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#53 youpieceopoo
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alien 3 was first movie aliens they used cgi on.

They used a puppet and cgi for some parts but you can definitely tell which parts are cgi alien and look fake as sh1t compared to the puppet.

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#54 Lightning_fan
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I am predicting it to outdo PC gaming like 360 did for a little while. Microsoft will be putting a whole lot of work into this monster.
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#55 youpieceopoo
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using real puppets for movie is cooler because you have real objects left over after the movie is completed.

it's not just a file on a computer.

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#56 Lightning_fan
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alien 3 was first movie aliens they used cgi on.

They used a puppet and cgi for some parts but you can definitely tell which parts are cgi alien and look fake as sh1t compared to the puppet.

youpieceopoo

Really, that Alien looked pretty real to me.

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[QUOTE="fr3ddiemercury"] Wow. You are forgetting AMD works with Microsoft to make custom versions of the chips, built specifically for console. How do you know they haven't achieved something to allow it to work? You highly are underestimating what 720 will be like

By the rumors it would not even have a 8XXX series GPU and just a 7XXX one,2 8XXX is basically out of the question,more when in states like California there is a law pass limiting high voltage devices and requiring new electronic devices to meet and comply with low wattage consumptions. Not only that this chips produce heat and we all know how good was MS handling heat on the xbox 360,the thing doesn't even have an internal PSU and still millions of consoles RROD,still to this day the 360 has a power brick,when the PS3 has an internal PSU since day 1. The Xenos was also a custom version of a chip,and that did not stop it from producing allot of heat,now i know the xbox 720 will pack a punch but 2 8XXX GPU are out of the question.
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jurassic park 1 movie they actually built real full sized animatronic moving puppet dinosaurs for like t-rex.

They used cgi on some parts and look fake as hell compared to animatronics.

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second jurassic park lost world is when they started using cgi alot and dinosaurs look really fake compared to first movie.

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#60 k2theswiss
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GTX 89990? reason why console games cost more then pc? so they can decrease price of the system so they charge more on games to make up the cost and make profit,
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#61 Lightning_fan
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jurassic park 1 movie they actually built real full sized animatronic moving puppet dinosaurs for like t-rex.

They used cgi on some parts and look fake as hell compared to animatronics.

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That T-rex was bad ass.
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#62 youpieceopoo
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[QUOTE="youpieceopoo"]

jurassic park 1 movie they actually built real full sized animatronic moving puppet dinosaurs for like t-rex.

They used cgi on some parts and look fake as hell compared to animatronics.

Lightning_fan
That T-rex was bad ass.

watch part 3 it's all cgi pretty much and that was the death of the franchise.
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#63 SecretPolice
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The next MS console will deliver the powahful, phenom gaming goods at launch, just like the last two MS consoles did... Bank. :P

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#64 youpieceopoo
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it's cool because these puppets can be in some hollywood movie museum these props were used for this movie.

unlike a file on a computer.

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#65 Lightning_fan
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[QUOTE="Lightning_fan"][QUOTE="youpieceopoo"]

jurassic park 1 movie they actually built real full sized animatronic moving puppet dinosaurs for like t-rex.

They used cgi on some parts and look fake as hell compared to animatronics.

youpieceopoo
That T-rex was bad ass.

watch part 3 it's all cgi pretty much and that was the death of the franchise.

The one with the Jeep.
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#66 youpieceopoo
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[QUOTE="Lightning_fan"][QUOTE="youpieceopoo"][QUOTE="Lightning_fan"] That T-rex was bad ass.

watch part 3 it's all cgi pretty much and that was the death of the franchise.

