Nintendo 3D-S to be much more powerful then wii and closer to xbox360 and ps3

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#101 Senor_Kami
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Nintendo has never really pushed gaming power in a long time.

So I will believe it when I see it.

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One console gen. They haven't pushed it in one console gen. That's not a long time, that's once. I don't buy this thing cranking out anything near 360 quality graphics. The last thing I heard was that it was graphically on par with a Gamecube.
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#102 rogerjak
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Near 360's and PS3 power?....Are we really buying into this without any kind of proof?

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#103 surrealnumber5
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i would not be shocked as both the ps3 and 360 are weak from a current tech stand point
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#104 surrealnumber5
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[QUOTE="immortality20"]

Well logic says if it is that powerful it won't come cheap.

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I'm thinking the initial price won't surpass $190 because they don't want it to cost more than the Wii.

new system i would guess 250 or so
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#105 HuusAsking
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I want to see how they do 3d with no glasses

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Pretty well-known technique called the parallax barrier. What it does is cause half the lines (in an interlace pattern) in an image to be diverted towards your left eye and the other half towards your right eye. It works pretty much like a lenticular except a parallax barrier can be switched on and off, only engaging the effect when it's needed, such as in 3D scenes without having it distort 2D scenes. The advantage, of course, is this allows autostereoscopy--perceptual 3D without glasses. The big disadvantage to a parallax barrier is its narrow viewing angle. Good news for Nintendo is that handhelds are traditionally played with the screen perpendicular to the face--prime viewing position.

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#106 HuusAsking
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i would not be shocked as both the ps3 and 360 are weak from a current tech stand point surrealnumber5
But compared to the tech of the Wii and the most sophisticated low-power graphics tech out there (the Tegra series), they're considerably ahead. It's all relative. As for the price point, I'm pretty sure they know $250 will be the limit of their asking price. The trick will be on figuring out how far they can go and still keep the asking price profitable.
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#107 surrealnumber5
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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]i would not be shocked as both the ps3 and 360 are weak from a current tech stand point HuusAsking
But compared to the tech of the Wii and the most sophisticated low-power graphics tech out there (the Tegra series), they're considerably ahead. It's all relative. As for the price point, I'm pretty sure they know $250 will be the limit of their asking price. The trick will be on figuring out how far they can go and still keep the asking price profitable.

something they have a lot of experience with, and the wii was built around the wiimote not the consoles hardware. it has taken the competition three years to make anything close to it and i dont know about natal but sony's ball is looking to cost more then the wiimote
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#108 davidkamayor
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won't all this power be lost in making the 3d effect so we'll still only have last gen graphics

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#109 HuusAsking
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won't all this power be lost in making the 3d effect so we'll still only have last gen graphics

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No, because the effect will be achieved by chopping the effective horizontal resolution (a necessary consequence of parallax barriers). Twice the pictures but at half the pixels makes it just shy of a wash.
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#110 Supafly1
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[QUOTE="davidkamayor"]

won't all this power be lost in making the 3d effect so we'll still only have last gen graphics

HuusAsking
No, because the effect will be achieved by chopping the effective horizontal resolution (a necessary consequence of parallax barriers). Twice the pictures but at half the pixels makes it just shy of a wash.

So you're saying that the 3D effect in games will take only a small amount of performance?
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#111 Ninja-Hippo
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If that IS true it only really serves to prove how lazy they were with the Wii. :(
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#112 agff9
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5 min battery life confirmed?
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#113 HuusAsking
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[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="davidkamayor"]

won't all this power be lost in making the 3d effect so we'll still only have last gen graphics

Supafly1
No, because the effect will be achieved by chopping the effective horizontal resolution (a necessary consequence of parallax barriers). Twice the pictures but at half the pixels makes it just shy of a wash.

So you're saying that the 3D effect in games will take only a small amount of performance?

Yes, I am. All it really involves is two renders with the camera placed at slightly different distances and/or angles for each shot (the exact difference can attune or exaggerate the effect)--pretty basic stuff. Now, scanline rendering, to a point, scales linearly--the more pixels you have to render, the more power it takes (in scale) to render it in time, and so on--and vice versa. So if you tell the renderer to only render half the pixels (by cutting the horizontal resolution), its workload cuts by nearly half (there are some parts of the render that don't scale the same way, so it's not perfect). So if you offset this by performing two renders at a time, the end result is a workload considerably closer to the 1x end than the 2x end of the increased workload scale--it'll take additional work, yes, but not that much. It's also not a new technique. Some of the first PC stereoscopic adapters like the Asus AGP-V3800 (a card I still happen to own along with a simple pair of shutter glasses) uses a similar technique, only vertically, and my 300MHz P2 barely felt the strain--most of the problems come from driver quirks rather than performance dragging.
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#114 moistsandwich
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The resolution will be much lower than what normally runs on the 360 & PS3... so their reasoning is flawed. Lower res = lower pwr needed... I'm sure the Wii could handle 3D, if it only had to display it on a 4" screen.

