Nightmares of a PC gamer

Are the mods back from christmas vaca yet? This is getting out of hand. Every PC thread has crap from people like this.

Jankarcop

Either they're still partying down south with hookers and blow from all the advertising and score money Activision paid them, or we really need to bring back the old ToU.

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

Everything.

You mean exactly how you respond? By ignoring evidence and replace it with your own, twisted reality that consists of being paranoid about absolutely everything?

You act as if you're worthy of looking at any of us PC gamers. Go scuttle back to your console trash.

ZombieKiller7

Yeah ok fattie

Go back to what you were doing.

MMOs and forum complaints were mentioned,.....

MMOs are always severely buggy at launch and people don't complain when they don't have issues.....

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

Arach666

Why would you post a picture of yourself Zombiekiller? Are you trying to compete with arbitor?

[QUOTE="Arach666"]

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

mitu123

Why would you post a picture of yourself Zombiekiller? Are you trying to compete with arbitor?

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="Arach666"]

Why would you post a picture of yourself Zombiekiller? Are you trying to compete with arbitor?

wis3boi

I find it interesting to see how Zombiekiller consistently avoids the points regarding the community. Places like Nexus thrive on the community, and the community feedback is integral to verifying the quality of downloads (on top of other measures).

I find it interesting to see how Zombiekiller consistently avoids the points regarding the community. Places like Nexus thrive on the community, and the community feedback is integral to verifying the quality of downloads (on top of other measures).

lundy86_4

I find it interesting to see how Zombiekiller consistently avoids the points regarding the community. Places like Nexus thrive on the community, and the community feedback is integral to verifying the quality of downloads (on top of other measures).

lundy86_4

It's pretty obvious now that he's trolling. First time i've seen him doing it. Kind of disappointed...

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

I find it interesting to see how Zombiekiller consistently avoids the points regarding the community. Places like Nexus thrive on the community, and the community feedback is integral to verifying the quality of downloads (on top of other measures).

wis3boi

Exactly. What a dumb-dumb :lol:

It's pretty obvious now that he's trolling. First time i've seen him doing it. Kind of disappointed...

el3m2tigre

Agreed. I wouldn't mind if he didn't just ignore everything stated and didn't continue to make assumption after assumption.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

I find it interesting to see how Zombiekiller consistently avoids the points regarding the community. Places like Nexus thrive on the community, and the community feedback is integral to verifying the quality of downloads (on top of other measures).

el3m2tigre

It's pretty obvious now that he's trolling. First time i've seen him doing it. Kind of disappointed...

It's ok guys, remember he's more homophobic than gay.

[QUOTE="wis3boi"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

I find it interesting to see how Zombiekiller consistently avoids the points regarding the community. Places like Nexus thrive on the community, and the community feedback is integral to verifying the quality of downloads (on top of other measures).

lundy86_4

Exactly. What a dumb-dumb :lol:

Say what you want,but he did managed to troll us good,warranted a lot of responses,few pages actually.Troll score:7.5/10...

When a site that hosts third-party content works well for a long time,without any controversies and malware problems,its obviously safe and reliable to use due to being well regulated,that is Logic 101,and by your logic,we should all stay away from every third party sites,so careful,Gamespot could also count as a third party site.Why are you posting here?

Sure,there are many sites around the Internet who are suspicious,and who I would never visit,but Internet 101 is to know how to identify and stay away from such sites,a thing I understood ever since I went on the Internet for the first time ever,many years ago.That's why I NEVER had any form of system/data compromising virus,and same could be probably said for most users here.Also,have you ever heard about anti-virus programs and firewalls?

Rocker6

If you want to know, nowhere is "safe", we as computer users take varying degrees of calculated risk to buy things, download things, use programs, post, etc etc, all of those activities carry a risk of some process or webpage or ad being hijacked and used against us.

Some people will go their whole life never being victims of fraud or ID theft, yet millions of people every year do.

The right way imo is compartmentalization.

Laptop, games-free productive workspace, games offloaded to a small device, etc.

There is zero reason for PC gaming, it exists just to exist.

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

When a site that hosts third-party content works well for a long time,without any controversies and malware problems,its obviously safe and reliable to use due to being well regulated,that is Logic 101,and by your logic,we should all stay away from every third party sites,so careful,Gamespot could also count as a third party site.Why are you posting here?

