New PC prices to stop all "PC is expensive" argument.

The 360 and the PS3 are real things that you can buy in a store right now.  XSOS 3.0 at this point in time is VAPOR!  It is totally unfair for the TC to have that in his comparison.  At least put the cost of an OEM version of Windows XP Home in the total if you want to do an apples to apples comparison.  Also, most pc gamers aren't going to invest the time to get up and running on some hack Linux OS.  Xbox 360/PS3---> pop the disk in and play.  PC ---> install, patch, configure, play.  How much is your time worth?  Also, I will say this again:  Yes, you can put together a modest gaming pc & run pc games that are 1+ years old.  I pulled the following from gamespot's Rainbow 6:  Vegas review:

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Rainbow Six Vegas sports some excellent graphics, and the PC version looks just as good as the Xbox 360 version--it's even slightly better in some places. The downside is your frame rate will vary depending on your hardware, and you'll obviously need a fairly powerful system to run it at high detail with fast frame rates. Those with older and slower systems should think about upgrading or simply playing the Xbox 360 version.

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With the PS3 and the 360, you can take a new release right off the store shelves, pop it into your console, and start playing.  You are in denial if you think that you can put together a $600 pc system and play a brand new 3D game without bumping the settings down until it looks nothing like the screenshots on the box.  Also, some people make building a pc sound so easy.  Any one of the parts that you order(even from egghead) could wind up dead on arrival.  Also, stuff can go wrong when assembling a pc if you aren't careful.  It's not like you get all the parts out of the boxes & throw the thing together in 5 minutes.  Also, one more thing.  TIGER DIRECT IS EVIL!!!!!  Use newegg.com if you are building a system.

[QUOTE="Billyhyw"]

[QUOTE="muscleserge"]PC parts droped in prices recently and thus shifting the price/performance ratio to PC. Here is the PC. AMD64 x2 3800 - $110 Mobo AM2 - $50 1gb ddr533 ram - $70 160GB HDD - $50 Geforce 7900GS OC(550/1400) 512mb - $190 Case and PSU - $30 XSOS v3.0 - free KB/M - $30 Total - $530 I didn't include a moniter because non of the console come with one, and you can hook that PC up to ANY TV. Note that this PC has a larger HDD, 3x more ram than iether 360 or PS3. This PC will play every PC game out now and as long as any console out today. Of coarse you have the option to upgrade but it isn't nessecery. PC games are cheaper by atleast 10$ with free online and mods. I am not bashing any console but just pointing out that PC gaming is NOT more expensive that console gaming. If console games appeal to you more that play them, but "PC gaming is more expensive" argument is just a myth now.cobrax25

LOL since when does 1GB of ram and a 7900GS give it the peformance of either console? That system will not be playing games that look half as good as what the 360 and PS3 will be doing a year from now. Sorry try agian.

So Oblivion is the be all to end all of what all consoles can do now?  What system does SC.DA look better on exactly ?  Ok thanks try agian that rig sucks compared to either the PS3 or 360 and you have to build it yourself.

[QUOTE="Billyhyw"]

[QUOTE="muscleserge"]PC parts droped in prices recently and thus shifting the price/performance ratio to PC. Here is the PC. AMD64 x2 3800 - $110 Mobo AM2 - $50 1gb ddr533 ram - $70 160GB HDD - $50 Geforce 7900GS OC(550/1400) 512mb - $190 Case and PSU - $30 XSOS v3.0 - free KB/M - $30 Total - $530 I didn't include a moniter because non of the console come with one, and you can hook that PC up to ANY TV. Note that this PC has a larger HDD, 3x more ram than iether 360 or PS3. This PC will play every PC game out now and as long as any console out today. Of coarse you have the option to upgrade but it isn't nessecery. PC games are cheaper by atleast 10$ with free online and mods. I am not bashing any console but just pointing out that PC gaming is NOT more expensive that console gaming. If console games appeal to you more that play them, but "PC gaming is more expensive" argument is just a myth now.imprezawrx500

LOL since when does 1GB of ram and a 7900GS give it the peformance of either console?  That system will not be playing games that look half as good as what the 360 and PS3 will be doing a year from now.  Sorry try agian.

