New NX rumor (Eurogamer); portable/console hybrid, Tegra processor, etc.

my guess would be that the two detachable controllers mean that they are going for a local multiplayer focus, which is pretty awesome considering that handhelds have usually been about playing alone.

However, there was that thread that said that all Nintendo mobile phone games would be available on NX, which would require an internet connection and data I would think. If they include something like Pokemon Go in that, then it would need Google Maps and GPS

Still limited by hand held mobile form factor and NVIDIA is not the leader in this segment.

Please note that Digital Foundry is wrong with Tegra X1 being the fastest tablet chip i.e. Microsoft Surface Pro 4's Intel Core i7-6300U is the king.

NVIDIA CUDA 7.0 is available for NVIDIA Shield TV..

Finfet changes things.

In terms of geometry size, TSMC's 20 nm (for TX1) and 16 nm FinFET are similar.

The jump will be between 20 nm and 16 nm would less than 16 nm and 28 nm.

So would it possibly be more expensive to take the current X1 and simply move it to 16nm vs just using the X2?

Lol @ The creepy Nintendo man children. Last year when I told them that this thing was going to be a shitty handheld they insisted that I was wrong and that NX was going to be more powerful then a NASA super computer. Now these bums are trying to front like they're all excited to be stuck playing mobile trash and 360 ports for yet another 5 years.

you're dumb. Try not to OD on Monster Energy Drinks

So if it ends up using the Nvidia Tegra X1 then wouldn't both versions of Zelda: Breath of the Wild be looking the same?

Hmm didn't Nintendo say the NX version will have better visuals? Maybe they mean only a minor difference.

If Nintendo really is using a Tegra chip, then at least give developers better API access like Vulkan.

Curious to see how this Nintendo NX will compete with the PlayStation 4. Since PS4 is king of video games right now, that is where the bar is set, that is were majority of the players are. Nintendo will have to tap into their 3DS support base for sure. It would be nice to see Nintendo pull into 2nd place with the NX device. No telling what Nintendo will do to take gamers from PlayStation and move them over to the Nintendo side.

NVIDIA needs to lower TX1's 20 watts power consumption towards 5 watts

There's missing info with Eurogamer's rumor.

@ronvalencia: any idea what the wattage drop would be by converting the X1 to use 16nm FF compared to using an X2 at 16nm?

depending on the form factor of the device it may need to also go even lower than 5W. the battery will have to power the SOC, wireless, the screen(s) (i dont think itll be dual screen though) speakers and other bits n bobs. i wonder how they will get it down?

it's okay to point out that eurogamer were wrong about Nvidia in the 3DS, but otherwise of course there is missing info. They don't have the device. They are claiming they have sources. I doubt they are just making that up. I read that source of Eurogamer's claims about the 3DS and they didn't say they had a source. It sounds like they made a bad assumption around the name. As for the Blunty video, we discussed that already, and I don't see his points as particularly strong. Just because there is some mention of ideas we're heard before doesn't mean they are wrong. Maybe there is some syncronicity because there are good sources mixed in with the fake. We can't know, but Eurogamer is a best source we've had on this so far to my knowledge. They are a source that very likely cares at least somewhat about their reputation.

Shield TV(TX1)'s 20 watts power consumption was too high for 8-to-9 inch tablets hence why HTC Nexus 9 has TK1.

From http://wccftech.com/nvidia-tegra-k1-performance-power-consumption-revealed-xiaomi-mipad-ship-32bit-64bit-denver-powered-chips/

TEST2 : CUDA Smoke particle demo

• Power Measurements:
• Base : 0.62A ( 7.53W)
• Peak : 0.91A (11.06W)
• Observed Avg. : 0.88A (10.69W)

• Avg. Less Fan : 0.81A ( 9.85W)
• Avg. Less Sys : 0.71A ( 8.26W)

This is for the entire tablet system.

Single Precision Peak: 326 GFLOPS

Single Precision SGEMM: 290 GFLOPS

1 to 5 watts is for candy-bar size smart phones.

For comparison, Intel Atom Processor Z3740D SoC for Dell Venue 8 Pro (8 inch tablet) has a typical Scenario Design Power (SDP) of 2.2 watts.

The current Tegra X1's power consumption is too high for 8 inch tablets.