Sure,there are many sites around the Internet who are suspicious,and who I would never visit,but Internet 101 is to know how to identify and stay away from such sites,a thing I understood ever since I went on the Internet for the first time ever,many years ago.That's why I NEVER had any form of system/data compromising virus,and same could be probably said for most users here.Also,have you ever heard about anti-virus programs and firewalls?

ZombieKiller7

If you want to know, nowhere is "safe", we as computer users take varying degrees of calculated risk to buy things, download things, use programs, post, etc etc, all of those activities carry a risk of some process or webpage or ad being hijacked and used against us.

Some people will go their whole life never being victims of fraud or ID theft, yet millions of people every year do.

The right way imo is compartmentalization.

Laptop, games-free productive workspace, games offloaded to a small device, etc.

There is zero reason for PC gaming, it exists just to exist.

Zombie still trolling this thread?

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

When a site that hosts third-party content works well for a long time,without any controversies and malware problems,its obviously safe and reliable to use due to being well regulated,that is Logic 101,and by your logic,we should all stay away from every third party sites,so careful,Gamespot could also count as a third party site.Why are you posting here?

Sure,there are many sites around the Internet who are suspicious,and who I would never visit,but Internet 101 is to know how to identify and stay away from such sites,a thing I understood ever since I went on the Internet for the first time ever,many years ago.That's why I NEVER had any form of system/data compromising virus,and same could be probably said for most users here.Also,have you ever heard about anti-virus programs and firewalls?

ZombieKiller7

If you want to know, nowhere is "safe", we as computer users take varying degrees of calculated risk to buy things, download things, use programs, post, etc etc, all of those activities carry a risk of some process or webpage or ad being hijacked and used against us.

Some people will go their whole life never being victims of fraud or ID theft, yet millions of people every year do.

The right way imo is compartmentalization.

Laptop, games-free productive workspace, games offloaded to a small device, etc.

There is zero reason for PC gaming, it exists just to exist.

Since there is obviously no point in arguing with you,third party sites depend on community and will do their best to keep it which makes them in fact very safe,and you continue to deny that fact,so I had enough.Also,would be nice to provide some facts on those millions of infected PC users,but I don't really care anymore.But please,just explain this:"There is zero reason for PC gaming, it exists just to exist."

Why should console gaming exist then,what is its purpose,why is it worthy of existing more than PC?

If you want to know, nowhere is "safe", we as computer users take varying degrees of calculated risk to buy things, download things, use programs, post, etc etc, all of those activities carry a risk of some process or webpage or ad being hijacked and used against us.

ZombieKiller7

It was proven last year how console networks have the same risk,only its much more dangerous than PC attacks,since in console case,the whole network gets brought down for some time,and personal info gets stolen.Hackers won't go after smaller third-party sites,they aren't imporatant enough,but will gladly go after big corporations,especially ones like MS and Sony.Also,if you have problem with ads,AdBlock+ says hi...

Or maybe,AdBlock+ is a nasty malware that puts backdoors on your PC :lol:

Since there is obviously no point in arguing with you,third party sites depend on community and will do their best to keep it which makes them in fact very safe,and you continue to deny that fact,so I had enough.Also,would be nice to provide some facts on those millions of infected PC users,but I don't really care anymore.But please,just explain this:"There is zero reason for PC gaming, it exists just to exist."

Why should console gaming exist then,what is its purpose,why is it worthy of existing more than PC?

Rocker6

I know that community sites do their best to secure themselves.

Data is inherently unsecure and unsecurable.

The purpose of consoles is as an entertainment appliance.

PC gaming is an outgrowth of PC use in general.

People had PC's in their homes, and learned that you could also play games on it.

Where PC ownership in general becomes outdated, impractical, replaced by a device that fits in your suit jacket, its outgrowths, including "PC gaming" also take a nose-dive, as fewer and fewer people have a full-size PC in the home.

An activity that more or less everyone used to do (game on the PC) becomes relegated to the hardcore few who keep the practice alive.

Sort of like people who still listen to their music on vinyl (because it really does sound better) while everyone else moves on to iPods.

My 2 cents

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

Since there is obviously no point in arguing with you,third party sites depend on community and will do their best to keep it which makes them in fact very safe,and you continue to deny that fact,so I had enough.Also,would be nice to provide some facts on those millions of infected PC users,but I don't really care anymore.But please,just explain this:"There is zero reason for PC gaming, it exists just to exist."

Why should console gaming exist then,what is its purpose,why is it worthy of existing more than PC?

ZombieKiller7

I know that community sites do their best to secure themselves.

Data is inherently unsecure and unsecurable.

The purpose of consoles is as an entertainment appliance.

PC gaming is an outgrowth of PC use in general.

People had PC's in their homes, and learned that you could also play games on it.

Where PC ownership in general becomes outdated, impractical, replaced by a device that fits in your suit jacket, its outgrowths, including "PC gaming" also take a nose-dive, as fewer and fewer people have a full-size PC in the home.

An activity that more or less everyone used to do (game on the PC) becomes relegated to the hardcore few who keep the practice alive.

Sort of like people who still listen to their music on vinyl (because it really does sound better) while everyone else moves on to iPods.

My 2 cents

You are entitled to your opinion,but I disagree.PC can provide all forms of entertainment as consoles,all of them it does even better,especially gaming.Also,we can't really call the PC community "hardcore few",PC gaming is quite healthy,there is a lot of money in it,there are strong DD services like Steam,and strong market for new hardware.Also,the PC as a platform is showing signs of growth lately...

And I simply don't see PCs replaced by tablets and such anytime soon.They are a different kind of market than desktop and laptop PCs,and aren't exactly in competition...

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

If you want to know, nowhere is "safe", we as computer users take varying degrees of calculated risk to buy things, download things, use programs, post, etc etc, all of those activities carry a risk of some process or webpage or ad being hijacked and used against us.

Rocker6

It was proven last year how console networks have the same risk,only its much more dangerous than PC attacks,since in console case,the whole network gets brought down for some time,and personal info gets stolen.Hackers won't go after smaller third-party sites,they aren't imporatant enough,but will gladly go after big corporations,especially ones like MS and Sony.Also,if you have problem with ads,AdBlock+ says hi...

Or maybe,AdBlock+ is a nasty malware that puts backdoors on your PC :lol:

If a console company gets hacked, it really doesn't affect me.

I have no personal information on there.

Your understanding about malware and the how/why of it is faulty.

Hacking is a hobby. Fraud is an industry.

Small websites use ad agencies that tell them what to display.

Even if you can't see the ad, it can still collect information about you.

The secure computer has yet to be invented, and probably never will be.

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

If you want to know, nowhere is "safe", we as computer users take varying degrees of calculated risk to buy things, download things, use programs, post, etc etc, all of those activities carry a risk of some process or webpage or ad being hijacked and used against us.

ZombieKiller7

It was proven last year how console networks have the same risk,only its much more dangerous than PC attacks,since in console case,the whole network gets brought down for some time,and personal info gets stolen.Hackers won't go after smaller third-party sites,they aren't imporatant enough,but will gladly go after big corporations,especially ones like MS and Sony.Also,if you have problem with ads,AdBlock+ says hi...

Or maybe,AdBlock+ is a nasty malware that puts backdoors on your PC :lol:

If a console company gets hacked, it really doesn't affect me.

I have no personal information on there.

Your understanding about malware and the how/why of it is faulty.

Hacking is a hobby. Fraud is an industry.

Small websites use ad agencies that tell them what to display.

Even if you can't see the ad, it can still collect information about you.

The secure computer has yet to be invented, and probably never will be.

Since this discussion has gone long enough,can we just agree how NO network can in fact ever be secure?

We are really getting nowhere,there is a risk everywhere,be it hackers or something else,that is how on-line works,and I have accepted its risks.Nothing to be said anymore,really...

You are entitled to your opinion,but I disagree.PC can provide all forms of entertainment as consoles,all of them it does even better,especially gaming.Also,we can't really call the PC community "hardcore few",PC gaming is quite healthy,there is a lot of money in it,there are strong DD services like Steam,and strong market for new hardware.Also,the PC as a platform is showing signs of growth lately.

Rocker6

We will have to agree to disagree on this point.

You have PC gaming which takes time, effort and money (it's a hobby, you don't just "buy one" you have to understand the hardware you are buying)

vs a device you can buy for $199 at Walmart, works out of the box, plays most of the same games, vastly more convenient, lower cost of ownership, vastly better online component, the best selling game franchises you can't play anywhere else, AND you don't have to keep upgrading it every few years.

Not to mention you can now throw that 40 pound iron box in the trash, and get a sleek laptop for your desk, and not have to upgrade it until it literally stops working.

Better results, lower cost, better lifestyle.

Basically the only "PC gaming" argument is "better graphics." But those get better with each generation and you just get used to it.

And I simply don't see PCs replaced by tablets and such anytime soon.They are a different kind of market than desktop and laptop PCs,and aren't exactly in competition...

Rocker6

(CBS News)

In our increasingly smartphone-and-tablet computing-centric world, one of the computer engineers who helped design IBM's first personal computer, has made it official: The PC is dead.

Thirty years ago, Mark Dean was part of the original team that helped usher in a personal computing revolution when Big Blue announced its PC. On the anniversary of that seminal announcement, Dean said it is time to move beyond the PC.

"My primary computer now is a tablet. When I helped design the PC, I didn't think I'd live long enough to witness its decline," Dean, nowadays the chief technology officer for IBM Middle East and Africa, wrote on a company blog. "But, while PCs will continue to be much-used devices, they're no longer at the leading edge of computing. They're going the way of the vacuum tube, typewriter, vinyl records, CRT and incandescent light bulbs."

Taking note of recent changes reworking the contours of the tech landscape, Dean observed that while PCs are getting replaced, the interesting development action now centers around mobile hardware and social networking connections.

"These days, it's becoming clear that innovation flourishes best not on devices but in the social spaces between them, where people and ideas meet and interact. It is there that computing can have the most powerful impact on economy, society and people's lives," he wrote.

For IBM, which this year celebrates its centenary, Dean's apercu isn't likely to spark much controversy within the company's corridors. Starting when Lou Gerstner took over as CEO in 1993, Big Blue progressively reduced its reliance on PC-related sales in favor of software and services to the point where it eventually sold its PC business to Lenovo Group in 2004.

Source : http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/08/12/scitech/main20091788.shtml

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

You are entitled to your opinion,but I disagree.PC can provide all forms of entertainment as consoles,all of them it does even better,especially gaming.Also,we can't really call the PC community "hardcore few",PC gaming is quite healthy,there is a lot of money in it,there are strong DD services like Steam,and strong market for new hardware.Also,the PC as a platform is showing signs of growth lately.

ZombieKiller7

We will have to agree to disagree on this point.

You have PC gaming which takes time, effort and money (it's a hobby, you don't just "buy one" you have to understand the hardware you are buying)

vs a device you can buy for $199 at Walmart, works out of the box, plays most of the same games, vastly more convenient, lower cost of ownership, vastly better online component, the best selling game franchises you can't play anywhere else, AND you don't have to keep upgrading it every few years.

Not to mention you can now throw that 40 pound iron box in the trash, and get a sleek laptop for your desk, and not have to upgrade it until it literally stops working.

Better results, lower cost, better lifestyle.

Basically the only "PC gaming" argument is "better graphics." But those get better with each generation and you just get used to it.

We'll have to agree to disagree on many things,Also,laptops looking sleeker and better and calling them better lifestyle is subjective,laptops that can provide the same performance as my desktop PC would be much,much more expensive,so in my case,and in case of many PC gamers lower cost and better results argument is incorrect.Also my desktop PC gives me more upgrading headroom,customizability,etc,while on most laptops,Im stuck with what I buy,and can't do anything about it...

There is more to PC gaming than better graphics.There is more customizability in the ways you game(ability to plug your PC to a HDTV,to use all sorts of controllers),mods which can greatly extend and improve games,cheaper games and Steam sales that can make PC gaming very profitable in the long run,generally more mature on-line communities,full backward compatibility...

But yeah,its all a matter of choice.Game on what you like the best,what else can be said.For me,that's a PC,and its staying PC...

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

And I simply don't see PCs replaced by tablets and such anytime soon.They are a different kind of market than desktop and laptop PCs,and aren't exactly in competition...

ZombieKiller7

(CBS News)

In our increasingly smartphone-and-tablet computing-centric world, one of the computer engineers who helped design IBM's first personal computer, has made it official: The PC is dead.

Thirty years ago, Mark Dean was part of the original team that helped usher in a personal computing revolution when Big Blue announced its PC. On the anniversary of that seminal announcement, Dean said it is time to move beyond the PC.

"My primary computer now is a tablet. When I helped design the PC, I didn't think I'd live long enough to witness its decline," Dean, nowadays the chief technology officer for IBM Middle East and Africa, wrote on a company blog. "But, while PCs will continue to be much-used devices, they're no longer at the leading edge of computing. They're going the way of the vacuum tube, typewriter, vinyl records, CRT and incandescent light bulbs."

Taking note of recent changes reworking the contours of the tech landscape, Dean observed that while PCs are getting replaced, the interesting development action now centers around mobile hardware and social networking connections.

"These days, it's becoming clear that innovation flourishes best not on devices but in the social spaces between them, where people and ideas meet and interact. It is there that computing can have the most powerful impact on economy, society and people's lives," he wrote.

For IBM, which this year celebrates its centenary, Dean's apercu isn't likely to spark much controversy within the company's corridors. Starting when Lou Gerstner took over as CEO in 1993, Big Blue progressively reduced its reliance on PC-related sales in favor of software and services to the point where it eventually sold its PC business to Lenovo Group in 2004.

Source : http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/08/12/scitech/main20091788.shtml

A prediciton of a single man.Did you know Atari creator few months ago said how console era is coming to an end too?

We need to take all of their opinions with a grain of salt...

EDIT:Here you go,an Gamespot interview with Atari founder...

You have PC gaming which takes time, effort and money (it's a hobby, you don't just "buy one" you have to understand the hardware you are buying)

vs a device you can buy for $199 at Walmart, works out of the box, plays most of the same games, vastly more convenient, lower cost of ownership, vastly better online component, the best selling game franchises you can't play anywhere else, AND you don't have to keep upgrading it every few years.

Not to mention you can now throw that 40 pound iron box in the trash, and get a sleek laptop for your desk, and not have to upgrade it until it literally stops working.

Better results, lower cost, better lifestyle.

Basically the only "PC gaming" argument is "better graphics." But those get better with each generation and you just get used to it.

ZombieKiller7

Console gaming takes time, effort, and money. They're no longer gaming machines. They're multimedia devices. Do they support Netflix? Does it have teh Blu-Ray? Teh HDMI? Wireless? What else does it support? Weak argument is weak.

That device might fail and is completely barebone minimum. Does not work out of the box, still has setup. Will constantly remind you that you can't do anything without an XBL account. Not more convenient, since PC can do far more and far better. Vastly inferior online service that it charges for stuff that's free everywhere else. You can play each of those best selling franchises elsewhere. Actually you do, because either it has a slim model or it failed...again.

Why waste money on a laptop to be outdated in 2 years and barely able to play the latest games? "Sleek" :lol: No serious gaming laptop is sleek. Not to mention they have miniture stars inside of it, because of the massive heat they generate.

Worse results, higher cost in the end, worse investment.

>To the rest of SW. Seriously guys, stop pissing in his cereal. He's starting to get annoyed. Start taking a s**t in it instead because his reactions are hilarious.

Nightmares of a PC gamer

• Too many games to choose
• Steam keeps making awesome discounts and our money flies away from our wallets
• A community that is helpful as hell
• Those awesome mods that nobody likes
• A whole bunch of exclusives that nobody cares

P.S.: Irony was used on the production of this post.

Woah there, don't associate the PC community with a terrible game like that.

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

Since there is obviously no point in arguing with you,third party sites depend on community and will do their best to keep it which makes them in fact very safe,and you continue to deny that fact,so I had enough.Also,would be nice to provide some facts on those millions of infected PC users,but I don't really care anymore.But please,just explain this:"There is zero reason for PC gaming, it exists just to exist."

Why should console gaming exist then,what is its purpose,why is it worthy of existing more than PC?

ZombieKiller7

I know that community sites do their best to secure themselves.

Data is inherently unsecure and unsecurable.

The purpose of consoles is as an entertainment appliance.

PC gaming is an outgrowth of PC use in general.

People had PC's in their homes, and learned that you could also play games on it.

Where PC ownership in general becomes outdated, impractical, replaced by a device that fits in your suit jacket, its outgrowths, including "PC gaming" also take a nose-dive, as fewer and fewer people have a full-size PC in the home.

An activity that more or less everyone used to do (game on the PC) becomes relegated to the hardcore few who keep the practice alive.

Sort of like people who still listen to their music on vinyl (because it really does sound better) while everyone else moves on to iPods.