Your 7800gtx isnt as powerful as the card in either the PS3 or 360 what the hell are you talking about?  Hermits are the most uninformed fanboys in this fourm. Go look up some specs and some facts before you even try to talk about tech your all making fools out of yourself.

[QUOTE="Tiefster"]No offence TC but that PC isn't going to be able to do much.imprezawrx500

That rig would get utterly stomped trying to run anygame that was built up from the ground up on consoles.  And the 8800 will only be offering higher resolutions and better framrates.  Its still not doing anything far beyond of what any of the consoles will be doing.  

[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"]

[QUOTE="muscleserge"]PC parts droped in prices recently and thus shifting the price/performance ratio to PC. Here is the PC. AMD64 x2 3800 - $110 Mobo AM2 - $50 1gb ddr533 ram - $70 160GB HDD - $50 Geforce 7900GS OC(550/1400) 512mb - $190 Case and PSU - $30 XSOS v3.0 - free KB/M - $30 Total - $530 I didn't include a moniter because non of the console come with one, and you can hook that PC up to ANY TV. Note that this PC has a larger HDD, 3x more ram than iether 360 or PS3. This PC will play every PC game out now and as long as any console out today. Of coarse you have the option to upgrade but it isn't nessecery. PC games are cheaper by atleast 10$ with free online and mods. I am not bashing any console but just pointing out that PC gaming is NOT more expensive that console gaming. If console games appeal to you more that play them, but "PC gaming is more expensive" argument is just a myth now.solidsnakeEx3

$249, $399 and $499 is still cheaper...

[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"][QUOTE="Tiefster"]No offence TC but that PC isn't going to be able to do much.Billyhyw

That rig would get utterly stomped trying to run anygame that was built up from the ground up on consoles. And the 8800 will only be offering higher resolutions and better framrates. Its still not doing anything far beyond of what any of the consoles will be doing.

[QUOTE="solidsnakeEx3"][QUOTE="DevilMightCry"]

[QUOTE="muscleserge"]PC parts droped in prices recently and thus shifting the price/performance ratio to PC. Here is the PC. AMD64 x2 3800 - $110 Mobo AM2 - $50 1gb ddr533 ram - $70 160GB HDD - $50 Geforce 7900GS OC(550/1400) 512mb - $190 Case and PSU - $30 XSOS v3.0 - free KB/M - $30 Total - $530 I didn't include a moniter because non of the console come with one, and you can hook that PC up to ANY TV. Note that this PC has a larger HDD, 3x more ram than iether 360 or PS3. This PC will play every PC game out now and as long as any console out today. Of coarse you have the option to upgrade but it isn't nessecery. PC games are cheaper by atleast 10$ with free online and mods. I am not bashing any console but just pointing out that PC gaming is NOT more expensive that console gaming. If console games appeal to you more that play them, but "PC gaming is more expensive" argument is just a myth now.MyopicCanadian

$249, $399 and $499 is still cheaper...

[QUOTE="Billyhyw"]

[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"][QUOTE="Tiefster"]No offence TC but that PC isn't going to be able to do much.cobrax25

That rig would get utterly stomped trying to run anygame that was built up from the ground up on consoles. And the 8800 will only be offering higher resolutions and better framrates. Its still not doing anything far beyond of what any of the consoles will be doing.

Um You havent played Crysis nor have you seen what either the PS3 or the 360 are truly capable of especially the PS3 it just came out. 

And not all those gmaes run better on the pc he listed above.  A 7900GS does not run RS.Vegas better thent he 360 . And it doensnt run SC.DA or TRL better on any card. 

I think its funny you attack me but dont even respond to the noob who says a 7600gt is equal to whats in the 360 and PS3 when that card doesnt even run Oblivion better then the 360.

[QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="Billyhyw"]

[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"][QUOTE="Tiefster"]No offence TC but that PC isn't going to be able to do much.Billyhyw

That rig would get utterly stomped trying to run anygame that was built up from the ground up on consoles. And the 8800 will only be offering higher resolutions and better framrates. Its still not doing anything far beyond of what any of the consoles will be doing.

