Ninja Gaiden 2 vs Sigma 2

Ninja Gaiden 2 is far superior for the blood alone. Ninja Gaiden sigma 2 is great for those that have no choice.

I'm getting both versions in the future. I found the original Sigma's levels a little bit off compared to the remade sections, and it kinda looks like it's going to be the same here.

While NG2 wasn't all that polished, i'm pretty sure Itagaki omitted features for certain reasons. I want to talk about the co-op in this light. I don't know about other people, but as a NG fan, I've never felt co-op was an essential, much less highly sought after feature for Ninja Gaiden. I always felt Ninja Gaiden was a game that hailed back to the old school arcade vibe where you're out to beat the leaderboards while not getting obliterated in the process; it would not be the game that includes 16-player deathmatch or any other "standard" feature in current-gen video games.

So with Itagaki out of Tecmo's way, they've managed to include co-op oh-so effortlessly. Honestly, it looks tacked on to me. Looks mad fun to the casual gamer or even slight action fan, but meh, doesn't look like it's totally mindblowing. I think the only reason I'm going to get this game is because of Ayane and Momiji i.e purely in canonical interest. No doubt my brother will dig it for the co-op stuff though.

FrozenLiquid

I agree about the co-op. NG is a solo game plain and simple, its like having co-op in God of War. And you lose the sense of accomplishment you usually get when completing a NG game on your own. Though I have to admitto wonder what would it be like to have a 1 v 1 deathmatch with another player. In Black you fought a fiend version of yourself and it worked surprisingly well.

Ninja Gaiden 2 is far superior for the blood alone. Ninja Gaiden sigma 2 is great for those that have no choice.

sexy_robot_man

I cant believe sony fanboys are using Ninja Gaiden to prove PS3 "superiority"! So, 1 multiplat where PS3 had an extra year of development is the prove that PS3 is better but hundreds of multiplats that come at the same time looking better on 360 are not?? Hypocrisy at its best :?

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]

I'm getting both versions in the future. I found the original Sigma's levels a little bit off compared to the remade sections, and it kinda looks like it's going to be the same here.

While NG2 wasn't all that polished, i'm pretty sure Itagaki omitted features for certain reasons. I want to talk about the co-op in this light. I don't know about other people, but as a NG fan, I've never felt co-op was an essential, much less highly sought after feature for Ninja Gaiden. I always felt Ninja Gaiden was a game that hailed back to the old school arcade vibe where you're out to beat the leaderboards while not getting obliterated in the process; it would not be the game that includes 16-player deathmatch or any other "standard" feature in current-gen video games.

So with Itagaki out of Tecmo's way, they've managed to include co-op oh-so effortlessly. Honestly, it looks tacked on to me. Looks mad fun to the casual gamer or even slight action fan, but meh, doesn't look like it's totally mindblowing. I think the only reason I'm going to get this game is because of Ayane and Momiji i.e purely in canonical interest. No doubt my brother will dig it for the co-op stuff though.

I agree about the co-op. NG is a solo game plain and simple, its like having co-op in God of War. And you lose the sense of accomplishment you usually get when completing a NG game on your own. Though I have to admitto wonder what would it be like to have a 1 v 1 deathmatch with another player. In Black you fought a fiend version of yourself and it worked surprisingly well.

I cant believe sony fanboys are using Ninja Gaiden to prove PS3 "superiority"! So, 1 multiplat where PS3 had an extra year of development is the prove that PS3 is better but hundreds of multiplats that come at the same time looking better on 360 are not?? Hypocrisy at its best :?

PAL360

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

I cant believe sony fanboys are using Ninja Gaiden to prove PS3 "superiority"! So, 1 multiplat where PS3 had an extra year of development is the prove that PS3 is better but hundreds of multiplats that come at the same time looking better on 360 are not?? Hypocrisy at its best :?

Javy03

Yep, i know that multiplats differences use to be too small but most times they exist. Still i agree they prove nothing! Like i usually say, i think both systems are tecnically very similar this gen

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

I cant believe sony fanboys are using Ninja Gaiden to prove PS3 "superiority"! So, 1 multiplat where PS3 had an extra year of development is the prove that PS3 is better but hundreds of multiplats that come at the same time looking better on 360 are not?? Hypocrisy at its best :?