My 2 cents

While I (kinda) agree that we're likely to see a major change in how we use electronic devices in general and PC's in particular over the next decade or two, I'm not sure why this would be any different for consoles. Just like PC's are changing in size, shape and nature, why would anyone expect that consoles would fare any different. We're already fast approaching a point where cloud based gaming are making consoles obsolete. The processing power of mobile devices are growing at a rate that would make dedicated gaming machines pointless (why buy and x-box when you can game just as well by syncing your smart TV with your iPhone8.

Again, it's obviously all just speculation, but I suspect that we'll see dedicated gaming consoles disappear or change even faster than PC Gaming.

Basically the only "PC gaming" argument is "better graphics."

ZombieKiller7

You forgot a few

-Cheaper games with more deals.

-More exclusives than all 3 consoles combined (yeah, thats no thing major... :roll:)

-Better version of most multiplats, especially the good ones. (Skyrim/AC)

-Mods / better online in general

-Better performance. LOL 20-30fps and 1minute load times. (if gaming PC, which I assume we talk about in SW)

-Dolphins are cool, yeah I'm into animals. :cool:

These aren't "arguements", they are facts btw.

We'll have to agree to disagree on many things,Also,laptops looking sleeker and better and calling them better lifestyle is subjective,laptops that can provide the same performance as my desktop PC would be much,much more expensive,so in my case,and in case of many PC gamers lower cost and better results argument is incorrect.Also my desktop PC gives me more upgrading headroom,customizability,etc,while on most laptops,Im stuck with what I buy,and can't do anything about it...

Rocker6

I wasn't suggesting you use the laptop for gaming.

The laptop is for your desk. For work.

There is more to PC gaming than better graphics.There is more customizability in the ways you game(ability to plug your PC to a HDTV,to use all sorts of controllers),mods which can greatly extend and improve games,cheaper games and Steam sales that can make PC gaming very profitable in the long run,generally more mature on-line communities,full backward compatibility...

But yeah,its all a matter of choice.Game on what you like the best,what else can be said.For me,that's a PC,and its staying PC...

Rocker6

Yeah, no, graphics is the sum total of PC gaming.

PC hardware industry is a scam.

Yeah, no, graphics is the sum total of PC gaming.

ZombieKiller7

Is it a bad thing that people care about graphics?

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

We'll have to agree to disagree on many things,Also,laptops looking sleeker and better and calling them better lifestyle is subjective,laptops that can provide the same performance as my desktop PC would be much,much more expensive,so in my case,and in case of many PC gamers lower cost and better results argument is incorrect.Also my desktop PC gives me more upgrading headroom,customizability,etc,while on most laptops,Im stuck with what I buy,and can't do anything about it...

ZombieKiller7

I wasn't suggesting you use the laptop for gaming.

The laptop is for your desk. For work.

There is more to PC gaming than better graphics.There is more customizability in the ways you game(ability to plug your PC to a HDTV,to use all sorts of controllers),mods which can greatly extend and improve games,cheaper games and Steam sales that can make PC gaming very profitable in the long run,generally more mature on-line communities,full backward compatibility...

But yeah,its all a matter of choice.Game on what you like the best,what else can be said.For me,that's a PC,and its staying PC...

Rocker6

Yeah, no, graphics is the sum total of PC gaming.

PC hardware industry is a scam.

The laptop is for your desk. For work.

ZombieKiller7

While I (kinda) agree that we're likely to see a major change in how we use electronic devices in general and PC's in particular over the next decade or two, I'm not sure why this would be any different for consoles. Just like PC's are changing in size, shape and nature, why would anyone expect that consoles would fare any different. We're already fast approaching a point where cloud based gaming are making consoles obsolete. The processing power of mobile devices are growing at a rate that would make dedicated gaming machines pointless (why buy and x-box when you can game just as well by syncing your smart TV with your iPhone8.

Again, it's obviously all just speculation, but I suspect that we'll see dedicated gaming consoles disappear or change even faster than PC Gaming.

Mazoch

Well yeah, obviously the whole thing evolves.

I wouldn't buy a console expecting anything other than its planned 6-7 year life cycle.

Then I'd be using another device. Maybe another console, maybe another type of "computer", maybe a handheld device like a tablet.

To folks like me who are flexible and not as emotionally invested, I'll use whatever tickles my fancy.

