New NX rumor (Eurogamer); portable/console hybrid, Tegra processor, etc.

The hardware is the compromise.

@bunchanumbers said:

Saddest news ever if true. It'll be the first time I don't buy a Nintendo console. Worst part is that the twins aren't even that powerful.

Sadly, i'm with you on this one...i honestly don't care if it is truly an hybrid...i actually think is a cool idea, but if the console is far less powerful than the PS4 let alone the NEO..then i will pass, it will be indeed the first Nintendo main console i don't buy.

I dont believe the rumor, Nintendo stated NX is no hybrid. Emily Rogers is also wrong all the time. Same as all these people, they predict 1000 things and hope to get one right. What is this, her 3rd or 5th NX prediction this year?

If it's the Tegra X1 they've lost their minds.

Why is nintendo the only one of the big 3 who innovate and push the industry forward?

I always wanted my console on the go, I don't like be chained to my TV I love my smart phone more than my tv right now. Nintendo has the right idea once again.

I bet next gen microsoft and sony are going to try to copy and steal all of ninty's work once again just like the kinect and move just stop it iNNOVATE your own company do your own thing sony and microsoft do your own things.

I can see it now "Sony NX - we are handheld and a console too....if it were up to sony we would be playing NES sitting in front of a tube television listening to walkmans nintendo is the one pushing the industry forward these just copy whatever they do.

This all needs to stop INNOVATE yourself innovate your own product stop copying nintendo and move on with your lives cancel the kinect cancel the move think of your own stuff and do your own thing.

So it is a 3DS you can connect to the TV? This sounds bad

@ProtossRushX: Nintendo isn't pushing the industry forward, they are dragging themselves down.

It has already been done, Nintendo isn't innovating here.

PS4/Vita has remote play.

The Nomad was a portable Genesis.

The Neo Geo Gold is a portable system with a TV dock.

Can someone explain to me why are you guys FREAKING out with this news? The main thing is to get all 3rd party games into NX ASAP and that's all we need to know. As long as the NX makes it easier to do, then that's good enough for me. It's almost as if you guys hating the whole handheld hybrid idea.

It's possible they could use the Tegra X2.

Yes. Those consoles are not in any way "traditional" but more like wanna be PCs. You already have two systems for that, and a PC that shares all those games.

A hybrid console/handheld sounds like a terrific idea. A true Nintendo fan would NEVER want them to be just like Sony or Microsoft. PERIOD

@bunchanumbers: as long as Nintendo makes a console powerful enough to stay in the xone/ps4 range they're fine in my book.

No offense, but 5gb games having been kicking 50gb games ass for years now in terms of quality experiences. . Show me the need for more powerful hardware from a game design perspective and Nintendo should feel pressed to keep up with the tippedy top tier hardware.

A console handheld hybrid with the entire archive of Nintendo games? Good god where does one sign up for one of these? With small studios releasing games regularly like the vita. It would be glorious.

Makes sense I guess. Rather than making another mediocre console, they are making "the best handheld in the world". After the VITA fiasco Sony will let them have monopoly in this space (well besides phones lol). Not sure how it stacks up to vanilla X1/Ps4 (probably a fair bit less powerful), but if they can get some third party support (at least indies and stuff like say FIFA) they'll be fine with all their Ninty stuff now being on a single platform instead of split across two.

With Pokemon Go being a massive hit one wonders if they will market it like the worlds first AR console? Find heartipieces for Breath of the Wild in your local park. The possibilities for gimmicks are endless :)!

Sounds like the wii u with a much longer range?

But its not even keeping in that range. Its barely above Wii U range. 3rd party won't touch it. And where is it mentioned that it will have the entire archive? Wii U is already out. At this rate we can expect fewer droughts and thats it.

People are talking about power/graphics and I'm sitting over here playing Dreamcast and GBA games lol.

Anyway I'd probably be game for this, Nintendo could hopefully release a 1st party game or two for it every month. Pokemon on a console and handheld would be a dream. Problem is there is not as much potential profit to be made if they're only selling one device- not two.

I like this. I'd prefer a less powerful console/handheld hybrid over a more powerful NX console with a separate handheld. When I want power, I'll have the Xbox Scorpio for that and most of the games that I love from Nintendo aren't the type of games that benefit much from a lot of power anyway.

The biggest benefit of the console/handheld hybrid is that it means that the NX will have more games, and not just more games, but more exclusive games. First of all, Nintendo won't have to split their resources between two different systems, so just imagine a console that had all of the games that Nintendo released for the Wii U plus all of the games that Nintendo released for the 3DS; that's a hell of an impressive game library and that's the kind of game library that Nintendo will be able to deliver on one system when they don't have to split their resources. Secondly, as for as 3rd party support goes, I actually think a less powerful console/handheld hybrid will have more 3rd party support than if Nintendo just tried to make a console on par with PS4/Xbox since Nintendo's handhelds have always enjoyed great 3rd party support despite being significantly weaker than consoles so that means the hybrid NX console should get the same great 3rd party support that Nintendo's handhelds have always received. Plus, the 3rd party support won't just be PS4/Xbox ports like it otherwise would be, it will be exclusive 3rd party games just like Nintendo has always received on their handheld devices.

