Nightmares of a PC gamer

[QUOTE="Evo_nine"]Take the best PC at the time in 2005 try and play battlefield 3 and compare it to an xbox 360 playing battlefield 3. Which will look and play better?? Consoles will always be cheaper and have a much longer life than any pc. Keep in mind that PC in 2005 would of cost over $3k most likely. PC gaming is just too expensive for everyone except the sultan of brunei. Mazoch

You never had to spend $3000 for a high end gaming PC. It's not true now, and it wasen't true in 2005.

You forgot a few

-Cheaper games with more deals.

-More exclusives than all 3 consoles combined (yeah, thats no thing major... :roll:)

-Better version of most multiplats, especially the good ones. (Skyrim/AC)

-Mods / better online in general

-Better performance. LOL 20-30fps and 1minute load times. (if gaming PC, which I assume we talk about in SW)

-Dolphins are cool, yeah I'm into animals. :cool:

These aren't "arguements", they are facts btw.

Jankarcop

- Nope. Secondary market. Ebay. Weekly specials and price drops. MMO's are a scam. Steam = DRM + ad spam

- Anything good goes to consoles to make money. PC "exclusives" are games for which there is not enough demand to justify a console port.

- Falls under "graphics"

- Mods ok but most of em suck. Better online? No, most games full of hackers, no centralized social area to meet up, Steam social features suck

- Falls under "graphics"

Face it, PC is an obsolete platform that's hanging on for dear life.

Hermits are people who only care about graphics to the exclusion of everything else, including their own fun.

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

The laptop is for your desk. For work.

DigitalExile

[QUOTE="Mazoch"]

[QUOTE="Evo_nine"]Take the best PC at the time in 2005 try and play battlefield 3 and compare it to an xbox 360 playing battlefield 3. Which will look and play better?? Consoles will always be cheaper and have a much longer life than any pc. Keep in mind that PC in 2005 would of cost over $3k most likely. PC gaming is just too expensive for everyone except the sultan of brunei. Evo_nine

You never had to spend $3000 for a high end gaming PC. It's not true now, and it wasen't true in 2005.

Many console gamers always claiming how PC gamers only care about graphics and how they are nothing but graphic whores,and will dismiss any game not looking good enough...

In the meantime,in a thread far away on SW:

"Uncharted 3 haz teh better graphiks than Gears of War 3"

"Nuuuuh,Gears of War 3 has a bit better lighting effects"

"Nope,UC3 has a bit better rock textures and runs 1FPS faster than Gears of War 3"

Saw many threads like that.PC gamers being graphic whores is a dumb generalization...

Rocker6

360 to Wii gamer : Lol wii sucks, weak graphics lololol

360 to PC gamer : You guys only care about graphics, what about fun?

Wii to 360 gamer : You guys only care about graphics, what about fun?

But if we ignore the double-standards, it's true isn't it?

[QUOTE="Iantheone"][QUOTE="Evo_nine"] Well how much would you put aside for the TOP OF THE RANGE computer today. Would it be more than $800? Also would that PC in 2005 even be able to play battlefield 3 today?? probably not lol Evo_nine

So, add the launch price of $400 and you're just shy of $1000. It's cheaper than building two separate gaming PC's but not thousands cheaper. Start your calculations a few years earlier (the additional cost of a first gen Xbox or PlayStation) or later and it becomes even closer. Bottom line, yeah gaming PC's cost more but the difference is not astronomical nearly as high as you seem to think. And that without taking into account that you're likely to have to pay for a PC for regular day to day usage.

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

Many console gamers always claiming how PC gamers only care about graphics and how they are nothing but graphic whores,and will dismiss any game not looking good enough...

In the meantime,in a thread far away on SW:

"Uncharted 3 haz teh better graphiks than Gears of War 3"

"Nuuuuh,Gears of War 3 has a bit better lighting effects"

"Nope,UC3 has a bit better rock textures and runs 1FPS faster than Gears of War 3"

Saw many threads like that.PC gamers being graphic whores is a dumb generalization...

ZombieKiller7

360 to Wii gamer : Lol wii sucks, weak graphics lololol

360 to PC gamer : You guys only care about graphics, what about fun?

Wii to 360 gamer : You guys only care about graphics, what about fun?