To folks hanging onto the PC horse-and-buggy days, the future is going to be much more painful.

The troll ignored my ultimate list, I'm so cool :cool:

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

And I simply don't see PCs replaced by tablets and such anytime soon.They are a different kind of market than desktop and laptop PCs,and aren't exactly in competition...

ZombieKiller7

(CBS News)

In our increasingly smartphone-and-tablet computing-centric world, one of the computer engineers who helped design IBM's first personal computer, has made it official: The PC is dead.

Thirty years ago, Mark Dean was part of the original team that helped usher in a personal computing revolution when Big Blue announced its PC. On the anniversary of that seminal announcement, Dean said it is time to move beyond the PC.

"My primary computer now is a tablet. When I helped design the PC, I didn't think I'd live long enough to witness its decline," Dean, nowadays the chief technology officer for IBM Middle East and Africa, wrote on a company blog. "But, while PCs will continue to be much-used devices, they're no longer at the leading edge of computing. They're going the way of the vacuum tube, typewriter, vinyl records, CRT and incandescent light bulbs."

Taking note of recent changes reworking the contours of the tech landscape, Dean observed that while PCs are getting replaced, the interesting development action now centers around mobile hardware and social networking connections.

"These days, it's becoming clear that innovation flourishes best not on devices but in the social spaces between them, where people and ideas meet and interact. It is there that computing can have the most powerful impact on economy, society and people's lives," he wrote.

For IBM, which this year celebrates its centenary, Dean's apercu isn't likely to spark much controversy within the company's corridors. Starting when Lou Gerstner took over as CEO in 1993, Big Blue progressively reduced its reliance on PC-related sales in favor of software and services to the point where it eventually sold its PC business to Lenovo Group in 2004.

Source : http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/08/12/scitech/main20091788.shtml

IBM was kicked out of PC desktop hardware business along time ago.

Note to IBM, PowerPC's main rival in embedded space is ARM.

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

Yeah, no, graphics is the sum total of PC gaming.

el3m2tigre

Is it a bad thing that people care about graphics?

Only if you care to the point where you would write off whole libraries of games, just because it won't run on your l33t system.

Or when you would say something like "Well if my friends are playing on an inferior system, then I don't need them." (which is an actual quote by a hermit)

Basically, if you care about graphics more than anything else, then to me that's dickish.

[QUOTE="el3m2tigre"]

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

Yeah, no, graphics is the sum total of PC gaming.

ZombieKiller7

Is it a bad thing that people care about graphics?

Only if you care to the point where you would write off whole libraries of games, just because it won't run on your l33t system.

Or when you would say something like "Well if my friends are playing on an inferior system, then I don't need them." (which is an actual quote by a hermit)

Basically, if you care about graphics more than anything else, then to me that's dickish.

PC gaming is just too expensive for everyone except the sultan of brunei. Evo_nine

No issues here in 60 hours that ive played.. no lag no crashes..

[QUOTE="el3m2tigre"]

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

Yeah, no, graphics is the sum total of PC gaming.

ZombieKiller7

Is it a bad thing that people care about graphics?

Only if you care to the point where you would write off whole libraries of games, just because it won't run on your l33t system.

Or when you would say something like "Well if my friends are playing on an inferior system, then I don't need them." (which is an actual quote by a hermit)

Basically, if you care about graphics more than anything else, then to me that's dickish.

Many console gamers always claiming how PC gamers only care about graphics and how they are nothing but graphic whores,and will dismiss any game not looking good enough...

In the meantime,in a thread far away on SW:

"Uncharted 3 haz teh better graphiks than Gears of War 3"

"Nuuuuh,Gears of War 3 has a bit better lighting effects"

"Nope,UC3 has a bit better rock textures and runs 1FPS faster than Gears of War 3"

Saw many threads like that.PC gamers being graphic whores is a dumb generalization...

Take the best PC at the time in 2005 try and play battlefield 3 and compare it to an xbox 360 playing battlefield 3. Which will look and play better?? Consoles will always be cheaper and have a much longer life than any pc. Keep in mind that PC in 2005 would of cost over $3k most likely. PC gaming is just too expensive for everyone except the sultan of brunei. Evo_nine

You never had to spend $3000 for a high end gaming PC. It's not true now, and it wasen't true in 2005.

wis3boi

Join the fun :P

Its a good troll ;)