Um You havent played Crysis nor have you seen what either the PS3 or the 360 are truly capable of especially the PS3 it just came out.

And not all those gmaes run better on the pc he listed above. A 7900GS does not run RS.Vegas better thent he 360 . And it doensnt run SC.DA or TRL better on any card.

I think its funny you attack me but dont even respond to the noob who says a 7600gt is equal to whats in the 360 and PS3 when that card doesnt even run Oblivion better then the 360.

[QUOTE="Billyhyw"][QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="Billyhyw"]

[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"][QUOTE="Tiefster"]No offence TC but that PC isn't going to be able to do much.cobrax25

That rig would get utterly stomped trying to run anygame that was built up from the ground up on consoles. And the 8800 will only be offering higher resolutions and better framrates. Its still not doing anything far beyond of what any of the consoles will be doing.

Um You havent played Crysis nor have you seen what either the PS3 or the 360 are truly capable of especially the PS3 it just came out.

And not all those gmaes run better on the pc he listed above. A 7900GS does not run RS.Vegas better thent he 360 . And it doensnt run SC.DA or TRL better on any card.

I think its funny you attack me but dont even respond to the noob who says a 7600gt is equal to whats in the 360 and PS3 when that card doesnt even run Oblivion better then the 360.

[QUOTE="Billyhyw"][QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="Billyhyw"]

[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"][QUOTE="Tiefster"]No offence TC but that PC isn't going to be able to do much.cobrax25

That rig would get utterly stomped trying to run anygame that was built up from the ground up on consoles. And the 8800 will only be offering higher resolutions and better framrates. Its still not doing anything far beyond of what any of the consoles will be doing.

Um You havent played Crysis nor have you seen what either the PS3 or the 360 are truly capable of especially the PS3 it just came out.

And not all those gmaes run better on the pc he listed above. A 7900GS does not run RS.Vegas better thent he 360 . And it doensnt run SC.DA or TRL better on any card.

I think its funny you attack me but dont even respond to the noob who says a 7600gt is equal to whats in the 360 and PS3 when that card doesnt even run Oblivion better then the 360.

What does that have to do at all with my post or the topic that the tc created?  Are hermits incapable of making logical comments ? Or do you just branch off and make an argument that is completely irrelvant.  Let me explain it to you so you can understand.  He saying he can build a pc for less then a console that will outperform the console.  The fact is he is wrong.  You cant and none of the parts in the pc that he made will hold up with either next gen console.  Im not saying that you cant go out and by a PC GPU that wont do what either the PS3 or 360 can do but you cant build a rig that will outpeform it and cost less at the same time.

And btw console visuals evolve to through better optimization and new hardware. Hell the pc couldnt even win best graphics techincal in the overall awards against a 1 year old console. So yes right now console gaming is looking better then pc gaming.

[QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="Billyhyw"][QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="Billyhyw"]

[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"][QUOTE="Tiefster"]No offence TC but that PC isn't going to be able to do much.joeblak

That rig would get utterly stomped trying to run anygame that was built up from the ground up on consoles. And the 8800 will only be offering higher resolutions and better framrates. Its still not doing anything far beyond of what any of the consoles will be doing.

Um You havent played Crysis nor have you seen what either the PS3 or the 360 are truly capable of especially the PS3 it just came out.

And not all those gmaes run better on the pc he listed above. A 7900GS does not run RS.Vegas better thent he 360 . And it doensnt run SC.DA or TRL better on any card.

I think its funny you attack me but dont even respond to the noob who says a 7600gt is equal to whats in the 360 and PS3 when that card doesnt even run Oblivion better then the 360.

Funny because you act like Crysis is the average of what we can expect from pc gaming.  The fact is Crysis stomps any game visually coming to the pc also.  And yes you will most likely see games that beat that on the PS3 and maybe the 360 but they wont be pc ports.

[QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="Billyhyw"][QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="Billyhyw"]

[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"][QUOTE="Tiefster"]No offence TC but that PC isn't going to be able to do much.Billyhyw

That rig would get utterly stomped trying to run anygame that was built up from the ground up on consoles. And the 8800 will only be offering higher resolutions and better framrates. Its still not doing anything far beyond of what any of the consoles will be doing.