Javy03

actually at this point after they patch FO3 its about the same on both systems anyways...still inferior to pc, but one would think that the more people get to play the game the better regardless what version they get

I think you guys are forgetting the history of Ninja Gaiden. The original NG was released in the arcades in 1988 and was closer to a beat em up like Double Dragons. It also allowed for multiplayer play as the second player could be a Red Ninja. IMO Ninja Gaiden is the perfect game to implement co op because the enemies are cheap enough to where two players could be challanged and the story is shallow enough to were it wouldn't really take away from the game. Your example of GOW is a bad one because even though the genre is the same GOW has a much deeper story then NG. It also wouldn't suite the game because Kratos doesnt work as a team and nobody really can compete with his abilities except his targets. NG on the other hand has other ninjas in the universe who have simliar ability and even if they aren't as powerful, it would still be believeable to have him working with Rachel or whoever.Javy03

The old NG was a 2d side scroller and really can't be compared to the 3d NG. In the NG we know now, your a lone ninja taking on tough numerous guys by yourself, that for me was magic in NG. Plus the game would be super easy on all accounts. I think my analogy with GOW was just, story deosn't really matter when determining wether a game should have co-op or not (halo1 & 2). I think everyone would agree that if co-op was implemented in GOW3 it would be tacky and not very toughtout.

And Ryuisn't a ninja at all he's more of a walking nuke. The only thing thats ninja about him is his outfit and that's pushing it. Ninjas were allabout stealth and as far as I know there is no stealth elements in NG. And why would Ryu need any help taking down his targets?

[QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

I cant believe sony fanboys are using Ninja Gaiden to prove PS3 "superiority"! So, 1 multiplat where PS3 had an extra year of development is the prove that PS3 is better but hundreds of multiplats that come at the same time looking better on 360 are not?? Hypocrisy at its best :?

PAL360

Yep, i know that multiplats differences use to be too small but most times they exist. Still i agree they prove nothing! Like i usually say, i think both systems are tecnically very similar this gen

yea really if there is more power on the ps3 the sheer architecture mitigates any advanage when dealing with multiplats, but i will say other then the new ghost busters game multiplats do seem to be on par now-a-days

and it has gotten to the point that when talking about global sales both versions of a game sell about the same anyways so it seems like at this point unless we have a game like sigma that has extra development time which is rare, then neither version is usually significantly better then the other version

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]

I'm getting both versions in the future. I found the original Sigma's levels a little bit off compared to the remade sections, and it kinda looks like it's going to be the same here.

While NG2 wasn't all that polished, i'm pretty sure Itagaki omitted features for certain reasons. I want to talk about the co-op in this light. I don't know about other people, but as a NG fan, I've never felt co-op was an essential, much less highly sought after feature for Ninja Gaiden. I always felt Ninja Gaiden was a game that hailed back to the old school arcade vibe where you're out to beat the leaderboards while not getting obliterated in the process; it would not be the game that includes 16-player deathmatch or any other "standard" feature in current-gen video games.

So with Itagaki out of Tecmo's way, they've managed to include co-op oh-so effortlessly. Honestly, it looks tacked on to me. Looks mad fun to the casual gamer or even slight action fan, but meh, doesn't look like it's totally mindblowing. I think the only reason I'm going to get this game is because of Ayane and Momiji i.e purely in canonical interest. No doubt my brother will dig it for the co-op stuff though.

silentobi

I agree about the co-op. NG is a solo game plain and simple, its like having co-op in God of War. And you lose the sense of accomplishment you usually get when completing a NG game on your own. Though I have to admitto wonder what would it be like to have a 1 v 1 deathmatch with another player. In Black you fought a fiend version of yourself and it worked surprisingly well.

