Natal has zero funtionality in actual gaming, lets stop pretending it will

When it's E3 demo that was meant to show off the possibilities of gameplay isn't even impressive, you know it's in for a rocky road ahead.

Imagine how airy and disconnected gaming would feel without an imput device?

Games will be reduced to limb flailing and jogging on the spot.

What genres can actually work on this thing?

Any genre can work with certain features of Natal; it doesn't always have to be about arm flailing.... This is why you aren't a video game designer and why we actually have video game designers.

When it's E3 demo that was meant to show off the possibilities of gameplay isn't even impressive, you know it's in for a rocky road ahead.

Imagine how airy and disconnected gaming would feel without an imput device?

Games will be reduced to limb flailing and jogging on the spot.

What genres can actually work on this thing?

rotaredom

This might be an indication. Can't link because of Glitchspot, use paste.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWkpdtFZoBE&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pushingplay.com%2F2009%2F06%2F22%2Fhalflife-2-head-tracking-faceapi-awesome%2F&feature=player_embedded

Burnout seemd to work fine with it ...

I said this before and people flamed me. Whatever... I honestly think only the kiddies drool over this.

When it's E3 demo that was meant to show off the possibilities of gameplay isn't even impressive, you know it's in for a rocky road ahead.

Imagine how airy and disconnected gaming would feel without an imput device?

Games will be reduced to limb flailing and jogging on the spot.

What genres can actually work on this thing?

rotaredom

Burnout seemd to work fine with it ...

-Snooze-

http://www.gametrailers.com/user-movie/jimmy-fallon-project-natal/320589

They play Burnout Paradise.

Natal is the future.....

[QUOTE="rotaredom"]

When it's E3 demo that was meant to show off the possibilities of gameplay isn't even impressive, you know it's in for a rocky road ahead.

Imagine how airy and disconnected gaming would feel without an imput device?

Games will be reduced to limb flailing and jogging on the spot.

What genres can actually work on this thing?

wolverine4262

When it's E3 demo that was meant to show off the possibilities of gameplay isn't even impressive, you know it's in for a rocky road ahead.

Imagine how airy and disconnected gaming would feel without an imput device?

Games will be reduced to limb flailing and jogging on the spot.

What genres can actually work on this thing?

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

Burnout seemd to work fine with it ...

rotaredom

http://www.gametrailers.com/user-movie/jimmy-fallon-project-natal/320589

They play Burnout Paradise.

Natal is the future.....

BloodyFalcon007

Not likely. Show me a clip of Natal working with other genres and maybe it has a chance. But even then, Sony can start advertising the PS Eye.

http://www.gametrailers.com/user-movie/jimmy-fallon-project-natal/320589

They play Burnout Paradise.

Natal is the future.....

BloodyFalcon007

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"][QUOTE="rotaredom"]

When it's E3 demo that was meant to show off the possibilities of gameplay isn't even impressive, you know it's in for a rocky road ahead.

Imagine how airy and disconnected gaming would feel without an imput device?

Games will be reduced to limb flailing and jogging on the spot.

What genres can actually work on this thing?

rotaredom

It has voice recognition you know... voice commands are very simple to implement in games... Hell Socom: US Navy SEALs back on PS2 in 2002 had voice commands for AI team mates over the headset... same with Endwar more recently...

RPG games like Mass Effect could use it as well, during the dialogue trees... instead of simply picking an option, you could say an option...

I agree on the movement aspect... One of my best friends is in a wheelchair and thus can't stand up and jump around in front of natal... And I simply don't want to do it... the "hands free gaming" is just very unimportant to me... I like controllers...

[QUOTE="rotaredom"]

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"]thank god you arent the one designing video games.... two words: Head tracking BTW, who said natal would not be able to work in conjunction w/ an input device?wolverine4262

So you're going to have 3D body movement with a 2D controller imput device at the same time?

You want to try doing that and see how broken it feels?

I don't care about Natal.

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"][QUOTE="rotaredom"]So how are you going to move your character around vast environmentswith head tracking?

rotaredom

So you're going to have 3D body movement with a 2D controller imput device at the same time?

You want to try doing that and see how broken it feels?

Wow... really man? You obviously have no idea how head tracking works. I suggest you watch the youtube video that someone link ealier with head trackings and playing a Half Life 2.

Edit: Here is the clip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWkpdtFZoBE

So you're going to have 3D body movement with a 2D controller imput device at the same time?

You want to try doing that and see how broken it feels?

rotaredom

http://www.gametrailers.com/user-movie/jimmy-fallon-project-natal/320589

They play Burnout Paradise.

Natal is the future.....

BloodyFalcon007

Why would I want to drive a car with a fake steering whell instead of a real one in my real car....

[QUOTE="rotaredom"]

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"]a controller, duh...natal wont be able to do EVERYTHING for every game...for the hardcore games, I imagine itll be more of an assist...spinecaton

So you're going to have 3D body movement with a 2D controller imput device at the same time?

You want to try doing that and see how broken it feels?