I truly believe that this is the best move Nintendo could make. They can't be successful trying to compete directly with Playstation and Xbox, so it's better to do something like this which capitalizes on their strength in the portable market, lets them focus all of their resources on one system which will help them deliver more exclusives to entice gamers to buy the system and solve the game drought problem that Nintendo consoles have, solves the lack of 3rd party problem that Nintendo consoles always have by bringing the 3rd party support that they get on their handhelds, and offers the really cool feature of being able to play any NX game on your big screen TV and then also take it on the go which will be very appealing to a lot of people and is a feature that the other consoles won't have.

I'm more interested than I was in Wii U if this is true. I like the idea of something I can flexibly play on the TV, then carry into bedroom and play in bed if sick, take on the train or plane... flexible, fun, easy. I'm not too bent out of shape about the power, although it does spell bad news for hopes of shared 3rd party releases with the Sony+MS offerings. It doesn't mean there won't be 3rd party games, but it would almost guarantee they won't be "the" games everyone is buying on Steam/PSN/XBL that summer

And this is supposed to be more powerful than the already underpowered Xbone?

It makes sense, their home consoles have seen market share shrinkage even since the N64, while their handheld systems have always pushed beyond expectations and gained tremendously. Nintendo is the dedicated handheld market these days, it's about time they capitalize on their strength, stop splitting their development process across two systems, and go all out.

I don't even know why people complain. This is your fault. Their home consoles have been a commercial failure for 20 fucking years.

I didn't forget the Wii. But i have to acknowledge the fact that its success was intertwined with Wii Sports. Sales attributed to an audience that has long since moved to tablets, smartphones and the next.

Cant wait for the SuperMetalDave damage control videos LoL

nintendo is releasing yet another underpowered and gimmicky console

shocking!

@bunchanumbers: it doesn't say there will be an archive but one can be certainly sure there will be an eshop with a good chunk of the archive.

I didn't realize it was only a little stronger than a wiiu... Is that true?

it has been a commercial failure because they fail to innovate.

The wii sold most last gen though.

Third party support will be awful. They should have made it as powerful as the PS4, but this is just a rumor by the way.

Third party support for their handhelds has been great, what makes you think that will change?

Personal purchase reasons aside, statistics tell a absolute truth, and that is that their market share has been dwindling ever since the N64. Which each new console aimed at core gamers, their sales have plummeted.

The Wii took advantage of an untapped market that later moved on. Right now, that market is all over Pokemon Go, it's the casual market, a fickle market that moves on quickly to the new, best trendy thing.

If its Tegra, yes. Not even half of the X1 as far as power goes.

You're obviously getting "freaking out" and "resignation" mixed up.

I do. I don't want my toaster to heat soup, I don't want my laptop to make coffee and I don't want to play handheld games on my TV.

I will get it anyway because I'm a fool and like to buy new systems. But I can't say that those rumors cause any excitement.

Except it wouldn't be a clone. With a powerful console and Nintendo exclusives, that console may render the other 2 completely optional (if 3rd party is supporting it of course). Instead, a Nintendo console is NEVER the primary console but always a secondary one. Why Nintendo doesn't want to change that? They absolutely can if they wanted......... Dumbass Nintendo.

The tegra is less powerful than a wiiU though isn't it?

The 3DS is as powerful as a tegra too right?

This version of the Tegra (the one the article/rumour mentions) is, at optimal conditions, well bellow what the PS4 + XB1 achieve. According to the info @scrollinglayers posted:

Tegra X1 is 512 GFlops max (Nvidia Shield TV) and somewhat less when in a mobile device (Google Pixel C tablet). Maxwell architecture.

PS4 is 1,840 GFlops (1.84 TFlop) (AMD GCN 1.x

Xbox One is 1,310 GFlops (1.31 TFlop) AMD GCN 1.x

It's expected the new version of Tegra (which is/was supposed to release this year) will improve on this and that would likely put things on a slightly more even playing field (though it's doubtful it would outright match even the XB1).

When you consider the PS4 Neo and Xbox Scorpio will be a massive jump to 4.2 Tflops and 6Tflops respectively+ the fact that Tegra uses a non-x86 architecture and thus ports won't be a "copy paste" thing... well, lets just say that the 3rd party game scene probably wont change all that much from the Wii/WiiU days.