[QUOTE="Javy03"]

I think you guys are forgetting the history of Ninja Gaiden. The original NG was released in the arcades in 1988 and was closer to a beat em up like Double Dragons. It also allowed for multiplayer play as the second player could be a Red Ninja. IMO Ninja Gaiden is the perfect game to implement co op because the enemies are cheap enough to where two players could be challanged and the story is shallow enough to were it wouldn't really take away from the game. Your example of GOW is a bad one because even though the genre is the same GOW has a much deeper story then NG. It also wouldn't suite the game because Kratos doesnt work as a team and nobody really can compete with his abilities except his targets. NG on the other hand has other ninjas in the universe who have simliar ability and even if they aren't as powerful, it would still be believeable to have him working with Rachel or whoever.silentobi

The old NG was a 2d side scroller and really can't be compared to the 3d NG. In the NG we know now, your a lone ninja taking on tough numerous guys by yourself, that for me was magic in NG. Plus the game would be super easy on all accounts. I think my analogy with GOW was just, story deosn't really matter when determining wether a game should have co-op or not (halo1 & 2). I think everyone would agree that if co-op was implemented in GOW3 it would be tacky and not very toughtout.

And Ryuisn't a ninja at all he's more of a walking nuke. The only thing thats ninja about him is his outfit and that's pushing it. Ninjas were allabout stealth and as far as I know there is no stealth elements in NG. And why would Ryu need any help taking down his targets?

well if they made the difficultly proportionate and made areas specifically made for co-op work, and basically you didnt get into each others way then it can work but in its original form it probably wouldnt have worked

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

I cant believe sony fanboys are using Ninja Gaiden to prove PS3 "superiority"! So, 1 multiplat where PS3 had an extra year of development is the prove that PS3 is better but hundreds of multiplats that come at the same time looking better on 360 are not?? Hypocrisy at its best :?

Javy03

[QUOTE="silentobi"]

[QUOTE="Javy03"]

I think you guys are forgetting the history of Ninja Gaiden. The original NG was released in the arcades in 1988 and was closer to a beat em up like Double Dragons. It also allowed for multiplayer play as the second player could be a Red Ninja. IMO Ninja Gaiden is the perfect game to implement co op because the enemies are cheap enough to where two players could be challanged and the story is shallow enough to were it wouldn't really take away from the game. Your example of GOW is a bad one because even though the genre is the same GOW has a much deeper story then NG. It also wouldn't suite the game because Kratos doesnt work as a team and nobody really can compete with his abilities except his targets. NG on the other hand has other ninjas in the universe who have simliar ability and even if they aren't as powerful, it would still be believeable to have him working with Rachel or whoever.hyperboy152000

The old NG was a 2d side scroller and really can't be compared to the 3d NG. In the NG we know now, your a lone ninja taking on tough numerous guys by yourself, that for me was magic in NG. Plus the game would be super easy on all accounts. I think my analogy with GOW was just, story deosn't really matter when determining wether a game should have co-op or not (halo1 & 2). I think everyone would agree that if co-op was implemented in GOW3 it would be tacky and not very toughtout.

And Ryuisn't a ninja at all he's more of a walking nuke. The only thing thats ninja about him is his outfit and that's pushing it. Ninjas were allabout stealth and as far as I know there is no stealth elements in NG. And why would Ryu need any help taking down his targets?

well if they made the difficultly proportionate and made areas specifically made for co-op work, and basically you didnt get into each others way then it can work but in its original form it probably wouldnt have worked

[QUOTE="hyperboy152000"]

[QUOTE="silentobi"]

The old NG was a 2d side scroller and really can't be compared to the 3d NG. In the NG we know now, your a lone ninja taking on tough numerous guys by yourself, that for me was magic in NG. Plus the game would be super easy on all accounts. I think my analogy with GOW was just, story deosn't really matter when determining wether a game should have co-op or not (halo1 & 2). I think everyone would agree that if co-op was implemented in GOW3 it would be tacky and not very toughtout.