But if we ignore the double-standards, it's true isn't it?

In graphics debates,always a lot of double standard,the fact is,gamers like to fight over graphics,and always try to find a weakness in any system.As a PC gamer though,I like superior graphics of PC,won't deny that,but do I consider games who don't have top of the line graphics bad or something?

NO,in fact I love playing many old games on my PC.Backwards compatibility FTW!

Do I consider console gamers somehow lower than me because I have stronger hardware?

NO,why would I?

Take the best PC at the time in 2005 try and play battlefield 3 and compare it to an xbox 360 playing battlefield 3. Which will look and play better?? Consoles will always be cheaper and have a much longer life than any pc. Keep in mind that PC in 2005 would of cost over $3k most likely. PC gaming is just too expensive for everyone except the sultan of brunei. Evo_nine

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It has more than enough performance to cover the highest WiiU 's Radeon HD 4870 R700 variant and next-gen Taito Type X 3 arcade games machine (with Radeon HD 6770).

In graphics debates,always a lot of double standard,the fact is,gamers like to fight over graphics,and always try to find a weakness in any system.As a PC gamer though,I like superior graphics of PC,won't deny that,but do I consider games who don't have top of the line graphics bad or something?

NO,in fact I love playing many old games on my PC.Backwards compatibility FTW!

Do I consider console gamers somehow lower than me because I have stronger hardware?

NO,why would I?

Rocker6

You are awesome.

I'm gonna bow out because I don't wanna argue with you.

Just my 2 cents, my opinion so far

Even I myself am not sure what the future holds, or what is the right direction

I debate with myself at the same time I debate with you and others

For right this minute, I'm having fun on consoles

Maybe someday that will change

Either way it's nice talking to you.

[QUOTE="Iantheone"][QUOTE="Evo_nine"] Well how much would you put aside for the TOP OF THE RANGE computer today. Would it be more than $800? Also would that PC in 2005 even be able to play battlefield 3 today?? probably not lol Evo_nine

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

In graphics debates,always a lot of double standard,the fact is,gamers like to fight over graphics,and always try to find a weakness in any system.As a PC gamer though,I like superior graphics of PC,won't deny that,but do I consider games who don't have top of the line graphics bad or something?

NO,in fact I love playing many old games on my PC.Backwards compatibility FTW!

Do I consider console gamers somehow lower than me because I have stronger hardware?

NO,why would I?

ZombieKiller7

You are awesome.

I'm gonna bow out because I don't wanna argue with you.

Just my 2 cents, my opinion so far

Even I myself am not sure what the future holds, or what is the right direction

I debate with myself at the same time I debate with you and others

For right this minute, I'm having fun on consoles

Maybe someday that will change

Either way it's nice talking to you.

Well,thank you...I guess?

Have a nice day ;)

Yeah but i was referring to the ultimate gaming machine in the year 2005 to compete with xbox 360. If you PC wants to compete with the ps4/xbox720 you will need the best of the best i imagine. Just like you did in 2005. Evo_nine

[QUOTE="Mazoch"]

While I (kinda) agree that we're likely to see a major change in how we use electronic devices in general and PC's in particular over the next decade or two, I'm not sure why this would be any different for consoles. Just like PC's are changing in size, shape and nature, why would anyone expect that consoles would fare any different. We're already fast approaching a point where cloud based gaming are making consoles obsolete. The processing power of mobile devices are growing at a rate that would make dedicated gaming machines pointless (why buy and x-box when you can game just as well by syncing your smart TV with your iPhone8.

Again, it's obviously all just speculation, but I suspect that we'll see dedicated gaming consoles disappear or change even faster than PC Gaming.

ZombieKiller7

Well yeah, obviously the whole thing evolves.

I wouldn't buy a console expecting anything other than its planned 6-7 year life cycle.

Then I'd be using another device. Maybe another console, maybe another type of "computer", maybe a handheld device like a tablet.

To folks like me who are flexible and not as emotionally invested, I'll use whatever tickles my fancy.

To folks hanging onto the PC horse-and-buggy days, the future is going to be much more painful.

