a douche... right because i'm the one acting like an troll.

Lol at the first bolded (your arguments are incoherent, full of liesand retarded) and triple lol at the text in red.

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#118 savagetwinkie
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[QUOTE="Kimbo_Slyce"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="Kimbo_Slyce"]Lol you're too much. Now I'm laughing, I'm not mad. You loose troll.

i'm a troll because you fail to comprehend my arguments, havn't backed up any of your claims, and start telling me i'm acting like a douche... right because i'm the one acting like an troll.

Lol at the first bolded (your arguments are incoherent, full of liesand retarded) and triple lol at the text in red.

How exactly are my arguments incoherent? You say too many dev's rip each other off, but there are plenty of different types of games to get, theres bioshock, stalker, crysis, halo, crackdown... and yet consumers mainly buy cod clones and you wonder why they are being ripped off? you say the ai is goign backwards, but ai still flanks, works in groups, sometimes even gets health packs, they have a sloppier degree of aim to be more realisitc and not have aim bot reflexes. you say games are generic story lines, and your argument is just over simplification of the basics, mainly who your fighting... but leave out motives, characters, details you complain about games rewarding camping when they clearly have ways to combat it via explosives and well, being smart you complain about dev's adding rewards for peopel in MP to give them an edge but somehow by making it easier and giving them better equipment it increses the learning curve... and complain about the length of gamies being... shorter... when they are just as long as games that were made years ago. you can beat most shooters in 6 hours aprat from the free rome ones like stalker, badlands, fallout.
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#119 LookAnDrolL
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I think you are overreacting a bit here. Crysis has a generic story... but its hardly a COD clone.
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#120 savagetwinkie
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[QUOTE="Kimbo_Slyce"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="Kimbo_Slyce"]Lol you're too much. Now I'm laughing, I'm not mad. You loose troll.

Hey guess what Kimbo? I'm a douchebag and I love derialing threads, trolling andmaking my"internet opponnents" aweat allthe strength and vigor of my raw stupiditiy and inability to read, focus on the subject and reply with something that actually makessense andfollows theoriginal message

Yeah man I know. Its nice that you admitted it.

troll am revealed, I'm sorry for disagreeing with you, but the way you've conducted yourself is childish, and attacking me is absolutly ridiculous. I'm done here, and i leave you with hand fulls or reports hopefully the moderators go easy on you.
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#121 Metroid_Other_M
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sooner or late they'll stop this fps's craze and provide us with something less tedious.

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#123 hoola
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There have been very few FPS games that i have thoroughly enjoyed all the way through. Those games being every game from Valve, Crysis and Mirrors Edge. For story in FPS games, nothing beats the Half Life series. For variety in level design and replayability Crysis takes the cake. For just simply attempting something DIFFERENT in the first person perspective Mirrors Edge gets on that list as well and it also has a wonderful atmosphere which a lot of FPS games lack now.

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#124 -Snooze-
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Killzone had good AI? I must have been playing another grayscale title. The AI and campaign in general was appalling. The Bots wereexcellent though, but that didn't translate to singleplayer.

I agree with a lot of your point though. Shooters in general suck nowadays. Sadly I think Halo Reach is the only "different" shooter out there, and i doubt i'll like it.

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#125 tutt3r
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cant beat fps for online fragging action though

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#126 MerisYaki
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You don't seem to have a problem with them playing the same.

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#127 aaronmullan
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Play Team Fortress 2 = problem solved.
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#128 porkysownu
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my main beef, with any shooter, is where the hell if the cover system. If you've ever paintballed, or been in a real firefight, IT IS ALL ABOUT COVER. I know realism =/= fun, but damn. Having cover makes linear shooter comabt way more enjoyable, and big open combat like battlefield more realistic.
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#129 MerisYaki
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Play Team Fortress 2 = problem solved.aaronmullan


That game just shows how little FPS genre has evolved over time.
Different c l a s s es + cel shaded graphics = the most unique first-person shooter ever.

What a simplistic genre.

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#130 darthvader1993
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[QUOTE="darthvader1993"]

[QUOTE="Kimbo_Slyce"]Yeah Borderlands was fun, but there were only what felt like four enemy types. The environments also lack some variety:l

Kimbo_Slyce

You lose a lot of credibility with me on this post...

