New NPD leak further puts into question VGC validity

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=384933&page=48

A number of GAF members have spilled the beans, lets compare before they get adjusted.

Demons Souls

VGC - 440k

NPD - 230k

Forza 3

VGC - 1.01 million

NPD - 450k

Valkyria Chronicles

VGC - 480k

NPD - 150k

littlebigplanet PSP

VGC - 260k

NPD - 160k

Uncharted 2

VGC - 1.34 million

NPD - 900k

Call of Duty Modern Warfare Reflex

VGC - 550k

NPD - 280k

These are just a few examples, and yes, VGC edit their numbers after leaks.

EDIT: VGC is back in fashion with some people who are also trying their very best to discredit NPD. If it wasnt clear enough,the NPDnumbers are being compared to VGC'Americas' numbers. Canada at best makes up 10% of the US market, the other nations are almost negligible.

This won't stop the cows from using VGC whenever it benefits their argument.

Look, VG chartz isn't an exact science, but it's a relatively good rough estimate, that's all.clubsammich91

they do correct their numbers after they are proven though, right?GunSmith1_basic

Just more proof that VG Chartz isn't very reliable.

This won't stop the cows from using VGC whenever it benefits their argument.

EndorphinMaster

LOL, so very true.

Is NPD estimates or actual data from retailers?

Also isnt it America only and only certain stores?

Look, VG chartz isn't an exact science, but it's a relatively good rough estimate, that's all.clubsammich91

Forza 3

VGC - 1.01 million

NPD - 450k

Valkyria Chronicles

VGC - 480k

NPD - 150k

Isn't VGC worldwide?

[QUOTE="clubsammich91"]Look, VG chartz isn't an exact science, but it's a relatively good rough estimate, that's all.Evz0rz

Forza 3

VGC - 1.01 million

NPD - 450k

Valkyria Chronicles

VGC - 480k

NPD - 150k

Isn't VGC worldwide?

longtonguecat

[QUOTE="longtonguecat"]

Isn't VGC worldwide?

GulliversTravel

'Cause your brain might have been on holiday? :P

No offence but the fact that VGZ claims it tracks wordwide figures makes them even less reliable. You can't get numbers from Europe as no one is tracking every single country here.

VGZ should not be used at all as they are totaly false numbers. The only correct numbers they have are the numbers they steal from other companies like NPD.

This won't stop the cows and lemmings from using VGC whenever it benefits their argument.

EndorphinMaster

I heard NPD doesnt include Wal Mart and online retailers is this true? if so NPD is just as unreliable.

Look, VG chartz isn't an exact science, but it's a relatively good rough estimate, that's all.clubsammich91

they are more than 50% off on most numbers, i wouldn't really call that reliable

huh? world wide? compared to US only?

why don't they use VGchartz US only predictions?

lol npd...

Who cares who sells how much? Get a life.

This won't stop the cows from using VGC whenever it benefits their argument.

EndorphinMaster

It's not just cows. ALL the fanboys seem to use VGC when it suits their needs.

NPD is 30% off stated by a Sega representative and VGC collects world wide sales.XenogearsMaster

Well, remember guys :

1. The NPD just represents a portion of UNITED STATES Sales
2. The NPD is NOT the entire United States.

The NPD is very limited, not even Walmart or Amazon are included, not to mention the Entire United States.

It's a very nice tool, but we need to realize it's limitations, including that games do sell worldwide, and Walmart, Amazon, etc do sell games.

[QUOTE="EndorphinMaster"]

This won't stop people from using VGC whenever it benefits their argument.

nervmeister

Um, I thought NPD leaves out certain big retailers, which would actually throw their numbers off...

Well, remember guys :

1. The NPD just represents a portion of UNITED STATES Sales
2. The NPD is NOT the entire United States.

The NPD is very limited, not even Walmart or Amazon are included, not to mention the Entire United States.

It's a very nice tool, but we need to realize it's limitations, including that games do sell worldwide, and Walmart, Amazon, etc do sell games.

SolidTy

And there you go.

Well, remember guys :

1. The NPD just represents a portion of UNITED STATES Sales
2. The NPD is NOT the entire United States.

The NPD is very limited, not even Walmart or Amazon are included, not to mention the Entire United States.

It's a very nice tool, but we need to realize it's limitations, including that games do sell worldwide, and Walmart, Amazon, etc do sell games.

SolidTy

Well, remember guys :

1. The NPD just represents a portion of UNITED STATES Sales
2. The NPD is NOT the entire United States.

The NPD is very limited, not even Walmart or Amazon are included, not to mention the Entire United States.

It's a very nice tool, but we need to realize it's limitations, including that games do sell worldwide, and Walmart, Amazon, etc do sell games.

SolidTy

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

Well, remember guys :

1. The NPD just represents a portion of UNITED STATES Sales
2. The NPD is NOT the entire United States.

The NPD is very limited, not even Walmart or Amazon are included, not to mention the Entire United States.

It's a very nice tool, but we need to realize it's limitations, including that games do sell worldwide, and Walmart, Amazon, etc do sell games.

blue_hazy_basic

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

Well, remember guys :

1. The NPD just represents a portion of UNITED STATES Sales
2. The NPD is NOT the entire United States.

The NPD is very limited, not even Walmart or Amazon are included, not to mention the Entire United States.

It's a very nice tool, but we need to realize it's limitations, including that games do sell worldwide, and Walmart, Amazon, etc do sell games.

Eddie-Vedder

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]They include estimates for those in their figures. If NPD is good enough for MS, Sony and Nintendo, its more than good enough for SW! Same can not be said for VGC...

blue_hazy_basic

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"] Estimates = guesstimates, same as VGC. And I've seen plenty of respectable sources use VGC so... If your going to discredit one, might as well discredit the other. I hate the whole SW sales game so I'm just going to discredit both.

This won't stop the cows from using VGC whenever it benefits their argument.

EndorphinMaster

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]They include estimates for those in their figures. If NPD is good enough for MS, Sony and Nintendo, its more than good enough for SW! Same can not be said for VGC...

blue_hazy_basic

[QUOTE="EndorphinMaster"]

This won't stop the cows from using VGC whenever it benefits their argument.

ZIMdoom

It's not just cows. ALL the fanboys seem to use VGC when it suits their needs.

you'll see me discredit them however the numbers come in. I just think SW gives NPD way to much credit.Eddie-Vedder

[QUOTE="EndorphinMaster"]

This won't stop the cows from using VGC whenever it benefits their argument.

It's not just cows. ALL the fanboys seem to use VGC when it suits their needs.

SEGA proved NPD is a joke. So both are a joke. I could also say VGC proves NPD is a joke. Neither of those are trustworthy.MrFanboy

[QUOTE="mythrol"][QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

It's not just cows. ALL the fanboys seem to use VGC when it suits their needs.

blue_hazy_basic

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

[QUOTE="EndorphinMaster"]

This won't stop the cows from using VGC whenever it benefits their argument.

mythrol

It's not just cows. ALL the fanboys seem to use VGC when it suits their needs.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="mythrol"] It's not just fanboys. Until we have something better, VGChartz is all we got for software sales WW. I'd love a more accurate source, but until then. We really have no choice in the matter.MrFanboy