NEW, Dark Souls the most hardcore game of 2011 link (56k)

I don't like the fact that it says those that persevere will get past it. A game can be hard but not constantly punish you for not magically knowing you were going to get hit by some random guy that comes out of nowhere, or having a boss that has a million instant kill attacks. Players need to always have some indication as to what's going to happen or how to beat enemies, and that doesn't mean holding their hand it just means being fair, constantly killing them doesn't make a game hardcore it makes it annoying.bobbetybob

Completely agree.

[QUOTE="bobbetybob"]I don't like the fact that it says those that persevere will get past it. A game can be hard but not constantly punish you for not magically knowing you were going to get hit by some random guy that comes out of nowhere, or having a boss that has a million instant kill attacks. Players need to always have some indication as to what's going to happen or how to beat enemies, and that doesn't mean holding their hand it just means being fair, constantly killing them doesn't make a game hardcore it makes it annoying.NaveedLife

Completely agree.

[QUOTE="bobbetybob"]I don't like the fact that it says those that persevere will get past it. A game can be hard but not constantly punish you for not magically knowing you were going to get hit by some random guy that comes out of nowhere, or having a boss that has a million instant kill attacks. Players need to always have some indication as to what's going to happen or how to beat enemies, and that doesn't mean holding their hand it just means being fair, constantly killing them doesn't make a game hardcore it makes it annoying.NaveedLife

Completely agree.

I dont know what game you guys were playing but Demons Souls was nothing like that.

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[QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

Yep now its official.. not getting the game

finalstar2007

Wait, why?

The part where it says "more difficult than its predecessor" just confirmed it, Demon Souls was too hard so i wont bother with this

Dude, I thought you were gonna be the first in line to get that game. :lol:

Out of topic"I recognize you from the threads you make in the forum"

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

[QUOTE="bobbetybob"]I don't like the fact that it says those that persevere will get past it. A game can be hard but not constantly punish you for not magically knowing you were going to get hit by some random guy that comes out of nowhere, or having a boss that has a million instant kill attacks. Players need to always have some indication as to what's going to happen or how to beat enemies, and that doesn't mean holding their hand it just means being fair, constantly killing them doesn't make a game hardcore it makes it annoying.Jolt_counter119

Completely agree.

I dont know what game you guys were playing but Demons Souls was nothing like that.

Not all the time, but it was like that in areas. Oh there is a guy hiding behind this corner I didnt know was there and he bashed my head in? Yay I get to play the whole level again now but THIS time its going to be....completely the same :(. There are DEFINITELY trial and error parts, like knowing exactly where to stand with the dragons burning stuff, and when they will come through. Nothing helps you but learning from death. I beat the game and the awful ending (or lack there of) made me like it less.

Man, so excited for this game, but that thing about the difficuty...now i'm really doubting to get it, i like they are saying it would be fair, so hopefully once you know what to expect it won't be frustraing, if not, then i won't get it.

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[QUOTE="Birdy09"]

I know you dont want to argue, but for gods sake they are reviewers, this is completely exagurated in most aspects. unless ofcourse its being treated byu platform standards that are not use to Online RPGs.

Birdy09

lol, so if Demon's Souls in your opinion is only above average because of the sum of it's parts then I wonlder what your opinion of Mass Effect 1/2, Dragon Age, The Withcher and Oblivion are?

I respect your opinon.

just so you konw I just wanted some refrence for your "standards" I have played all the games mentioned here as well and honesly NONE of them are above average or9+ in my opinion.

Honestly I'm suprised at your reply that mass effect 1/2 were above average, I could rip on it but I will simply say that its a gimped more restrictive version of KOTOR, and that game came out last gen.

all in all Demon's Souls is in no way average comaired to anything that has come out this gen and has more polish and quality than alll those big name games that get many high reviews and awards based on publisher reputation and advertising, and Dark Souls looks to be a step up to the game no other game has been able to meet so far in terms of my standards this gen. That's why I beieve it will be the best RPG theis year.

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[QUOTE="bobbetybob"]I don't like the fact that it says those that persevere will get past it. A game can be hard but not constantly punish you for not magically knowing you were going to get hit by some random guy that comes out of nowhere, or having a boss that has a million instant kill attacks. Players need to always have some indication as to what's going to happen or how to beat enemies, and that doesn't mean holding their hand it just means being fair, constantly killing them doesn't make a game hardcore it makes it annoying.110million

Completely agree.

Indeed, it is a game that is meant to be played and learned. This means taking the time to learn from your mistakes, trying different approaches and learning the layout of the levels as well. The gratification from being patient, learning and playing the gameis what makes it so immensely rewarding and is why it gained the rep it did from word of mouth alone.

The only real complaint I could understand is that it is a time sink and a half and could thereby be a turn off for those who are not patient and/or do not have the time to invest into getting back what you put in. For me, that is what gaming is all about and is why I am looking forward to hours upon hours of learning and growing all over again in what looks to be a bigger, better and even more atmospheric game than Demon's Souls was.

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[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

Completely agree.

NaveedLife

I dont know what game you guys were playing but Demons Souls was nothing like that.

Not all the time, but it was like that in areas. Oh there is a guy hiding behind this corner I didnt know was there and he bashed my head in? Yay I get to play the whole level again now but THIS time its going to be....completely the same :(. There are DEFINITELY trial and error parts, like knowing exactly where to stand with the dragons burning stuff, and when they will come through. Nothing helps you but learning from death. I beat the game and the awful ending (or lack there of) made me like it less.

But you dont get one shotted ever. And if you are worried about the odd corner enemy the game teaches you quickly NOT to let your gaurd down. Plus the little blood messages pretty much tell you everything, the online was probably the best implemented ive played in an rpg like this. What I noticed throughout the game was that I was dying a lot less in the second half than I was in the first. I think Nintendo has spoiled you with its ridiculously easy gameplay that you dont enjoy replaying levels anymore:P I hate too many checkpoints.

While I'm glad that they're trying to make it harder I don't think it'll be the "most hardcore game of 2011".

While I'm glad that they're trying to make it harder I don't think it'll be the "most hardcore game of 2011".

Yangire

You're not getting it, are you?

Bullshots?shane_orija

Did you play Demon's Souls?

From Software didn't use fakes, take a look at my user ID

what you see in gameplay pics is what you will get

Gameplay Trailer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf68Scw49Zs&feature=related

[QUOTE="Yangire"]

While I'm glad that they're trying to make it harder I don't think it'll be the "most hardcore game of 2011".

Shirokishi_

You're not getting it, are you?

No, I might rent it but I don't have faith in new From Software.

While I'm glad that they're trying to make it harder I don't think it'll be the "most hardcore game of 2011".

Yangire

Actually, that's a good point, what even make this game "hardcore", because from what i know hard=/=hardcore.

[QUOTE="Yangire"]

While I'm glad that they're trying to make it harder I don't think it'll be the "most hardcore game of 2011".

madsnakehhh

Actually, that's a good point, what even make this game "hardcore", because from what i know hard=/=hardcore.

Well it depends on the person really, some people don't even think games can be hardcore.

[QUOTE="Yangire"]

While I'm glad that they're trying to make it harder I don't think it'll be the "most hardcore game of 2011".

madsnakehhh

Actually, that's a good point, what even make this game "hardcore", because from what i know hard=/=hardcore.

Long, no hand holding, open world, very difficult, not co op (in the traditional sense) huge bosses. If this game isnt hardcore than I dont know what a hardcore game is. Kirbys Epic Yarn?

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[QUOTE="Yangire"]

While I'm glad that they're trying to make it harder I don't think it'll be the "most hardcore game of 2011".

Jolt_counter119

Actually, that's a good point, what even make this game "hardcore", because from what i know hard=/=hardcore.

Long, no hand holding, open world, very difficult, not co op (in the traditional sense) huge bosses. If this game isnt hardcore than I dont know what a hardcore game is. Kirbys Epic Yarn?

Sounds more like just a hard game.

IMO games aren't hardcore nor casuals but gamers are hardcore or casuals, but yeah, nothing to do with this thread, i just found funny to be called the most hardocre game, when in fact, we don't even agree in the meaning of the term.

Can't wait to invade people on this game and watch the hate mail come in, kind of missed doing that with DS now with PSN offline. themyth01

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[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

Actually, that's a good point, what even make this game "hardcore", because from what i know hard=/=hardcore.

madsnakehhh

Long, no hand holding, open world, very difficult, not co op (in the traditional sense) huge bosses. If this game isnt hardcore than I dont know what a hardcore game is. Kirbys Epic Yarn?

Sounds more like just a hard game.

IMO games aren't hardcore nor casuals but gamers are hardcore or casuals, but yeah, nothing to do with this thread, i just found funny to be called the most hardocre game, when in fact, we don't even agree in the meaning of the term.

ask the publisihers of Edge mag, maybe it's just :P a "hard" game aim at the "core" audience of "game" players? IE "hardcore game"

[QUOTE="Jolt_counter119"]

[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

Actually, that's a good point, what even make this game "hardcore", because from what i know hard=/=hardcore.

madsnakehhh

Long, no hand holding, open world, very difficult, not co op (in the traditional sense) huge bosses. If this game isnt hardcore than I dont know what a hardcore game is. Kirbys Epic Yarn?

Sounds more like just a hard game.

IMO games aren't hardcore nor casuals but gamers are hardcore or casuals, but yeah, nothing to do with this thread, i just found funny to be called the most hardocre game, when in fact, we don't even agree in the meaning of the term.

Yeah but what game would a harcore gamer be able to play. Would a casual put fifty hours on Demons Souls? Whether or not its hardcore or not I find it hard to believe someone whos really not that into gaming would finish it. Not saying all serious or long time game fans would finish DS if they dont like it or its not their genre.

i buy both versions one of the best games this year easily for me CTR360

haha easily,

I hope they have a big update with lots of info and a lockdown release date during E3. I'm not getting enough info and this board needs tobe remided that they are forgetting one of the biggest games to come out this gen when discussing upcomming titles this year.

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[QUOTE="Jolt_counter119"]

Long, no hand holding, open world, very difficult, not co op (in the traditional sense) huge bosses. If this game isnt hardcore than I dont know what a hardcore game is. Kirbys Epic Yarn?

Jolt_counter119

Sounds more like just a hard game.

IMO games aren't hardcore nor casuals but gamers are hardcore or casuals, but yeah, nothing to do with this thread, i just found funny to be called the most hardocre game, when in fact, we don't even agree in the meaning of the term.

Yeah but what game would a harcore gamer be able to play. Would a casual put fifty hours on Demons Souls? Whether or not its hardcore or not I find it hard to believe someone whos really not that into gaming would finish it. Not saying all serious or long time game fans would finish DS if they dont like it or its not their genre.

A casual won't likely put 15 hours in any game. Either it's called Epic Yarn or Demon's Souls.

[QUOTE="Jolt_counter119"]

[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

Sounds more like just a hard game.

IMO games aren't hardcore nor casuals but gamers are hardcore or casuals, but yeah, nothing to do with this thread, i just found funny to be called the most hardocre game, when in fact, we don't even agree in the meaning of the term.

madsnakehhh

Yeah but what game would a harcore gamer be able to play. Would a casual put fifty hours on Demons Souls? Whether or not its hardcore or not I find it hard to believe someone whos really not that into gaming would finish it. Not saying all serious or long time game fans would finish DS if they dont like it or its not their genre.

A casual won't likely put 15 hours in any game. Either it's called Epic Yarn or Demon's Souls.

Probably not, but a casual would definely enjoy KEY more than DS.

Bullshots?shane_orija

here you go.

think I'll add this to my original post as well

And if Demon's Souls is anything to judge this by, I'll play it and beat it with little to no trouble.

And continue to :roll: at DS fans who think they have the hardest game ever.

here you go.

think I'll add this to my original post as well

casharmy

While I'm glad that they're trying to make it harder I don't think it'll be the "most hardcore game of 2011".

Yangire

[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

[QUOTE="Jolt_counter119"]

Yeah but what game would a harcore gamer be able to play. Would a casual put fifty hours on Demons Souls? Whether or not its hardcore or not I find it hard to believe someone whos really not that into gaming would finish it. Not saying all serious or long time game fans would finish DS if they dont like it or its not their genre.

Jolt_counter119

A casual won't likely put 15 hours in any game. Either it's called Epic Yarn or Demon's Souls.

Probably not, but a casual would definely enjoy KEY more than DS.

There is no way to know, is like claiming that a hardcore will enjoy DS more than Epic Yarn, which in theory it should be the case and quite obvious if we all agree in the meaning of this terms, but again, there is just no way to know for sure, that's why the terms of Casual Game, Hardcore Game, Causal Gamer and Hardcore Gamer are a bunch of subjective terms with endless explanations and every one will have their own idea on the meaning of this terms, that's why i find funny that edge magazine claims that this game will be the most Hardcore of 2011, when in fact, we don't even agree in what a Hardcore game should be.

[QUOTE="Yangire"]

While I'm glad that they're trying to make it harder I don't think it'll be the "most hardcore game of 2011".

Some-Mist

I was a fan of Demon's Souls at first.

Until I realized the "difficulty" everyone was talking about was almost non-existant.

Can't wait to invade people on this game and watch the hate mail come in, kind of missed doing that with DS now with PSN offline. themyth01

Loved doing that also. :)

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[QUOTE="Yangire"]

While I'm glad that they're trying to make it harder I don't think it'll be the "most hardcore game of 2011".

OneSanitarium

I was a fan of Demon's Souls at first.

Until I realized the "difficulty" everyone was talking about was almost non-existant.

[QUOTE="Some-Mist"]

[QUOTE="Yangire"]

While I'm glad that they're trying to make it harder I don't think it'll be the "most hardcore game of 2011".

OneSanitarium

I was a fan of Demon's Souls at first.

Until I realized the "difficulty" everyone was talking about was almost non-existant.

You must have a very limited number of games to enjoy if Demon's Souls mind numbingly easy gameplay is what turned you off.

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[QUOTE="Some-Mist"]I can almost guarentee it won't be the most difficult game of 2011 either.



I will be buying it since I was a fan of Demon's Souls, but I am skeptical at the moment.

lbjkurono23

I was a fan of Demon's Souls at first.

Until I realized the "difficulty" everyone was talking about was almost non-existant.

I couldn't find either trait in my 100 hours of playing.

[QUOTE="OneSanitarium"]

[QUOTE="Some-Mist"]I can almost guarentee it won't be the most difficult game of 2011 either.



I will be buying it since I was a fan of Demon's Souls, but I am skeptical at the moment.

Jolt_counter119

I was a fan of Demon's Souls at first.

Until I realized the "difficulty" everyone was talking about was almost non-existant.

You must have a very limited number of games to enjoy if Demon's Souls mind numbingly easy gameplay is what turned you off.

What?

The idea of a game being more hardcore than Men of War: Assault Squad strikes me as absolutely laughable.

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

here you go.

think I'll add this to my original post as well

lbjkurono23

that gif would be more awesome if the player actually gets impaled by that gigantic horn.

[QUOTE="lbjkurono23"]

[QUOTE="OneSanitarium"]

I was a fan of Demon's Souls at first.

Until I realized the "difficulty" everyone was talking about was almost non-existant.

OneSanitarium

I couldn't find either trait in my 100 hours of playing.

[QUOTE="Jolt_counter119"]

[QUOTE="OneSanitarium"]

I was a fan of Demon's Souls at first.

Until I realized the "difficulty" everyone was talking about was almost non-existant.

OneSanitarium

You must have a very limited number of games to enjoy if Demon's Souls mind numbingly easy gameplay is what turned you off.

What?

If the difficulty of the game is why you stopped being a fan, then there are not many game that are that much harder then DS especially this gen.

And if Demon's Souls is anything to judge this by, I'll play it and beat it with little to no trouble.

And continue to :roll: at DS fans who think they have the hardest game ever.

OneSanitarium

it's not the fact that it's hard that attracts people to demon's Souls it's the awsomeness of the gameplay and the amazing atmosphere, the difficultyis just a point some people latch on to beause it's the one thing they can't overcome.

I never really thought demon's souls was THAT hard it's just a selling point to open a discussion on the game :wink:

[QUOTE="OneSanitarium"]

[QUOTE="lbjkurono23"] So you would love the game if no one talked about it's difficulty?

lbjkurono23

I couldn't find either trait in my 100 hours of playing.

No thats what I said.

I wanted to play the game because everyone said it was hard and stuff. I find hard games fun.

I didn't find DS hard/fun.

And 100 hours because I love grinding. That part was (slightly) entertaining for the first 20 hours or so. I just kept going for a bit longer because I wanted a high level. I stopped after a while because I traded it in to preorder a different game.

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[QUOTE="casharmy"]

here you go.

think I'll add this to my original post as well

Deadbeatcobra

that gif would be more awesome if the player actually gets impaled by that gigantic horn.

and the amazing atmosphere

casharmy

Thats something I hope they improve on, after playing Shadow Tower Abyss Demon's Souls atmosphere felt really lacking.

[QUOTE="OneSanitarium"]

[QUOTE="Jolt_counter119"]

You must have a very limited number of games to enjoy if Demon's Souls mind numbingly easy gameplay is what turned you off.

Jolt_counter119

What?

If the difficulty of the game is why you stopped being a fan, then there are not many game that are that much harder then DS especially this gen.

It's not just it being easy, it was it being easy after everyone was saying it was going to be so damn hard.

As for this gen, yeah a lot of games are overly easy, but I don't just buy games from THIS gen.

There are tons of games from previous gens that I am still interested in and haven't gotten to play.

[QUOTE="OneSanitarium"]

And if Demon's Souls is anything to judge this by, I'll play it and beat it with little to no trouble.

And continue to :roll: at DS fans who think they have the hardest game ever.

casharmy

it's not the fact that it's hard that attracts people to demon's Souls it's the awsomeness of the gameplay and the amazing atmosphere, the difficultyis just a point some people latch on to beause it's the one thing they can't overcome.

I never really thought demon's souls was THAT hard it's just a selling point to open a discussion on the game :wink:

The gameplay was just a matter of "Don't run ahead if you don't know whats there. Also, Block most of the time and attack after being attacked". I found it boring.

The atmosphere was only really existant in the swampy levels (been a while since I've played the game, don't remember the names anymore) and the boss with Maden Astrea or however her name is spelled.

Also, why are so many bosses weak to fire? I know it's not really that many, but using fire always seemed smart.