I think one of the best pieces I've seen on this is this by Extra Credit. while it's mainly refering to consoles, most of the arguments would fit PC's as well:

penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/consoles-are-the-new-coin-op

Yeah but i was referring to the ultimate gaming machine in the year 2005 to compete with xbox 360. If you PC wants to compete with the ps4/xbox720 you will need the best of the best i imagine. Just like you did in 2005. To be honest i have lost touch with PC gaming, i was looking at getting back in before next gen but seeing the latest and greatest graphics card retailing for $1000 scared me off. Evo_nine

You dont have to buy the best. You dont have to play at max settings for games to still look better and perform better than consoles. This concept seems to be beyond most console gamers >.>

My 4890 that I bought way back in 2010 for like $200 is still running pretty much every game (With BF3 being the rare exception) at max/high DX10 settings. I upgraded from a computer built in 2004 that was still running current games in late 2009. I only upgraded because I wanted to play L4D2 at max settings 60+ FPS.

Yeah but i was referring to the ultimate gaming machine in the year 2005 to compete with xbox 360. If you PC wants to compete with the ps4/xbox720 you will need the best of the best i imagine. Just like you did in 2005. To be honest i have lost touch with PC gaming, i was looking at getting back in before next gen but seeing the latest and greatest graphics card retailing for $1000 scared me off.

Evo_nine

Unless there's a revolution in GPU design e.g. unified shaders vs non-unified shaders, its unlikely we'll see another Xbox 360's Xenos tech gap.

MS's new C++ AMP software environment runs on top of DX11's Compute Shader 5.0 while AMD GCN has hardware C++ support i.e. AMD GCN already exceeds MS latest C++ AMP software environment.

Ultimately, thermals and PCB cost would limit the ps4/xbox720 consoles. Microsoft pushed GPU tech a little too far for console size box and resulted with the infamous RROD.

The point reference for ps4/xbox720 would be NVIDIA G71 thermals characteristics i.e. RSX is based on G71 GPU design and G71was able to be built into single slot GPU card e.g. Geforce 7900 GT.

Atm, Radeon HD 6770 or 6850 can be built with single slot GPU card design.

In theory, Radeon HD 7770 can be built into single slot GPU card design.

Both Sony and MS cut-down the PCB cost by using 128bit external video memory bus. Current mid-range PC GPUs are still in 128bit external video memory bus.

[QUOTE="el3m2tigre"]

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

Yeah, no, graphics is the sum total of PC gaming.

ZombieKiller7

Is it a bad thing that people care about graphics?

Only if you care to the point where you would write off whole libraries of games, just because it won't run on your l33t system.

Or when you would say something like "Well if my friends are playing on an inferior system, then I don't need them." (which is an actual quote by a hermit)

Basically, if you care about graphics more than anything else, then to me that's dickish.

I personally have a PS3 for the exclusives/console exclusives. I own a PC for multiplats/exclusives. I care about graphics when i play on a PC. I don't care much about it when i play on consoles. If you think that's dickish, well i really don't give a damn.

[QUOTE="HipHopBeats"]

[QUOTE="percech"]Lol that thread of the guy complaining how he can't even play the game because the servers are always full. MMOs are a scam.Nanomage

I agree. Paying for a game should be enough. Paying to play something you paid for is ludicrous.

mmos 15+$ everymonth for one game

xbl 5$ a month :lol: for any game i wish to play

[QUOTE="Nanomage"]

[QUOTE="HipHopBeats"]

I agree. Paying for a game should be enough. Paying to play something you paid for is ludicrous.

almasdeathchild

mmos 15+$ everymonth for one game

xbl 5$ a month :lol: for any game i wish to play

Paying $5 doesn't exactly let you play 'any game you wish to play'. All it does is charge you for the privileged of playing online. You know.. what PC Gamers, PlayStation Gamers and Wii gamers get for free.

When you pay for an MMO, at least you get access to game content that you couldn't get for free on other platforms.

[QUOTE="almasdeathchild"]

[QUOTE="Nanomage"] I hope you don´t pay for xbox live then. ;)

Mazoch

mmos 15+$ everymonth for one game

xbl 5$ a month :lol: for any game i wish to play

Paying $5 doesn't exactly let you play 'any game you wish to play'. All it does is charge you for the privileged of playing online. You know.. what PC Gamers, PlayStation Gamers and Wii gamers get for free.

When you pay for an MMO, at least you get access to game content that you couldn't get for free on other platforms.

[QUOTE="Mazoch"]

[QUOTE="almasdeathchild"]lawl

mmos 15+$ everymonth for one game

xbl 5$ a month :lol: for any game i wish to play

almasdeathchild

Paying $5 doesn't exactly let you play 'any game you wish to play'. All it does is charge you for the privileged of playing online. You know.. what PC Gamers, PlayStation Gamers and Wii gamers get for free.

When you pay for an MMO, at least you get access to game content that you couldn't get for free on other platforms.

No, it doesn't get you netflix, HBO and so on. You have to pay netflix and HBO for their service. You just pay extra for the privilege to access those services through your x-box. Netflix doesn't cost extra on your PC or your PS3 or your Wii.

So in other words, you think you're getting a great deal from MS.. they let you pay for what everyone else gets for free. And you think MMO's are a scam?!

[QUOTE="almasdeathchild"]

[QUOTE="Mazoch"]

Paying $5 doesn't exactly let you play 'any game you wish to play'. All it does is charge you for the privileged of playing online. You know.. what PC Gamers, PlayStation Gamers and Wii gamers get for free.

When you pay for an MMO, at least you get access to game content that you couldn't get for free on other platforms.

Mazoch

No, it doesn't get you netflix, HBO and so on. You have to pay netflix and HBO for their service. You just pay extra for the privilege to access those services through your x-box. Netflix doesn't cost extra on your PC or your PS3 or your Wii.

So in other words, you think you're getting a great deal from MS.. they let you pay for what everyone else gets for free. And you think MMO's are a scam?!

[QUOTE="Mazoch"]

[QUOTE="almasdeathchild"]5$ gets me zune play with celebs(idk if they still do that) netflix youtube hbo ufc and alot of online play.:o did you know free isnt always better :o oh snap. though alot of pc games being free is no argument alot of those games are kickass.but ps3 blows online and im not even ganna touche the wii :lol:

almasdeathchild

No, it doesn't get you netflix, HBO and so on. You have to pay netflix and HBO for their service. You just pay extra for the privilege to access those services through your x-box. Netflix doesn't cost extra on your PC or your PS3 or your Wii.

So in other words, you think you're getting a great deal from MS.. they let you pay for what everyone else gets for free. And you think MMO's are a scam?!

[QUOTE="almasdeathchild"]

[QUOTE="Mazoch"]

No, it doesn't get you netflix, HBO and so on. You have to pay netflix and HBO for their service. You just pay extra for the privilege to access those services through your x-box. Netflix doesn't cost extra on your PC or your PS3 or your Wii.

So in other words, you think you're getting a great deal from MS.. they let you pay for what everyone else gets for free. And you think MMO's are a scam?!

Mazoch

[QUOTE="Mazoch"][QUOTE="almasdeathchild"]where did i say scam???even if ps3 gets that stuff for free.it's online is still terrible. sadly if people wanna complain about 5$ for a good online oh well.

almasdeathchild

MMO's are great for people who want to play them. I can't see myself paying a monthly fee to play a game I already paid for. Just my two pennies.

[QUOTE="almasdeathchild"][QUOTE="Mazoch"] I stand corrected. It wasn't you (it was 'HipHopBeats') and he said ludicrous, not scam. My mistake.HipHopBeats

MMO's are great for people who want to play them. I can't see myself paying a monthly fee to play a game I already paid for. Just my two pennies.

Sounds like Skyrim on ps3, only they had to wait weeks and the problems were worse, oh and it was GOTY.

Sucks having to miss out on the GOTY.

[QUOTE="HipHopBeats"]

[QUOTE="almasdeathchild"]Ah no biggie dudewis3boi

MMO's are great for people who want to play them. I can't see myself paying a monthly fee to play a game I already paid for. Just my two pennies.

It would probably be an even better reason to pay if you could at least play an SP campaign offline with MMO's since you have to actually purchase a copy before signing up to play. I realize the purpose of MMO is MP but with all the money you spend just on one game, devs should include other options unless some MMO's allow you to still enjoy the game without a monthly fee.

That $$$ is for more content and keeping up the huge servers.

Combine all the yearly CoD rehashes and the DLC for each, and it ends up being just as much - but far more rehashy.