Um You havent played Crysis nor have you seen what either the PS3 or the 360 are truly capable of especially the PS3 it just came out.

And not all those gmaes run better on the pc he listed above. A 7900GS does not run RS.Vegas better thent he 360 . And it doensnt run SC.DA or TRL better on any card.

I think its funny you attack me but dont even respond to the noob who says a 7600gt is equal to whats in the 360 and PS3 when that card doesnt even run Oblivion better then the 360.

What does that have to do at all with my post or the topic that the tc cretaed? Are hermits incapable of making logical comments ? Or do you just branch off and make an argument that is completely irrelvant. Let me explain it to you so you can understand. He saying he can build a pc for less then a console that will outperform the console. The fact is he is wrong. You cant and none of the parts in the pc that he made will hold up with either next gen console. Im not saying that you cant go out and by a PC GPU that wont do what either the PS3 or 360 can do but you cant build a rig that will outpeform it and cost less at the same time.

And btw console visuals evolove to through better optimization and new hardware. Hell the pc couldnt even win best graphics techincal in the overall awards against a 1 year old console. So yes right now conosle gaming is looking better then pc gaming.

[QUOTE="Billyhyw"][QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="Billyhyw"][QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="Billyhyw"]

[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"][QUOTE="Tiefster"]No offence TC but that PC isn't going to be able to do much.cobrax25

That rig would get utterly stomped trying to run anygame that was built up from the ground up on consoles. And the 8800 will only be offering higher resolutions and better framrates. Its still not doing anything far beyond of what any of the consoles will be doing.

Um You havent played Crysis nor have you seen what either the PS3 or the 360 are truly capable of especially the PS3 it just came out.

And not all those gmaes run better on the pc he listed above. A 7900GS does not run RS.Vegas better thent he 360 . And it doensnt run SC.DA or TRL better on any card.

I think its funny you attack me but dont even respond to the noob who says a 7600gt is equal to whats in the 360 and PS3 when that card doesnt even run Oblivion better then the 360.

What does that have to do at all with my post or the topic that the tc cretaed? Are hermits incapable of making logical comments ? Or do you just branch off and make an argument that is completely irrelvant. Let me explain it to you so you can understand. He saying he can build a pc for less then a console that will outperform the console. The fact is he is wrong. You cant and none of the parts in the pc that he made will hold up with either next gen console. Im not saying that you cant go out and by a PC GPU that wont do what either the PS3 or 360 can do but you cant build a rig that will outpeform it and cost less at the same time.

And btw console visuals evolove to through better optimization and new hardware. Hell the pc couldnt even win best graphics techincal in the overall awards against a 1 year old console. So yes right now conosle gaming is looking better then pc gaming.

Yea it won Last year with F.E.A.R here on gamespot that was the first year of the Xbox360.  Yet it didnt beat the Xbox360 in its second year in 2006. 

Now can the PC do Gears of War?  Of course it can but can it do it on a 600 dollar rig as good as the 360?  HELL NO. And that is the point im trying to make the TC fails to realize this as this is his argument.

If you buy a pc stronger now will it always have better graphics then the 360?  Um no not really .  If you get a DX10 card then yes maybe.  But DX9 cards will fall behind as devs will fail to optmize for them.  If the card cant handle the effects they will simply make the card not do it.  If a console cant handle the effect they emulate it and try to make it look as good as possible.  See the difference?  Raw power isnt everthing.

Regardless my point still stands so i dont even see why any hermits are arguing here "YOU CANT BUILD A RIG THAT WILL OUTPEFROM THE 360 OR PS3 FOR THE SAME PRICE"  That is what hes trying to say so why dont you tell him hes wrong and move on.