Have yuo played, and/or beaten the game?

Yes I've played the game and enemy variety is a common complaint. I believe it was even mentioned in an IGN review. There were bandits, the dogs and spiderants but I was hoping there'd be more than just that. Sure there's variety within the bandits like the flaming guys, midgets, roidjunkies, etc but in a world like Pandora, I was expecting more wildlife and more variety in that wildlife.

Well, I've found there to be a larger enemy variety in Borderlands than most other modern games.

Enemies fall into these categories:

- Bandits

- Skag

-Rakk

- Crimson Lance

- Eridean (Aliens)

-Spiderant

- Slugs(unsure of name)

-Bosses (minor and major)

DLC)

-The Undead

-Expansions to alien wildlife, crimson bandit and boss enemy types.

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In each of these categories, there are an average of 8-13 or so types of these enemies.

So...

Thats well over 50 different enemies off the bat I'm talking about.

With random setups when you face these enemies, I'm surprised anyone can say they lack variety.

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And considering it when compared to the enemies of the "modern day" FPS.

- nameless terrorist

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#131 BELOW_MEE
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[QUOTE="Kimbo_Slyce"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] Hey guess what Kimbo? I'm a douchebag and I love derialing threads, trolling andmaking my"internet opponnents" aweat allthe strength and vigor of my raw stupiditiy and inability to read, focus on the subject and reply with something that actually makessense andfollows theoriginal messagesavagetwinkie

Yeah man I know. Its nice that you admitted it.

troll am revealed, I'm sorry for disagreeing with you, but the way you've conducted yourself is childish, and attacking me is absolutly ridiculous. I'm done here, and i leave you with hand fulls or reports hopefully the moderators go easy on you.

I've just gone through all these comments, and I must say, you are extremely dillusional.
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#132 zbdyx
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1. It's hard to do new things with shooters. What's wrong with ripping off when the game is done right. I love MOH, even if it is a hybrid of Battlefield and CoD. Oh, and if I'm not mistaken the first MOH came out before the 1st CoD. 2. Some games have decent AI. I like being bombarded with enemies. Gives me more people to kill. 3. Some, if not most, shooters are made for the online. The developers don't care for the singleplayer anymore. To be honest, if sacrificing a decent singleplayer to make an amazing multiplayer, I'm all for it 4. Most shooter are based on modern wars now or something of the likes. It would be stupid if Battlefield or CoD went to Jupiter. I do agree that it would be nice to see better environments. 5. CoD is truly the only game that stresses that. Camping, whether or not you hate it, is a legitimate strategy. It is smart to get a good spot and get a great stream of kills. Why would you run and gun in team deathmatch? Same with objective types. If a guy is taking out people, it should be easier for you to arm the objective or capture the flag. A player should be allowed to choose how he plays. 6. What games make it increase the learning curve? I love being able to change my characters looks, customize his weapons, and more. 7. There are stereotypes for people. 8. Once again, main focus is on the multiplayer. 9. Again, it's all about the multi. Just my $.02
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#133 BELOW_MEE
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[QUOTE="zbdyx"]1. It's hard to do new things with shooters. What's wrong with ripping off when the game is done right. I love MOH, even if it is a hybrid of Battlefield and CoD. Oh, and if I'm not mistaken the first MOH came out before the 1st CoD. 2. Some games have decent AI. I like being bombarded with enemies. Gives me more people to kill. 3. Some, if not most, shooters are made for the online. The developers don't care for the singleplayer anymore. To be honest, if sacrificing a decent singleplayer to make an amazing multiplayer, I'm all for it 4. Most shooter are based on modern wars now or something of the likes. It would be stupid if Battlefield or CoD went to Jupiter. I do agree that it would be nice to see better environments. 5. CoD is truly the only game that stresses that. Camping, whether or not you hate it, is a legitimate strategy. It is smart to get a good spot and get a great stream of kills. Why would you run and gun in team deathmatch? Same with objective types. If a guy is taking out people, it should be easier for you to arm the objective or capture the flag. A player should be allowed to choose how he plays. 6. What games make it increase the learning curve? I love being able to change my characters looks, customize his weapons, and more. 7. There are stereotypes for people. 8. Once again, main focus is on the multiplayer. 9. Again, it's all about the multi. Just my $.02