Wow... really man? You obviously have no idea how head tracking works. I suggest you watch the youtube video that someone link ealier with head trackings and playing a Half Life 2.

[QUOTE="BloodyFalcon007"]

http://www.gametrailers.com/user-movie/jimmy-fallon-project-natal/320589

They play Burnout Paradise.

Natal is the future.....

black_child

Why would I want to drive a car with a fake steering whell instead of a real one in my real car....

Then go drive your car, why would you want to play any racing game if you would rather drive your car?

[QUOTE="spinecaton"]

[QUOTE="rotaredom"]

So you're going to have 3D body movement with a 2D controller imput device at the same time?

You want to try doing that and see how broken it feels?

rotaredom

Wow... really man? You obviously have no idea how head tracking works. I suggest you watch the youtube video that someone link ealier with head trackings and playing a Half Life 2.

...The guy in the video is playing Half Life 2 with a keyboard and a mouse and his head is controlling what shows on the computer. You obviously haven't seen many things on head tracking because you would know you would still use a controller for movement.

[QUOTE="BloodyFalcon007"]

http://www.gametrailers.com/user-movie/jimmy-fallon-project-natal/320589

They play Burnout Paradise.

Natal is the future.....

black_child

Why would I want to drive a car with a fake steering whell instead of a real one in my real car....

Umm. We're talking about a driving video game here. A game that allows you to drive as fast as you want where no one gets hurt. Go try that in your real car, and let me know how that turns out for you.

hey a 360fit will be a pretty solid gameAndrovinus

I've seen many videos of head tracking. It does nothing to explain how you're going to move your character around vast landscapes, and there is no evidence to suggest this head tracking you are speaking of is even coming to Natal. It's theroetically possible with all of the motion control devices but your assuming its coming to Natal is just specualtion.

rotaredom

There is headtracking, since it recognizes facial gestures for Milo and Kate.

The movements in the demonstration I linked were exaggerated for demo purpose.

You can try replicating the demo for yourself.

hey a 360fit will be a pretty solid gameAndrovinus

This is just me being hopeful but 360fit should be treated like casual trash just like Wii Fit if SW wants any shred of consistency.

[QUOTE="spinecaton"]

[QUOTE="rotaredom"]I've seen many videos of head tracking. It does nothing to explain how you're going to move your character around vast landscapes, and there is no evidence to suggest this head tracking you are speaking of is even coming to Natal. It's theroetically possible with all of the motion control devices but your assuming its coming to Natal is just specualtion.

rotaredom

[QUOTE="BloodyFalcon007"]

http://www.gametrailers.com/user-movie/jimmy-fallon-project-natal/320589

They play Burnout Paradise.

Natal is the future.....

black_child

Why would I want to drive a car with a fake steering whell instead of a real one in my real car....

When it's E3 demo that was meant to show off the possibilities of gameplay isn't even impressive, you know it's in for a rocky road ahead.

Imagine how airy and disconnected gaming would feel without an imput device?

Games will be reduced to limb flailing and jogging on the spot.

What genres can actually work on this thing?

rotaredom

[QUOTE="rotaredom"]

[QUOTE="spinecaton"]

Wow... really man? You obviously have no idea how head tracking works. I suggest you watch the youtube video that someone link ealier with head trackings and playing a Half Life 2.

spinecaton

...The guy in the video is playing Half Life 2 with a keyboard and a mouse and his head is controlling what shows on the computer. You obviously haven't seen many things on head tracking because you would know you would still use a controller for movement.

The pc has a head tracking device that works very well with Arma 2, which already has independant head movement. Its called the track IR and works on all the axis. Leaning, pitch, yaw all of that stuff

When it's E3 demo that was meant to show off the possibilities of gameplay isn't even impressive, you know it's in for a rocky road ahead.

Imagine how airy and disconnected gaming would feel without an imput device?

Games will be reduced to limb flailing and jogging on the spot.

What genres can actually work on this thing?

Natal could be epic... if it was built in to every 360. Unfortunately, it won't get the support to make it epic as not enough people will buy it. If M$ had waited, kept quiet and refined the tech & simply included it in the next console we'd really see some innovative stuff I'm sure butlikely 95% of what it will do is going to emulate the most hated Wii software, unless you're african american then it's simply a microphone. What I don't get is why anyone would want to use it for racing games - a nice force feedback wheel is better than waving your hands around any day, I played half a lap with the Wii wheel with MK Wii before plugging in a classic controller.

[QUOTE="rotaredom"]

When it's E3 demo that was meant to show off the possibilities of gameplay isn't even impressive, you know it's in for a rocky road ahead.

Imagine how airy and disconnected gaming would feel without an imput device?

Games will be reduced to limb flailing and jogging on the spot.

What genres can actually work on this thing?

XanderZane

That seems like wishful thinking.

MS didnt make Natal to appeal to the hardcore. They did it for the casuals.

Expect a few minigames.