[QUOTE="MyopicCanadian"][QUOTE="solidsnakeEx3"][QUOTE="DevilMightCry"]

[QUOTE="muscleserge"]PC parts droped in prices recently and thus shifting the price/performance ratio to PC. Here is the PC. AMD64 x2 3800 - $110 Mobo AM2 - $50 1gb ddr533 ram - $70 160GB HDD - $50 Geforce 7900GS OC(550/1400) 512mb - $190 Case and PSU - $30 XSOS v3.0 - free KB/M - $30 Total - $530 I didn't include a moniter because non of the console come with one, and you can hook that PC up to ANY TV. Note that this PC has a larger HDD, 3x more ram than iether 360 or PS3. This PC will play every PC game out now and as long as any console out today. Of coarse you have the option to upgrade but it isn't nessecery. PC games are cheaper by atleast 10$ with free online and mods. I am not bashing any console but just pointing out that PC gaming is NOT more expensive that console gaming. If console games appeal to you more that play them, but "PC gaming is more expensive" argument is just a myth now.cobrax25

$249, $399 and $499 is still cheaper...

Funny because you act like Crysis is the average of what we can expect from pc gaming. The fact is Crysis stomps any game visually coming to the pc also. And yes you will most likely see games that beat that on the PS3 and maybe the 360 but they wont be pc ports. Billyhyw

[QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="Billyhyw"][QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="Billyhyw"][QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="Billyhyw"]

[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"][QUOTE="Tiefster"]No offence TC but that PC isn't going to be able to do much.Billyhyw

That rig would get utterly stomped trying to run anygame that was built up from the ground up on consoles. And the 8800 will only be offering higher resolutions and better framrates. Its still not doing anything far beyond of what any of the consoles will be doing.

Um You havent played Crysis nor have you seen what either the PS3 or the 360 are truly capable of especially the PS3 it just came out.

And not all those gmaes run better on the pc he listed above. A 7900GS does not run RS.Vegas better thent he 360 . And it doensnt run SC.DA or TRL better on any card.

I think its funny you attack me but dont even respond to the noob who says a 7600gt is equal to whats in the 360 and PS3 when that card doesnt even run Oblivion better then the 360.

What does that have to do at all with my post or the topic that the tc cretaed? Are hermits incapable of making logical comments ? Or do you just branch off and make an argument that is completely irrelvant. Let me explain it to you so you can understand. He saying he can build a pc for less then a console that will outperform the console. The fact is he is wrong. You cant and none of the parts in the pc that he made will hold up with either next gen console. Im not saying that you cant go out and by a PC GPU that wont do what either the PS3 or 360 can do but you cant build a rig that will outpeform it and cost less at the same time.

And btw console visuals evolove to through better optimization and new hardware. Hell the pc couldnt even win best graphics techincal in the overall awards against a 1 year old console. So yes right now conosle gaming is looking better then pc gaming.

Yea it won Last year with F.E.A.R here on gamespot that was the first year of the Xbox360.  Yet it didnt beat the Xbox360 in its second year in 2006. 

Now can the PC do Gears of War?  Of course it can but can it do it on a 600 dollar rig as good as the 360?  HELL NO. And that is the point im trying to make the TC fails to realize this as this is his argument.

If you buy a pc stronger now will it always have better graphics then the 360?  Um no not really .  If you get a DX10 card then yes maybe.  But DX9 cards will fall behind as devs will fail to optmize for them.  If the card cant handle the effects they will simply make the card not do it.  If a console cant handle the effect they emulate it and try to make it look as good as possible.  See the difference?  Raw power isnt everthing.

Regardless my point still stands so i dont even see why any hermits are arguing here "YOU CANT BUILD A RIG THAT WILL OUTPEFROM THE 360 OR PS3 FOR THE SAME PRICE"  That is what hes trying to say so why dont you tell him hes wrong and move on.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]    Using TigerDirect.com and taking the cheapest components that fit the needs I had, I built a computer in my head. I left out a monitor, but you could add one in if you really wanted to.
    Allow me to start by saying the upgrade to Windows Vista is necessary if you plan on playing DX10 games, so don't complain that that inflates the cost, and I only used the upgrade price, since it is $80 less costly. 