1. MoH is a disgusting rip off of CoD Modern Warfare and I dont think the TC was implying that previous MoH games copied off of Call of Duty, because thats just false and everybody knows that, right? 2. I can definately see what the TC was saying. It is true, the marines of Half-Life were far more formidable than they're HL2 Columbine counterparts and Crysis was a HUUUUGE step backwards. But he seems to be focusing too narrowly on a couple of games and AI isnt really going backwards as he is implying; its just been stagnated. I havent heard of any mainstream AI breakthroughs in a long time as opposed to hearing about some insane and new lighting system every day. 3. I'm all for that too, but when a half finished game like Bad Company 2 comes out, then it just makes you steam through your ears as to how and why they bothered to push out a game with bloody awful SP and half finished MP (VIP codes lulz), complete with buggy netcode and uncesseary updates. 4. But DO they ALL have to be based in Afghanistan lol? 5. But games are now being steadily designed to accomadate camping, and not really punish it. 6. Pretty much any FPS with unlocks. Go play Battlefield 2 then ask that question again. You'll be getting hammered by maxxed out Supports left to right if they arent being booted off for whoring the class.
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#134 Juggernaut140
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Killzone 2's AI is easily comparable to F.E.A.R.'s. But short campaigns this gen really disappoint.

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I don't agree at all.
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#135 zbdyx
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[QUOTE="zbdyx"] My 2 cents. BELOW_MEE
1. MoH is a disgusting rip off of CoD Modern Warfare and I dont think the TC was implying that previous MoH games copied off of Call of Duty, because thats just false and everybody knows that, right? 2. I can definately see what the TC was saying. It is true, the marines of Half-Life were far more formidable than they're HL2 Columbine counterparts and Crysis was a HUUUUGE step backwards. But he seems to be focusing too narrowly on a couple of games and AI isnt really going backwards as he is implying; its just been stagnated. I havent heard of any mainstream AI breakthroughs in a long time as opposed to hearing about some insane and new lighting system every day. 3. I'm all for that too, but when a half finished game like Bad Company 2 comes out, then it just makes you steam through your ears as to how and why they bothered to push out a game with bloody awful SP and half finished MP (VIP codes lulz), complete with buggy netcode and uncesseary updates. 4. But DO they ALL have to be based in Afghanistan lol? 5. But games are now being steadily designed to accomadate camping, and not really punish it. 6. Pretty much any FPS with unlocks. Go play Battlefield 2 then ask that question again. You'll be getting hammered by maxxed out Supports left to right if they arent being booted off for whoring the class.

1. But is it bad? Just because it rips off does not mean it's bad. I love the beta to death. I have had more fun with it than any game this year. 2. I think we can agree that some games have great AI while others are crappy. 3. Battlefield was fine till they patched it. I agree with you there. Still, how is it half finished. You have unlocks, and 4 game modes. VIP codes are free variations of maps that you get for supporting the company by buying the game new. 4. No they don't all have to be in the same place. I agree. 5. Only MW and MoH do it. I repeat. IT IS A LEGITIMATE STRATEGY. Why should you be punished for finding a good spot and killing dumb asses who keep running out. 6.For them being dedicated, they deserve those unlocks. It's not their fault you got the game late, or just aren't that skilled at it. I do believe that they should get a fighting chance though. No point in punishing the bad players.
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#137 dakan45
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Thats not only fps. Eg: mass effect was alot like that, short ,generic, bad ai. Its all games mainly and the fact that gamedevelopers like to rip each other off even in control and features in order to get more like he high rated game and they like to make sequels and reboots when there is no need.
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#138 BELOW_MEE
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[QUOTE="BELOW_MEE"][QUOTE="zbdyx"] My 2 cents. zbdyx
1. MoH is a disgusting rip off of CoD Modern Warfare and I dont think the TC was implying that previous MoH games copied off of Call of Duty, because thats just false and everybody knows that, right? 2. I can definately see what the TC was saying. It is true, the marines of Half-Life were far more formidable than they're HL2 Columbine counterparts and Crysis was a HUUUUGE step backwards. But he seems to be focusing too narrowly on a couple of games and AI isnt really going backwards as he is implying; its just been stagnated. I havent heard of any mainstream AI breakthroughs in a long time as opposed to hearing about some insane and new lighting system every day. 3. I'm all for that too, but when a half finished game like Bad Company 2 comes out, then it just makes you steam through your ears as to how and why they bothered to push out a game with bloody awful SP and half finished MP (VIP codes lulz), complete with buggy netcode and uncesseary updates. 4. But DO they ALL have to be based in Afghanistan lol? 5. But games are now being steadily designed to accomadate camping, and not really punish it. 6. Pretty much any FPS with unlocks. Go play Battlefield 2 then ask that question again. You'll be getting hammered by maxxed out Supports left to right if they arent being booted off for whoring the class.

