My theory of why the NGP will outsell the 3DS in North America/UK/AU.

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#101 -Big_Red-
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[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"][QUOTE="Silent_Bob32"] 1. What? Touch pads on the back of the system that will probably be used to replace the R2 and L2 buttons on a dualshock? 3G support that is entirely useless and will only add to the cost of the system? There's no doubt that the touch screen and read touch panels could be used to make some interesting games, but of the games shown off the only one that utilizes that stuff in a remotely interesting way is Little Deviants. 2. I'm sure 3rd party developers are impressed by the power that the PSP2 is capable of, but that doesn't mean that they'll throw massive support at it. They didn't when the PS3 first hit. If the system ends up being expensive (and there's zero chance that it'll launch for less than $400) then I'm sure you won't see massive amounts of support out of the gate for fear that the system won't sell well initially. Also, the PSP didn't get good 3rd party support because of bad software sales due to rampant piracy, not because of controls. 3. I read your argument and it's wrong. The DS and Wii sold so well because they offered unique experiences that couldn't be found on other platforms, and at much more affordable prices than the competition. That, and Nintendo is a significantly more well known brand to people who aren't hardcore gamers. 2. No Silent_Bob32
1. I think you need to chillax, the NGP isn't even close to it's release date so I'm sure that there are more ways that the rear touchpads could be used. 3G support isn't required:roll:. 2. Lol sorry i meant to type that "Sony has fixed this issue with NGP". Also, they reason that they didn't do that with the PS3 at launch was because it costed $600. I'm sure that the NGP wil cost like $350 tops. Sony has learned their lesson. 3. So are you saying that a system as powerful as the dreamcast can make better games than a system as powerful as the original XBOX?

1. Totally chill dude. We'll see if developers do anything interesting with the PSP2's touch functionality, my point was that so far it doesn't look like they are. 2. You're assuming it'll cost $350, which by the way is still massively expensive for people who aren't hardcore gamers, and is expensive on it's own compared to consoles and other handhelds in the market. 3. That depends on how you define good games-- if graphics are all that matter to you (and it sure sounds like it) then the PC has the best games EVAH. But yeah, I'd say technology is only partially important for certain kinds of games, and those games (open world, cinematic and sandbox style games) don't translate well to portables anyway (see: every PS2 port on the PSP)

1. It's FAR too early to tell. The rear touch pad could easily be used as L2/R2 buttons like you said. 2. $350 tops. We'll just have to see. 3. That isn't true. My all time favorite fighting game is Street Fighter Alpha 3 back on the PSone. And it's not hard at all to please me graphically. But why do you think that games on the PS3/360 generally get a higher rating than ones on the Wii?
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#102 SpinoRaptor24
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If Sony markets the PSP2 with COD and being able to play 3G (so anywhere pretty much) it'll sell like hot cakes.

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Why would it sell like hotcakes when both the PSP and DS already have COD games on them?

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#103 Silent_Bob32
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[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"][QUOTE="Silent_Bob32"]

[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"]

1. There you go. Not to mention that Microsoft/Sony use the move/kinect as a support device, and not a main selling point like the wii does. Which explains why there are fewer games for it.

2. It's common sense, Nintendo saw the eye toy, and decided to work beyond that, by creating the wii mote. It's common business techniques. See what the competition is doing, and then build beyond that.

1. If you honestly believe a branded swimming game from the developers of The Biggest Loser and Bratz Girlz Rally Rock is going to be a killer app, then, well I don't know what to believe. Also, the game is coming out for the Move too, so everyone gets to enjoy it!

2. Again the two products are not at all similar. But to use some fact, the Wii was conceived in 2001and the eyetoy was first shown in 2002.

So there goes that.

1. LULZ it still looks better than any Wii more centered serious game could ever be. 2. So... Don't you think that they were questioning if they wanted to give it motion controls. Once they say the success with the eyetoy, that was their que. Didn't they first intend for it to have HD graphics anyway?

1. Okay, you're a troll. Got it. 2. The eyetoy was not a success, period. The Wii was conceived as having a touch screen controller much like the DS, then that was changed to the motion controller. All of this occurred before the eyetoy was ever revealed. And no, the Wii was never meant to be an HD system. You're wrong, get over it.
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#104 Ringx55
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[QUOTE="Ringx55"]

If Sony markets the PSP2 with COD and being able to play 3G (so anywhere pretty much) it'll sell like hot cakes.