Anyway.... I'm totally psyched for the new handheld... If it has a killer app at launch... I'll have one.

Off Topic.... I'm more interested in whether MS has a redesign for the 360 or not.... I hope so, because I'm now in the market for a new one.

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#115 789shadow
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If that's true......well..........OMG...........

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#116 intro94
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Please, gentlemen. Calm down. Pull back the reins on your delusions. What you just read is PR propaganda and undoubtedly nonsense. The iPad, a tablet computer, has a single core 1 Ghz processor.....only slightly faster than the Wii and not even remotely in the ballpark of the three 3.2 Ghz cores of the Xbox 360's CPU or the average 2.4 Ghz Core 2 Duo desktop CPU. It is vastly unlikely that their new handheld will feature a CPU comparable to a high-clocked single Pentium 4 CPU of last generation.Brownesque
PR ?is not Nintendo stating this.ipad was not specifically to focus 100% in videogame proccesing power, and for once, i dont believe ipad is the epitome of technology in 2010 as proccessing power can go. Can nintendo do better than Ipad visually?Is not vast unlikely, they dont have to use the same architecture or same chipsets.If they have worked about it for so long to focus on games, i call this entirely possible, as mind boogling it might sound to some.Technology moves on and wow graphics arent that wow anymore nor demand as much power.Hell ps3 slim production and energy requirements more than halved a few years after launch.
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#117 intro94
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Well logic says if it is that powerful it won't come cheap.

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yes i would NORMALLY agree that much but nintendos aim has always been in the interest of affordability,at least traditionally. If PSP had such power years ago for a more or less affordable price of 250, several years later, nintendo, with the CLEAR aim of gaining all potential markets in portables(by offering DS versatily with over the top graphics-psp esque), can do much better. We will see tho.I just think that ninty felt that PSP visuals took perhaps some of their lion share, and even tho the DS certainly "won" the market, they know they could have done even better for those graphicholics.
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#118 SaltyMeatballs
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I doubt it. If it's close of the Gamecube I'd be happy.
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#119 wiidskirby
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Good old IGN.

Kid Icarus for the 3DS confirmed :P

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#120 DraugenCP
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Sounds great but I wonder if this won't make the price of the hardware and the games skyrocket. Only time will tell I guess.

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#121 mythrol
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Maybe in raw power; But like they said, you have to be able to produce the image twice. Once for each eye, and that will mean that games won't look better than Wii games overall.
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#123 Willy105
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[QUOTE="WllDan7"]

It is no way nintendo is going to make a handheld that powerful. But if they do I want in badly. E3 needs to get here now.

CDUB316

they have made a TON of profits....so i dont' see why not, they can easily afford it

They can't sell a console for less than what it cost. It's not that they can't afford it, it's that they won't be able to recover the losses if it fails. Nintendo is a videogame company, they don't do other things like Sony or Microsoft. If a product fails, they won't have another product to recover the losses from.
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#124 Nintendo_Ownes7
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My bet is still on Gamecube quality graphics. Crystal-Rush
Which is still great. The DSi is more powerful then the N64 the DS is around as powerful as the N64. The 3DS being as powerful as the GCN is the next logical step.

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#125 789shadow
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[QUOTE="Crystal-Rush"]My bet is still on Gamecube quality graphics. Nintendo_Ownes7

Which is still great. The DSi is more powerful then the N64 the DS is around as powerful as the N64. The 3DS being as powerful as the GCN is the next logical step.

I don't think anyone would complain if the 3DS had graphical power equal to the GC. :P

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#126 KungfuKitten
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If that IS true it only really serves to prove how lazy they were with the Wii. :(Ninja-Hippo
Not lazy. It was a philosophy that works. Very rare.
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#127 gamer0100
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[QUOTE="gamer0100"]

Thats just to hard to belive. Nobody is actually gonna be disappointed if it turns out to be anything close to gamecube. BUT.....if this happens.......Nintendo will change everything as we know it........ again

GunSmith1_basic

the processing power is going towards the 3D effect. So if the processing power is closer to that of 360 or ps3 then the game would probably look like a GC game. Imo that sounds reasonable since I doubt we'll put up a handheld with the exact same graphics as before only in 3D

This does not make sense. Ps3 has 3d capabilites and there games wont be downgraded to that of gc or ps2. So why would this?

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#128 Cruxis27
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Well if SEVERAL developers have said that then it could be true..

