Nintendo 3D-S to be much more powerful then wii and closer to xbox360 and ps3

If you actually believe this, then you are the most ingnorant and blind fanboy in all of SW. No way would Nintendo release such a brick of a handheld.

• Based on the picture supposedly leaked from the FCC, apparently only the top screen will be wide.
• According to CNET a parallax barrier should only add about $10 to the cost of the display.
• From what I understand the accelerometer in the Wiimote doesn't cost all that much. (relatively speaking)
• Given Nintendo's history with handhelds it's hard to say whether backwards compatibility will be 100%. They did break features on some GBC games by not including an IR port on the Game Boy Advance. And the DS doesn't have a link port, so GCN connectivity and link cable play is not possible for GBA titles.
• 3DS games might use the same slot as DS games. Kinda like the GBA.
• Well okay, that would be expensive. But there is just no way that this is true. I could maybe see it rivaling or even slightly besting the Wii. But anything close to the PS3/360 in a handheld is just well beyond our current technology.

Hey, just continue the great handheld games and im good. Fuhgeddabouditt

• Based on the picture supposedly leaked from the FCC, apparently only the top screen will be wide.
• According to CNET a parallax barrier shouldn't add much to the actual cost of the display.
• From what I understand the accelerometer in the Wiimote doesn't cost all that much. (relatively speaking)
• Given Nintendo's history with handhelds it's hard to say whether backwards compatibility will be 100%. They did break features on some GBC games by not including an IR port on the Game Boy Advance. And the DS doesn't have a link port, so GCN connectivity and link cable play is not possible for GBA titles.
• 3DS games might use the same slot as DS games. Kinda like the GBA.
• Well okay, that would be expensive. But there is just no way that this is true. I could maybe see it rivaling or even slightly besting the Wii. But anything close to the PS3/360 in a handheld is just well beyond our current technology.

[QUOTE="Fuhgeddabouditt"]Hey, just continue the great handheld games and im good. smartcriminal

Maybe they have aliens working there. . \| |/

Mouse is almost always right. We probably missunderstand the article. It doesn't literally say that its power comes close to HD consoles.

1. I don't think Nintendo ever confirmed that. Last I checked it was just something supposedly said at the Game Developer Conference. And the thing is if only one screen is 3D then that already creates a bit of a division between them. Regardless, you don't technically need to have screens of exactly the same type to tether them like that. I've extended my PC desktop to a standard definition TV on occasion.

2. Nintendo isn't Sony. They've always priced their systems low enough to appeal to a mainstream audience.

4. That "prototype" had the same connectors as a current DS card, and was actually illustrated plugged into a DSi IIRC. I don't think it was actually supposed to be a 3DS game though, but rather some kind of accessory for the current DS.

6. A 360 is a lot more than twice the power of a GameCube. And a parallax barrier splits the horizontal resolution in half when displaying 3D. So assuming that the total screen resolution for the 3D display is 854x480 (and I'm not sure it will be this high), each eye would only see 427x480.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]Hmm, okay... 1) Remember that the FCC motherboard was just a prototype. Nintendo have stated on several occasions that they want to reduce the distance between the two screens on the 3DS so it acts as one screen. Having a system that only has one widescreen, whereas the other screen is your normal DS touchpad, is counter intuitive to that ideology. 2) Not much, but there'll be some costs. Also remember, Nintendo would like to charge some premium for a non glasses 3D system. 3) Again, not very costly, but a collection of incremental costs (such as this and the parallax barrier) should add up to something substantial. 4) Yeah, they could ditch many features, but the fact is that quite a few DSi games are solely reliant on the cameras to work. 5) Hopefully it will. Wasn't there a rumour a couple of days ago that showed a new 3DS cartridge? It was longer than a DS one, shaped kinda like those old Memory Sticks. So I think it might just need a new slot. 6) Nintendo have stated on several occasions that the 3DS would display hi res graphics, on par with the GCN at least. Now consider the fact that each game field would have to be rendered twice to achieve the 3D effect. THis would require substantial processing power, and the end result wouldnt look much better than a GCN. So I'd say there's every chance of this being as powerful as a 360 at the very least.ThePlothole

1. I don't think Nintendo ever confirmed that. Last I checked it was just something supposedly said at the Game Developer Conference. Regardless, you don't technically need to have screens of exactly the same type to teather them like that. I've extended my PC desktop to a standard definition TV on occasion.

