New PC prices to stop all "PC is expensive" argument.
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[QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="Billyhyw"][QUOTE="muscleserge"]PC parts droped in prices recently and thus shifting the price/performance ratio to PC. Here is the PC. AMD64 x2 3800 - $110 Mobo AM2 - $50 1gb ddr533 ram - $70 160GB HDD - $50 Geforce 7900GS OC(550/1400) 512mb - $190 Case and PSU - $30 XSOS v3.0 - free KB/M - $30 Total - $530 I didn't include a moniter because non of the console come with one, and you can hook that PC up to ANY TV. Note that this PC has a larger HDD, 3x more ram than iether 360 or PS3. This PC will play every PC game out now and as long as any console out today. Of coarse you have the option to upgrade but it isn't nessecery. PC games are cheaper by atleast 10$ with free online and mods. I am not bashing any console but just pointing out that PC gaming is NOT more expensive that console gaming. If console games appeal to you more that play them, but "PC gaming is more expensive" argument is just a myth now.Billyhyw
LOL since when does 1GB of ram and a 7900GS give it the peformance of either console? That system will not be playing games that look half as good as what the 360 and PS3 will be doing a year from now. Sorry try agian.
you clearly have absolutly no clue of any kind....what system does Oblivion look better on exactly? that graphics card will even run Crysis.... and there arent even any games that benefit from 2 gigs of Ram right now....So Oblivion is the be all to end all of what all consoles can do now? What system does SC.DA look better on exactly ? Ok thanks try agian that rig sucks compared to either the PS3 or 360 and you have to build it yourself.
SC:DA???? Man don't make me laugh. you could compare GRAW or Oblivion, but i'm sorry that PCs have no problems in running that game. My system is getting dated day by day and i still play that game at 1280*1024 with every single detail set to highest and it runs pretty smoothly at 35+ FPS.[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"][QUOTE="Billyhyw"][QUOTE="muscleserge"]PC parts droped in prices recently and thus shifting the price/performance ratio to PC. Here is the PC. AMD64 x2 3800 - $110 Mobo AM2 - $50 1gb ddr533 ram - $70 160GB HDD - $50 Geforce 7900GS OC(550/1400) 512mb - $190 Case and PSU - $30 XSOS v3.0 - free KB/M - $30 Total - $530 I didn't include a moniter because non of the console come with one, and you can hook that PC up to ANY TV. Note that this PC has a larger HDD, 3x more ram than iether 360 or PS3. This PC will play every PC game out now and as long as any console out today. Of coarse you have the option to upgrade but it isn't nessecery. PC games are cheaper by atleast 10$ with free online and mods. I am not bashing any console but just pointing out that PC gaming is NOT more expensive that console gaming. If console games appeal to you more that play them, but "PC gaming is more expensive" argument is just a myth now.Billyhyw
LOL since when does 1GB of ram and a 7900GS give it the peformance of either console? That system will not be playing games that look half as good as what the 360 and PS3 will be doing a year from now. Sorry try agian.
my 7800gt run every game maxed the ps3/x360=midrange card such as a 7600gt/x1650xtYour 7800gtx isnt as powerful as the card in either the PS3 or 360 what the hell are you talking about? Hermits are the most uninformed fanboys in this fourm. Go look up some specs and some facts before you even try to talk about tech your all making fools out of yourself.
You are fooling yourself when you pretend that only the GPU is responsible for playing your games. I look up specs everywhere and yeah, for sure i find your CPU and RAM to be less powerful than even my 2 years old computer. Go search the POWER of 360's CPU compared to PC CPUs and then compare the RAM quantity.
I repeat case and PSU never make games run faster. Yeah you need a 400W PSU to run that 8800GTS, but how much that costs?? $40?? And then if you replace it with the case-built-in PSU, the total would reduce to $20. So go add another $30. I stand for my motherboard statement. Don't throw ad-hominen, prove it by some authentic source where it sas that quality motherboard boost up the gaming quality and performance by great margin. If you don't, you are owned. A quality motherboard would just add 2-3 FPS at maximum. I have built 4 PCs for my self and my friends and i always go for a high-low end motherboard, because i just see it a waste to buy expansive. motherboards. Casing burning like plastic? Man do you live in hell?? I'm using a $35 casing at this moment. In my sig, you can see that my PC is overclocked to death and it is like so since the last 2 years. And the temperatures of my PC at this moment are: CPU-24C Motherboard-29C GPU-43C While i'm gaming, all of those temperatures increase by a maximum of 10-15 centigrades. So yeah, those temperatures are very fine with such high overclocking and within a $35 casing. Then my motherboard is a high-low end and still my PC is stable at such high overclocked speeds. Its a fact that since the last 2 years my PC is running great flawlessly at such high overclocked speeds with a high-low end motherboard($75) and a $35 casing. Yeah i have bought a seperate 500W PSU for $40. Don't you get it, you are just ignorant about PCs. Only if you don't take your PC "recommendations" from storekeepers, the PC i mentioned is great. If anything, you could call that PC less powerful as compared to the latest hardware, but calling that junk is just idiotic and makes you much less credible.zaigham
There is more to building a PC than FPS. A higher quality PSU, we're talking more than just the total "wattage" you need, will be able to provide stable power output to all your components. Low-quality PSU's fluctuate in voltage more regularly and create all sorts of weird problems.
