New Counter Strike: Global Offensive

And :lol: at the people defending Half-Life 2. The gunplay was absolute s***. Hell, Half-Life, Halo: CE, Duke Nukem 3D, and Quake III have better gunplay. It didn't feel good to shoot anything in that f***ing game. It felt like you were shooting airsoft rifles. The level design was mediocre at best, the vehicle sections played like someone pulled them out of Satan's a******, the enemy A.I. was horrible, and game loved to through physics puzzles at you for no other reason than Valve had a new physics engine and they were all, "HAI GUIZ, LOOK HOW COOL THIS IS!!1!" The only things that weren't done poorly in that game were storytelling (but the story itself still blows), and atmosphere, and both of those things have been surpased by other games years ago.

It's all flash, no substance. It rode on Half-Life's coattails (which was a legitimately great game), hype, and pretty graphics, and now it gets a free pass because the mainstream gaming media liked it (Newsflash: They like Call of Duty, too. You aren't helping your case) and the fans can't get over their nostalgia. It doesn't hold up, and people need to stop treating it like some Holy Grail.

DarkLink77

Why the hell does everybody want a new engine? Did Protal 2 not look like a current gen title?

Matchmaking for competitive play. Think of Starcraft 2. Dedicated servers are great for pubbing but horrible for real competition. This whole game is about 5 v 5 competition.

Wasdie

Don't you mean P2P is fine for pubbing but horrible for REAL competition?

Why the hell does everybody want a new engine? Did Protal 2 not look like a current gen title?

Wasdie

Every Source game...feels the same. It looked good but I thought it would've looked even better on something like UE3.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

And :lol: at the people defending Half-Life 2. The gunplay was absolute s***. Hell, Half-Life, Halo: CE, Duke Nukem 3D, and Quake III have better gunplay. It didn't feel good to shoot anything in that f***ing game. It felt like you were shooting airsoft rifles. The level design was mediocre at best, the vehicle sections played like someone pulled them out of Satan's a******, the enemy A.I. was horrible, and game loved to through physics puzzles at you for no other reason than Valve had a new physics engine and they were all, "HAI GUIZ, LOOK HOW COOL THIS IS!!1!" The only things that weren't done poorly in that game were storytelling (but the story itself still blows), and atmosphere, and both of those things have been surpased by other games years ago.

It's all flash, no substance. It rode on Half-Life's coattails (which was a legitimately great game), hype, and pretty graphics, and now it gets a free pass because the mainstream gaming media liked it (Newsflash: They like Call of Duty, too. You aren't helping your case) and the fans can't get over their nostalgia. It doesn't hold up, and people need to stop treating it like some Holy Grail.

fusionhunter

DGAF about 5v5. All I want is Zombie mod/escape. They better make it awesome CS is by far the best Valve has ever made

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Matchmaking for competitive play. Think of Starcraft 2. Dedicated servers are great for pubbing but horrible for real competition. This whole game is about 5 v 5 competition.

ChubbyGuy40

Don't you mean P2P is fine for pubbing but horrible for REAL competition?

Why the hell does everybody want a new engine? Did Protal 2 not look like a current gen title?

Wasdie

Every Source game...feels the same. It looked good but I thought it would've looked even better on something like UE3.

Since Valve's matchmaking uses dedicated servers to host the created games, your argument is irrelevant.

Why the hell does everybody want a new engine? Did Protal 2 not look like a current gen title?

Wasdie

DGAF about 5v5. All I want is Zombie mod/escape. They better make it awesome CS is by far the best Valve has ever made

Lief_Ericson

I really think that they are focusing purely on competitive play for this game. I think they'll keep on supporting CSS for all of those crazy game modes and mods people made.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Why the hell does everybody want a new engine? Did Protal 2 not look like a current gen title?

rcignoni

This isn't relaly a sequel, it's more of just an expansion to what is already there if I'm reading it right.

[QUOTE="Lief_Ericson"]

DGAF about 5v5. All I want is Zombie mod/escape. They better make it awesome CS is by far the best Valve has ever made

Wasdie

I really think that they are focusing purely on competitive play for this game. I think they'll keep on supporting CSS for all of those crazy game modes and mods people made.

Why the hell does everybody want a new engine? Did Protal 2 not look like a current gen title?

Wasdie

Yeah seriously the source engine is not as bad as some are making out to be. Portal 2 looks great and I also want to throw in Dear Esther too which looks really good.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Why the hell does everybody want a new engine? Did Protal 2 not look like a current gen title?

Wanderer5

Yeah seriously the source engine is not as bad as some are making out to be. Portal 2 looks great and I also want to throw in Dear Esther too which looks really good.

Anybody who can't recognize HL2 for being one of the best shooters in history is just plain ignorant. I don't even like the game, but I can still recognize greatness. Just like Diablo 2, Starcraft, Ocarina of Time... etc. etc. It doesn't matter whether you like it or not, it's still a milestone in gaming history and one of the most renowned and loved games of all time. End of story.rabakill

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Matchmaking for competitive play. Think of Starcraft 2. Dedicated servers are great for pubbing but horrible for real competition. This whole game is about 5 v 5 competition.

ChubbyGuy40

Don't you mean P2P is fine for pubbing but horrible for REAL competition?

Why the hell does everybody want a new engine? Did Protal 2 not look like a current gen title?

Wasdie

Every Source game...feels the same. It looked good but I thought it would've looked even better on something like UE3.

[QUOTE="rabakill"]Anybody who can't recognize HL2 for being one of the best shooters in history is just plain ignorant. I don't even like the game, but I can still recognize greatness. Just like Diablo 2, Starcraft, Ocarina of Time... etc. etc. It doesn't matter whether you like it or not, it's still a milestone in gaming history and one of the most renowned and loved games of all time. End of story.DarkLink77

It seems more like Valve just wants to bring CS:S to consoles. After they have released all their games on consoles lately, it seems they just want to add CS:S to consoles too and are adding a few new things on the way. Anyway, stop buying Valve games already! Boycott them until HL ep3 comes.Nolakk

No. They want to get in on the rise of the e-sports. They have another company making the console ports. The whole focus of this game is to make CS more competitive and not make people jump through hoops to play it competitively.

A matchmaking system is perfect for this and it's something I wish they would have had in CSS. Playing real competitive matches requires 3rd party tools and servers to set up games on private dedicated servers. It's annoying.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

You can do that too, but that doesn't make Duke Nukem any better. :)

ChubbyGuy40

Doesn't make ME2 any better for me either. :D (Really don't see why people enjoy it, but this isn't the topic for that.)

PC version better not suffer because of console development.

Considering how successful CS and is well known by the PC community they better not it would be like peeing on at leasthalf their buyers.

It's coming on consoles? If the Counter Strike on Xbox is any implication, no thank you. But if it's dumbed down, people shouldn't complain, seeing as how we didn't mind gobbling up Source.drinkerofjuice

It's not dumbed down. They apparently are only really adding weapons, not changing the ones already in. No iron sites ether. It's pretty much CSS being made more competitive.

You damn right I'm a big fanboy of CS.

And :lol: at the people defending Half-Life 2. The gunplay was absolute s***. Hell, Half-Life, Halo: CE, Duke Nukem 3D, and Quake III have better gunplay. It didn't feel good to shoot anything in that f***ing game. It felt like you were shooting airsoft rifles. The level design was mediocre at best, the vehicle sections played like someone pulled them out of Satan's a******, the enemy A.I. was horrible, and game loved to through physics puzzles at you for no other reason than Valve had a new physics engine and they were all, "HAI GUIZ, LOOK HOW COOL THIS IS!!1!" The only things that weren't done poorly in that game were storytelling (but the story itself still blows), and atmosphere, and both of those things have been surpased by other games years ago.

It's all flash, no substance. It rode on Half-Life's coattails (which was a legitimately great game), hype, and pretty graphics, and now it gets a free pass because the mainstream gaming media liked it (Newsflash: They like Call of Duty, too. You aren't helping your case) and the fans can't get over their nostalgia. It doesn't hold up, and people need to stop treating it like some Holy Grail.

DarkLink77

Oh wow, not one but TWO people with duke nukem forever avatars bashing HL2. That's even funnier and even goes so far to talk about nostalgia when bashing HL2!!!

[QUOTE="Nolakk"]It seems more like Valve just wants to bring CS:S to consoles. After they have released all their games on consoles lately, it seems they just want to add CS:S to consoles too and are adding a few new things on the way. Anyway, stop buying Valve games already! Boycott them until HL ep3 comes.Wasdie

No. They want to get in on the rise of the e-sports. They have another company making the console ports. The whole focus of this game is to make CS more competitive and not make people jump through hoops to play it competitively.

A matchmaking system is perfect for this and it's something I wish they would have had in CSS. Playing real competitive matches requires 3rd party tools and servers to set up games on private dedicated servers. It's annoying.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="Nolakk"]It seems more like Valve just wants to bring CS:S to consoles. After they have released all their games on consoles lately, it seems they just want to add CS:S to consoles too and are adding a few new things on the way. Anyway, stop buying Valve games already! Boycott them until HL ep3 comes.Nolakk

No. They want to get in on the rise of the e-sports. They have another company making the console ports. The whole focus of this game is to make CS more competitive and not make people jump through hoops to play it competitively.

A matchmaking system is perfect for this and it's something I wish they would have had in CSS. Playing real competitive matches requires 3rd party tools and servers to set up games on private dedicated servers. It's annoying.

You haven't read the big thread on reddit from one of the beta testers answering questions. It's in by no way CS:S for consoles wiht a few new things.

Well, thats what it seems to you, but for me, from what Valve said, it seems more like CS:S for consoles with a new few things. And theres some link where it says Valve is doing the console versions too.Nolakk

Hidden Path should be doing the port. They've been doing the CSS updates for awhile too.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

And :lol: at the people defending Half-Life 2. The gunplay was absolute s***. Hell, Half-Life, Halo: CE, Duke Nukem 3D, and Quake III have better gunplay. It didn't feel good to shoot anything in that f***ing game. It felt like you were shooting airsoft rifles. The level design was mediocre at best, the vehicle sections played like someone pulled them out of Satan's a******, the enemy A.I. was horrible, and game loved to through physics puzzles at you for no other reason than Valve had a new physics engine and they were all, "HAI GUIZ, LOOK HOW COOL THIS IS!!1!" The only things that weren't done poorly in that game were storytelling (but the story itself still blows), and atmosphere, and both of those things have been surpased by other games years ago.

It's all flash, no substance. It rode on Half-Life's coattails (which was a legitimately great game), hype, and pretty graphics, and now it gets a free pass because the mainstream gaming media liked it (Newsflash: They like Call of Duty, too. You aren't helping your case) and the fans can't get over their nostalgia. It doesn't hold up, and people need to stop treating it like some Holy Grail.

GD1551

Oh wow, not one but TWO people with duke nukem forever avatars bashing HL2. That's even funnier and even goes so far to talk about nostalgia when bashing HL2!!!

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="rabakill"]Anybody who can't recognize HL2 for being one of the best shooters in history is just plain ignorant. I don't even like the game, but I can still recognize greatness. Just like Diablo 2, Starcraft, Ocarina of Time... etc. etc. It doesn't matter whether you like it or not, it's still a milestone in gaming history and one of the most renowned and loved games of all time. End of story.rabakill

Yes, because no other FPS except Half-Life 2 had any of those things when it released. Get real. :roll:

Quake did all of that without the storytelling bit in 1996, and Half-Life did the storytelling bit later. None of that is groundbreaking.

[QUOTE="Nolakk"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

No. They want to get in on the rise of the e-sports. They have another company making the console ports. The whole focus of this game is to make CS more competitive and not make people jump through hoops to play it competitively.

A matchmaking system is perfect for this and it's something I wish they would have had in CSS. Playing real competitive matches requires 3rd party tools and servers to set up games on private dedicated servers. It's annoying.

Wasdie

You haven't read the big thread on reddit from one of the beta testers answering questions. It's in by no way CS:S for consoles wiht a few new things.

Oh cool, this is my chance to get into Counterstrike. *





* For "get into Counterstrike", read "join a match for 5 minutes then ragequit and go play a puzzle game"

[QUOTE="Nolakk"] Well, thats what it seems to you, but for me, from what Valve said, it seems more like CS:S for consoles with a new few things. And theres some link where it says Valve is doing the console versions too.ChubbyGuy40

Hidden Path should be doing the port. They've been doing the CSS updates for awhile too.

All it says is "Global Offensive is currently in development at Valve Software and Hidden Path Entertainment, the team that also helped with Counter Strike: Source". Nolakk

I'm saying that because Turtle Rock did the Counter Strike port for Xbox and they were contracted by Valve for quite some time.

Hidden Path has a lot of devs who have experience with consoles so I thought it'd only be natural.

[QUOTE="TailBlood"]

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

So happy they're making this. I couldn't care less for HL3 since HL2 sucked.

fusionhunter

sales determine how many ppl like this game, not just individual's opinion.

why would ppl pay $60 if they dont like it?

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

[QUOTE="rabakill"] err... wrong. Try again. Top of the line graphics, unique storytelling, varied settings, unique weapons, unique enemies, varied and detailed environments, groundbreaking physics (when the game came out it was one of the first with any sort of realistic physics and the gravity gun was the centerpiece to this aspect). You can deny it all you want, it doesn't matter.rabakill

Yes, because no other FPS except Half-Life 2 had any of those things when it released. Get real. :roll:

Quake did all of that without the storytelling bit in 1996, and Half-Life did the storytelling bit later. None of that is groundbreaking.

I take it that means that you have no rebuttal, then. Which is fine, but you can call me names all day long if it makes you feel better. :)

Cannnn nnoooottt waiiittt....this is gonna be awesome! Counter strike is easily the best multiplayer game i have played by far...the 100s of hours i have on that game....

[QUOTE="fusionhunter"]

[QUOTE="TailBlood"]Metacritic, sales, user scores, fanbase kindly disagree.

oajlu

sales determine how many ppl like this game, not just individual's opinion.

why would ppl pay $60 if they dont like it?

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

And :lol: at the people defending Half-Life 2. The gunplay was absolute s***. Hell, Half-Life, Halo: CE, Duke Nukem 3D, and Quake III have better gunplay. It didn't feel good to shoot anything in that f***ing game. It felt like you were shooting airsoft rifles. The level design was mediocre at best, the vehicle sections played like someone pulled them out of Satan's a******, the enemy A.I. was horrible, and game loved to through physics puzzles at you for no other reason than Valve had a new physics engine and they were all, "HAI GUIZ, LOOK HOW COOL THIS IS!!1!" The only things that weren't done poorly in that game were storytelling (but the story itself still blows), and atmosphere, and both of those things have been surpased by other games years ago.

It's all flash, no substance. It rode on Half-Life's coattails (which was a legitimately great game), hype, and pretty graphics, and now it gets a free pass because the mainstream gaming media liked it (Newsflash: They like Call of Duty, too. You aren't helping your case) and the fans can't get over their nostalgia. It doesn't hold up, and people need to stop treating it like some Holy Grail.

DarkLink77

Oh wow, not one but TWO people with duke nukem forever avatars bashing HL2. That's even funnier and even goes so far to talk about nostalgia when bashing HL2!!!

Still not moot since you obviously like DNF or duke which has always been a terrible character.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="GD1551"]

Oh wow, not one but TWO people with duke nukem forever avatars bashing HL2. That's even funnier and even goes so far to talk about nostalgia when bashing HL2!!!

GD1551

Still not moot since you obviously like DNF or duke which has always been a terrible character.

lets hope the hit boxs works

Sounds like Counter strike with better graphics, but it's only going to be like $20 at release so we don't know yet

And all this E-sports stuff, where do you even watch it? 0_o

Sounds like Counter strike with better graphics, but it's only going to be like $20 at release so we don't know yet

And all this E-sports stuff, where do you even watch it? 0_o

firefluff3

Online through streams. I believe DirectTV even has coverage sometimes too.

My only thing on my wishlist is a cover system.