2. Nintendo isn't Sony. They've always priced their systems low enough to appeal to a mainstream audience.

4. That "prototype" had the same connectors as a current DS card, and was actually illustrated plugged into a DSi. I don't think it was actually supposed to be a 3DS game though, but rather some kind of accessory for the current DS.

6. A 360 is a lot more than twice the power of a GameCube. And a parallax barrier splits the horizontal resolution in half when displaying 3D. So assuming that the total screen resolution for the 3D display is 854x480, each eye would only see 427x480.

E3 couldn't come much quicker!

Come on Nintendo, you have lost me on the home console front, time to redeem yourself!

Hmm, okay... 1) Remember that the FCC motherboard was just a prototype. Nintendo have stated on several occasions that they want to reduce the distance between the two screens on the 3DS so it acts as one screen. Having a system that only has one widescreen, whereas the other screen is your normal DS touchpad, is counter intuitive to that ideology. 2) Not much, but there'll be some costs. Also remember, Nintendo would like to charge some premium for a non glasses 3D system. 3) Again, not very costly, but a collection of incremental costs (such as this and the parallax barrier) should add up to something substantial. 4) Yeah, they could ditch many features, but the fact is that quite a few DSi games are solely reliant on the cameras to work. 5) Hopefully it will. Wasn't there a rumour a couple of days ago that showed a new 3DS cartridge? It was longer than a DS one, shaped kinda like those old Memory Sticks. So I think it might just need a new slot. 6) Nintendo have stated on several occasions that the 3DS would display hi res graphics, on par with the GCN at least. Now consider the fact that each game field would have to be rendered twice to achieve the 3D effect.

THis would require substantial processing power, and the end result wouldnt look much better than a GCN. So I'd say there's every chance of this being as powerful as a 360 at the very least.

charizard1605

Before it rivals Xbox 360, 3DS has to beat ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5430 low end PC GPU. Let's do some rough estimates.

The latest ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5430 has 16 pipelines which yields 80 shaders units. It process 80 shader instructions and 80 32bit shader data payloads per cycle i.e. 16 pipelines x 5 shaders = 80. Per pipeline, it uses 5 shader instructions/5 32bit data payload format. That's 5 scalar instructions with each having 1 data payload. This GPU consumes about 7 watts. Keep in mind handhelds aims for around 1 watts or less.

ATI Xenos has 48 pipeline and it uses 2 instructions/5 32bit data payload format per pipeline. That's 1 scalar instruction andone vector 4 instructions. It process 96 shader instructions and 240 32bit shader data payload per cycle best case.

In terms of best case 32bit shader data processing, ATI Xenos is about 75 percent of ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4650.

ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4650/5165 process 320 shader instructions and 320 32bit shader data payload. Due to scalar nature of Radeon HD series, these GPUs are considered to be more efficient over the older ATI Xenos.

There's no chance for 3DS beating Xbox 360 nor ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5430.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]

Hmm, okay... 1) Remember that the FCC motherboard was just a prototype. Nintendo have stated on several occasions that they want to reduce the distance between the two screens on the 3DS so it acts as one screen. Having a system that only has one widescreen, whereas the other screen is your normal DS touchpad, is counter intuitive to that ideology. 2) Not much, but there'll be some costs. Also remember, Nintendo would like to charge some premium for a non glasses 3D system. 3) Again, not very costly, but a collection of incremental costs (such as this and the parallax barrier) should add up to something substantial. 4) Yeah, they could ditch many features, but the fact is that quite a few DSi games are solely reliant on the cameras to work. 5) Hopefully it will. Wasn't there a rumour a couple of days ago that showed a new 3DS cartridge? It was longer than a DS one, shaped kinda like those old Memory Sticks. So I think it might just need a new slot. 6) Nintendo have stated on several occasions that the 3DS would display hi res graphics, on par with the GCN at least. Now consider the fact that each game field would have to be rendered twice to achieve the 3D effect.

THis would require substantial processing power, and the end result wouldnt look much better than a GCN. So I'd say there's every chance of this being as powerful as a 360 at the very least.

Before it rivals Xbox 360, 3DS has to beat ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5430 low end PC GPU. Let's do some rough estimates.

The latest ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5430 has 16 pipelines which yields 80 shaders units. It process 80 shader instructions and 80 32bit shader data payloads per cycle i.e. 16 pipelines x 5 shaders = 80. Per pipeline, it uses 5 shader instructions/5 32bit data payload format. That's 5 scalar instructions with each having 1 data payload. This GPU consumes about 7 watts. Keep in mind handhelds aims for around 1 watts or less.

ATI Xenos has 48 pipeline and it uses 2 instructions/5 32bit data payload format per pipeline. That's 1 scalar instruction andone vector 4 instructions. It process 96 shader instructions and 240 32bit shader data payload per cycle best case.

In terms of best case 32bit shader data processing, ATI Xenos is about 75 percent of ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4650.

ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4650/5165 process 320 shader instructions and 320 32bit shader data payload. Due to scalar nature of Radeon HD series, these GPUs are considered to be more efficient over the older ATI Xenos.

There's no chance for 3DS beating Xbox 360 nor ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5430.

this is a nintendo handheld... why is everyone reading so deep? it will be simple.. have possible gamecube graphs and moderate 3d effects... thats IT... im not expecting anything more than simple.....why would anyone even begin to think this thing can be as powerful as a home console of any type this gen is beyond me.adamlovesu

[QUOTE="adamlovesu"]this is a nintendo handheld... why is everyone reading so deep? it will be simple.. have possible gamecube graphs and moderate 3d effects... thats IT... im not expecting anything more than simple.....why would anyone even begin to think this thing can be as powerful as a home console of any type this gen is beyond me.charizard1605

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="adamlovesu"]this is a nintendo handheld... why is everyone reading so deep? it will be simple.. have possible gamecube graphs and moderate 3d effects... thats IT... im not expecting anything more than simple.....why would anyone even begin to think this thing can be as powerful as a home console of any type this gen is beyond me.adamlovesu

[QUOTE="adamlovesu"][QUOTE="charizard1605"] Because Nintendo have a penchant for surprising everybody, and for springing the unexpected on an unsuspecting audience.charizard1605

5) Hopefully it will. Wasn't there a rumour a couple of days ago that showed a new 3DS cartridge? It was longer than a DS one, shaped kinda like those old Memory Sticks. So I think it might just need a new slot.charizard1605

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="adamlovesu"] even though your right i still dought nintendo has the balls to make a handheld like that..... it wouldnt make sense......it would be a brick of madness... nintendo will save tech like that for a console not a handheld.adamlovesu

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]

Hmm, okay... 1) Remember that the FCC motherboard was just a prototype. Nintendo have stated on several occasions that they want to reduce the distance between the two screens on the 3DS so it acts as one screen. Having a system that only has one widescreen, whereas the other screen is your normal DS touchpad, is counter intuitive to that ideology. 2) Not much, but there'll be some costs. Also remember, Nintendo would like to charge some premium for a non glasses 3D system. 3) Again, not very costly, but a collection of incremental costs (such as this and the parallax barrier) should add up to something substantial. 4) Yeah, they could ditch many features, but the fact is that quite a few DSi games are solely reliant on the cameras to work. 5) Hopefully it will. Wasn't there a rumour a couple of days ago that showed a new 3DS cartridge? It was longer than a DS one, shaped kinda like those old Memory Sticks. So I think it might just need a new slot. 6) Nintendo have stated on several occasions that the 3DS would display hi res graphics, on par with the GCN at least. Now consider the fact that each game field would have to be rendered twice to achieve the 3D effect.

THis would require substantial processing power, and the end result wouldnt look much better than a GCN. So I'd say there's every chance of this being as powerful as a 360 at the very least.

Before it rivals Xbox 360, 3DS has to beat ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5430 low end PC GPU. Let's do some rough estimates.

The latest ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5430 has 16 pipelines which yields 80 shaders units. It process 80 shader instructions and 80 32bit shader data payloads per cycle i.e. 16 pipelines x 5 shaders = 80. Per pipeline, it uses 5 shader instructions/5 32bit data payload format. That's 5 scalar instructions with each having 1 data payload. This GPU consumes about 7 watts. Keep in mind handhelds aims for around 1 watts or less.

ATI Xenos has 48 pipeline and it uses 2 instructions/5 32bit data payload format per pipeline. That's 1 scalar instruction andone vector 4 instructions. It process 96 shader instructions and 240 32bit shader data payload per cycle best case.

In terms of best case 32bit shader data processing, ATI Xenos is about 75 percent of ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4650.

ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4650/5165 process 320 shader instructions and 320 32bit shader data payload. Due to scalar nature of Radeon HD series, these GPUs are considered to be more efficient over the older ATI Xenos.