[QUOTE="spinecaton"]

[QUOTE="rotaredom"]I've seen many videos of head tracking. It does nothing to explain how you're going to move your character around vast landscapes, and there is no evidence to suggest this head tracking you are speaking of is even coming to Natal. It's theroetically possible with all of the motion control devices but your assuming its coming to Natal is just specualtion.

rotaredom

...The guy in the video is playing Half Life 2 with a keyboard and a mouse and his head is controlling what shows on the computer. You obviously haven't seen many things on head tracking because you would know you would still use a controller for movement.

Then don't use it, the games will have the option to use it or not I bet because not everyone is going to fork over money for Natal and if companies made it a requirement to play games then the sales wouldn't be as great. Obvious some people are interested in the idea and some people aren't, it will work with mutliple genres but you don't have an ounce of creativity to see that.

I've seen the video and didnt find it impressive at all. Moving my head around to peer around corners while contolling with a regular input device does nothing to add to the experience whatsoever. It quite frankly looks like an annoying chore. That's assuming that Natal will incorporate head tracking, which there is no evidence of at all. I saw head tracking demos for Wii 2 years ago to. It didnt happen.

rotaredom

[QUOTE="rotaredom"]

[QUOTE="spinecaton"]

...The guy in the video is playing Half Life 2 with a keyboard and a mouse and his head is controlling what shows on the computer. You obviously haven't seen many things on head tracking because you would know you would still use a controller for movement.

spinecaton

Then don't use it, the games will have the option to use it or not I bet because not everyone is going to fork over money for Natal and if companies made it a requirement to play games then the sales wouldn't be as great. Obvious some people are interested in the idea and some people aren't, it will work with mutliple genres but you don't have an ounce of creativity to see that.

[QUOTE="Androvinus"]hey a 360fit will be a pretty solid gameSW_modified

This is just me being hopeful but 360fit should be treated like casual trash just like Wii Fit if SW wants any shred of consistency.

[QUOTE="rotaredom"]I've seen the video and didnt find it impressive at all. Moving my head around to peer around corners while contolling with a regular input device does nothing to add to the experience whatsoever. It quite frankly looks like an annoying chore. That's assuming that Natal will incorporate head tracking, which there is no evidence of at all. I saw head tracking demos for Wii 2 years ago to. It didnt happen.

wolverine4262

[QUOTE="XanderZane"][QUOTE="rotaredom"]

When it's E3 demo that was meant to show off the possibilities of gameplay isn't even impressive, you know it's in for a rocky road ahead.

Imagine how airy and disconnected gaming would feel without an imput device?

Games will be reduced to limb flailing and jogging on the spot.

What genres can actually work on this thing?

That seems like wishful thinking.

MS didnt make Natal to appeal to the hardcore. They did it for the casuals.

Expect a few minigames.

Games not built from the ground up around its functions are going to be even worse. If they just include Natal as an option in games it's going to be extremely tacked on an you know it.

rotaredom

You mean like how all those people were having fun with Burnout? Or like how Arma is using Track IR?

So if head pivot or whatever was implemented in a game how exactly would that work? to look at a 90 degree angle u wouldnt even be looking at your tv anymore. That whole head tracking business is really dumb imo. you guys are just grasping at straws natal will be a flailing arm imaginary friend gimmick that will fail hard imo

Games not built from the ground up around its functions are going to be even worse. If they just include Natal as an option in games it's going to be extremely tacked on an you know it.

rotaredom

[QUOTE="XanderZane"][QUOTE="rotaredom"] Who said devices can't be added later? Games will be made around using your own limbs to control the action on screen and I don't think it'll all be about games either. I think Microsoft will release apps that take advantage of the voice and facial recognition. It has a huge amount of potential. Most so then Sony's motion device which will be the same as the Wii basically. If you think Sony's motion-sensor device won't be limbs flailing, you're crazy. People will be waying that device all over the place just like the WiiMote. lol!! Lots of genre will work with Natal. We've already seen driving, but action/adventure. sports, fighting and other genre can work with Natal.rotaredom

That seems like wishful thinking.

MS didnt make Natal to appeal to the hardcore. They did it for the casuals.

Expect a few minigames.

I don't care about Natal.

shawn7324

[QUOTE="rotaredom"]

Games not built from the ground up around its functions are going to be even worse. If they just include Natal as an option in games it's going to be extremely tacked on an you know it.

Baranga

You mean like how all those people were having fun with Burnout? Or like how Arma is using Track IR?

[QUOTE="Baranga"]

[QUOTE="rotaredom"]

Games not built from the ground up around its functions are going to be even worse. If they just include Natal as an option in games it's going to be extremely tacked on an you know it.

rotaredom

You mean like how all those people were having fun with Burnout? Or like how Arma is using Track IR?

So if head pivot or whatever was implemented in a game how exactly would that work? to look at a 90 degree angle u wouldnt even be looking at your tv anymore. That whole head tracking business is really dumb imo. you guys are just grasping at straws natal will be a flailing arm imaginary friend gimmick that will fail hard imo

BlancoBX