The one with the Jeep.

ford introduced the explorer vehicle with jurassic park movie debut. that's part 1. part 3 is one with dumbass kid in a boat on some island.
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[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="fr3ddiemercury"] Wow. You are forgetting AMD works with Microsoft to make custom versions of the chips, built specifically for console. How do you know they haven't achieved something to allow it to work? You highly are underestimating what 720 will be like

By the rumors it would not even have a 8XXX series GPU and just a 7XXX one,2 8XXX is basically out of the question,more when in states like California there is a law pass limiting high voltage devices and requiring new electronic devices to meet and comply with low wattage consumptions. Not only that this chips produce heat and we all know how good was MS handling heat on the xbox 360,the thing doesn't even have an internal PSU and still millions of consoles RROD,still to this day the 360 has a power brick,when the PS3 has an internal PSU since day 1. The Xenos was also a custom version of a chip,and that did not stop it from producing allot of heat,now i know the xbox 720 will pack a punch but 2 8XXX GPU are out of the question.

AMD said it will have almost avatar graphics. They will not achieve that with the card you suggested. So its HAS to be crossfire 7990s or 8990s. The cost issue is no problem (subscrption model). The heat is no problem (bigger console). There is no reason to doubt this anymore
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#68 tormentos
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[QUOTE="fr3ddiemercury"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Who pays ?

adamosmaki

They pay much less to AMD, they dont pay retail price.....this is common sense

and common sense is while they pay lower price those cards still cost way to much to be made so unless AMD is a good samaritan and gives those gpu's at a loss you can bet MS wont pay $500-600 for each of those cards

MS would not pay $500 or $600 for those GPU,i say like $140 for each one probably the first year,and like $70 the second year for each one,but i don't think either way that the console will have 1 8XXX series GPU let alone 2,even at $140 they are already pushing it,$270 in GPU chips alone will basically send the xbox 720 into a money pit. The manufacturing cost of the xbox 720 with 2 of those chips would be over $600 dollars probably,between the GPU,CPU,blu-ray,all other components,like wifi N,assembly it would be to much for MS to make profits,MS is not sony they are not hardware makers they pay to have everything done,so they can't play and lower cost like sony does. With 2 of those GPU the xbox 720 would never ever make any profits.
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#69 youpieceopoo
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http://www.sockshare.com/file/0BC4BFA87B27FC79#

Jurassic Park III (2001)


The the dinosaurs definitely look fake as sh1t compared to jurassic park 1 1993.


Thanks to the use of cgi dinosaurs instead of animatronic.

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#70 DaBrainz
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second jurassic park lost world is when they started using cgi alot and dinosaurs look really fake compared to first movie.

youpieceopoo
I agree with this concept. The end all be all argument is the first 3 Starwars vs. the last 3 Starwars. Jar Jar looked so fake it was like who framed roger rabbit.
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#71 tormentos
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[QUOTE="fr3ddiemercury"] AMD said it will have almost avatar graphics. They will not achieve that with the card you suggested. So its HAS to be crossfire 7990s or 8990s. The cost issue is no problem (subscrption model). The heat is no problem (bigger console). There is no reason to doubt this anymore

Yeah Kuturagi say 4D,and MS say Jaggies were things of the pass something that is far more easy to achieve on the 360 than avatar is on the 720 and they could not achieve it,hell AMD on 2005 claimed the Xenos was strong enough to run all games at minimum 720p with 4X AA on all games,we all know they could not do it either. The xbox 720 will not be subscription sold dude,that would kill sales period,the average joe will not pay the xbox 720 over 2 or 3 years,while having a contract,i don't think so. Dude the xbox 360 was already big and did not even have an internal PSU like PC and the PS3 did,imagine how much bigger it had to be to accommodate extra cooling or a more expensive one like water cooling.
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#72 k2theswiss
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[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="fr3ddiemercury"] AMD said it will have almost avatar graphics. They will not achieve that with the card you suggested. So its HAS to be crossfire 7990s or 8990s. The cost issue is no problem (subscrption model). The heat is no problem (bigger console). There is no reason to doubt this anymore

Yeah Kuturagi say 4D,and MS say Jaggies were things of the pass something that is far more easy to achieve on the 360 than avatar is on the 720 and they could not achieve it,hell AMD on 2005 claimed the Xenos was strong enough to run all games at minimum 720p with 4X AA on all games,we all know they could not do it either. The xbox 720 will not be subscription sold dude,that would kill sales period,the average joe will not pay the xbox 720 over 2 or 3 years,while having a contract,i don't think so. Dude the xbox 360 was already big and did not even have an internal PSU like PC and the PS3 did,imagine how much bigger it had to be to accommodate extra cooling or a more expensive one like water cooling.

hey i am joe and i would still the hell alway from subscribtion base. BUT anyways they will most likely have a subscription base model but with a full price one also
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#73 kraken2109
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lol some people are so stupid.

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#74 dantesergei
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One thing i've learned from the current gen is " don't buy the first model of the console , it will break ", unless its Nintendo.
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One thing i've learned from the current gen is " don't buy the first model of the console , it will break ", unless its Nintendo.dantesergei
Pretty much. But I always am impatient and buy launch consoles with 3 year warranty, it doesnt cost that much

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[QUOTE="fr3ddiemercury"][QUOTE="gamecubepad"]

I assume you're a troll, but in the case that you're just a delusional fanboy I should inform you that your own link cites a source that says they'll be using a custom tailored 7xxx series GPU.

I still think the best either system is getting is a 7750/70 setup.

gamecubepad

They are not certain though, I highly doubt it will be 7k series. And even IF it is, 2 crossfire 7990s + console optimization will produce graphics that current pc can only DREAM of

You're devoted to the troll art, I'll give you that much.

Just for the hell of it, though, even a single 7970M consumes 200W under load in BF3. 2 of those in a console...lulz.

7970M consumes about 65 watts http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/df-hardware-radeon-7970m-alienware-m17x-r4-review

The Pitcairn core is fairly small, occupying 212mm2 of area. Compare that with the 240mm2 of the RSX in the launch version of the PlayStation 3 and the 180mm2 of the Xbox 360's original 90nm Xenos GPU and we have a ballpark match. Of more interest is power consumption: at full tilt, the 7970M sucks up around 65 watts of power. That's not going to be especially good news for a laptop running on battery power alone, but considering that the launch versions of the Xbox 360 and PS3 both consumed around 200W in total, again we see an eminently suitable match.

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#77 ronvalencia
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http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2413873,00.asp

Cannot wait!

I am predicting 720 will have 2 GTX 8990s in crossfire. Dunno about the cpu, too many rumors on that but it will probably be strong. When you add optimization on top of these specs...WOW. I bet AMD's avatar graphics prediction will come true.

And for those who are going to say "ya right and it will cost $1000"....720 is rumored to have subscription model so can easily price it low for intial purchase for the masses (just like how $1000 phones/tablets can be had for $400)... Whos excited!?

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8990s in crossfire is unlikely since Xbox1 and Xbox 360 has remain with 128bit wired PCB.
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#78 Kats_RK
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I'm not exited about the next gen consoles.

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#79 clyde46
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GTX8990? Nvidia working with AMD now?
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#80 youpieceopoo
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lol xbox360 overheated because of one gpu muchless two

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#81 Wasdie  Moderator
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Wow this is really sad. OP knows practically nothing about computer hardware.

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#82 fr3ddiemercury
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Wow this is really sad. OP knows practically nothing about computer hardware.

Wasdie

So AMD says 720 will have almost avatar and you expect weak gpus....like that is goin to achieve it.

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#83 clyde46
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Wow this is really sad. OP knows practically nothing about computer hardware.

Wasdie
He's been doing this for the past few days.
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#84 clyde46
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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Wow this is really sad. OP knows practically nothing about computer hardware.

fr3ddiemercury
So AMD says 720 will have almost avatar anf you expect weak gpus....like that is goign to achieve it.

You're an idiot if you believe that.
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#85 Heil68
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Not sure why all the power is needed when upwards of 65% of your games are Kinect(lol), but I guess MS is being nice and throwing some scraps for the other 30% of games.
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#86 Inconsistancy
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*facepalms* (yes I really did that)

Freddie before you float off to your own dreamworld again, lets just restate that MS can NOT alter the laws of physics, 2 of the highest end of the new amd series of GPU would have an idle power consumption at atleast 400 Watts, and a peak at 700-800 that would be for the GPUs alone. Maddie_Larkin

You have the peak in the right range, but the idle for two 7990's would be ~60w.

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#87 SUD123456
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That was a lousy and disappointing article because there is no new information in it.

Indeed, the entire thing is based off Semi-Accurate's months old reporting and doesn't even attempt to answer the core question around timing that is raised in the title.

Schlock journalism...perfect for fanboys.

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Why do you guys feed the troll?

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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Wow this is really sad. OP knows practically nothing about computer hardware.

clyde46

He's been doing this for the past few days.

Yeah I've noticed that.

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[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Wow this is really sad. OP knows practically nothing about computer hardware.

Wasdie

He's been doing this for the past few days.

Yeah I've noticed that.

Yep I know nothing. AMD say 720 will have near avatar graphics. Yet, you guys say it will not have that. Seems you guys know everything about 720, and know more about 720 than the actual chipmaker themself. Amazing.

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#92 Tessellation
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yeah avatar graphics.... just like sony toy story graphics,4D, graphics and dual TV support at 120FPS.
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yeah avatar graphics.... just like sony toy story graphics,4D, graphics and dual TV support at 120FPS.Tessellation
Except Sony and Microsoft lie a lot. AMD doesn't.
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yeah avatar graphics.... just like sony toy story graphics,4D, graphics and dual TV support at 120FPS.Tessellation
lol toy story released in 1995 still no games cant do the same style of graphics in realtime.
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[QUOTE="CwlHeddwyn"][QUOTE="fr3ddiemercury"] amd said "close to avatar graphics or something like that. Basically they will be close enough, just with some jaggies even at 1080p. But actual technical graphics can come close. AMD said this, they make the chips. I trust them more than any random system wars posterfr3ddiemercury
Forgive me for being skeptical but ill believe it when I see it.

Well, AMD doesn't lie to gamers. Maybe sony and microsoft....but AMD said this and I trust them

Yeah... I mean what reason could AMD have for spouting lies... I can't imagine a single reason...... oh wait, $.

stock-illustration-21071573-dollar-sign-

Unless you believe companies don't lie (bend the truth) for something like MONEY!

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[QUOTE="Tessellation"]yeah avatar graphics.... just like sony toy story graphics,4D, graphics and dual TV support at 120FPS.youpieceopoo
lol toy story released in 1995 still no games cant do the same style of graphics in realtime.

Someone could make a game with Toy Story 1 visuals quite easily with hardware thats available on the PC today.

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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"] He's been doing this for the past few days. fr3ddiemercury

Yeah I've noticed that.

Yep I know nothing. AMD say 720 will have near avatar graphics. Yet, you guys say it will not have that. Seems you guys are so smart, and know more about 720 than the actual chipmaker themself. Amazing.

You can't have Avatar level graphics that are rendered in real time. The hardware is too weak. You are an idiot to believe every word of a press release.
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#98 SonySoldier-_-
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This kid sher is going to be disssapointed with power expectaions that high for 720.

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It's Quad GPU's.
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[QUOTE="youpieceopoo"][QUOTE="Tessellation"]yeah avatar graphics.... just like sony toy story graphics,4D, graphics and dual TV support at 120FPS.moistsandwich

lol toy story released in 1995 still no games cant do the same style of graphics in realtime.

Someone could make a game with Toy Story 1 visuals quite easily with hardware thats available on the PC today.

nah the lighting wouldnt compare