And Ryuisn't a ninja at all he's more of a walking nuke. The only thing thats ninja about him is his outfit and that's pushing it. Ninjas were allabout stealth and as far as I know there is no stealth elements in NG. And why would Ryu need any help taking down his targets?

silentobi

well if they made the difficultly proportionate and made areas specifically made for co-op work, and basically you didnt get into each others way then it can work but in its original form it probably wouldnt have worked

well it is one thing to add something into a game to make it play better but i can see how it can easily mess up the game if its litterally the same game (design and AI) as NG2... if they kept the actual game unchanged then it probobly would do more bad for the game... especially if the camera is the same, but if it works then the only problem i would have is if it didnt have voice support for online co-op...that would just be stupid to leave out

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="Javy03"] Let's not exaggerate, there are not hundreds of multiplats that are better on the 360. And yes your right it is silly to use this multiplat as proof that the PS3 is better just like its silly for 360 fanboys to count pixels or bring up bad ports like Fallout 3 to justify the 360 being superior. Ports don't get the same attention.hyperboy152000

Yep, i know that multiplats differences use to be too small but most times they exist. Still i agree they prove nothing! Like i usually say, i think both systems are tecnically very similar this gen

yea really if there is more power on the ps3 the sheer architecture mitigates any advanage when dealing with multiplats, but i will say other then the new ghost busters game multiplats do seem to be on par now-a-days

and it has gotten to the point that when talking about global sales both versions of a game sell about the same anyways so it seems like at this point unless we have a game like sigma that has extra development time which is rare, then neither version is usually significantly better then the other version

I agree with your post

yeah. I miss Fiend Ryu. seriously, do they have any valid reason for not putting him in NG2/S2? Also, I miss the NGB costumes. I swear, sometime these developers make some bad choices.xxThyLordxx

the only time a PS3 game looks better is when it has months and months of extra dev time

Lol at jealous lems right now ......... Less blood ? An old port ? C`mon you guys can do better that that ........ I wonder what will happen if NGS2 score higher than NG2 .......... Lems mass suicide confirmed ?Foxhound_spy

It will most likely score better considering the extra dev time. Why would it be bad for lems? :|

This by no means suggests PS3 is the superior hardware. The only thing this proves is that different people were used to work on the characters for NG2 and Sigma 2, Tecmo felt that Ayane needed to look more mature for the PS3 audience and I gotta say she definitely looks better then the 360 counterpart

well it is one thing to add something into a game to make it play better but i can see how it can easily mess up the game if its litterally the same game (design and AI) as NG2... if they kept the actual game unchanged then it probobly would do more bad for the game... especially if the camera is the same, but if it works then the only problem i would have is if it didnt have voice support for online co-op...that would just be stupid to leave out

hyperboy152000

Lol at jealous lems right now ......... Less blood ? An old port ? C`mon you guys can do better that that ........ I wonder what will happen if NGS2 score higher than NG2 .......... Lems mass suicide confirmed ?Foxhound_spy

Wow I haven't posted on here in months but I couldnt help myself with this one, I was floating around the net when I saw this.

On the left is Ayane for the PS3's Sigma. On the Right is Ayane from the 360. This sort of change is big! It really shows what the PS3 can do in comparison to the 360. I thought this would lead into an interesting disgussion so go!

sparkypants

[QUOTE="Foxhound_spy"]Lol at jealous lems right now ......... Less blood ? An old port ? C`mon you guys can do better that that ........ I wonder what will happen if NGS2 score higher than NG2 .......... Lems mass suicide confirmed ?_Peoples_Champ_

I really enjoyed NG2….I will rent NGS2 and see if it's worth a purchase… It's funny to see how this game was thrown under the bus last year..and now..It's a solid game for the PS3

I think you guys are forgetting the history of Ninja Gaiden. The original NG was released in the arcades in 1988 and was closer to a beat em up like Double Dragons. It also allowed for multiplayer play as the second player could be a Red Ninja. IMO Ninja Gaiden is the perfect game to implement co op because the enemies are cheap enough to where two players could be challanged and the story is shallow enough to were it wouldn't really take away from the game. Your example of GOW is a bad one because even though the genre is the same GOW has a much deeper story then NG. It also wouldn't suite the game because Kratos doesnt work as a team and nobody really can compete with his abilities except his targets. NG on the other hand has other ninjas in the universe who have simliar ability and even if they aren't as powerful, it would still be believeable to have him working with Rachel or whoever.Javy03

Story should not in any wayaffect the ability for co-op. Left 4 Dead and Kane & Lynch were able to retain a strong element of story while having decent co-op feature. Halo compromises its lore when playing co-op as it lets two Master Chiefs run around the levels. Does it make the co-op bad? Not in any way at all.