Here is what I found:

Windows Home Premium (upgrade) $159.99
Case $69.99
Vista Certified MoBo $59.99
Intel Pentium 4 CPU $79.99
1 Gig RAM $69.99
Vista Certified HDD (160 Gigs) $79.99
Basic Graphics Card (256 Megs) $59.99
Basic Sound Card $9.99
Keyboard and Mouse $9.99
Speakers (2.1) $15.99
DVD-ROM Drive $19.99

Total cost $635.89

    Note: This is not a top of the line rig, but just the essentials to play DX10 games at their minimum levels. Does not include any assembly costs (heatsinks, thermal paste, cables, etc) or added fans. All components would work together in theory. 
    I didn't do this to bash either side, just to put out some actual, factual numbers that would help the debate be more grounded.

muscleserge

Actually you do need Vista to play DX10 games, your "unreleased" imaginary OS does not = proof of not needing vista.... and its funny cause all the PC's that ANYONE has linked in this thread, would run DX10 games like CRAP if at all......

This whole argument of PC Vs. Console and price..... is a joke.     There is no way that you are gonna prove that a $1000 - $1500 PC is gonna be cheaper than a $250, $399.00 or a $599.00 console.  /thread   And the argument of which has better games is totally pointless cause it comes down to personal preference of Genres of games.  PC = better for RTS games  Console = better driving games for example.

[QUOTE="muscleserge"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]    Using TigerDirect.com and taking the cheapest components that fit the needs I had, I built a computer in my head. I left out a monitor, but you could add one in if you really wanted to.
    Allow me to start by saying the upgrade to Windows Vista is necessary if you plan on playing DX10 games, so don't complain that that inflates the cost, and I only used the upgrade price, since it is $80 less costly. 

Here is what I found:

Windows Home Premium (upgrade) $159.99
Case $69.99
Vista Certified MoBo $59.99
Intel Pentium 4 CPU $79.99
1 Gig RAM $69.99
Vista Certified HDD (160 Gigs) $79.99
Basic Graphics Card (256 Megs) $59.99
Basic Sound Card $9.99
Keyboard and Mouse $9.99
Speakers (2.1) $15.99
DVD-ROM Drive $19.99

Total cost $635.89

    Note: This is not a top of the line rig, but just the essentials to play DX10 games at their minimum levels. Does not include any assembly costs (heatsinks, thermal paste, cables, etc) or added fans. All components would work together in theory. 
    I didn't do this to bash either side, just to put out some actual, factual numbers that would help the debate be more grounded.

shaggymcp

I'm sorry if you are building a computer then you can't use the vista ugrade version in your calculation you would need the full version which is 199 plus what graphics card is going to be able to play future pc games as well as games like fear for 59.99?

Price in $980 this system owns any console out there is highly overclockably....

Yes, that build "owns" any console and is also 2.5 times the price of an Xbox 360 Premium. Good job

Price in $980 this system owns any console out there is highly overclockably....MyopicCanadian

Yes, that build "owns" any console and is also 2.5 times the price of an Xbox 360 Premium. Good job

but both 360 and ps3 are better then the system you suggested. THHBO!apolloluke

[QUOTE="MyopicCanadian"]

Price in $980 this system owns any console out there is highly overclockably....nmaharg

Yes, that build "owns" any console and is also 2.5 times the price of an Xbox 360 Premium. Good job

[QUOTE="MyopicCanadian"]

Price in $980 this system owns any console out there is highly overclockably....nmaharg

Yes, that build "owns" any console and is also 2.5 times the price of an Xbox 360 Premium. Good job

[QUOTE="nmaharg"][QUOTE="MyopicCanadian"]

Price in $980 this system owns any console out there is highly overclockably....jwcyclone15

Yes, that build "owns" any console and is also 2.5 times the price of an Xbox 360 Premium. Good job

Well, I upgrade my PC, so I dont need to buy a new OS. I bought retail copies of 2000 and XP, win 98 came with a prebuilt.

Starting into PC gaming from scratch IS expensive. But once you're in and on the right hardware path, most of the time when you do need to upgrade (once every 2-3 years)its only going to cost $3-400, unless you didn't plan your upgrade path properly, like getting a socket 754 CPU(when they were fast)instead of a socket 939.