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#129 Sollet
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price tag? 299 :P?
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#130 tomarlyn
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If true then Wii 2 is right around the corner.
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#131 deactivated-60eca9e58357e
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something coming equal to ps3 or 360 in a handheld would cost alot. and nintendo has had the cheapest handheld and the console out there(1 of the reasons why they sell alot). it wouldnt need that much power if it does ds type graphics in 3D.

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#132 Meinhard1
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when you think about it the PSP was what 6 years ago? And that was a pretty strong system, I think it's plausible to imagine a new hand held having more power than the Wii. Nintendo is obviously going for a Wow factor here - with the Hi Res 3D they want to make a system that anyone can pick up and be like "woah, this is beautiful!" While many casual gamers don't think a lot about resolution / graphical power I think 3D is likely to really that anyone will notice and appreciate.
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#133 foxhound_fox
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I'm going to call a $299-349 USD base price.

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#134 redneckdouglas
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I think he meant as powerful as in image quality. It is actually possible because of lower resolution.

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#135 wintermute0
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I'm going to call a $299-349 USD base price.

foxhound_fox

Lol, maybe you're forgetting, but this isn't being released by Sony.

And I'm sorry guys, but expect to be let down.

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#136 JB730
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with all that $$$ nintendo has avaiable to them for technology development, it's not all that surprising if they do come out guns a blazing with the 3D-S. they really got to come out with something that will blow the iphone/ipad away in terms of gaming.

it's not 2005 anymore, when nintendo really couldn't compete with MS and sony power wise. it's 2010, and nintendo's the king right now.

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#137 MetroidPrimePwn
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With the success of the DS, expectations are pretty high for its successor.

I'm going to be pretty disappointed if it doesn't cook pizza and do my Calculus homework as well as playing Pikmin 4 with Crysis quality graphics.

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#138 Cherokee_Jack
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Well if SEVERAL developers have said that then it could be true..

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What they're telling us can't be proven to be info from developers, and it can't be proven not to be, because it could have been any developer with knowledge of the 3DS and no one's going to come out and say "We didn't give you this info". It's entirely possible they made it up.
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#139 Cherokee_Jack
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with all that $$$ nintendo has avaiable to them for technology development, it's not all that surprising if they do come out guns a blazing with the 3D-S. they really got to come out with something that will blow the iphone/ipad away in terms of gaming.JB730
They just did, it was called the DSi XL. :lol:
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#140 Jamiemydearx3
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I wouldn't get your hopes up, but you really can never tell what Nintendo will do next.

It may infact be true, it may have the image quality of a xbox 360 game but at a much lower resolution. (guessing around 600x400) compared to 1280x720.

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#141 foxhound_fox
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Lol, maybe you're forgetting, but this isn't being released by Sony.

And I'm sorry guys, but expect to be let down.

wintermute0


"More powerful than the Wii" in a handheld should easily bring a $299 MSRP. The Wii costs $199, and to shrink all that tech down into the size of a handheld would easily jack the price up. Maybe not $300, but easily $200 or more. Unless they plan on releasing it in 2012.

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#142 italygamer
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it's never happened in gaming history that a handheld is more powerful than the home console counterpart. or maybe a new nintendo's home console is around the corner. it'd be about time

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#143 deactivated-5f26ef21d6f71
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Interesting.

But I highly doubt the 3DS will be as powerfull than PS3 or 360. I mean if Nintendo can do just that, then might as well build a console version with the same capabilities.

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#144 OwnallConsoles
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I'm going to call a $299-349 USD base price.

foxhound_fox
With those specs and great games I would buy it gladly
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#145 Ninja-Hippo
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This will be unveiled at E3, it'll look slightly better than the DS, and nintendo will have owned us all. :P
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#146 GeneralHawx
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so this is what is going to happen u charge ur 3DS for about 72 hours on a regular basis and u get about 2 minutes play time if it really is that powerful
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#147 Ringx55
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Probably the power of the gamecube... No more.
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#148 OwnallConsoles
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so this is what is going to happen u charge ur 3DS for about 72 hours on a regular basis and u get about 2 minutes play time if it really is that powerfulGeneralHawx
What If nintendo added some new technology to charging batteries. An example would be an old solar calculator. Maybe they apply that to the backside of the DS and it helps the system run in sunlight and in just regular light. Of course in the dark you would have battery issues but this is all just made up anyway.
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#149 Iantheone
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I thought they said that it wasnt going to use 3d glasses? I thought it was supposed to create the illusion of 3D with some clever work with the accelerometer. so it doesnt have to display the screen twice. Or has it changed since a month ago?
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#150 wintermute0
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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

I'm going to call a $299-349 USD base price.

OwnallConsoles

With those specs and great games I would buy it gladly

Specs? Is that short for speculations? :roll: