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#151 ianuilliam
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[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"]Difficult is ok. Not being able to pause a game is stupid no matter how you defend Demons Souls. The restarting was annoying as he'll. I dont't mind hard games, and I loved DS. But some design choices are perplexing.madsnakehhh

You cannot pause the game? now that's awful, you should be able to stop or take a break from the game any time you want, i hope there is a pause in Dark Souls, because that's just awful game design, even Ninja Gaiden in the NES has a Pause button, this doesn't make sense from a design point of view, this isn't a hard game, this is just devs messing with users.

Not being able to pause is directly tied to the way the online play is incorporated into the game. DS doesn't have a single player mode and a multiplayer mode, it's all the same. No online multiplayer games that I'm aware of let you pause.

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#152 DivineSword  Moderator
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Great news, I still need to get around to playing Demon's Souls first before this gets released.

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#153 Swift_Boss_A
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[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"]Difficult is ok. Not being able to pause a game is stupid no matter how you defend Demons Souls. The restarting was annoying as he'll. I dont't mind hard games, and I loved DS. But some design choices are perplexing.ianuilliam

You cannot pause the game? now that's awful, you should be able to stop or take a break from the game any time you want, i hope there is a pause in Dark Souls, because that's just awful game design, even Ninja Gaiden in the NES has a Pause button, this doesn't make sense from a design point of view, this isn't a hard game, this is just devs messing with users.

Not being able to pause is directly tied to the way the online play is incorporated into the game. DS doesn't have a single player mode and a multiplayer mode, it's all the same. No online multiplayer games that I'm aware of let you pause.

You can choose to play the game without the online integration but yeah that is one of the reasons why you can't pause in the game. With online at work you really are never safe in the game but without it (cowards way out :P) the game has a lot of safe spots you can stay to essentially pause.

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#154 Arach666
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Hmmm,I´m interested.

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#155 madsnakehhh
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[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"]Difficult is ok. Not being able to pause a game is stupid no matter how you defend Demons Souls. The restarting was annoying as he'll. I dont't mind hard games, and I loved DS. But some design choices are perplexing.ianuilliam

You cannot pause the game? now that's awful, you should be able to stop or take a break from the game any time you want, i hope there is a pause in Dark Souls, because that's just awful game design, even Ninja Gaiden in the NES has a Pause button, this doesn't make sense from a design point of view, this isn't a hard game, this is just devs messing with users.

Not being able to pause is directly tied to the way the online play is incorporated into the game. DS doesn't have a single player mode and a multiplayer mode, it's all the same. No online multiplayer games that I'm aware of let you pause.

Well, StarCraft 2 allows you to pause the game in an online multiplayer match, anyway, that's not the point, but what about when you aren't online, i'm sure they allow you to play offline, so then it should allow you to pause the game.

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#157 xOMGITSJASONx
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If Dark Souls ends up being better than Demon's Souls i will go crazy.

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#158 Filthybastrd
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I'm extremely hyped. It was very clear that DS was hard as nails but in the sense that you could lookto the mirror for praise. If this next game builds on the same designit will be amazing.

Honestly,DS was'nt even that hard once you found a good char setup.

Demon's Soulsis the best game this generation if you give it the time to be so.

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#159 silversix_
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I want it to be frustrating hard! Demon's Souls series is my fav Japanese game since Golden Sun on gameboy advance. Looks spectacular.
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#160 fabz_95
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:lol:, awesome gif. I had no idea that Demons Souls had a follow-up, I didn't play Demons Souls and I'm glad there's a sequel; I don't want to miss out on this one.
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#161 SPYDER0416
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[QUOTE="Heirren"]

[QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

Yep now its official.. not getting the game

finalstar2007

Wait, why?

The part where it says "more difficult than its predecessor" just confirmed it, Demon Souls was too hard so i wont bother with this

Well that's the point of a game. Not for wusses dude.

I am so excited for it, as much as I want Skyrim (previously ME3 before the delay), I think this game has a huge shot at RPGotY. Especially if they can improve the online interactions and customization/RPG features.

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#163 rumbalumba
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psh. they always dumb down the difficulty for Western audiences.

West: "omg it's teh too difficultz game!"

i remember them dumbing down DMC and Ninja Gaiden for the west. bleh.

bring on the difficulty.

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#164 93BlackHawk93
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Freaking amazing! :D

My body is ready! 8)

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#165 Dead-Memories
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stunning. when released, it will be one of the best games ever.

GOTY 2011.

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#166 Legolas_Katarn
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I heard this before but it is great news. With how everyone likes to dumb down their games lately Dragon Age 2, Oblivion, Fallout 3, probably The Witcher 2 it's great to see a company not listen to the whiny average gamer. Before I first heard this I really expected them to make the game easier or easy in general, actually making it harder is perfect. The real fans of Demons Souls should be ready for more of a challenge anyway. The only thing I wanted them to change is that I would have liked to be able to invite friends to play in co-op but they are still doing it the Demons Souls way last I heard.

[QUOTE="Brazil_Surfer"]While I agree this game will probably be quite good, I didn't play the first one so I don't really know, All I can say is Skyrim will blow this game out of the water in terms of 'best rpg of 2011'casharmy

You didn't play Demon's Souls, but I have played Oblivion.

This I can tell you, Demon's Souls isn't like evey other game this gen. I'm curious as to why you think Skyrim could blow Dark Souls out of the water when all Oblivion turned out to be was hype that ended up being less impressive than it's last gen predicessor Marrowind Elder Scrolls 3?

It was easy, and therefore better. Also the graphics were better so everything was improved.
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#167 timmy00
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Hayz I'm going to beat dark souls with only using my fist for my character while using my toes to use the controller. I'm so hardcore. 8)

:P

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#168 Chutebox
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Can't wait....

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#169 110million
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psh. they always dumb down the difficulty for Western audiences.

West: "omg it's teh too difficultz game!"

i remember them dumbing down DMC and Ninja Gaiden for the west. bleh.

bring on the difficulty.

rumbalumba
Actually that is not always true. Devil May Cry 3's normal in North America is Japan's hard mode. Demon's Souls was exactly the same in western release as Japanese, as have been just about EVERY game this generation.
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#170 Chutebox
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Freaking amazing! :D

My body is ready! 8)

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My controller isn't ready. :?

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#171 deactivated-5b4ca38d5fcb0
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Demon's Souls souls saved this generation! Can't wait for this!
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#172 Pride_x
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Good lord it looks incredible

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#173 Jynxzor
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Bring it on Dark Souls.

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#174 Blabadon
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FORGET DARK SOULS, LOOK AT THE VERY TOP OF THE COVER!!! :D

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#175 mccoyca112
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[QUOTE="lbjkurono23"]@casharmy: Yes, but I don't recall dying from one hit(other than the fight with the tower knight)NaveedLife

Me neither. A couple or a few yeah, but not one I don't think.

Instant deaths never happened alot, until ng+ and so on. Unique characters, black skeletons, and the like. Very annoying, but gave you a lesson in what the game was really about. Adapting. Learn their attacks better, and it'll be a cakewalk, but a screw up is still going to cost you big. Especially if you didnt have vitality close to 40 at least. 40 was the norm anyway for the community as pvp decided on a cutoff level of 120-129

Eagerly awaiting release.

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#177 finalfantasy94
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That giant rat creeps me out.

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#178 Some-Mist
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I heard this before but it is great news. With how everyone likes to dumb down their games lately Dragon Age 2, Oblivion, Fallout 3, probably The Witcher 2 it's great to see a company not listen to the whiny average gamer. Before I first heard this I really expected them to make the game easier or easy in general, actually making it harder is perfect. The real fans of Demons Souls should be ready for more of a challenge anyway. The only thing I wanted them to change is that I would have liked to be able to invite friends to play in co-op but they are still doing it the Demons Souls way last I heard. [QUOTE="casharmy"]

[QUOTE="Brazil_Surfer"]While I agree this game will probably be quite good, I didn't play the first one so I don't really know, All I can say is Skyrim will blow this game out of the water in terms of 'best rpg of 2011'Legolas_Katarn

You didn't play Demon's Souls, but I have played Oblivion.

This I can tell you, Demon's Souls isn't like evey other game this gen. I'm curious as to why you think Skyrim could blow Dark Souls out of the water when all Oblivion turned out to be was hype that ended up being less impressive than it's last gen predicessor Marrowind Elder Scrolls 3?

It was easy, and therefore better. Also the graphics were better so everything was improved.

I know this isn't your opinion, but sadly, this is how the average consumer thinks, which is why I think games are typically dumbed down.

just look at the amount of people in this thread that stated they disliked the game due to difficulty. If this thread is any indicator, the average gamer doesn't want a steep/challenging learning curve and they want something that takes less than 40 hours to beat first playthrough. For them, a 10 hour game that holds your hand is MUCH better.

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#180 DarkLink77
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I wonder if it'll be as boring as Demon's Souls.

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#181 finalfantasy94
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[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

That giant rat creeps me out.

TheGuardian03

Look at the giant wolf holy *** :P.

lol I just notice that too. I saw the guy and was like wait a second is that a giant wolf!?

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#183 Legolas_Katarn
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[QUOTE="Legolas_Katarn"]I heard this before but it is great news. With how everyone likes to dumb down their games lately Dragon Age 2, Oblivion, Fallout 3, probably The Witcher 2 it's great to see a company not listen to the whiny average gamer. Before I first heard this I really expected them to make the game easier or easy in general, actually making it harder is perfect. The real fans of Demons Souls should be ready for more of a challenge anyway. The only thing I wanted them to change is that I would have liked to be able to invite friends to play in co-op but they are still doing it the Demons Souls way last I heard. [QUOTE="casharmy"]

You didn't play Demon's Souls, but I have played Oblivion.

This I can tell you, Demon's Souls isn't like evey other game this gen. I'm curious as to why you think Skyrim could blow Dark Souls out of the water when all Oblivion turned out to be was hype that ended up being less impressive than it's last gen predicessor Marrowind Elder Scrolls 3?

Some-Mist

It was easy, and therefore better. Also the graphics were better so everything was improved.

I know this isn't your opinion, but sadly, this is how the average consumer thinks, which is why I think games are typically dumbed down.

just look at the amount of people in this thread that stated they disliked the game due to difficulty. If this thread is any indicator, the average gamer doesn't want a steep/challenging learning curve and they want something that takes less than 40 hours to beat first playthrough. For them, a 10 hour game that holds your hand is MUCH better.

Lucky for us this developer must not want money and will make an appealing game for us rather than one that sells well because it caters to the Call of Duty crowd.

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#184 Snugenz
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[QUOTE="Heirren"]

[QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

Yep now its official.. not getting the game

finalstar2007

Wait, why?

The part where it says "more difficult than its predecessor" just confirmed it, Demon Souls was too hard so i wont bother with this

Demon's souls isnt hard, it just takes time to learn the fights/encounters, thats it. Once you know what a given enemy is gonna do and how to counter it the game becomes quite easy.

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#185 CassiusGaius
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Can't wait, DS was my favorite game this generation.

My only complaint about DS was the balancing of the characters. Playing a magic user/ranged was much easier then a character that is more focused on melee.

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#186 Snugenz
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[QUOTE="Brazil_Surfer"]While I agree this game will probably be quite good, I didn't play the first one so I don't really know, All I can say is Skyrim will blow this game out of the water in terms of 'best rpg of 2011'casharmy

You didn't play Demon's Souls, but I have played Oblivion.

This I can tell you, Demon's Souls isn't like evey other game this gen. I'm curious as to why you think Skyrim could blow Dark Souls out of the water when all Oblivion turned out to be was hype that ended up being less impressive than it's last gen predicessor Marrowind Elder Scrolls 3?

I have Demon's Souls and Oblivion and they're both awesome games for different reasons.

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#187 Snugenz
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  1. What difficulty? Demon's Souls is one of the easiest games I have played this gen. I died 5 times and one of those were forced by the tutorial.

Maroxad

Actually, its pretty easy to kill the vanguard in the tutorial with certain classes so its not a forced death.

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#188 WiiMan21
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Demon's Souls was too easy, I say bring it on.

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#189 _VenomX
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I am happy that 360 will experience Demon's Souls now :P, just hoping for the PC version IF IT'LL COME :(

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#190 Alacoque72
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Demon's Souls wasn't even hard. All you have to do is spend some time leveling up and then it gets easy again. I beat most of the bosses on the first or second try

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#191 Legolas_Katarn
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[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

  1. What difficulty? Demon's Souls is one of the easiest games I have played this gen. I died 5 times and one of those were forced by the tutorial.

Snugenz

Actually, its pretty easy to kill the vanguard in the tutorial with certain classes so its not a forced death.

Just got to avoid that stupid generic ground pound attacks and it's pretty easy. Best to remove armor and to wield sword with two hands.
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#192 garrett_daniels
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I am happy that 360 will experience Demon's Souls now :P, just hoping for the PC version IF IT'LL COME :(

_VenomX

Their other recent release (Ninja Blade) got a PC version even though PC gamers weren't exactly begging for it (unlike Demon's Souls), so I would be very surprised if they didn't port Dark Souls at some point. :)

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#193 Parasomniac
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Demon's Souls had a lot of easy bosses. After flamelurker it's pretty much smooth sailing if you make it to the boss.
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#194 Citrus25
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Dark Souls will be 2011 Game of The Year!
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#195 oldkingallant
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[QUOTE="Heirren"]

[QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

Yep now its official.. not getting the game

finalstar2007

Wait, why?

The part where it says "more difficult than its predecessor" just confirmed it, Demon Souls was too hard so i wont bother with this

Has it occurred to you that maybe you just sucked at it? It wasn't that hard, and I'm not particularly amazing at anything that isn't a platformer...
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#196 BlbecekBobecek
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Demons Souls is the best action RPG of all times on my ladder. Hopefully FROM software manages to capture that unique mix of atmosphere and gameplay again and maybe even expands on it.

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#197 mavven
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[QUOTE="shane_orija"]Bullshots?casharmy

here you go.

It looks like it took a gazillion HP to that character :D

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#198 DragonfireXZ95
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[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"]Difficult is ok. Not being able to pause a game is stupid no matter how you defend Demons Souls. The restarting was annoying as he'll. I dont't mind hard games, and I loved DS. But some design choices are perplexing.madsnakehhh

You cannot pause the game? now that's awful, you should be able to stop or take a break from the game any time you want, i hope there is a pause in Dark Souls, because that's just awful game design, even Ninja Gaiden in the NES has a Pause button, this doesn't make sense from a design point of view, this isn't a hard game, this is just devs messing with users.

It's an online multiplayer/co-op game, what do you expect? You can't pause any multiplayer games either, can you?
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#199 Maroxad  Online
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[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

  1. What difficulty? Demon's Souls is one of the easiest games I have played this gen. I died 5 times and one of those were forced by the tutorial.

Snugenz

Actually, its pretty easy to kill the vanguard in the tutorial with certain classes so its not a forced death.

Yeah, but you die after that not much later. I dont know if that death counts or not, but I do know that I checked my stats after beating the game and I had died 5 times.

[spoiler] After you kill Vanguard you enter another area and shortly after, gets punched by a dragon in a cutscene, instantly killing you. I believe the death from the dragon counts. [/spoiler]

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#200 finalfantasy94
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[QUOTE="Snugenz"]

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

  1. What difficulty? Demon's Souls is one of the easiest games I have played this gen. I died 5 times and one of those were forced by the tutorial.

Maroxad

Actually, its pretty easy to kill the vanguard in the tutorial with certain classes so its not a forced death.

Yeah, but you die after that not much later. I dont know if that death counts or not, but I do know that I checked my stats after beating the game and I had died 5 times. On my second playthrough I skipped the tutorial with a grand total of 0 deaths. Then I did a NG+ on my first character and didnt die at all.

I call bs. No way in NG+ you didint die at least once. Unless you found something broken witin the game. This game is no where near the easiest game in this gen.