There's no chance for 3DS beating Xbox 360 nor ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5430.

If that above statement is true this maybe a quatum leap in handheld gamingOwnallConsoles

A quantum is a miniscule amount.

I don't believe that for a second. The 3DS would be far too expensive, and it would make the Wii just about completely irrelevant.

nintendofreak_2

If you actually believe this, then you are the most ingnorant and blind fanboy in all of SW. No way would Nintendo release such a brick of a handheld.

Loco_Live

[QUOTE="Loco_Live"]

If you actually believe this, then you are the most ingnorant and blind fanboy in all of SW. No way would Nintendo release such a brick of a handheld.

Willy105

I could be wrong but even if it was that powerful, the graphics wouldnt be as good as PS3/360 games because so much power would be used up for 3d, right?

I could be wrong but even if it was that powerful, the graphics wouldnt be as good as PS3/360 games because so much power would be used up for 3d, right?

AsadMahdi59

You don't need PS3/360 power to render this in 3D, sorry.

Closer to PSP.

Wow if true, nintendo is not pulling punches.

How would it make the Wii irrelevant? It didn't make it irrelevant while next to the 360 and PS3, how will it do it with another console?Willy105

The developers were talking about processing capabilities, not graphical. No way in hell it will surpass the Wii in graphics, it just will not happen.

The developers were talking about processing capabilities, not graphical. No way in hell it will surpass the Wii in graphics, it just will not happen.

Cruxis27

[QUOTE="Willy105"]How would it make the Wii irrelevant? It didn't make it irrelevant while next to the 360 and PS3, how will it do it with another console?nintendofreak_2

You're looking at it from a fanboy's point of view. If I'm not mistaken, the "hardcore" crowd has already given up on the Wii and they are one of the demographics that Nintendo is targeting with the 3DS. The people that enjoy Wii for what it is (a modest machine with a new control method) will keep buying it even if the 3DS supports DX11 because power never was the console's selling point.

I highly doubt it. Nintendo needs to profit from every system sold, ergo the chances they'll release this is if it's over $300 or higher even, but Nintendo won't do that just because Nintendo knows that will cut them off from many willing buyers. yoshi_64

The developers were talking about processing capabilities, not graphical. No way in hell it will surpass the Wii in graphics, it just will not happen.

Cruxis27

I could be wrong but even if it was that powerful, the graphics wouldnt be as good as PS3/360 games because so much power would be used up for 3d, right?

AsadMahdi59

why would you even want amazing graphics like that on such a tiny screensboyer2

[QUOTE="sboyer2"]why would you even want amazing graphics like that on such a tiny screenantifanboyftw

If you actually believe this, then you are the most ingnorant and blind fanboy in all of SW. No way would Nintendo release such a brick of a handheld.

My ass. Many people are going to be disappointed by these rumours, I promise you that. DaViD_99

Totally agree. It would most likely be no more powerful than a GC or XBox 1, at best. If it were to be as equally powerful as the 360 &/or PS3, not only would the price tag be incredibly higher than $200-$250, but also that the battery life consumption will be skyrocketing through the roof to boot.

The only problem is that its going to be as big as your average laptop! JK!

This dev didn't say equal to 360 and PS3 just close.

This dev didn't say equal to 360 and PS3 just close.

Ganados0

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"][QUOTE="Willy105"] Maybe you are unfamiliar with Nintendo and their work before the DS and Wii....VideoGameGuy

[QUOTE="VideoGameGuy"][QUOTE="Sandvichman"] So, will it be powered by nuclear energy? Sandvichman

[QUOTE="Loco_Live"]

If you actually believe this, then you are the most ingnorant and blind fanboy in all of SW. No way would Nintendo release such a brick of a handheld.

Willy105

I don't think so, this is hype is so like the PS3 pre-release statements it's not funny.ocstew

Ehh not really; each of their handhelds has been more primitive than technology could have allowed at the time. Gameboy Color, released in 1998, finally made the system comparable to the Atari Lynx (released in 1989) and Game Gear (1990). Gameboy Advance, released in 2001, was capable of displaying low-resolution SNES games - but this is a mere 3 years before Sony released a system capable of near-Playstation 2 graphics.

SakusEnvoy

And for good reason: The Game Gear and Lynx were relatively bulky little things with lousy battery life. Nintendo handhelds always seem to compromise performance for greater portability.