SpinoRaptor24

Why would it sell like hotcakes when both the PSP and DS already have COD games on them?

Because this is the first portable to offer a FULL COD game... Two analog sticks making it possible with the stellar screen and actual full graphics you'd expect as a console gamer for COD. Then say you have 3G being able to play it anywhere sounds like a COD players dream.
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But why do you think that games on the PS3/360 generally get a higher rating than ones on the Wii?-Big_Red-
Because more 3rd party games are developed for the PS3/360 due to higher game sales? It has nothing to do with the technology, if it did then the PSP would have more higher scoring games than the DS. It does not.
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#106 telefanatic
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Good points, i read the whole post. Im still waiting for the NGP over 3DS. I love my PSP way more then my dusty DS which i havent played in a year.

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#107 Silent_Bob32
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[QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]

[QUOTE="Ringx55"]

If Sony markets the PSP2 with COD and being able to play 3G (so anywhere pretty much) it'll sell like hot cakes.

Ringx55

Why would it sell like hotcakes when both the PSP and DS already have COD games on them?

Because this is the first portable to offer a FULL COD game... Two analog sticks making it possible with the stellar screen and actual full graphics you'd expect as a console gamer for COD. Then say you have 3G being able to play it anywhere sounds like a COD players dream.

The graphics won't be comparable to the console version. People will not spend nearly as much time playing a COD game on a handheld as they would on a television for a bunch of reasons (comfort, battery life, screen size, etc). 3G costs money, it isn't available everywhere, and it would be way too laggy to play COD on. It's hardly a dream.
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#108 SpinoRaptor24
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[QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]

[QUOTE="Ringx55"]

If Sony markets the PSP2 with COD and being able to play 3G (so anywhere pretty much) it'll sell like hot cakes.

Ringx55

Why would it sell like hotcakes when both the PSP and DS already have COD games on them?

Because this is the first portable to offer a FULL COD game... Two analog sticks making it possible with the stellar screen and actual full graphics you'd expect as a console gamer for COD. Then say you have 3G being able to play it anywhere sounds like a COD players dream.

I've already played a few COD games on my 360, so personally I don't need to play a rather inferior console port on a handheld.

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#109 789shadow
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The NGP certainly won't win due to WALLS OF TEXT. :P

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#110 p3anut
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My theory on why 3DS will outsell NGP.

Pokemon

Mario

Zelda

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[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"][QUOTE="Silent_Bob32"] 1. If you honestly believe a branded swimming game from the developers of The Biggest Loser and Bratz Girlz Rally Rock is going to be a killer app, then, well I don't know what to believe. Also, the game is coming out for the Move too, so everyone gets to enjoy it!

2. Again the two products are not at all similar. But to use some fact, the Wii was conceived in 2001and the eyetoy was first shown in 2002.

So there goes that.

Silent_Bob32

1. LULZ it still looks better than any Wii more centered serious game could ever be. 2. So... Don't you think that they were questioning if they wanted to give it motion controls. Once they say the success with the eyetoy, that was their que. Didn't they first intend for it to have HD graphics anyway?

1. Okay, you're a troll. Got it. 2. The eyetoy was not a success, period. The Wii was conceived as having a touch screen controller much like the DS, then that was changed to the motion controller. All of this occurred before the eyetoy was ever revealed. And no, the Wii was never meant to be an HD system. You're wrong, get over it.

You figue I'm a troll because I wrote: "LULZ"? And I have nothing to get over seeing as I'm not wrong. I never said that the Wii was first meant to be an HD system. That was a question.

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#112 -Big_Red-
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The NGP certainly won't win due to WALLS OF TEXT. :P

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[QUOTE="p3anut"]

My theory on why 3DS will outsell NGP.

Pokemon

Mario

Zelda

HERE COME THE SHEEP:o!!!!
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#113 michael582
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How can you call the DS a gimmick when everything in portable gaming has a touch screen, including the PSP2?

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#114 789shadow
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[QUOTE="789shadow"]

The NGP certainly won't win due to WALLS OF TEXT. :P

-Big_Red-

My theory on why 3DS will outsell NGP.

Pokemon

Mario

Zelda

p3anut

HERE COME THE SHEEP:o!!!!

Why the hell does mentioning a wall of text make me a sheep?

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[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"]But why do you think that games on the PS3/360 generally get a higher rating than ones on the Wii?Silent_Bob32
Because more 3rd party games are developed for the PS3/360 due to higher game sales? It has nothing to do with the technology, if it did then the PSP would have more higher scoring games than the DS. It does not.