1. But is it bad? Just because it rips off does not mean it's bad. I love the beta to death. I have had more fun with it than any game this year. 2. I think we can agree that some games have great AI while others are crappy. 3. Battlefield was fine till they patched it. I agree with you there. Still, how is it half finished. You have unlocks, and 4 game modes. VIP codes are free variations of maps that you get for supporting the company by buying the game new. 4. No they don't all have to be in the same place. I agree. 5. Only MW and MoH do it. I repeat. IT IS A LEGITIMATE STRATEGY. Why should you be punished for finding a good spot and killing dumb asses who keep running out. 6.For them being dedicated, they deserve those unlocks. It's not their fault you got the game late, or just aren't that skilled at it. I do believe that they should get a fighting chance though. No point in punishing the bad players.

1. It shows lazyiness on the behalf of the developer and confirms that this medium is starting to be filled with trash, just like in the 80s when videogames almost died. 2. Its more like 30% have crappy AI, 60% have average and a mere 10% have good AI. It was like this last gen so I dont really see why TC is saying that its getting worse 3. Its half finished because the netcode is buggy and those game modes should have been in the game from the beginning. IMO it also needs new maps. Its been like half a year and no map packs? GTFO 5. You shouldnt be punished for doing that bro. You're completely right. But you shouldnt be REWARDED. There needs to be more incentive to after the objective to be a team player, and less to sit back and inflate your K/D.
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#139 zbdyx
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[QUOTE="zbdyx"][QUOTE="BELOW_MEE"][QUOTE="zbdyx"] My 2 cents. BELOW_MEE
Ur 2 cents. Then mine. Then urs

1. Oh well, they're lazy. The game they made was good though, was it not. I love Battlefield BC2 and MoH beta. They do nothing new, but are wonderful games. 2. Agree. 3. Why should they have been there in the beginning. It is the dev's choice to release content and decide where it goes. I love what they did witht the VIP system. 5. How does the software know if you've gotten a kill from camping or running around. You should be rewarded for getting kills and points, like in MoH. You can then support your team with a support action.
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[QUOTE="BELOW_MEE"][QUOTE="zbdyx"][QUOTE="BELOW_MEE"][QUOTE="zbdyx"] My 2 cents. zbdyx
Ur 2 cents. Then mine. Then urs

1. Oh well, they're lazy. The game they made was good though, was it not. I love Battlefield BC2 and MoH beta. They do nothing new, but are wonderful games. 2. Agree. 3. Why should they have been there in the beginning. It is the dev's choice to release content and decide where it goes. I love what they did witht the VIP system. 5. How does the software know if you've gotten a kill from camping or running around. You should be rewarded for getting kills and points, like in MoH. You can then support your team with a support action.

1. MoH beta was a CoD clone. If you're already bored of CoD and find it trite, then MoH is not going to do you any favors. I'd rather spend $15 on the new Resurgence map pack and increase the longevity of the SUPERIOR and ORIGINAL mindless and arcadey hyperfragfest shooter. 3. I boought BC2 in May I believe and I'm already bored of it. And yeah since its their choice, they should stop being idiots and release more content because 4 maps for conquest are obviously not going to keep the game alive for more than 6 months. The game has already been toppled off of MGC's most played game of the week and it now ranks low on Major Nelson's list, a far more reliable source. The VIP system should have been the dev's labor of love for us. I thought they'd be doing decent things like allowing us to download new map packs at discount price, free gamerpics, etc but It was utilized instead as toilet paper for their lazy asses and to clean up the big stinky mess of them not being competent to include game mode variants for maps that should have been in the game since launch.
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#141 BELOW_MEE
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If you want to see how the VIP code SHOULD have been used, a better example (but not by much) is what EA did with Dragon Age and Mass Effect 2 with the whole Ceberus Key thing and exclusive armors.
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#142 zbdyx
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[QUOTE="zbdyx"][QUOTE="BELOW_MEE"] Ur 2 cents. Then mine. Then ursBELOW_MEE
1. Oh well, they're lazy. The game they made was good though, was it not. I love Battlefield BC2 and MoH beta. They do nothing new, but are wonderful games. 2. Agree. 3. Why should they have been there in the beginning. It is the dev's choice to release content and decide where it goes. I love what they did witht the VIP system. 5. How does the software know if you've gotten a kill from camping or running around. You should be rewarded for getting kills and points, like in MoH. You can then support your team with a support action.

1. MoH beta was a CoD clone. If you're already bored of CoD and find it trite, then MoH is not going to do you any favors. I'd rather spend $15 on the new Resurgence map pack and increase the longevity of the SUPERIOR and ORIGINAL mindless and arcadey hyperfragfest shooter. 3. I boought BC2 in May I believe and I'm already bored of it. And yeah since its their choice, they should stop being idiots and release more content because 4 maps for conquest are obviously not going to keep the game alive for more than 6 months. The game has already been toppled off of MGC's most played game of the week and it now ranks low on Major Nelson's list, a far more reliable source. The VIP system should have been the dev's labor of love for us. I thought they'd be doing decent things like allowing us to download new map packs at discount price, free gamerpics, etc but It was utilized instead as toilet paper for their lazy asses and to clean up the big stinky mess of them not being competent to include game mode variants for maps that should have been in the game since launch.

1. I hate CoD but love this game. It's all in the eye of the beholder. I love it, you hate it. I think this is the best FPS I have played on consoles in a while. It is fun and fast paced. 3. VIP isn't just for BFBC2. If you bought it, you got early access to MoH beta and more stuff. Once again, it's just all preference. Nice debating with you. 8)

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[QUOTE="BELOW_MEE"][QUOTE="zbdyx"] 1. Oh well, they're lazy. The game they made was good though, was it not. I love Battlefield BC2 and MoH beta. They do nothing new, but are wonderful games. 2. Agree. 3. Why should they have been there in the beginning. It is the dev's choice to release content and decide where it goes. I love what they did witht the VIP system. 5. How does the software know if you've gotten a kill from camping or running around. You should be rewarded for getting kills and points, like in MoH. You can then support your team with a support action.zbdyx

1. MoH beta was a CoD clone. If you're already bored of CoD and find it trite, then MoH is not going to do you any favors. I'd rather spend $15 on the new Resurgence map pack and increase the longevity of the SUPERIOR and ORIGINAL mindless and arcadey hyperfragfest shooter. 3. I boought BC2 in May I believe and I'm already bored of it. And yeah since its their choice, they should stop being idiots and release more content because 4 maps for conquest are obviously not going to keep the game alive for more than 6 months. The game has already been toppled off of MGC's most played game of the week and it now ranks low on Major Nelson's list, a far more reliable source. The VIP system should have been the dev's labor of love for us. I thought they'd be doing decent things like allowing us to download new map packs at discount price, free gamerpics, etc but It was utilized instead as toilet paper for their lazy asses and to clean up the big stinky mess of them not being competent to include game mode variants for maps that should have been in the game since launch.

1. I hate CoD but love this game. It's all in the eye of the beholder. I love it, you hate it. I think this is the best FPS I have played on consoles in a while. It is fun and fast paced. 3. VIP isn't just for BFBC2. If you bought it, you got early access to MoH beta and more stuff. Once again, it's just all preference. Nice debating with you. 8)

