My theory of why the NGP will outsell the 3DS in North America/UK/AU.

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Okay, now before I say anything, let's get some things clear. I am not a fanboy… Of any company. I am not a hermit, I am not a lemming, I am not a cow, and I am not a sheep. I love my Microsoft, I love my Sony, and I love my Nintendo. This is the best mindset to have if you are a gamer. This way you are not attaching yourself to one (or a select few) companies or consoles. You can have it all. With that being said. Let's begin.

The reason the last three Nintendo consoles have sold so well is for a number of reasons. I will list them here:

(1.) Nintendo over the turn of the 21'st century has become a gimmicky company. Relying on current/upcoming/in development market gimmicks/"innovations" to sell their products right off the bat. I'm definitely not saying that there's anything wrong with that. Nintendo has proven that gimmicks/"innovations" sell. Allow me to give you some examples.

(2.) Nintendo's software/hardware appeals to a larger crowd of people(not to mention most of Japan, The Japanese love their RPG's, Mario, and Pokemon, which is something that Nintendo is ripe with.) Nintendo doesn't appeal nearly as much to core gamers, as much as it does very, very casual gamers, soccer moms/soccer dads, older people who grew up with Nintendo franchises like Mario, little kids, people trying to lose weight without leaving their home(I'm not saying that it doesn't appeal to core gamers at all because it somewhat does, seeing as I like Nintendo) Because of this, Nintendo appeals to a much, much larger consumer pool than Sony, and Microsoft.

(A.) Look at the DS. What was the market becoming crazy about at that time? Touch screens. Nintendo used this as a gimmick/method to sell their product. It worked like a charm. DS's sold like hotcakes. Not to mention developers saw this as a chance to also begin development on this newly found control scheme.

(B.) Now look at the Wii. During it's release what was the gimmick in the market, that was undoubtedly gaining steam? Motion sensitive controls. Which BTW in the Wii's case was often poorly implemented in it's games, also Nintendo had to release the Wii Motion+ to even get their motion controls to the caliber that they first intended it to be.

(C.) Most recently look a the 3DS. Nintendo is doing it again. Using a current market gimmick to sell their product. And once again. It will work like a charm.

Nintendo seems to believe that all you need is an up and coming/current gimmick or innovation of the traditional game pad/joypad/joystick to crop in the sells. Which so far has been true. Many people prefer the traditional control schemes as opposed to motion controls or touch screens though. But everyone wants to try whats "new" or "in". So the systems end up selling well anyway. They are only taking risks in the theoretical sense. Not the literal sense. Think about it. Honestly, what crowd does the Wii generally appeal to? Not hardcore gamers(albeit some hardcore gamers do like the Wii) it appeals to families, soccer moms/soccer dads, people who want to lose weight, little eight year old kids, ETC. With that being said the Wii appeals to an undoubtedly larger audience than the PS3/360. Why do you think a very large portion of it's exclusives are kid/family orientated? Why do you think that it has outsold the two consoles? Because it's target audience is much larger. The Wii implementing motion controls and being graphically a weaker console was not a risky move. Not only did the Wii have the backing of Nintendo's cult-like following, but because of the fact that it was cheaper to make than the other two consoles, it could be sold at a much lower price not to mention the fact that it had the motion controls( that were usually poorly implemented) to propel it to astronomical sales, and profits for Nintendo. The Wii wasn't necessarily created to be an excellent gaming system, it was created to sell to the teeming masses, and it has. Creating the Wii may of seemed like a risky move to the untrained eye, but it wasn't.

Contrary to popular belief the Microsoft/Sony are taking risks. By selling their products at a lose. That is undoubtedly a risky move. Not to mention Sony having free online(I'm not saying that the Wii doesn't because it does, but it is a known fact that the Wii's online is horrible. Not even worth a monthly fee.)

 

People like to argue that Nintendo's console haven't sold from gimmicks, but from content. This is not true. On average Wii owners play their consoles fewer hours a week than 360/PS3 owners. This is a fact. I'm definitely not saying that Nintendo has bad games they do have good ones, but the PS3/360 on average have better. Go to the following pages on gamespot.com, and look at the highest rated for each of the three consoles. On average the Wii has a lower "Highest Rated" score than the other two consoles. Not to mention that 3rd party multiplatform games are usually absolute garbage on the Wii compared to it's PS3/360 counterparts. Sometimes 3rd party companies don't even bother with the Wii. What is this telling you? That graphics/horsepower/processing power definitely help at making an excellent game. I have given you evidence. Nintendo is gimmicky. Not to mention that with the Wii, Nintendo pretended like their factories were having trouble keeping up with supply, so the consumers would be tricked into buying their product by thinking something like this: "O_o That Wii console must be incredible, it's selling so well that manufacturing plants are having trouble with keeping up with demand, I must have one @_@!!!"(A simple Supply&Demand marketing scheme) People have caught onto this which is why PS3/360 is outselling the Wii as of late both in hardware, and software.

 

Now let's look at the forthcoming handheld match up. Many people like to argue that the 3DS will PWN the NGP in terms of sales because of it's 3D, it's selection of games, and that the NGP will be "overpriced". They also argue that just because the NGP is much more powerful than the 3DS that it will still PWN it because they believe that since(in terms of sales) DS >>> PSP. I will now properly address all of these "issues".

(1.) Because of the fact that the 3DS has 3D without the need for glasses it will sell very well from the beginning. Just as Nintendo's previous consoles/handhelds have done. But I see something happening. I see a small child having a trigged epilepsy(or worse) due to the 3DS. I know very well that such things can be triggered from non 3D systems/consoles, but guess what people? The 3DS has more complex visuals than any console before it(3D without glasses) The media WILL blow things out of proportion, and make things very rough for the 3DS, some eye doctors may even argue that the 3DS is more likely to trigger this than other consoles(This may be true, though I am not sure.) Mothers/Fathers will be wary to buy their children a 3DS after this occurrence. And what does that mean? More sales for the NGP….. Possibly MANY, MANY more sales….

 

(2.) Now lets look at it's selection of games…. Nintendo hasfamed video games licenses on lock, like Pokemon, Mario ETC. But let's look at the console market for a moment. Especially the console markets of non-Asian countries. Like countries in continents like Europe, and North America. What genre of game dominate these home console markets? Shooters. Without a doubt. Now many of you might say: "What in the hell does that have to do with portable systems?". I'll tell you what…. What is of utmost importance for a controller to have for a shooter to work? Two good/solid/well functioning analog sticks. And until now, no portable gaming machine has had that. Which is why shooters have not yet begun to dominate portable gaming consoles. The NGP has both of these. What is going to happen? The NGP will get all of the excellent/great selling shooters that people love. Hell, Microsoft may even publish some games for it, if it doesn't want to dip it's feet in the handheld market with it's own system. Everyone who even moderately enjoys shooters, and isn't a complete Nintendo fan boy/hates Sony will buy an NGP. There is a reason that shooters dominate the home console market, and not games like Pokemon. So people saying that the NGP will have no games like the PSP need to stop saying that. Not to mention that the NGP is powerful enough to support any kind of game of any genre, not to mention that it has the controls to do so. NGP will have a hefty game selection, it just corrects any reasons as to why the PSP did not.

(3.) The NGP will not be overpriced. Sony has learned from it's mistakes. Which is why a PS3 costs half of what it use to. $299.99 from $599.99. Not to mention if the NGP costs $350, and the 3DS costs $250 you are undoubtedly getting more bang for you buck with the NGP.

(4.) In terms of sales the DS >>> PSP. That is a fact. And people like to use this as an outline as proof that once again Nintendo's handheld will outsell Sony's. But like I stated above, all of those reasons as to why that has happened are being corrected. They also like to use this as proof that graphical power does not make a better console. Well just let me say this: The differences in graphical power is like comparing a Wii, and a 360. The 3DS isn't quite as powerful as the Wii, and the NGP isn't quite as powerful as a 360. It may be the same strength of a 360, but that is questionable. Now as I have stated, and proven before. Graphical prowess does undoubtedly give a console the ability to make better games. Which is why the average game on the 360/PS3 is better than one on the Wii. This is not the DS, and PSP battle here. This is the 3DS and NGP battle. One of them is a powered up DS with 3D, and the other has completely evolved. If there are multiplatform games from 3rd party developers that appear on the NGP, and 3DS. The 3DS version will almost all the time be watered down. Just as multiplatform games that appear on the PS3/360/Wii, the Wii almost always gets the watered down version. The differences in graphic prowess/ and control innovation is just too vast.

TBH the 3DS will outsell the NGP out of the gate. But overtime. The NGP will catch up, and beat out the 3DS in North America, Australia, and Europe. Although The 3DS will definitely outsell the NGP in Japan, and other Asian countries. Due to the specific tastes of easterners, and cultural/social/economical influences. I am not a fanboy. I'm just a gamer who sees things for what they are. And, I will buy both of these handhelds.

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#2 BIacckAce
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does sales matter that much?

3DS will have pokemon. 3DS wins.

Monster hunter is nothing.

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It could do, but my theory why: Mario, Pokemon, Nintendogs... PSP2 announced a little too late (winter 2011 is rumoured PSP2 release date, 3DS install base will probably be 10million+)
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does sales matter that much?

3DS will have pokemon. 3DS wins.

Monster hunter is nothing.