Regarding a motherboard, if you're just building a cheap system then yes, you can use any old thing. But you will want to spend more money if you want certain features, or depending on how much you want to overclock. Even for compatibility purchases for future upgrades - for e.g., there are some cheap/older Socket 775 boards out there that will support the E6400 but not any of the more expensive Core Duos.
Post statements like these in the PC hardware forum, that the PSU doesn't matter as long as it has the required wattage rating and that a high quality motherboard doesn't matter either. I'm curious to see what kind of responses you would get.
Sorry to tell you this but one day your cheap PSUs will bite you in the ass. Yes Cheap PSU are, well cheap, but they are not reliable at all. The power fluctates way too much and they do tend to burn out alot more frequently than a good PSU. Not mentioning that PSU failure can cause irreperable damage to you Mobo and all it's component.
Personally I have had 2 cheap PSU burn out on me in 2 years, luckly no damage was done to my components but I have read several horror stories on different forums. Let's just say that I have learned my lesson since then. Next time you build a PC you should seriously consider investing 60$ more to get a good brand name PSU specially if you overclock.
[QUOTE="zaigham"] I repeat case and PSU never make games run faster. Yeah you need a 400W PSU to run that 8800GTS, but how much that costs?? $40?? And then if you replace it with the case-built-in PSU, the total would reduce to $20. So go add another $30. I stand for my motherboard statement. Don't throw ad-hominen, prove it by some authentic source where it sas that quality motherboard boost up the gaming quality and performance by great margin. If you don't, you are owned. A quality motherboard would just add 2-3 FPS at maximum. I have built 4 PCs for my self and my friends and i always go for a high-low end motherboard, because i just see it a waste to buy expansive. motherboards. Casing burning like plastic? Man do you live in hell?? I'm using a $35 casing at this moment. In my sig, you can see that my PC is overclocked to death and it is like so since the last 2 years. And the temperatures of my PC at this moment are: CPU-24C Motherboard-29C GPU-43C While i'm gaming, all of those temperatures increase by a maximum of 10-15 centigrades. So yeah, those temperatures are very fine with such high overclocking and within a $35 casing. Then my motherboard is a high-low end and still my PC is stable at such high overclocked speeds. Its a fact that since the last 2 years my PC is running great flawlessly at such high overclocked speeds with a high-low end motherboard($75) and a $35 casing. Yeah i have bought a seperate 500W PSU for $40. Don't you get it, you are just ignorant about PCs. Only if you don't take your PC "recommendations" from storekeepers, the PC i mentioned is great. If anything, you could call that PC less powerful as compared to the latest hardware, but calling that junk is just idiotic and makes you much less credible.MyopicCanadian
There is more to building a PC than FPS. A higher quality PSU, we're talking more than just the total "wattage" you need, will be able to provide stable power output to all your components. Low-quality PSU's fluctuate in voltage more regularly and create all sorts of weird problems.
Regarding a motherboard, if you're just building a cheap system then yes, you can use any old thing. But you will want to spend more money if you want certain features, or depending on how much you want to overclock. Even for compatibility purchases for future upgrades - for e.g., there are some cheap/older Socket 775 boards out there that will support the E6400 but not any of the more expensive Core Duos.
Post statements like these in the PC hardware forum, that the PSU doesn't matter as long as it has the required wattage rating and that a high quality motherboard doesn't matter either. I'm curious to see what kind of responses you would get.
Well, a quality motherboard is only needed if you want to go SLI or crossfire. Apart from that I can't see how a quality motherboard adds to gaming performance. I have given the example of my rig. Only if you can find some authentic resource saying that quality motherboards boost up the gaming performance by a great margin, i would trust you then. Atleast i can find no such articles on internet. Leave the older socket 775 boards aside, the new motherboards available for E6400 also come in cheap to expansive price range. If i can get a motherboard for $70 that supports the C2Ds, has a PCIE slot and 3 other PCI slots, instead of buying an expansive $250 board, i would buy the first one without any hesitation and buy a better CPU or GPU for the money saved. Well what would you go for?? A $70 motherboard with 1 8800GTX or A $250 motherboard with 1 8800GTS 320 MB. Be practical and answer that.Sorry to tell you this but one day your cheap PSUs will bite you in the ass. Yes Cheap PSU are, well cheap, but they are not reliable at all. The power fluctates way too much and they do tend to burn out alot more frequently than a good PSU. Not mentioning that PSU failure can cause irreperable damage to you Mobo and all it's component.
Personally I have had 2 cheap PSU burn out on me in 2 years, luckly no damage was done to my components but I have read several horror stories on different forums. Let's just say that I have learned my lesson since then. Next time you build a PC you should seriously consider investing 60$ more to get a good brand name PSU specially if you overclock.
I agree cheap PSUs suck for power fluctuations. I'm not biased, but i have been running my 6800 with a 220W built-in-case power supply for one and half year. It burnt one time and i got it repaired for $8. After that it never bothered me. Its a fact and that is with extreme overclocking. Just to be safe, i have recently bought a ASUS 500W power supply and i can't see how it helped my current computer. It just runs the same. No doubt that the newly bought PSU would help my 8800GTS this summer. Having said that you can be smart if you are afraid of burning PSUs, just buy a surge protector for your PC. It would cost like $10(i got a custom made from a friend who is expert in electronics) and would save your PSU and the rest of the PC from any power fluctuations.
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