The reason that the DS has more high scoring gamesthan the PSP is because the PSP has worse controls, and it doesn't have a library as large as the DS. And I'm talking percentages here. Don't you think that Super Smash Bros. Brawl would of been better if it were on the PS3/360?
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[QUOTE="789shadow"]

[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"][QUOTE="789shadow"] [QUOTE="p3anut"]

My theory on why 3DS will outsell NGP.

Pokemon

Mario

Zelda

HERE COME THE SHEEP:o!!!!

Why the hell does mentioning a wall of text make me a sheep?

Relax... It 'twas a joke. :|You people here at system wars have no sense of humor:(.
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#117 789shadow
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[QUOTE="789shadow"]

[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"] HERE COME THE SHEEP:o!!!!-Big_Red-

Why the hell does mentioning a wall of text make me a sheep?

Relax... It 'twas a joke. :|You people here at system wars have no sense of humor:(.

Soon, neither will you. :P

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[QUOTE="Silent_Bob32"][QUOTE="-Big_Red-"]But why do you think that games on the PS3/360 generally get a higher rating than ones on the Wii?-Big_Red-
Because more 3rd party games are developed for the PS3/360 due to higher game sales? It has nothing to do with the technology, if it did then the PSP would have more higher scoring games than the DS. It does not.

The reason that the DS has more high scoring gamesthan the PSP is because the PSP has worse controls, and it doesn't have a library as large as the DS. And I'm talking percentages here. Don't you think that Super Smash Bros. Brawl would of been better if it were on the PS3/360?

Yeah maybe.

Doesn't change the fact that you can only play it on the Wii.

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I'm really sorry you wasted all that time and effort writing that much when the 3DS is going to sell like crazy just because its a Nintendo :P

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How can you call the DS a gimmick when everything in portable gaming has a touch screen, including the PSP2?

michael582
:|Everything in portable gaming does not have a touch screen. Like the PSP. A due to the fact that Nintendo products have sold so well off of gimmicks, other companies soon follow suit.
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#121 Silent_Bob32
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You figue I'm a troll because I wrote: "LULZ"? And I have nothing to get over seeing as I'm not wrong. I never said that the Wii was first meant to be an HD system. That was a question.-Big_Red-

No, I figure you're a troll because you think that a garbage branded Kinect/Move game is going to be better than any Wii game. And I meant that you were wrong about the eyetoy influencing the Wii in any way.

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[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"][QUOTE="Silent_Bob32"] Because more 3rd party games are developed for the PS3/360 due to higher game sales? It has nothing to do with the technology, if it did then the PSP would have more higher scoring games than the DS. It does not.SpinoRaptor24

The reason that the DS has more high scoring gamesthan the PSP is because the PSP has worse controls, and it doesn't have a library as large as the DS. And I'm talking percentages here. Don't you think that Super Smash Bros. Brawl would of been better if it were on the PS3/360?

Yeah maybe.

Doesn't change the fact that you can only play it on the Wii.

No nota "yeah maybe". More like "yeah". But I'm not trying to change that fact, I'm just trying to prove my arguement.
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[QUOTE="michael582"]

How can you call the DS a gimmick when everything in portable gaming has a touch screen, including the PSP2?

-Big_Red-

:|Everything in portable gaming does not have a touch screen. Like the PSP. A due to the fact that Nintendo products have sold so well off of gimmicks, other companies soon follow suit.

So it's not a gimmick then. Since other companies (like sony) see the potenial in touch screen games.

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[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"]You figue I'm a troll because I wrote: "LULZ"? And I have nothing to get over seeing as I'm not wrong. I never said that the Wii was first meant to be an HD system. That was a question.Silent_Bob32

No, I figure you're a troll because you think that a garbage branded Kinect/Move game is going to be better than any Wii game. And I meant that you were wrong about the eyetoy influencing the Wii in any way.

The eyetoy did influence the wii mote, and a kinect/move game has more than enough potential to surpass a wii mote centered game. That is a fact.
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#125 funsohng
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If touch screen is gimmicky, then I love gimmicks. In fact, tons of people love gimmicks.
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I'm really sorry you wasted all that time and effort writing that much when the 3DS is going to sell like crazy just because its a Nintendo :P

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:|Well see....:P
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Don't you think that Super Smash Bros. Brawl would of been better if it were on the PS3/360?-Big_Red-
No it wouldn't be. Why would HD graphics make the game any more fun than it already is?
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[QUOTE="789shadow"]

[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"][QUOTE="789shadow"]

Why the hell does mentioning a wall of text make me a sheep?

Relax... It 'twas a joke. :|You people here at system wars have no sense of humor:(.

Soon, neither will you. :P

Nah, I use Off-Topic aswell, so my sense of humor should remain intact.
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[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"]Don't you think that Super Smash Bros. Brawl would of been better if it were on the PS3/360?Silent_Bob32
No it wouldn't be. Why would HD graphics make the game any more fun than it already is?

:lol: Now you're just indenial. Which console has the potential to make better games... A Sega Dreamcast, Or a Gamcube?
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[QUOTE="WreckEm711"]

I'm really sorry you wasted all that time and effort writing that much when the 3DS is going to sell like crazy just because its a Nintendo :P

-Big_Red-

:|Well see....:P

Not saying I hope youre wrong, as much as I love Nintendo I really could care less what they do in the handheld market :P

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[QUOTE="michael582"]

[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"][QUOTE="michael582"]

How can you call the DS a gimmick when everything in portable gaming has a touch screen, including the PSP2?

:|Everything in portable gaming does not have a touch screen. Like the PSP. A due to the fact that Nintendo products have sold so well off of gimmicks, other companies soon follow suit.

So it's not a gimmick then. Since other companies (like sony) see the potenial in touch screen games.

Yeah, the potential to "sell".
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[QUOTE="Silent_Bob32"]

[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"]You figue I'm a troll because I wrote: "LULZ"? And I have nothing to get over seeing as I'm not wrong. I never said that the Wii was first meant to be an HD system. That was a question.-Big_Red-

No, I figure you're a troll because you think that a garbage branded Kinect/Move game is going to be better than any Wii game. And I meant that you were wrong about the eyetoy influencing the Wii in any way.

The eyetoy did influence the wii mote, and a kinect/move game has more than enough potential to surpass a wii mote centered game. That is a fact.

I've already shown you evidence that the eyetoy couldn't have influenced the Wii, so why do you keep trying to argue that point? Whether or not the kinect/move have the potential to do something is irrelevant-- whether or not they have is the point, and neither have produced a AAA title. Those are facts.
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[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"][QUOTE="WreckEm711"]

I'm really sorry you wasted all that time and effort writing that much when the 3DS is going to sell like crazy just because its a Nintendo :P

WreckEm711

:|Well see....:P

Not saying I hope youre wrong, as much as I love Nintendo I really could care less what they do in the handheld market :P

I know, I'm still getting both systems either way.

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#134 Silent_Bob32
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[QUOTE="Silent_Bob32"][QUOTE="-Big_Red-"]Don't you think that Super Smash Bros. Brawl would of been better if it were on the PS3/360?-Big_Red-
No it wouldn't be. Why would HD graphics make the game any more fun than it already is?

:lol: Now you're just indenial. Which console has the potential to make better games... A Sega Dreamcast, Or a Gamcube?

You didn't answer my question. And if we're going by which actually produced better games, then it's the Gamecube, but it did so because of it's first party support, not because it was a graphics powerhouse. Which produced better games, the Gamecube or the PS2? Because the obvious answer is the PS2, which incidentally was a less powerful system. Funny how that works out.
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[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"][QUOTE="Silent_Bob32"]

No, I figure you're a troll because you think that a garbage branded Kinect/Move game is going to be better than any Wii game. And I meant that you were wrong about the eyetoy influencing the Wii in any way.

Silent_Bob32

The eyetoy did influence the wii mote, and a kinect/move game has more than enough potential to surpass a wii mote centered game. That is a fact.

I've already shown you evidence that the eyetoy couldn't have influenced the Wii, so why do you keep trying to argue that point? Whether or not the kinect/move have the potential to do something is irrelevant-- whether or not they have is the point, and neither have produced a AAA title. Those are facts.

Excuse me, but has their been a AAA title that is completely wii mote orientated? And I've already given you reason as to why the Kinect/Move haven't produced one yet. Those companies main focus is on gamepad gaming.

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[QUOTE="michael582"]

[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"] :|Everything in portable gaming does not have a touch screen. Like the PSP. A due to the fact that Nintendo products have sold so well off of gimmicks, other companies soon follow suit.-Big_Red-

So it's not a gimmick then. Since other companies (like sony) see the potenial in touch screen games.

Yeah, the potential to "sell".

Right now I'm postive you have no idea what you're talking about. :P

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[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"][QUOTE="Silent_Bob32"] No it wouldn't be. Why would HD graphics make the game any more fun than it already is?Silent_Bob32
:lol: Now you're just indenial. Which console has the potential to make better games... A Sega Dreamcast, Or a Gamcube?

You didn't answer my question. And if we're going by which actually produced better games, then it's the Gamecube, but it did so because of it's first party support, not because it was a graphics powerhouse. Which produced better games, the Gamecube or the PS2? Because the obvious answer is the PS2, which incidentally was a less powerful system. Funny how that works out.

You're not answering my question at all. I asked you which system has/had the potential to make better games.
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#138 SpinoRaptor24
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No nota "yeah maybe". More like "yeah". But I'm not trying to change that fact, I'm just trying to prove my arguement.-Big_Red-

Well good. Enjoy proving your arguments. Your theory is that the 3DS will start strong but will eventually be overtaken by the NGP once people see through the 3D gimmick. The same argument most Sony fanboys were using for the PS3 against the Wii and motion controls.

Though all this slang, spelling errors and caps are really undermining your posts.

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#139 -Big_Red-
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[QUOTE="michael582"]

[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"][QUOTE="michael582"]

So it's not a gimmick then. Since other companies (like sony) see the potenial in touch screen games.

Yeah, the potential to "sell".

Right now I'm postive you have no idea what you're talking about. :P

All of these posts are somewhat... Overwhelimg.
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#140 -Big_Red-
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[QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]

[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"]

No nota "yeah maybe". More like "yeah". But I'm not trying to change that fact, I'm just trying to prove my arguement.

Well good. Enjoy proving your arguments. Your theory is that the 3DS will start strong but will eventually be overtaken by the NGP once people see through the 3D gimmick. The same argument most Sony fanboys were using for the PS3 against the Wii and motion controls.

Though all this slang, spelling errors and caps are really undermining your posts.

You're not responding to multiple posts every few minutes I am, which is why my errors are prevalent. Anyway, that has already happened. Which is why the PS3 is outselling the Wii now. Not to mention that the PS3 costed $600 at it's inception.
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#141 michael582
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[QUOTE="michael582"]

[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"] Yeah, the potential to "sell".-Big_Red-

Right now I'm postive you have no idea what you're talking about. :P

All of these posts are somewhat... Overwhelimg.

Usually what happens when people see a troll.:P

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[QUOTE="michael582"]

[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"][QUOTE="michael582"]

Right now I'm postive you have no idea what you're talking about. :P

All of these posts are somewhat... Overwhelimg.

Usually what happens when people see a troll.:P

Too bad I'm not a troll.. >_>
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[QUOTE="Silent_Bob32"][QUOTE="-Big_Red-"] The eyetoy did influence the wii mote, and a kinect/move game has more than enough potential to surpass a wii mote centered game. That is a fact.-Big_Red-

I've already shown you evidence that the eyetoy couldn't have influenced the Wii, so why do you keep trying to argue that point? Whether or not the kinect/move have the potential to do something is irrelevant-- whether or not they have is the point, and neither have produced a AAA title. Those are facts.

Excuse me, but has their been a AAA title that is completely wii mote orientated? And I've already given you reason as to why the Kinect/Move haven't produced one yet. Those companies main focus is on gamepad gaming.

Super Mario Galaxy 1 and 2, No More Heroes and WarioWare come to mind. So if their main focus is on making gamepad games, where is the massive potential for a AAA kinect/move game? I mean if they don't even believe in the hardware enough to totally support it, then what potential does it really have?
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#144 michael582
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[QUOTE="michael582"]

[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"] All of these posts are somewhat... Overwhelimg.-Big_Red-

Usually what happens when people see a troll.:P

Too bad I'm not a troll.. >_>

Yea you kinda are. You defend the psp2 and call the ds a gimmick cause of the touch screen, yet the psp2 has a touch screen.

To me, by your logic, the psp2 should be a gimmick as well.

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[QUOTE="Silent_Bob32"][QUOTE="-Big_Red-"]

I've already shown you evidence that the eyetoy couldn't have influenced the Wii, so why do you keep trying to argue that point? Whether or not the kinect/move have the potential to do something is irrelevant-- whether or not they have is the point, and neither have produced a AAA title. Those are facts.Silent_Bob32
Excuse me, but has their been a AAA title that is completely wii mote orientated? And I've already given you reason as to why the Kinect/Move haven't produced one yet. Those companies main focus is on gamepad gaming.

Super Mario Galaxy 1 and 2, No More Heroes and WarioWare come to mind. So if their main focus is on making gamepad games, where is the massive potential for a AAA kinect/move game? I mean if they don't even believe in the hardware enough to totally support it, then what potential does it really have?

So you honestly think that a wiimote orientated game has more potential than a Kinect/Move orientated game? And the Move/Kinect seem to be more of a support method for the system rather than an absolute control alternative.
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[QUOTE="michael582"]

[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"][QUOTE="michael582"]

Usually what happens when people see a troll.:P

Too bad I'm not a troll.. >_>

Yea you kinda are. You defend the psp2 and call the ds a gimmick cause of the touch screen, yet the psp2 has a touch screen.

To me, by your logic, the psp2 should be a gimmick as well.

:|No, The reason the PSP2 has a touch screen is to: A) More control schemes for for developers to use. B) To keep up with/surpass the DS/3DS in terms of controls. But when the DS was created it used the touch screen as a clutch to sell. Did you even read my OP?
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This argument is presented like a loop, but seems pretty straight forward. It conveys that the stronger hardware of the NGP gives it higher potential, and that the system with the highest potential will sell more in the end. Unfortunately this is not a deciding factor at all, especially if you have followed trends of older consoles. We wont be able to draw conclusions about whether the NGP will outsell the 3ds till around 2 years after both are out. Since this topic is based around "if"s then we could assume that 3DS would win if the 3D screen proves to be a real "game changer" as Nintendo executives say.

The argument about the eye-toy is not a great example, it was an add-on that broke around 12 million sales overall, but compared to the install base of the PS2 that is not much of an indicator that it would be usable as a model for the Wii-mote. The technology used in both aren't the same either, as one relied on infrared-light and gyroscopes as the Eye-toy is actually closer to the design of Move/Kinect.

Just my 2 cents.

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#148 michael582
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[QUOTE="michael582"]

[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"] Too bad I'm not a troll.. >_>-Big_Red-

Yea you kinda are. You defend the psp2 and call the ds a gimmick cause of the touch screen, yet the psp2 has a touch screen.

To me, by your logic, the psp2 should be a gimmick as well.

:|No, The reason the PSP2 has a touch screen is to: A)More control schemes for for developers to use. B) To keep up with/surpass the DS/3DS in terms of controls. But when the DS was created it used the touch screen as a clutch to sell. Did you even read my OP?

Right there, you said it yourself.

When the orginal ds came out, it was for the same reason.

DS= developer's system

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#149 -Big_Red-
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[QUOTE="SilverTemo"]

This argument is presented like a loop, but seems pretty straight forward. It conveys that the stronger hardware of the NGP gives it higher potential, and that the system with the highest potential will sell more in the end. Unfortunately this is not a deciding factor at all, especially if you have followed trends of older consoles. We wont be able to draw conclusions about whether the NGP will outsell the 3ds till around 2 years after both are out. Since this topic is based around "if"s then we could assume that 3DS would win if the 3D screen proves to be a real "game changer" as Nintendo executives say.

The argument about the eye-toy is not a great example, it was an add-on that broke around 12 million sales overall, but compared to the install base of the PS2 that is not much of an indicator that it would be usable as a model for the Wii-mote. The technology used in both aren't the same either, as one relied on infrared-light and gyroscopes as the Eye-toy is actually closer to the design of Move/Kinect.

Just my 2 cents.

I see what you're saying but my main point about the Eye Toy arguement is the fact that i was an alternative control method from the traditional gamepad.
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#150 -Big_Red-
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[QUOTE="michael582"]

[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"][QUOTE="michael582"]

Yea you kinda are. You defend the psp2 and call the ds a gimmick cause of the touch screen, yet the psp2 has a touch screen.

To me, by your logic, the psp2 should be a gimmick as well.

:|No, The reason the PSP2 has a touch screen is to: A)More control schemes for for developers to use. B) To keep up with/surpass the DS/3DS in terms of controls. But when the DS was created it used the touch screen as a clutch to sell. Did you even read my OP?

Right there, you said it yourself.

When the orginal ds came out, it was for the same reason.

DS= developer's system

And you don't think that Nintendo used that as a crutch to sell it's system?