BIacckAce

Yeah but monster hunter is pretty big and much harder than Pokemon. Have you ever played it :D

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[QUOTE="BIacckAce"]

does sales matter that much?

3DS will have pokemon. 3DS wins.

Monster hunter is nothing.

Your only rebuttle to my theory is "3DS has Pokemon, 3DS wins". That is a very poor rebuttle don't you think? I've addressed any reasons as to why the 3DS could possibly outsell the NGP in non Asian countries. Why do you think that FPS's are much more popular than Pokemon/RPG games on consoles, but not on handhelds? Because FPS's(or third person shooters for that matter) couldn't work on handhelds.... Until the NGP came along.
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[QUOTE="BIacckAce"]

does sales matter that much?

3DS will have pokemon. 3DS wins.

Monster hunter is nothing.

Snakemaster9

Yeah but monster hunter is pretty big and much harder than Pokemon. Have you ever played it :D

Pokemon is hard too. :(

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it might do well but once nintendo releases the revised 3DS lite with 10 hours battery life...then sony will pretty much be done. It was the same way with the original ds and psp fat. Original DS sukd hard psp was way better. Then the DS Lite came out.....and we all know what happened after that.

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it might do well but once nintendo releases the revised 3DS lite with 10 hours battery life...then sony will pretty much be done. It was the same way with the original ds and psp fat. Original DS sukd hard psp was way better. Then the DS Lite came out.....and we all know what happened after that.

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I'm sorry, have you completely forgotten the fact that the Sony releases slimline versions of their consoles, and handhelds since the PS1?
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[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"][QUOTE="BIacckAce"]

does sales matter that much?

3DS will have pokemon. 3DS wins.

Monster hunter is nothing.

Your only rebuttle to my theory is "3DS has Pokemon, 3DS wins". That is a very poor rebuttle don't you think? I've addressed any reasons as to why the 3DS could possibly outsell the NGP in non Asian countries. Why do you think that FPS's are much more popular than Pokemon/RPG games on consoles, but not on handhelds? Because FPS's(or third person shooters for that matter) couldn't work on handhelds.... Until the NGP came along.

FPS's have been done well on the DS already.
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I'm still buying a 3DS. =p
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[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"][QUOTE="-Big_Red-"][QUOTE="BIacckAce"]

does sales matter that much?

3DS will have pokemon. 3DS wins.

Monster hunter is nothing.

Your only rebuttle to my theory is "3DS has Pokemon, 3DS wins". That is a very poor rebuttle don't you think? I've addressed any reasons as to why the 3DS could possibly outsell the NGP in non Asian countries. Why do you think that FPS's are much more popular than Pokemon/RPG games on consoles, but not on handhelds? Because FPS's(or third person shooters for that matter) couldn't work on handhelds.... Until the NGP came along.

FPS's have been done well on the DS already.

No they haven't.
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Tc, for every point you used on your "theory", it also contradicts you on ever point. :/

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I'm still buying a 3DS. =pAllicrombie
Alli:oops:, I didn't know that you post here. On-Topic: Me too.
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(2.) Nintendo's software/hardware appeals to a larger crowd of people

-Big_Red-

I read your whole post, and this is what I wanted to quote.

You mentioned exactly why the 3DS will outsell the NGP.

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Tc, for every point you used on your "theory", it also contradicts you on ever point. :/

Zanoh

I sure do wish that you would elaborate.

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[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"]

(2.) Nintendo's software/hardware appeals to a larger crowd of people

Raymundo_Manuel

I read your whole post, and this is what I wanted to quote.

You mentioned exactly why the 3DS will outsell the NGP.

In that particular quote I was referring as to why it has outsold the other consoles to this point. Now that people have caught on to what Nintendo is doing, the PS#/360 are outselling the Wii in both hardware, and software. Not to mention that they are being played more often. The NGP will appeal to a larger crowd seeing as a large variety of games will be made for it, due to the fact of it's enhanced graphical capabilities, and it's superior control schemes.

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it might do well but once nintendo releases the revised 3DS lite with 10 hours battery life...then sony will pretty much be done. It was the same way with the original ds and psp fat. Original DS sukd hard psp was way better. Then the DS Lite came out.....and we all know what happened after that.

-Big_Red-

I'm sorry, have you completely forgotten the fact that the Sony releases slimline versions of their consoles, and handhelds since the PS1?

yah but sony doesn't improve much with the slim line versions. In fact as I had the original psp fat 1000 I can honestly say that every other slim version offered after it sukd even worse. Design wise, psp's that were 2K and above felt like toys, cheap and plasticy. You can argue that the original playstation 3 was superior to its slim line version. I have the slim ps3 and comparing it to the fat version, the fat 1 definitely looks better, and has more features to it like BC, more usb ports etc. With nintendo every new iteration of its hand helds get better. DS had no backlight, sucked design wise, poor battery life. DS Lite came out, 50% slimmer, sexy design, 3X the battery life. built in backlight. DSi came out added 2 cameras. DSi XL came out 2 cameras, wide screen version. You can see Nintendo's tick tock progress. Their first iteration is always relatively crap, the second iteration comes out and blows it away.

