Nintendo A No Show At E3?

Game over sheep :lol:

They ducking the competition and don't want to hang in shame while everyone drools over PS4 :P

killzowned24

No one knows if the mass market will love the PS4 ao keep the hype to your selfs.

[QUOTE="Dustin_W"]The real mistake was that they have no idea what gamers want because they constantly shield themselves from criticism and have taken their isolationism so far as to just outright cancel their E3 media conference to avoid the media all together.OreoMilkshake

[QUOTE="OreoMilkshake"][QUOTE="Dustin_W"]The real mistake was that they have no idea what gamers want because they constantly shield themselves from criticism and have taken their isolationism so far as to just outright cancel their E3 media conference to avoid the media all together.nintendoboy16

So, they don't have anything to show on their brand new console.

Ouch.

So, they don't have anything to show on their brand new console.

Ouch.

Cyberdot

[QUOTE="Cyberdot"]

So, they don't have anything to show on their brand new console.

Ouch.

Giancar

In the end, we're on our computers watching the news. The only difference is how the media experiences it. They'll still get their info one way or another, and we'll still be getting our information the same way we do every year; through some media outlet or a streamed video (whether it be E3 or a Direct). 

I can see how the media are being all up in the air about it, because it's an event for them (not so much the consumers) to experience. We just watch the video. We won't get to hear the roars or screams or applaudes of the crowd, but that's a petty thing to be concerned about (and to be honest, a lot of the news gets leaked beforehand in the last 4 or so years, preventing such reactions). 

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]Tom McShea is (surprisingly) defending this situation .Zaibach

undeniable proof that it is a bad decision

[QUOTE="Dustin_W"]The real mistake was that they have no idea what gamers want because they constantly shield themselves from criticism and have taken their isolationism so far as to just outright cancel their E3 media conference to avoid the media all together.OreoMilkshake

[QUOTE="OreoMilkshake"][QUOTE="Dustin_W"]The real mistake was that they have no idea what gamers want because they constantly shield themselves from criticism and have taken their isolationism so far as to just outright cancel their E3 media conference to avoid the media all together.Dustin_W

It's still possible to get negative coverage from a nintendo direct. Also, nintendo direct is nothing like  state run news in North Korea. Ninty does not brainwash their fanbase with crap and they are not forced to like what ninty shows.

Game over sheep :lol:

They ducking the competition and don't want to hang in shame while everyone drools over PS4 :P

Interesting Move.

I think the logic here is that the conference was trying to appeal to 4 groups at once:

1. Gamers
2. The Press
3. Retailers
4. Investors

So, rather than trying to cater to all four at once, they're splitting up the events in the hope of catering more directly to everyone. 

1. Game information/announcements for Gamers via internet/NDs
2. Experiences & demos for the press, plus a specific closed event
3. Closed event for Retailers

Gives them more breathing Room.

Blake135

That's pretty hardcore ass kissing there.

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]Tom McShea is (surprisingly) defending this situation .Zaibach

undeniable proof that it is a bad decision

why is it a bad decision exactly? besides more media coverage

i believe they are going to show games still on the showfloor. it doesnt seem that bad

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]Tom McShea is (surprisingly) defending this situation .Mario1331

undeniable proof that it is a bad decision

why is it a bad decision exactly? besides more media coverage

i believe they are going to show games still on the showfloor. it doesnt seem that bad

That is correct. The only thing that changes is that there will be no big Nintendo conference. Everything else remains the same.

[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]

undeniable proof that it is a bad decision

ChubbyGuy40

why is it a bad decision exactly? besides more media coverage

i believe they are going to show games still on the showfloor. it doesnt seem that bad

That is correct. The only thing that changes is that there will be no big Nintendo conference. Everything else remains the same.

so why is SW's making it seem like its the end of the world?

so why is SW's making it seem like its the end of the world?

Mario1331

Because their Sony and MS consoles have no games to occupy their free time. :P

Mostly because they don't read anything but the headline and don't bother to actually question it or read further. It doesn't help that TC put a crappy topic name, but most are overreacting because they think the conferences are everything. That is partially true, but they've been absolute sh!t for the past few years now. Personally, I thought they all were bad except for a few key moments like Watch Dogs's reveal and the E3 2011 3DS lineup.

Nintendo have been pushing their direct's for a while now, and I was half expecting them to pull a move like this some day. Maybe you're right in the way that they decided to do it this year because of the new console announcements will take the headlines for E3.

In the end, we're on our computers watching the news. The only difference is how the media experiences it. They'll still get their info one way or another, and we'll still be getting our information the same way we do every year; through some media outlet or a streamed video (whether it be E3 or a Direct). 

I can see how the media are being all up in the air about it, because it's an event for them (not so much the consumers) to experience. We just watch the video. We won't get to hear the roars or screams or applaudes of the crowd, but that's a petty thing to be concerned about (and to be honest, a lot of the news gets leaked beforehand in the last 4 or so years, preventing such reactions). trugs26

People just seem to think that once Nintendo shows the games, all will be well.  But the thing is, the Wii U feels dead in the water.  It has no feeling of excitement or enthusiasm behind it.  They NEED to have a spectacular showing to instill this sentiment.  They need to help it feel alive, and showing games with kiosks or behind doors to different audiences is simply not enough.  Nintendo needs a HUGE showing that will get people crying like they did at the reveal of Zelda: TP.

I've used this example before: you walk into a Chevy dealer to see a Corvette.  You see the Corvette revealed at a car show.  Which is going to get consumers more excited?  What Nintendo is doing is really indefensible.  To not put on a huge PC just for games is an awful decision no matter how you look at it.

It's not even like the casual audience watches e3. How do they get their gaming info? When they walk into a store and see a giant cardboard cutout, a game on the shelf, or a commercial on tv.

[QUOTE="trugs26"]Nintendo have been pushing their direct's for a while now, and I was half expecting them to pull a move like this some day. Maybe you're right in the way that they decided to do it this year because of the new console announcements will take the headlines for E3.

In the end, we're on our computers watching the news. The only difference is how the media experiences it. They'll still get their info one way or another, and we'll still be getting our information the same way we do every year; through some media outlet or a streamed video (whether it be E3 or a Direct). 

I can see how the media are being all up in the air about it, because it's an event for them (not so much the consumers) to experience. We just watch the video. We won't get to hear the roars or screams or applaudes of the crowd, but that's a petty thing to be concerned about (and to be honest, a lot of the news gets leaked beforehand in the last 4 or so years, preventing such reactions). MirkoS77

People just seem to think that once Nintendo shows the games, all will be well.  But the thing is, the Wii U feels dead in the water.  It has no feeling of excitement or enthusiasm behind it.  They NEED to have a spectacular showing to instill this sentiment.  They need to help it feel alive, and showing games with kiosks or behind doors to different audiences is simply not enough.  Nintendo needs a HUGE showing that will get people crying like they did at the reveal of Zelda: TP.

I've used this example before: you walk into a Chevy dealer to see a Corvette.  You see the Corvette revealed at a car show.  Which is going to get consumers more excited?  What Nintendo is doing is really indefensible.  To not put on a huge PC just for games is an awful decision no matter how you look at it.

im pretty sure nintendo knows what they are doing. they're just skipping the show conference and they are having two smaller conferences at the same time there conference would be showing.

its not that deep

Tom McShea is (surprisingly) defending this situation .nintendoboy16

[QUOTE="MirkoS77"]

[QUOTE="trugs26"]Nintendo have been pushing their direct's for a while now, and I was half expecting them to pull a move like this some day. Maybe you're right in the way that they decided to do it this year because of the new console announcements will take the headlines for E3.

In the end, we're on our computers watching the news. The only difference is how the media experiences it. They'll still get their info one way or another, and we'll still be getting our information the same way we do every year; through some media outlet or a streamed video (whether it be E3 or a Direct). 

I can see how the media are being all up in the air about it, because it's an event for them (not so much the consumers) to experience. We just watch the video. We won't get to hear the roars or screams or applaudes of the crowd, but that's a petty thing to be concerned about (and to be honest, a lot of the news gets leaked beforehand in the last 4 or so years, preventing such reactions). Mario1331

People just seem to think that once Nintendo shows the games, all will be well.  But the thing is, the Wii U feels dead in the water.  It has no feeling of excitement or enthusiasm behind it.  They NEED to have a spectacular showing to instill this sentiment.  They need to help it feel alive, and showing games with kiosks or behind doors to different audiences is simply not enough.  Nintendo needs a HUGE showing that will get people crying like they did at the reveal of Zelda: TP.

I've used this example before: you walk into a Chevy dealer to see a Corvette.  You see the Corvette revealed at a car show.  Which is going to get consumers more excited?  What Nintendo is doing is really indefensible.  To not put on a huge PC just for games is an awful decision no matter how you look at it.

im pretty sure nintendo knows what they are doing. they're just skipping the show conference and they are having two smaller conferences at the same time there conference would be showing.

its not that deep

This can't be real.O_o

[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

[QUOTE="MirkoS77"]But the thing is, this is NOT a petty thing to be concerned about.  It's the entire point.  People are just missing it, they don't get it.  They are underestimating the importance of marketing and presentation of their product.  Why do you think Apple has such success?  Many argue that competitors have better products, but Apple understands and has one strength that is nigh unbeatable: they know how to cater and market their products to their audience.  This is a massive reason as to why they are so successful when the competition arguably has better wares.  It is extremely important to the success of any product on the market to MARKET it correctly.  The importance of presentation and marketing of a product cannot overlooked or minimized.  It is very important.

People just seem to think that once Nintendo shows the games, all will be well.  But the thing is, the Wii U feels dead in the water.  It has no feeling of excitement or enthusiasm behind it.  They NEED to have a spectacular showing to instill this sentiment.  They need to help it feel alive, and showing games with kiosks or behind doors to different audiences is simply not enough.  Nintendo needs a HUGE showing that will get people crying like they did at the reveal of Zelda: TP.

I've used this example before: you walk into a Chevy dealer to see a Corvette.  You see the Corvette revealed at a car show.  Which is going to get consumers more excited?  What Nintendo is doing is really indefensible.  To not put on a huge PC just for games is an awful decision no matter how you look at it.

MirkoS77

im pretty sure nintendo knows what they are doing. they're just skipping the show conference and they are having two smaller conferences at the same time there conference would be showing.

its not that deep

i agree but business wise there pretty smart.

everything else idk about

Tom McShea is (surprisingly) defending this situation .nintendoboy16

undeniable proof that it is a bad decision

What was nintendo's official reason for skipping out? NEWMAHAY

Instead, at the E3 show this year, we are planning to host a few smaller events that are specifically focused on our software lineup for the U.S. market. There will be one closed event for American distributors, and we will hold another closed hands-on experience event, for mainly the Western gaming media. Also, I did not speak at last years presentation, and I am not planning to speak at these events at the E3 show this year either. Apart from these exclusive events for visitors, we are continuing to investigate ways to deliver information about our games directly to our home audience around the time of E3. We will share more information about them once they have officially been decided.

Nintendo is just avoiding another embarrassment. If they had games worth showing they would be there in full force.

Nintendo hasn't really taken E3 seriously since like 2007.LittleMac19

[QUOTE="trugs26"]Nintendo have been pushing their direct's for a while now, and I was half expecting them to pull a move like this some day. Maybe you're right in the way that they decided to do it this year because of the new console announcements will take the headlines for E3.

In the end, we're on our computers watching the news. The only difference is how the media experiences it. They'll still get their info one way or another, and we'll still be getting our information the same way we do every year; through some media outlet or a streamed video (whether it be E3 or a Direct). 

I can see how the media are being all up in the air about it, because it's an event for them (not so much the consumers) to experience. We just watch the video. We won't get to hear the roars or screams or applaudes of the crowd, but that's a petty thing to be concerned about (and to be honest, a lot of the news gets leaked beforehand in the last 4 or so years, preventing such reactions). MirkoS77

People just seem to think that once Nintendo shows the games, all will be well.  But the thing is, the Wii U feels dead in the water.  It has no feeling of excitement or enthusiasm behind it.  They NEED to have a spectacular showing to instill this sentiment.  They need to help it feel alive, and showing games with kiosks or behind doors to different audiences is simply not enough.  Nintendo needs a HUGE showing that will get people crying like they did at the reveal of Zelda: TP.

I've used this example before: you walk into a Chevy dealer to see a Corvette.  You see the Corvette revealed at a car show.  Which is going to get consumers more excited?  What Nintendo is doing is really indefensible.  To not put on a huge PC just for games is an awful decision no matter how you look at it.

If true, the WiiU is officially dead as a competitive console.

They needed E3 to turn around public perception if they wanted to compete against Sony & Microsoft this gen, 

but now I'm starting to question if they will even turn a profit on the WiiU.

The fanboys on this site are too funny. In another year when Wii you picks up steam with Mario Kart, and 3-D mario, It will look great next to my New Ps4 and 720. It must be sad to not be able to just enjoy the games for most of you lol.

[QUOTE="dobzilian"]Is E3 really that big of show these days? No offense to the average Geek but to the average Joe, E3 probably doesn't exist and why on Earth would you put all your eggs in one basket? E3 is out of date by the way its presented in this day and age of internet media. If i remember right doesn't MS turn up for the TGS, if so whats different between not turning up altogether and turning up ? More presentations like Nintendo Direct please. Saying that ND has been lousy for WiiU but not 3DS. Yes Bayonetta 2 and W101 was kinda cool but not information on both said titles One which should of been released by now aswell.Zaibach

[QUOTE="trugs26"]

As a gamer, I watch the video for the game (or hardware) announcements. The applauding is short-term excitement, and in the end I still get excited for the actual announcement itself - and I'd imagine most gamers feel the same way, as well as the car fans in your example. Furthermore, Nintendo Direct's don't waste time with things like Zombie Reggie, crap acting, and Kanye West.

Your second paragraph could be applied to the 3DS too in its first year. How did they manage to turn it around? It definitely wasn't their E3 showing, it was their series of Nintendo Direct's (as well as their E3 showing of games), and the constant stream of software, and the information of upcoming software.

The only one really missing out is the media and their exclusivity to see an event first hand. Now we all see it as equals in the same manner. 

Nintendo are a billion dollar company, I'd leave the marketing to them. As a gamer, it's not something I'm concerned about. Getting a direct feed of the announcement allow Nitnendo to deliver their announcements more effectively - something more meaningful to the consumers. 

As an example, the Nintendo Direct's this year have been quite exciting, and in fact their Wii U one got me more excited than the past 2 years of E3's. It's the games that do it for me, the cheers are only a small extra that has no real meaning and it's a petty thing to be concerned about.
 

Desmonic

That would have been the massive price drop (started selling like crazy soon after) and the fact people knew the software was coming (which at the time was still known by the E3/TGS showings),plus the fact that the handheld marked was always owned by Nintendo helped a whole damn lot. Nintendo Directs have helped, obviously, but they were not the cause of the turnaround by any possible measure.. 

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Either way, what you and some other people are not getting about this is the following: Gamers would know about Nintendo's showing one way or the other. The Gaming Press would know about it one way or the other. Casuals, will not. And in case you're dismissing casuals the reason they are important is that they represent easily 60 to 70% of the total install base of any of the big 3 companies (be it on home consoles or handhelds). Sure we, as gamers dislike that the companies focus on them, and dislike the simplification of several games/franchises to cater to them, but that's besides the point.

The issue here is that the Non-Gaming Press (you know the one that non-gamers do read on a daily basis) will give 0 f*cks about Nintendo's Direct at E3. Essentially  when E3 comes, the Non-Gaming Press only reports about the big, flashy press conferences and what's announced on them (they really don't care much for what's announced and/or detailed off these press conferences). Sure, we gamers will know. However, we gamers have known about the WiiU since day 1. And it's still selling like crap isn't it? Nintendo really needs to show it to other audiences (read: the casual crowd)and make sure they get it's a new piece of hardware (and not some sort of add-on for the Wii). Sort of like what they did with the Wii. When Nintendo showed the Wii at E3 it was all the craze on Non-Gaming Press because it was cheap, fun and simple. They (the Non-Gaming Press) showed it as so and basically "sold" it to the casual crowd as so. It helped Nintendo immensely  with the hardware sales. Which is what they need right now for the WiiU (we all know the software will be there sooner or later).

The variables aren't the same obviously, however I don't think Nintendo is in a position where they can't simply dismiss the Non-Gaming Press, the hype and the casual crowd it brings. Least for the WiiU they can't. 

Point being: Gamers and Gaming press will still get all the juicy details as always, the non-gaming crowd and Non-Gaming Press likely won't (due to the reasons explained above). And that's what Nintendo is (apparently) dismissing and that's the (only) real issue about it.

[QUOTE="Zaibach"][QUOTE="dobzilian"]Is E3 really that big of show these days? No offense to the average Geek but to the average Joe, E3 probably doesn't exist and why on Earth would you put all your eggs in one basket? E3 is out of date by the way its presented in this day and age of internet media. If i remember right doesn't MS turn up for the TGS, if so whats different between not turning up altogether and turning up ? More presentations like Nintendo Direct please. Saying that ND has been lousy for WiiU but not 3DS. Yes Bayonetta 2 and W101 was kinda cool but not information on both said titles One which should of been released by now aswell.dobzilian

it matters to the industry, that is all that matters, all the flash and PR and show is a signal of the strenth of the industry

E3 remains the biggest show event for the games industry which is bigger than Film, but I guess the oscars, baftas and the such dont matter?

Gaming is bigger than the music industry but I guess Grammys and MTV music events etc dont matter?

E3 is where the majority of the industry comes to show off its wares to everybody, gamers, the press, shareholders, publishers, etc

enough with the mental gymnastics and lets all call a spade what it is,

a spade.

You want to know why the wiiU is failing is failing, the lack of 3rd party support, now tell me what this says by essentially segregating themselves. ND works great for 3ds, but if you want more people to go out and get wiius, youre doing it wrong.

[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

so why is SW's making it seem like its the end of the world?

Because their Sony and MS consoles have no games to occupy their free time. :P

Mostly because they don't read anything but the headline and don't bother to actually question it or read further. It doesn't help that TC put a crappy topic name, but most are overreacting because they think the conferences are everything. That is partially true, but they've been absolute sh!t for the past few years now. Personally, I thought they all were bad except for a few key moments like Watch Dogs's reveal and the E3 2011 3DS lineup.

[QUOTE="killzowned24"]

Game over sheep :lol:

They ducking the competition and don't want to hang in shame while everyone drools over PS4 :P

super600

No one knows if the mass market will love the PS4 ao keep the hype to your selfs.

.sammyjenkis898

:|:lol:

Nintendo is doing an excellent job killing of the Wii U :)

Its not the fact they are not going to have a E3 conference this year, its the fact that they decided to do that THIS year. They're basically telling Sony and MS to take all of the attention. Nonstop-Madness

[QUOTE="Nonstop-Madness"]Its not the fact they are not going to have a E3 conference this year, its the fact that they decided to do that THIS year. They're basically telling Sony and MS to take all of the attention. BadNewsBen

Oh well, hopefully Sony and Microsoft have a pair of mega-shows.

[QUOTE="BadNewsBen"][QUOTE="Nonstop-Madness"]Its not the fact they are not going to have a E3 conference this year, its the fact that they decided to do that THIS year. They're basically telling Sony and MS to take all of the attention. nintendoboy16

Oh well, hopefully Sony and Microsoft have a pair of mega-shows.