Hermits also continue to try to figure in a pirated version of the OS or an OS that might not ever exist(XSOS 3.0) for ZERO dollars. Why don't you just continue along that path? I guess you could steal a PS3 or steal a $5000 Alienware system, so there is your win! $0.00 total! Good job! You will ALWAYS be able to build a rig that kills any console on the market, but you will have to go way over the $600.00 figure that the TC used. If you want the GPU to own the 360 or PS3, you have to at least get an 8800GTS 640 MB, which will run you almost $400 by itself.joe_g_patton

[QUOTE="joe_g_patton"]Hermits also continue to try to figure in a pirated version of the OS or an OS that might not ever exist(XSOS 3.0) for ZERO dollars. Why don't you just continue along that path? I guess you could steal a PS3 or steal a $5000 Alienware system, so there is your win! $0.00 total! Good job! You will ALWAYS be able to build a rig that kills any console on the market, but you will have to go way over the $600.00 figure that the TC used. If you want the GPU to own the 360 or PS3, you have to at least get an 8800GTS 640 MB, which will run you almost $400 by itself._Pedro_

[QUOTE="jwcyclone15"][QUOTE="nmaharg"][QUOTE="MyopicCanadian"]

Price in $980 this system owns any console out there is highly overclockably....MyopicCanadian

Yes, that build "owns" any console and is also 2.5 times the price of an Xbox 360 Premium. Good job

Hermits also continue to try to figure in a pirated version of the OS or an OS that might not ever exist(XSOS 3.0) for ZERO dollars. Why don't you just continue along that path? I guess you could steal a PS3 or steal a $5000 Alienware system, so there is your win! $0.00 total! Good job! You will ALWAYS be able to build a rig that kills any console on the market, but you will have to go way over the $600.00 figure that the TC used. If you want the GPU to own the 360 or PS3, you have to at least get an 8800GTS 640 MB, which will run you almost $400 by itself.joe_g_patton

Price in $980 this system owns any console out there is highly overclockably....MyopicCanadian

Yes, that build "owns" any console and is also 2.5 times the price of an Xbox 360 Premium. Good job

Yeah and then you should add $1000+ for console gaming because not every household has a HDTV. Well i found another point: To all the console kids here, your games would look $hit on SDTVs as compared to games running on a PC and so you total gaming cost is actually the cost of your console+cost of console accessories+cost of HDTV ($1000).

360 has VGA cable support and the Wii only does 480p, so the HDTV arguement only applies to the PS3.

Whats up with the console fanboys? Are all of them drunk?? Hell, you are so wrong. I agree to the TC not because a 7800 card is faster, but because PC gaming eventually becomes less expensive. Just referring to the graphics card that TC mentioned, it was released at the start of 2006 and see now how cheap it costs. Now lets talk about 8800, it is released at the end of 2006 and no one needs it now for DX10 games. Yeah sure if anyone has enough money, he can go and buy it; atleast he has a choice. The fact is this card is not needed at the moment. The real DX10 games will start coming probably in august-september (crysis) and by that time, an 8800GTS would cost around $200 and 8800GTS is clearly powerful than console graphics cards. So yeah, by that time, it would be enough cheaper and it would be better than any console. If someone builds the same PC with a 8800GTS at the start of 2008, it would cost much more cheaper and still better than consoles. So there goes your argument that a faster PC can't be cheaper than a console. And by that time, everyone knows 360 won't drop considerably in price.zaigham

If you had even read the FIRST SENTENCE of my post you would have realized I'm not a console fanboy.  Nice reading comprehension, though.

Now, let's use your projected 8800 GTS price.  You want to build a PC in late 2007/early 2008 and the projected price you use is $200.  That is already half the price of a PREMIUM Xbox 360, I'm not even talking about the core, which I COULD if I were comparing bottom of the line prices, but I like to be realistic.  Now you're going to build the rest of your PC before reaching the 400 dollar mark?  So what happened to my argument that a PC can't be cheaper than a console?  Still looks valid to me.

Let's not even mention the fact that you're now comparing this theoretical build to a two-year-old console AND you don't think there will be a good price drop for the 360 by the end of this year?