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[QUOTE="Raymundo_Manuel"]

[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"]

(2.) Nintendo's software/hardware appeals to a larger crowd of people

-Big_Red-

I read your whole post, and this is what I wanted to quote.

You mentioned exactly why the 3DS will outsell the NGP.

In that particular quote I was referring as to why it has outsold the other consoles to this point. Now that people have caught on to what Nintendo is doing, the PS#/360 are outselling the Wii in both hardware, and software. Not to mention that they are being played more often. The NGP will appeal to a larger crowd seeing as a large variety of games will be made for it, due to the fact of it's enhanced graphical capabilities, and it's superior control schemes.

I thought the Wii was slowing in sales because 1) almost everyone has one now, and 2) good games are far and few between.

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[QUOTE="Nubukon"]

[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"]

[QUOTE="Raymundo_Manuel"]

I read your whole post, and this is what I wanted to quote.

You mentioned exactly why the 3DS will outsell the NGP.

In that particular quote I was referring as to why it has outsold the other consoles to this point. Now that people have caught on to what Nintendo is doing, the PS#/360 are outselling the Wii in both hardware, and software. Not to mention that they are being played more often. The NGP will appeal to a larger crowd seeing as a large variety of games will be made for it, due to the fact of it's enhanced graphical capabilities, and it's superior control schemes.

I thought the Wii was slowing in sales because 1) almost everyone has one now, and 2) good games are far and few between.

1. Those who has one, don't use it. 2. Good games are few, and fat between because when a console is so graphically crippled in comparison to the other consoles developers wont try as hard to deveolop on said console.
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Yeah, so those are my points. I just don't think it's the gimmick itself that is turning people off the console. It's the lack of quality games, that and the novelty of the hook (motion controls) has long wore off.

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[QUOTE="blaznwiipspman1"]

[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"][QUOTE="blaznwiipspman1"]

it might do well but once nintendo releases the revised 3DS lite with 10 hours battery life...then sony will pretty much be done. It was the same way with the original ds and psp fat. Original DS sukd hard psp was way better. Then the DS Lite came out.....and we all know what happened after that.

I'm sorry, have you completely forgotten the fact that the Sony releases slimline versions of their consoles, and handhelds since the PS1?

yah but sony doesn't improve much with the slim line versions. In fact as I had the original psp fat 1000 I can honestly say that every other slim version offered after it sukd even worse. Design wise, psp's that were 2K and above felt like toys, cheap and plasticy. You can argue that the original playstation 3 was superior to its slim line version. I have the slim ps3 and comparing it to the fat version, the fat 1 definitely looks better, and has more features to it like BC, more usb ports etc. With nintendo every new iteration of its hand helds get better. DS had no backlight, sucked design wise, poor battery life. DS Lite came out, 50% slimmer, sexy design, 3X the battery life. built in backlight. DSi came out added 2 cameras. DSi XL came out 2 cameras, wide screen version. You can see Nintendo's tick tock progress. Their first iteration is always relatively crap, the second iteration comes out and blows it away.

Sony improves on the slimline version on what actually needs to be improved. Seeing as Nintendo usually makes their first version lacking many features, there leaves more room for improvent.
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Short answer: Unique games.

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No the 3ds will sell more.TheGuardian03
I like how you have not given any valid points as to why it will. While on the other hand I have.
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Short answer: Unique games.

Zanoh
Once again... You fail to elaborate.
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[QUOTE="BIacckAce"]

does sales matter that much?

3DS will have pokemon. 3DS wins.

Monster hunter is nothing.

Snakemaster9

Yeah but monster hunter is pretty big and much harder than Pokemon. Have you ever played it :D

you do know the 3DS is suppose to get monster hunter right?

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#27 Zanoh
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[QUOTE="Zanoh"]

Short answer: Unique games.

-Big_Red-

Once again... You fail to elaborate.

A short answer provides elaboration. Why should I waste my breath and go in depth? The chances are I will have just wasted my breath to get a simple disagree post the next.

But if you need a bit of elaboration:

The 3DS will offer more unique games that are tailored for the system because of the "gimmicks" it is given. The problem with the NGP is, it sound to be more and more like a console in a portable (which is the original reason why I stopped playing my PSP as much). Sure it will have unique games, but why spend an exorbent ammount of money for it, when I have an iTouch and a 3DS at my disposal to take care of both needs?

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[QUOTE="Zanoh"]

[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"][QUOTE="Zanoh"]

Short answer: Unique games.

Once again... You fail to elaborate.

A short answer provides elaboration. Why should I waste my breath and go in depth? The chances are I will have just wasted my breath to get a simple disagree post the next.

But if you need a bit of elaboration:

The 3DS will offer more unique games that are tailored for the system because of the "gimmicks" it is given. The problem with the NGP is, it sound to be more and more like a console in a portable (which is the original reason why I stopped playing my PSP as much). Sure it will have unique games, but why spend an exorbent ammount of money for it, when I have an iTouch and a 3DS at my disposal to take care of both needs?

1. :|You're not wasting your breath seeing as you're not talking... You're typing. 2. No it will not. You can expect the 3DS to get very similar games to the Wii. While on the other hand the NGP will get a wide variety of games just as the PS3 has. Why? Because 3rd party developers aren't going to waste their time, and money on a system that is much weaker, and offers fewer control mechanics than it's competetor(spelling). Not to mention that it wont cost an "exorbent ammount of money, and you're kind of contradicting yourself.
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the key thing to think about is price point. Sony are keeping quiet about the price of the PSP2. now as far I understand the 3DS will cost £220 in the UK, which means it is by far the most expensive handheld launched by Nintendo and more expensive than what the Wii launched at. This I believe will hurt 3DS sales when compared to the DS which was half that price when it launched.

so where does this leave the PSP2? well Sony are keeping quiet but you can bet with all that hardware packed into it unless Sony want to take a big financial hit they will have to sell the PSP2 at a much higher price point than the 3DS. at £250 I think they could compete reasonably well with the 3DS but if you start talking about £300 then it will fail.

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When will the word 'gimmick' go out of style in SWs?

I suppose we should keep 'gimmicks' out of gaming and just advance on hardware power alone.

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#31 Zanoh
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1. :|You're not wasting your breath seeing as you're not talking... You're typing. 2. No it will not. You can expect the 3DS to get very similar games to the Wii. While on the other hand the NGP will get a wide variety of games just as the PS3 has. Why? Because 3rd party developers aren't going to waste their time, and money on a system that is much weaker, and offers fewer control mechanics than it's competetor(spelling). Not to mention that it wont cost an "exorbent ammount of money, and you're kind of contradicting yourself.-Big_Red-

1. See? You wasted my typing time and space. Happy? XD

2. Yes it will. The 3DS is not following the Wii line, it's following an already built in model: the DS line. A plethora of third party developers utilized the DS and made games of every genre including RPGS and the like. The NGP will get a variety of games, I am not denying that entirely, but it is the one that has to prove itself, not the 3DS. Already Nintendo and Apple are the dominant competitors in the market, and for all the features NGP has, it all truly boils down to unique games.

Already the NGP is at a disadvantage. My entire DS library can be played on the 3DS. That in itself is the biggest library in portability. My PSP library? Most of them are imports...FAT CHANCE they are going to be on the PSN. And most of the PSP games were console like games. The recently announced titles for the NGP are already known PS3 titles. If I had a choice, I would opt the PS3 over the NGP, and even the 3DS and my iTouch over the NGP. :/

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#32 flipdc5
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3DS vs PSP2 sales in the long run - the whole argument about seizures and parents freaking out is subjective. Yes, there will be parents that will get concerned about this and it will make the news but is that such a bad thing? I wouldn't call it bad publicity, more like free advertisement. Same thing happened with the wii and it gained allot of curiosity and besides, if you can't read the warning labels then its your damn fault.

PSP2 pricing - There is no way this thing is going to be 300 bucks. Sony said themselfs that their intent with this handheld is to not sell at a loss and with the tech packed in, you'd have to give up a pretty penny to get one. If it was 300 bucks, the price would've been announced already. It would easily steal Nintendo's thunder at their launch of the 3DS and it gives them time to prepare what what Nintendo will do (revision).

You say you're not a fanboy but your "theory" is just a bunch of hyperbole and wishfull thinking. You already have it set in your mind that Sony's handheld has won but fail to read up on your history books.

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#33 Bloodseeker23
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does sales matter that much?

3DS will have pokemon. 3DS wins.

Monster hunter is nothing.

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I love pokemon too! :D Nice theory...eh.
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#34 Gamingclone
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I know that this is system wars and everything, but really people, why are you theorizing the sales side of these two handhelds? I thought it was the games that mattered, sure if your system sells more you can throw the "my system is better" card around, but who really cares? Lets wait till at least E3 before you all start predicting if the 3DS will be able to beat the NGP before it even launches or if the NGP will be able to beat the 3DS.

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#35 Dibdibdobdobo
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Heres my answer. Fried_Shrimp put it in my head so its not a orignal idea. 3D boobies >>> Games. /Thread.
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I'll believe it when I see it, but the pure horsepower route diden't work well for the PSP. Not sure the second analog stick will change that
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#37 -Big_Red-
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[QUOTE="Wii4Fun"]

When will the word 'gimmick' go out of style in SWs?

I suppose we should keep 'gimmicks' out of gaming and just advance on hardware power alone.

When Nintendo stops using them as a selling point when their consoles offer few other things besides first party exclusives.
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[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"]1. :|You're not wasting your breath seeing as you're not talking... You're typing. 2. No it will not. You can expect the 3DS to get very similar games to the Wii. While on the other hand the NGP will get a wide variety of games just as the PS3 has. Why? Because 3rd party developers aren't going to waste their time, and money on a system that is much weaker, and offers fewer control mechanics than it's competetor(spelling). Not to mention that it wont cost an "exorbent ammount of money, and you're kind of contradicting yourself.Zanoh

1. See? You wasted my typing time and space. Happy? XD

2. Yes it will. The 3DS is not following the Wii line, it's following an already built in model: the DS line. A plethora of third party developers utilized the DS and made games of every genre including RPGS and the like. The NGP will get a variety of games, I am not denying that entirely, but it is the one that has to prove itself, not the 3DS. Already Nintendo and Apple are the dominant competitors in the market, and for all the features NGP has, it all truly boils down to unique games.

Already the NGP is at a disadvantage. My entire DS library can be played on the 3DS. That in itself is the biggest library in portability. My PSP library? Most of them are imports...FAT CHANCE they are going to be on the PSN. And most of the PSP games were console like games. The recently announced titles for the NGP are already known PS3 titles. If I had a choice, I would opt the PS3 over the NGP, and even the 3DS and my iTouch over the NGP. :/

The NGP is a far more appealing console for third party developers to develop on. It corrects any reason as to why the PSP wasn't.
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I personally don't see too much validitiy to your theory.

1. 3DS is more than just a gimmmick. Handheld gamers have never been as picky about graphics as console gamers-- a direct comparison to Wii vs. PS3/360 can not be made between 3DS and NGP. 3DS is also much more than a casual gaming system. The line-up so far is much more mature than Nintendo has ever had on a handheld. I'm not sure why 3D is suddenly a gimmick that only appeals to casual gamers and not hardcore ones. I'm sure the 3D is going to be a huge draw.

2. FPS controls worked just fine on the DS. If you have actually played CoD of Goldeneye on DS then you will know what I am talking about. The left analog nub and the touchscreen combo will work just fine for FPS. Remember that it was DS and not PSP that got all the CoD games-- so your FPS argument doesn't hold. The 3DS will see many good FPS games. It already has a bunch of decent TPS games lined up, the FPS games will be soon to follow. Nintendo isn't stupid. They know that FPS games are immensely popular and they wouldn't have released the 3DS without a good way to control a FPS.

3. There weren't many cross-ports between the DS and PSP so your whole watered down NGP port argument doesn't hold. The 3DS is launching almost a whole year ahead of NGP and should have a robust set of 3rd party offerings before NGP hits the market. If anything, I think it will be the reverse of what you predicted. Making HD games on the NGP is going to be VERY expensive-- so expensive that few developers will want to go all out with the graphics. Most NGP games just won't sell well enough to justify the royal treatment. For this reason, I can see a lot of lazy ports from the big multi-platform companies like Activision, EA, Sega, and Ubisoft. NGP will see some nice titles from Capcom and Sony, but I can't see too many developers wanting to throw their whole development budget into a handheld game when they would likely see a better return on console. Lots of developers have been folding, they can't be too careful with the expensive budgets it takes to make a graphics-intensive game.

4. The only argument your provided that could damn the 3DS is the whole eye-health warning. If there is an adverse event that gets reported it could have negative consequences for Nintendo. I really hope this isn't the case. However, I don't forsee this happening. 3D movies are pretty mainstream now and there hasn't been any major negative events that have kept people away yet.

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#40 -Big_Red-
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[QUOTE="flipdc5"]

3DS vs PSP2 sales in the long run - the whole argument about seizures and parents freaking out is subjective. Yes, there will be parents that will get concerned about this and it will make the news but is that such a bad thing? I wouldn't call it bad publicity, more like free advertisement. Same thing happened with the wii and it gained allot of curiosity and besides, if you can't read the warning labels then its your damn fault.

PSP2 pricing - There is no way this thing is going to be 300 bucks. Sony said themselfs that their intent with this handheld is to not sell at a loss and with the tech packed in, you'd have to give up a pretty penny to get one. If it was 300 bucks, the price would've been announced already. It would easily steal Nintendo's thunder at their launch of the 3DS and it gives them time to prepare what what Nintendo will do (revision).

You say you're not a fanboy but your "theory" is just a bunch of hyperbole and wishfull thinking. You already have it set in your mind that Sony's handheld has won but fail to read up on your history books.

:lol:No. My topic is completely based on history. And I am not a fanboy. And do you actually believe that this liberal nancy pancy society wont be moved by seizures due to the 3DS? Not to mention the bloodhound that is the media. There is no plausible way that you can equate that too "Positive plubicity". Like I said before Sony has learned from their mistakes, and the NGP will not cost more than $350.
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#41 GojiMaster
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I personally don't see too much validitiy to your theory.

1. 3DS is more than just a gimmmick. Handheld gamers have never been as picky about graphics as console gamers-- a direct comparison to Wii vs. PS3/360 can not be made between 3DS and NGP. 3DS is also much more than a casual gaming system. The line-up so far is much more mature than Nintendo has ever had on a handheld. I'm not sure why 3D is suddenly a gimmick that only appeals to casual gamers and not hardcore ones. I'm pretty sure the 3D is going to be a huge draw to hardcore and casual gamers alike. It just depends on the game that uses the effect, and 3DS seems to have a good balance so far.

2. FPS controls worked just fine on the DS. If you have actually played CoD of Goldeneye on DS then you will know what I am talking about. The left analog nub and the touchscreen combo will work just fine for FPS. Remember that it was DS and not PSP that got all the CoD games-- so your FPS argument doesn't hold. The 3DS will see many good FPS games. It already has a bunch of decent TPS games lined up, the FPS games will be soon to follow. Nintendo isn't stupid. They know that FPS games are immensely popular and they wouldn't have released the 3DS without a good way to control a FPS. Nintendo has always been the master of controls so I'm not too worried about this point.

3. There weren't many cross-ports between the DS and PSP so your whole watered down NGP port argument doesn't hold. The 3DS is launching almost a whole year ahead of NGP and should have a robust set of 3rd party offerings before NGP hits the market. If anything, I think it will be the reverse of what you predicted. Making HD games on the NGP is going to be VERY expensive-- so expensive that few developers will want to go all out with the graphics. Most NGP games just won't sell well enough to justify the royal treatment. For this reason, I can see a lot of lazy ports from the big multi-platform companies like Activision, EA, Sega, and Ubisoft. NGP will see some nice titles from Capcom and Sony, but I can't see too many developers wanting to throw their whole development budget into a handheld game when they would likely see a better return on console. Lots of developers have been folding, they can't be too careful with the expensive budgets it takes to make a graphics-intensive game.

4. The only argument your provided that could damn the 3DS is the whole eye-health warning. If there is an adverse event that gets reported it could have negative consequences for Nintendo. I really hope this isn't the case. However, I don't forsee this happening. 3D movies are pretty mainstream now and there hasn't been any major negative events that have kept people away yet. Nintendo has been very proactive to try to forestall any negative press.

5. 3DS has a number of positive qualities in its favor:

It is the 1st glasses-free 3D gaming, it is completely backwards compatible with the best-selling games system ever, it has a large stable of Nintendo IPs, it has a huge amount of 3rd party developers on-board, it launches a year ahead of NGP, and it still has very sophisticated graphics that will look very, very good on 3.5 inch screen.

6. I'm very impressed by the NGP so far and I think it has the potential to far surpass the PSP. However, it is going to have a difficult time differentiating itself from smart-phones. Sony has a battle with smart phones as well as 3DS. I think that we may see a much larger number of dual-handheld owners than we saw in the last generation. This is a good thing for the gaming industry, IMO. One point that you made needs to be corrected though: there is no indication so far that Sony intends to sell NGP for a loss. The original Eurogamer report on that was flawed and later corrected by a Sony executive.

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#42 Dibdibdobdobo
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[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"][QUOTE="Wii4Fun"]

When will the word 'gimmick' go out of style in SWs?

I suppose we should keep 'gimmicks' out of gaming and just advance on hardware power alone.

When Nintendo stops using them as a selling point when their consoles offer few other things besides first party exclusives.

Just like how Sony attempted to use Six-axis?! Just like how MS and Sony are using Move and kinect now as selling points?! Oh wait... I just made all this up in my head as none of these things exist. I'm sure the DS had loads of 3rd party quality games, I can name loads which i played and i own more 3rd party games on the Wii than 1st party games.
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I'll believe it when I see it, but the pure horsepower route diden't work well for the PSP. Not sure the second analog stick will change thatdarkspineslayer
You can be serious? The difference in graphical power between the 3DS, and the NGP is far greater than the difference between the DS, and PSP. Not to mention that it's added controls make it more suitable for any type of game.
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#44 -Big_Red-
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[QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"][QUOTE="-Big_Red-"][QUOTE="Wii4Fun"]

When will the word 'gimmick' go out of style in SWs?

I suppose we should keep 'gimmicks' out of gaming and just advance on hardware power alone.

When Nintendo stops using them as a selling point when their consoles offer few other things besides first party exclusives.

Just like how Sony attempted to use Six-axis?! Just like how MS and Sony are using Move and kinect now as selling points?! Oh wait... I just made all this up in my head as none of these things exist. I'm sure the DS had loads of 3rd party quality games, I can name loads which i played and i own more 3rd party games on the Wii than 1st party games.

1. I feel bad for you if you own most of your 3rd party games on the Wii. 2. Yeah the PS3 has six axis, but that wasn't it's selling point. 3. The Playstation Move, and Xbox Kinect are much better than the Wii-Mote innacurate controls ever were.
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#45 flipdc5
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[QUOTE="flipdc5"]

3DS vs PSP2 sales in the long run - the whole argument about seizures and parents freaking out is subjective. Yes, there will be parents that will get concerned about this and it will make the news but is that such a bad thing? I wouldn't call it bad publicity, more like free advertisement. Same thing happened with the wii and it gained allot of curiosity and besides, if you can't read the warning labels then its your damn fault.

PSP2 pricing - There is no way this thing is going to be 300 bucks. Sony said themselfs that their intent with this handheld is to not sell at a loss and with the tech packed in, you'd have to give up a pretty penny to get one. If it was 300 bucks, the price would've been announced already. It would easily steal Nintendo's thunder at their launch of the 3DS and it gives them time to prepare what what Nintendo will do (revision).

You say you're not a fanboy but your "theory" is just a bunch of hyperbole and wishfull thinking. You already have it set in your mind that Sony's handheld has won but fail to read up on your history books.

-Big_Red-

:lol:No. My topic is completely based on history. And I am not a fanboy. And do you actually believe that this liberal nancy pancy society wont be moved by seizures due to the 3DS? Not to mention the bloodhound that is the media. There is no plausible way that you can equate that too "Positive plubicity". Like I said before Sony has learned from their mistakes, and the NGP will not cost more than $350.

Ironic, but please elaborate. :)

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[QUOTE="flipdc5"]

[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"][QUOTE="flipdc5"]

3DS vs PSP2 sales in the long run - the whole argument about seizures and parents freaking out is subjective. Yes, there will be parents that will get concerned about this and it will make the news but is that such a bad thing? I wouldn't call it bad publicity, more like free advertisement. Same thing happened with the wii and it gained allot of curiosity and besides, if you can't read the warning labels then its your damn fault.

PSP2 pricing - There is no way this thing is going to be 300 bucks. Sony said themselfs that their intent with this handheld is to not sell at a loss and with the tech packed in, you'd have to give up a pretty penny to get one. If it was 300 bucks, the price would've been announced already. It would easily steal Nintendo's thunder at their launch of the 3DS and it gives them time to prepare what what Nintendo will do (revision).

You say you're not a fanboy but your "theory" is just a bunch of hyperbole and wishfull thinking. You already have it set in your mind that Sony's handheld has won but fail to read up on your history books.

:lol:No. My topic is completely based on history. And I am not a fanboy. And do you actually believe that this liberal nancy pancy society wont be moved by seizures due to the 3DS? Not to mention the bloodhound that is the media. There is no plausible way that you can equate that too "Positive plubicity". Like I said before Sony has learned from their mistakes, and the NGP will not cost more than $350.

Ironic, but please elaborate. :)

(1.) I suppose that people getting seizures because of a company's product is "good plubicity"? Riiiiiiggggghhhhhttttt::roll:.... (2.) Like I said in my OP Sony has learned from their mistakes with the PS3.
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@GojiMaster please fix your post so I can rebuttle.
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The way I see it... The two most played and highest selling genres on the handheld are easily Platformers and RPGs because of their pick up and play nature. The two most popular and highest selling franchises in those genres are Mario and Pokemon. Unless Sony offers huge selling franchises like that on their NGP, I see little hope of it outselling the 3DS

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The way I see it... The two most played and highest selling genres on the handheld are easily Platformers and RPGs because of their pick up and play nature. The two most popular and highest selling franchises in those genres are Mario and Pokemon. Unless Sony offers huge selling franchises like that on their NGP, I see little hope of it outselling the 3DS

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Didn't I just tell you that the shooter will soon overtake the handheld market too due to the NGP's duel thumbsticks?
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Didn't I just tell you that the shooter will soon overtake the handheld market too due to the NGP's duel thumbsticks?-Big_Red-
demographics exist for a reason, not all the people that plays pokemon will jump to the FPS bandwagon