At first glance of course. If this thing sells like hotcakes I'm sure 3rd parties would happily eat the "cost" of porting stuff to it. Plus there is more to the console market than raw power as the Wii and PS2 proved, for example.

Sheep are hiding behind the notion that the other 2 consoles are the same, it gives them inner peace. Nintendo is losing the freaking minds with this.

I agree, there is a lot of disconnect with larger reality on this forum, and we are seeing it in full display right now.

There's no disconnect, we just don't like what we and then there is ones that do. Opinions differ, but my tone may change when I see more.

commercial is commercial, the wii was a commercial succes. I don't think they made losses on the n64 and gamecube either but you can't call them a success either.

the wii u is actually the only commercial failure they had.

Only two more months, and we'll know.

I do want to talk about one thing: 32GB wouldn't be large but it wouldn't be all that small either. It does not mean that a game can't use 2x 32GB cartridges if it really needs to, and I have hardly played any PC game (which includes multiple levels of textures and everything) that installs for over 32GB. Console games are much larger than PC games and NX games won't need to be larger than PC games if it uses cartridges. (There is no slow read speed so no need for installs either, probably.)

Do you think 32GB would be too small?

Now lets look at the bright side. What if the rumored specs are for the handheld, a handheld you can connect to the main system with 5tflops of juice and use the handheld as a controller when plugged to your tv/monitor? That way you'd have a powerful home console and very powerful handheld. But what the **** i'm saying... this is Nintendo, they will reach 5tflops in 2030 the soonest.

The concept? Cool as hell.

The hardware, assuming this is a more or less legit leak? Likely not the greatest for it.

I mean, it feels like we won't get the best of either world. Powerful handheld, maybe, but dragged down by size, weight, battery capacity, power consumption and even cooling requirements. In between the WiiU and the XB1 as far as the home console capability goes, again limited by the handheld functionality threshold.

I think they are aiming for a Wii-like price, which sorta makes sense, but this hardware makes it seem devs will have to compromise hard, especially 3rd parties not affiliated to Nintendo already.

Again, this is under the assumption this a legit leak (which so far I'd say it is, even if the final product is slightly different).

Anyway, can't do much more than speculate for now I guess. Bring on those Directs Ninty!

All of Nintendo's first party games on one platform sounds great to me.

This is how you'll carry your new Ninty console:

Eurogamer are speculating that the X1 chip is a placeholder and the final unit will have the X2.

I love my Xbox One, and the HD twins are basically the same, swing and a miss!

@charizard1605: The X2 will still likely be weaker than the PS4/XB1. Power consumption may be a lot better though, and that in and of itself would be a VERY BIG plus, especially for the handheld side of things.

Chip makers have been improving their power consumption over the last 10-5 years. Heck, the new 1060 and 480 are living proof of it.

But again, until Ninty shows us how it all works or doesn't work we can't do much more than speculate I suppose.

Swing? yes. Miss? Look at the PS4 sales numbers... no such thing as a "miss". Could be the same for Nintendo. Hell, it could be even better for Nintendo since their exclusives sell more and are much more recognized.

What's that? Oh I see now.

What type of price will we get out of this?

@TheEroica: @bunchanumbers: @silversix_: @flyincloud1116:

It can be weaker than the PS4 and Xbox One, definitely. I have no delusions about the NX going toe to toe with the PS4 and Xbox One- but it can provide something different, and an equally compelling alternate ecosystem to invest in, if nothing else. Between Nintendo's handheld third party support, Japanese third party support, some western third party support, and consolidated Nintendo first party support, the NX should have more than enough games to justify a purchase in addition to a PS4 or an Xbox One, whichever one you do go for.

That, plus the notion of a consolidated Nintendo first party- them not having to spread their resources across two platforms, getting a great Nintendo game every month, being able to play Pokemon on the big screen at home and being able to play Zelda on the go- is on the whole so exciting, that that, plus the sheer influx of games the scenario as described would entail, is enough to get me on board for now.

@silversix_: Again, anyone thinking third parties are going to jump on board just because of more powerful hardware (or that it would sell even if they did) is deluded, and then no one will buy an expensive nintendo box just because the first party games look prettier than they did before. The merits of why the PS4 have sold more have been debated to death and are well outlined so no point touching on that, gamewise the libraries are highly redundant, no reason for a third system to do the same thing.

When i was calling NX an hybrid who was telling me thats not true ? Hohoho , my fuking CRYSTAL BALL , as shiny as ever.

And the rumors for cartridges ended up also being true ? Omfg , now what is left is hardware specs and we gonna know in some extend if this is worthwile or just another typical Wii style console.

But , really ? Cartridges and you sheep want 3rd party support to jump on ? /Facepalm !! Lets hope it will deliver hardware spec wise , lets all pray.