Co-op is not necessarily tied to lore. It just has to be done right. From what I've seen, Team Ninja has just stuck in another player without much thought.

And you're forgetting about the development of Ninja Gaiden. While I did state NG harked back the old days of gaming, it's not in line with the original NG. Here's an excerpt from an interview:

XBN:What similarities does the XBoxNinja Gaidenhave with the original?

Itagaki: Practically none. Team Ninja originally developed the concept for a new action game ground up. Tecmo management begged us to call itNinja Gaiden, so we did. The origin of the game is actually not the old games. Interview

if you think the 360 cant pull of sigma2 graphics then you failG-O-M-J

[QUOTE="G-O-M-J"]if you think the 360 cant pull of sigma2 graphics then you failkemar7856

Lol at jealous lems right now ......... Less blood ? An old port ? C`mon you guys can do better that that ........ I wonder what will happen if NGS2 score higher than NG2 .......... Lems mass suicide confirmed ?Foxhound_spy

I predict there will be cows trying to say it is exclsuvie than Lem whining.

[QUOTE="Foxhound_spy"]Lol at jealous lems right now ......... Less blood ? An old port ? C`mon you guys can do better that that ........ I wonder what will happen if NGS2 score higher than NG2 .......... Lems mass suicide confirmed ?Chaos_HL21

I predict there will be cows trying to say it is exclsuvie than Lem whining.

I really hope you're not saying the 360 isn't able to run Sigma 2...That would be embarrassing for you if you were.

MortalDecay

[QUOTE="silentobi"]

[QUOTE="G-O-M-J"]if you think the 360 cant pull of sigma2 graphics then you failsparkypants

Oh, so the PS3 can't do most multiplats on the 360's level, OK, I understand, the PS3 just can't do it.

I'm not arguing against the 360 and if it can or can not pull off those grapics, I am just pointing out the difference. I do want to ask however, why didnt they go with sigma's model initially? A lot of people have argued that the game was rushed, however character models and level design are some of the first few steps you go through in a game.

sparkypants

I would say that to compensate for the lack of blood and other effects happening in the 360 version, the PS3 version was able to increase the visual fidelity for those things that were kept on screen. Seriously, all the gore in the original NG2 looked a treat and stayed on the screen until you finished the game.

I cant believe sony fanboys are using Ninja Gaiden to prove PS3 "superiority"! So, 1 multiplat where PS3 had an extra year of development is the prove that PS3 is better but hundreds of multiplats that come at the same time looking better on 360 are not?? Hypocrisy at its best :?

PAL360

No Gore in Sigma 2 = Fail. Ninja Gaiden 2 sucked compared to the first anyway. It was like RE5 compared to RE4. Stop hyping Sigma 2.-RocBoys9489-

[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"]No Gore in Sigma 2 = Fail. Ninja Gaiden 2 sucked compared to the first anyway. It was like RE5 compared to RE4. Stop hyping Sigma 2.punkrocker163

Edit: Just thought I'd dish out the ownage ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o34ZgIe-rp0

The stair fight won't even be in Sigma 2 :lol:

If it really is true that NGS2 won't have flying limbs around...than there is a clear winner hands down...original on the xbox 360, if that stays intact but the game expands...than its the ps3, couldn't care less how characters looked...gameplay is why i play ninja gaiden

[QUOTE="punkrocker163"][QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"]No Gore in Sigma 2 = Fail. Ninja Gaiden 2 sucked compared to the first anyway. It was like RE5 compared to RE4. Stop hyping Sigma 2.-RocBoys9489-

Edit: Just thought I'd dish out the ownage ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o34ZgIe-rp0

The stair fight won't even be in Sigma 2 :lol: