New NX rumor (Eurogamer); portable/console hybrid, Tegra processor, etc.

Power will matter when it comes to ports. Third Parties aren't focusing on PS3/360 anymore, so its gonna be asking a lot to have them start porting their games on a device that is a lot less powerful than the competition.

Also, this seems very bulky for a handheld unless it doubles as a full fledged tablet.

Not a bad idea after all. I was pessimistic up until now. Seeing as their handhelds are Nintendo 's stronger market, the NX would simplify its resources as one, consolidating game development more feasibly and efficiently which means, as many here have been saying, more games, more exclusives, but this time NO more droughts.

As for 3rd Party support, I'm not expecting top tier AAA budget games on their lineup, it's just not going to happen, especially if they decide to use 32GB Carts. What we should expect are 3rd party exclusives that cater to the NX hardware, unique to that hardware.

You don't want them to make a handheld that plugs in to the tv? You want a console like what Sony and Microsoft already does? You are complaining about that direction. If you aren't implying that, then clear up your complaints.

The market already has Sony and Microsoft for third party Western multiplats, and it has PC. Why can't Nintendo be different and expand the handheld market and make it work as a console as well? What's so wrong about doing things differently?

The potential market for something different like this is unlimited. Traditional handheld fans, and smart phone fans might jump all over something like this. It could revolutionize the handheld market, and bring different kinds of games to the masses. And as long as it's in the ball park of power of PS4 and XB1, I don't know why anyone would complain about it.

People should definitely wait for more info before jumping on the "It will revolutionize the market!" or the "It will be a floppity flop!" bandwagons.

I myself have some fears, but outside of (possible) specs we don't know anything else really. Could be awesome, could be awful, we need a lot more than specs to judge that.

I'm totally down with a hybrid system. And no, I don't care if it results in the NX not being PS4/Xbone tier. It's not like the Wii U being graphically weaker stopped it from having amazing looking games like Yoshi's Woolly World, or games filled with great amounts of content like Xenoblade Chronicles X. I'm sure the same could be said for the NX, if it does end up not being a powerhouse graphically.

Hell, Nintendo's third party issues might not even be as big of an issue if they go the hybrid route, since Nintendo would, theoretically, have much more time to focus putting all their first party efforts into one system as opposed to splitting between two, and like the Wii U, he NX would probably also still get some third party support, whether it be from Japanese devs, indies, maybe a tiny amount from the West here and there.

This would be a convergence of those two lines. Kind of like how Windows 9X and NT converged to Windows XP.

I said it "could" revolutionize the market. I really hope this is true, because Nintendo focusing on one system instead of multiple markets would be ideal imo.

Much better than a streaming device I feared might happen, or another under powered "traditional" console like Wii and Wii U. For years now, I've felt like Nintendo should focus on handhelds, and being a hybrid sounds even better, if true. *crosses fingers*

@Bigboi500: The problems with the Wii and WiiU, both the "good and bad" ones, were that neither were any sort of "traditional" home console.

They tried some gimmicks, one which worked wonderfully and another that failed miserably. Simple as that. Oh, marketing too. Ninty better get marketing right this time around.

People complained about how weak the Wii U was and how it got no third party support as a result. It's a legitimate complaint, specially if you're a big fan of Nintendo's own first party games. Why you should you have to constantly put up with massively subpar graphics and long droughts in releases because Nintendo showed zero ambition with the hardware? And maybe Sony and MS would be both be looking over their shoulders if Nintendo had delivered hardware on a par with their own which also had many great Nintendo exclusives. PS4 would have nothing like the lead it has now.

So now they try again but again also seem to be taking several steps backwards. Well... it wouldn't be so bad if they didn't massively overcharge for junk hardware at least in that scenario people wouldn't mind shelling out for a console just to play Nintendo games and nothing else.

I'm voicing my own opinion you don't have to agree with it but sadly for you as the forum is open to all you'll just have to live with it.

It's going to have enough games even without ports if the scenario described above comes to pass. And anyway, we know this thing can run Dragon Quest 11, which is a PS4 game, so it doesn't sound like there'll be much of a problem.

Sorry, but if true this doesn't work for me.

Aside from Pokemon (and the 3DS virtual console), I've stopped playing handheld games. I also never take a handheld outside, because lets be honest, someone in there late 20's playing a handheld console, looks like an idiot. You can maybe get away with it on a plane, but any other public place? No.

At that point, what the hell am I paying for? They claim it's expensive. I'm not paying $200+ for a console that's weaker than the X1, just because it has features I'll never use.

There is talk however about this just been one option. That this is the "handheld" NX but also has the option to connect to the TV, and that a rumored 3TF NX also exists and that is a dedicated home console with no portable element. However, as much as I'd love for this to be the case, I'm thinking it more likely that it's just other people like me who really wants a powerful dedicated home console from Nintendo coming up with ideas to grab onto because they can't accept that this is the reality.

Regardless, it looks like I'm gonna need to find myself a new hobby. PS4 and X1 are boring systems, handhelds don't hold my attention, I've never liked PC gaming (outside of one or two games). I was really holding out for Nintendo to announce something incredible here, something that would hook me, but this idea is simply not it.

@spike6958: In the worst case, you don't take your handheld outside, spend $300 and use it as a home console, and get to play top of the line Nintendo games like Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, Smash, Kart, Splatoon, and the like- I'm assuming that it's the games you care for, not the actual hardware, so if the NX gets some good Nintendo support, and doesn't cost an obscenely high amount like $499, then why does the form factor even matter, especially since the form factor is convertible?

It doesn't solve the problem they currently face; they need a competitive home console. How is it going to be competitive? That's beyond me. A "blue ocean" approach like the Wii, accompanied by the infrastructure and support similar to that of Nintendo's rivals would be my suggestion.

I do not see a portable console being the answer to the living room - it's that simple. Will a handheld based on the aforementioned information be great? I have no doubt it will be great - just like every Nintendo handheld before it. Nintendo does amazing things with those handhelds.

But Nintendo is not going to revitalize their home console market share with a handheld device that hooks up to your TV like iPad's, Surface Tablets, phones, etc. already do.

They need a dedicated home console, at least in my opinion. Having a [proposed] underpowered console is not going to help the situation either. Given that, if this were to fail, that would be two colossal failures in a row - the Wii U being the first.

At that point, Nintendo would have to, say in 5 years (standard life span), either (a) introduce a new home console or (b) forego the home console market and (cringe) go third party.

I also fail to see how this will get back the casual crowd.

President of Ubisoft Yves Guillemot seems convinced that this device will get back the Wii crowd, but I just don't personally see it.

I'm incredibly disappointed. They could have went with Polaris 11 and made a respectable little console for $199. It wouldn't have been world beating, but it would have been respectable. Instead we get a weak hybrid that will struggle to get 3rd party support. I don't like it.

If what's available for handhelds isn't your cup of tea, that's fine, man.

But afraid of what other people think of you for playing a gaming device in public? Why the hell should you care? It's your free time to burn however you wish, no different than the masses who spend their time retweeting memes or liking posts on Facebook through their phones.

It needs third party games that are actually relevant. You know like GTA, Battlefield, Mass Effect, COD, Fifa, etc....

Millions aren't going to purchase an NX because Dragon Quest 11 is on it.

This is the Wii U all over again, just reversed. I don't care about gaming on the go, I just want a very powerful Nintendo console for my home. This looks to be maybe 2x the Wii U at best in terms of horsepower.

Who is this product even for? Seems too bulky for true mobile gaming and too weak/limited for a dedicated primary home console.

It doesn't need those games because it is literally not competing for the same market, it is being made on the predication that a market exists for an alternate gaming ecosystem, full of Nintendo's own games, Japanese third party games, and the kinds of third party games that Nintendo handhelds used to get, and it is marketing that ecosystem at a cheap and compelling proposition where ONE system gets you access to it, instead of you having to purchase two expensive ones to get the same effect.