Using the same Xiaomi-Mipad/TK1's power consumption profile, the shift from 28 nm to 16 nm FinFET could yield 2X TK1 i.e. a 384 CUDA processor solution which is effectively close to 20 nm TX1's 256 CUDA core count (512 GFLOPS 32 bit).

You are looking at NX solution around 500 GFLOPS, if they keep Xiaomi-Mipad's power consumption profile.

If Nintendo aims for 3DS's ~4 watts power consumption profile.... perhaps 250 GFLOPS solution.

NVIDIA couldn't battle Qualcomm or Apple on premium low system power and perf/watt price, hence NVIDIA is playing the "AMD role" against Qualcomm or Apple.

NVIDIA is not transparent with their Tegra power consumption.

Well technically the Tegra X1 is more powerful than the Wii U. I of course hope it's the X2 tho.

The NX will eventually have multiple devices. Nintendo said this.

If a gen 9 system isn't as powerful as a gen 8 system it might as well be a gen 8 system or a gen 8.5 system or whatever it is. It wouldn't deserve to be called a gen 9 system.

If the NX is weaker than the XB1 it won't get the multiplatform 3rd party support and I will pass on the NX that's all. It won't be my problem.

@GameboyTroy: But Breath of the Wild?

@GameboyTroy:

I think what Nintendo meant when they said multiple devices is more like multiple input methods, like the wiiu and wii did. It's looking like a couple of Link's items in Breath of the Wild will be a couple of those. He has a tablet, which will likely be what the NX looks like roughly (sean malstrom pointed this out), and he also has a magnet item, which roughly coincides with a patent for a controller that Nintendo made a while back that could be used as a wheel/gun. Link seems to aim with the magnet item so it seems plausible.

this article shows the U controller patent

@GameboyTroy: Totally agree Coolyfett has been saying for a long time Wii was a gen 6 system with PS2 and GameCube. Wii U was gen 7 with PS3 and 360 and NX will compete with PS4 and XB1. Nintendo has been behind for a while now.

Passing on the NX means that I'm passing on that too.

If these rumors are even remotely true...then who is buying this fucking thing outside of the handful of Nintendo faithful?

Yep, I agree! Master Malstrom is very knowledgeable! @GameboyTroy Now you learn your lesson in listening to fanboy Nintendo sites as it gave you false hope of the NX, come join me and GunSmith1_basic's flock as disciples of Sean Malstrom

Who is Sean Malstrom? I'll take what Nintendo says over him.

Only, the greatest prophet of the entire gaming industry! He knew when Nintendo would be a success or a train wreck, and he's been right many times. So far he's only waiting for more info on the NX if Nintendo will rise to Heaven, or burn in Hell next year.

Shitty Handheld?

Nintendo's handhelds generally have some of the best games of any generation. The 3DS is a very good example of this, as is the GBA.

So, why would this system suddenly be bad? And if by Mobile trash, you mean Smash Bros, Fire Emblem, and Mario on the go, then I'm all in.

If the NX really is a handheld and the successor to the 3DS, then we can pretty much count on Japan to carry the system alone.

Especially since Sony has admitted defeat in the handheld market.

This is what people don't get. All the rumors don't point to a home console you can take on the goal. All the rumors point to a handheld system that can be plugged into a TV.

In other words, this will be Nintendo's newest handheld. A market that they have been the king of since 1989 with the Game Boy. A market that even the likes of Sony, Sega, and Atari failed to dethrone them.

Unless Nintendo loses their mind, I don't see this thing flopping.

People tend to forget that Nintendo's problems with getting third-party support has never really applied to their handhelds.

The 3DS got tons of third-party support while the Wii U got next to nothing.

So, if the NX is a handheld first, then why would it be any different? Unless they fumble the ball, they pretty much have Japan in their pocket. Monster Hunter and Yokai Watch will almost certainly being on the NX, and Dragon Quest has pretty much been Nintendo exclusive for the past decade.

So, they will get three of the biggest and best selling IPs that sold the 3DS. From the looks of it, Sony will not have a new handheld to replace the Vita, so where will these franchises go? Monster Hunter has always been more successful on handhelds, Yokai Watch was born on handhelds, and most Dragon Quest's recent games have been on handhelds.

The challenge for Nintendo is to get western third-parties interested in the NX. And I think if it has enough power under the hood, it might get them involved.

What does he think of the NX?

@GameboyTroy: so far, he thinks it maybe a hit