Who said I hate CoD? Like I said before, BioWare's handling of ME2 and Dragon Age Origins was how the VIP codes should have been used. But yeah, nice debating with you 8)
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Some good points, the last shooter that i truly enjoyed was Crysis 1 ( i beat the campaign like 3 or 4 times). However while the BC2`s SP isnt the best, the MP is a blast, specially if you are playing with friends. Most of what you said its spot on though, and its one of the reasons as to why the only shooter im looking forward to the most is actually Bulletstorm. :?
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The AI system designed for Crysis is the best there has ever been in an FPS, however the implementation (especially the balance) within the game itself was poor and gave people a false impression that the AI sucked. In most games the AI always knows where you are and has to 'fake' that it doesn't, whereas in Crysis the AI has real visual detection methods, and actually can't see enemies if they are, for example, hiding in foliage or behind a wall. Crysis' AI also supports accuracy variation depending on how fast or irratic the player's movement is - this allows for dodging to actually be effective, instead of the AI in previous games which has the same accuracy no matter how hard the target is to hit. Additionally, The AI's movements are real, not scripted, so they can be placed in any environment and will dynamically react to it - scipted AI simply won;t function if placed in a completely different situation. The AI was revolutionary, but thanks to console gamers claiming that the AI is bad, FPS developers in the future will be discouraged from the risk of creating real AI and will instead use the tried-and-tested method of AI scripting. Enjoy scripted AI console gamers.
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[QUOTE="CentricStorm"]The AI system designed for Crysis is the best there has ever been in an FPS, however the implementation (especially the balance) within the game itself was poor and gave people a false impression that the AI sucked. In most games the AI always knows where you are and has to 'fake' that it doesn't, whereas in Crysis the AI has real visual detection methods, and actually can't see enemies if they are, for example, hiding in foliage or behind a wall. Crysis' AI also supports accuracy variation depending on how fast or irratic the player's movement is - this allows for dodging to actually be effective, instead of the AI in previous games which has the same accuracy no matter how hard the target is to hit. Additionally, The AI's movements are real, not scripted, so they can be placed in any environment and will dynamically react to it - scipted AI simply won;t function if placed in a completely different situation. The AI was revolutionary, but thanks to console gamers claiming that the AI is bad, FPS developers in the future will be discouraged from the risk of creating real AI and will instead use the tried-and-tested method of AI scripting. Enjoy scripted AI console gamers.

Who cares how fancy the AI system was if it wasnt even implemented well? That's like bragging about a Bugatti Veyron with the engine of a Honda Civic and wheels stolen from a LEGO truck.
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Who cares how fancy the AI system was if it wasnt even implemented well? That's like bragging about a Bugatti Veyron with the engine of a Honda Civic and wheels stolen from a LEGO truck.BELOW_MEE
Modders care. The potential for AI enhancement in Crysis far surpasses that of any other game.
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[QUOTE="BELOW_MEE"]Who cares how fancy the AI system was if it wasnt even implemented well? That's like bragging about a Bugatti Veyron with the engine of a Honda Civic and wheels stolen from a LEGO truck.CentricStorm
Modders care.

Do you think the rest of the consumers care (in other words, everyone else)?
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#149 CentricStorm
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[QUOTE="CentricStorm"][QUOTE="BELOW_MEE"]Who cares how fancy the AI system was if it wasnt even implemented well? That's like bragging about a Bugatti Veyron with the engine of a Honda Civic and wheels stolen from a LEGO truck.BELOW_MEE
Modders care.

Do you think the rest of the consumers care (in other words, everyone else)?

Well, PC gamers might be interested in playing high-quality AI modifications, but of course the console gamers don't care. That's why they say that Crysis and Oblivion both had 'bad AI', and that's why the majority of game developers have resorted to AI scripting; preventing future AI advancement from occurring. Thanks to the console gamers, AI will never improve, and singleplayer experiences will continue to fall from popularity.
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#150 BELOW_MEE
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[QUOTE="BELOW_MEE"][QUOTE="CentricStorm"] Modders care.CentricStorm
Do you think the rest of the consumers care (in other words, everyone else)?

Well, PC gamers might be interested in playing high-quality AI modifications, but of course the console gamers don't care. That's why they say that Crysis and Oblivion both had 'bad AI', and that's why the majority of game developers have resorted to AI scripting; preventing future AI advancement from occurring. Thanks to the console gamers, AI will never improve, and singleplayer experiences will continue to fall from popularity.

So you're telling me its selfish to expect a developer to produce AI that performs well in-game (100% of the userbase will enjoy this) as opposed to being selfless and producing AI that can work at a high theoretical capacity but be implemented so badly that the enemies come off as retarded so like what, less than 5% of thee userbase can tinker around, fix whats broken and producd some half baked mods? :lol: console conspiracy unveiled by the ever-so vigilant user, CentricStorm. :D