Well, at this point we enter speculative territory. I argue that a system with Nintendo's first party games from handhelds, Nintendo's first party games from consoles, Nintendo's third party games from handhelds, Japanese third party games, and a few western third party games, will be a compelling enough proposition to be able to appeal to a larger market.

We'll see how this thing goes.

In Japan they are. And I know it's hard to remember at times, but the home market is very important to a Japanese company like Nintendo.

@charizard1605: Because it still feels like a waste of money. Yes it's the games I want, but the majority of the cost from the console is going to come from the fact it's a handheld. Especially when the basic X1 is down to just $250, and will probably drop again to $199, by the time the X1S is out this holiday.

I'm sorry, but as good as Nintendo's games are, I'm not buying a console that's less powerful than the X1, and potentially costs almost double the price.

The only way I'd buy this is if they offer multiple versions, and it'd be one of the non-hybrid versions i'd get...

1. The one mentioned here that'll be a Hybrid ($300-$400)
2. One that's the same specs as the hybrid, but doesn't have the portable option and is therefore much cheaper (like $199-$250).
   
3. One that's the same price as the Hybrid version, but also isn't portable and instead is in the NEO-Scorpio power range.

Dragon Quest isn't that popular anymore the last Dragon Quest games sold about 1 million total.

Okay, what if the machine mentioned here sells for $299? Is that still too high for it?

@emgesp:
Find me exact numbers of the sales of Dragon Quest IX and X to back this claim up. Those were the last major releases of the series, not sub-par spin-offs like Heroes.

@blueinheaven: There's no reason to get upset. I'm only saying you want something other than what this rumor is saying they are doing. Nothing wrong with that. Yes, they don't get many Western third party games, but their handhelds get the best Eastern third party support of any system, console or handheld.

All I'm saying is I think it's silly to expect Nintendo to compete for the same market that both Sony and Microsoft fight for. I also think most gamers already own one or both PS4 and XB1, so making NX exactly like them seems excessive and redundant. On the other hand, making a handheld that is almost as powerful as the current console generation, and allowing it to connect to your HDTV seems like a brilliant idea to me.

Wat

Dragon Quest 9 is the highest selling game in the series, and that was the last Dragon Quest game. Where are you even getting that from?

I personally don't understand why they aren't just making a dedicated handheld and a dedicated home console instead of this Frankenstein garbage.

The form factor makes this less portable and the weak hardware makes this less appealing as a standalone primary home console.

Nintendo have really run out of ideas at this point. It is literally the Wii U concept backwards.

Exactly, there's literally no point in trying to have the same library as every other system when that market and dev group has shown they have no interest in developing for you. They're playing to their strengths but people want and Xbox/PS4 clone

Latest figures I can find sit at 5.3 million.

In other news: How did I miss that game?

@charizard1605:

I was looking at Dragon Quest Vll for 3DS.

Yeah, that makes it the bestselling game of the series lol. Hell, even the Dragon Quest 7 and 8 remakes on 3DS sold over a million each. Not to mention that all of this detracts from the original point I made when I brought up DQ11, which was to point out that the NX seems to be capable of running PS4 games.

Anyway, you should definitely play DQ9! It's a really cool and charming game, and it's something that can be picked up and played as and when you want, I literally took a break of a few years from it for a while, but when I went back to it, I could get back into it immediately. It's a great game.

That's a remake, and it's only available in Japan...

@charizard1605: For me personally? Yes.

Again, it's weaker than X1. X1 is 4 years old and is down to $250, and as I said it'll likely reach $199 this holiday. I simply can't see past the fact that the extra cost is coming from something I don't want and won't use. That is the definition of wasted money.

If Nintendo wants me to buy this, then either the hybrid itself has to be the same price as X1, or offer a version with the same specs but without the handheld elements for a much cheaper price than the hybrid.

@charizard1605: I stand corrected.


Anyways, this Frankenstein of a console better be cheap.

That's fine, you have your reasons then, lol. I suppose Nintendo's hope will be that the NX will have so many must have games that people like you are pulled on board regardless :P

No worries lol. I've made worse gaffes :p

Playing to their strengths is exactly what Nintendo needs to do. I know that just like me, a lot of gamers love Nintendo handhelds more than any competition available. We also own Nintendo consoles, but for many years now, we prefer Sony or Microsoft in that arena.

I dunno, but I feel like no matter how powerful Nintendo could make a console, developers like Bethesda and Rockstar would never put their games on it.

Even the competition doesn't seem content with their current power levels in the grand scheme of the industry, so how exactly could Nintendo compete with bi-annual power and version upgrades?

So yes, please focus on what you do best Nintendo, handhelds.

Yeah. The 3DS was my primary Nintendo system this generation, not Wii U. So basically projecting their handhelds onto the console market is, I think, the most sensible move Nintendo could have made. Making a traditional console simply would not have worked, they would never have been able to compete, and it would have been a catastrophically expensive failure on all fronts.

This is good. I like this idea. One system for all Nintendo games? Sign me up.

If this is actually a hybrid, then i'd be seriously tempted to grab DQ11 on the NX. Even if it ended up looking mildly better on PS4.

I'll try and grab it off Ebay. It's sitting around $20, which is killer. Thanks for the recommendation.

@charizard1605: *high five* mother fucker! Nintendo handhelds 4LIFE.

Man, poor Nintendo; they're damned if they do and damned if they don't. They can never satisfy some. I somewhat relish the idea of latter ipad caliber visuals or better on a dedicated handheld with software made by those that understand mobile/handheld better than most. I have little interest in the TV connectivity, i see it as a much stronger replacement to the 3ds which i enjoy much. If they stay under $250 people would buy it, hell if they make it $200 it will be sold out for the duration of its holiday release window and well into early spring.

It sounds good to me. Depending on price will buy it.

Next rumor: The NX is an AR projector running two GTX 1080 chips in SLI that fits in your pocket!

What does this even mean anymore? Scorpio games arent going to look 10x better nor be 10x more fun to play.

I don't know what made you think I'm upset. A little disappointed maybe but it starts and stops there. I know what your point is and you may well be over the moon that Nintendo are pointedly stepping out of the videogame rat race and just disappearing into their own little hole releasing the same first party titles over and over but many disgruntled Wii U owners will disagree and won't be fooled a second time.

Plus based on this, NX is a handheld. From these specs its a BEAST of a handheld, silly to expect that to be the same as what will be a large heavy console when the specs aren't as big of a deal first party and the types of third party games handhelds get.

Whatever they come out with is going to end up looking really nice on my TV just like every Wii U game Nintendo came out it.

The one positive take away from these leaks.

@emgesp: I think that matters a lot, though.

I mean, I'm really only thinking in terms of launch, maybe when it drops in price to what I feel is more reasonable, I'd consider picking it up. Otherwise it'd would have to have an INCREDIBLE line up of launch games for me to change my mind on this one.

And the thing is, nothing announced for NX yet is a system seller to me.

• Zelda? I already own a Wii U.
• Sonic 2017? I already own a PS4, and PC.
• Just Dance? Ha, ha, no.
• Rumored Smash 4 port? I already own it on Wii U.

I mean, if they could work it so that they had something a game from each of there major IP's then I'd maybe bite the bullet, but that won't happen. Hell the games that'd really make it hard for me to resist it like Metroid Prime 4, probably won't even happen at all.

It's not going to get ports. The entire idea behind this is that Nintendo has given up and realized that they'll need to support hardware without third-parties; as a result, they've gone down to a single platform so they can put out a lot more games. This will get stronger first-party support than any system ever made.

Unfortunately, it'll be lucky to sell 40 million units for that same reason.